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espresso and stay with us a little bit. our participation in the marathon with andriy serhiychuk is coming to an end. we are waiting for you on our website today. of course, it all begins. we are here with you until sunday. we plan to be in to a faraway place every morning let's say so from five out of five five of the fifth i explain five yes yes from 7 to 12 and well, on saturday we have a slightly different schedule on sunday you know that we also we go out for lunch. well, i hope you and i will have a productive week. there are many of us what will we be able to do and uh, let's get a little closer to the victory of ukraine, which we don't doubt, well, what, hmm, a little appearance of the people 's elected officials, uh, here beautiful from russia, margarita
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simonyan, cried, says trouble, trouble, let's go back to the 90s, there will be no mobile phones and cameras because if there are another sanctions, then all these buns, uh, fake fluff they brag about, everything will fall away. well, i don't know if it's really so. well, of course, a disk phone won't work because it spoils the manicure. simply yes, russia returns in principle in the 41st hour, as they say there, so it’s 1900, so there are still those fashionable quilts, kirzaks and all that for everyone without exception. oleksiy goncharenko and oleg duda, they will be joining us soon. you know, i'm talking irony
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, but i really think that ukraine is primarily a parliamentary republic, and that's a shame. the traditional level of trust in the parliament is always so low deputies, sometimes the deputies corps are very attached to the fact that it should be like that well, but on the other hand, look, the problem is always in the parliament, because it somehow does not have its own clear voice, even the rada tv channel well, it seems that there is a whole rada tv channel and it is constantly traveling only for e-e for the office of the president, well, in a word, the problem is listen now, we will wait to join us oleksiy goncharenko already good good on the issues of the organization of state power, local self-government, regional development there, urban planning p olezhe, we congratulate you, i congratulate you good morning, we are not asking you, let's all
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the religious people not to speak, just people's deputy and it's easier for you . sent respectfully ukrainian truth, well, we have no reason not to trust them, iryna balanchuk writes a novel about it, kravets shum, it seems that the minister of the chamber of energy herman halushchynko, the minister of sports vadim gutsaid as well as the minister of strategic industries, pavlo ryabikin, and possibly even the minister of education, skarlet p olegovych , something is being discussed about this, in particular, in your faction, such stories are not going to be called rumors, well, look at the first three surnames, galushchenko, hutsul ryabikin, this is not a new story this was a question on the
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agenda 2-3 weeks ago that it is possible and back in december it was discussed that these persons are the first to leave the cabinet based on the results of their work but based on how events are happening now. i won't even be surprised if, well, it will be normal for me if some more people will join us, for example, tkachenko and others . the problem is related to the fact that during the war we need to make decisions very quickly, well, we can't very quickly, we don't have the opportunity, we don't have the time, we don't have enough resources to give someone a second, third chance if the person has sinned we must accept an immediate decision not to put it on the ears. for example, there is such a character as kyrylo
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tymoshenko, who had to be fired. in that year, somewhere at the beginning of december, and that and that one even earlier, unfortunately, we delayed this dismissal and made it to the time when it exploded like a bomb moreover, when we do not release people who are toxic not only for the state, but also for society and for our western partners, it gives such a signal in this bureaucratic apparatus that it turns out that it is possible and accordingly they act in this way or not what they want to do, and this is a responsibility , including ours and the office of the president. the sooner we make such drastic decisions, the sooner we clean up the elite, the sooner we clean the entire government and the more useful it will be for the benefit of the state. i like them opinion, the only thing i want to say , but kyrylo tymoshenko, is his quoter the verkhovna rada, how can it influence, in principle, the parliament can influence his release, for example, and i am inclined
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to the opinion that the parliament as a political body can everything, including influencing those personnel decisions that do not directly concern the verkhovna rada, because the verkhovna rada and the same deputies can make demands on any bodies that if you do not implement this decision and it is an urgent necessity, society, i apologize you will fly to another place, that's why the verkhovna rada once again joins in. the verkhovna rada can do everything, and it depends on your personality, who are ready to ask these political questions. you are interested in the history of ukraine or leads, when you capture the previous one, there are also some of our conversations in the previous speakers, if it concerns history and the history of ukraine, uh, and how do you like this last story regarding the history of ukraine as a subject, about what mr. shkrerlet said that
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there will be no multi-subject test as a compulsory subject, the history of ukraine will be compulsory, and the ukrainian language and mathematics will be compulsory, and the rest is optional. now we have a full-scale invasion, including russia, or the first thing is fighting to erase from history the mention of the fact that is ukraine and and who are ukrainians and is it actually time to delete the history of ukraine? well, i don't know about this statement of the schoolboy, i heard from you , it passed me by, but i know one thing that a person who does not know his past cannot have any future therefore, the history of ukraine should be one of the main subjects of the modern education of ukrainians. moreover, we are actually building the newest modern political nation with you, and we are building a state practically from scratch. states that did not have 300
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or so for many centuries did not have their statehood, many of their own sovereignty and so on the history of ukraine is more than urgent to study and should be mandatory both for tests for exams and for studying. well, something is possible with such a minister, who somehow looks like some small diversion during the war, deleting history from mandatory subjects. i think in in this case, a big question arises. is he suitable for the position that he holds? we are also joined by oleksiy goncharenko, people's deputy of ukraine, vice president of the committee on migration and refugees, oleksiy, good for you. of the day i congratulate you, we have already started talking in principle about the fact that there are many problems and questions that accumulate before the government, this is one of them . in my opinion, let's
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talk about everything. of our money in the mirror of the week, which in particular is to blame for the fact that food products for the armed forces of ukraine were bought at inflated prices, as an example, and this, for example, is a piece for uah 17, and it became and also all these purchases were carried out through some company, which, well, absolutely no one knows about the basic background of 1,000 hryvnias, which ordered, if i am not mistaken, 13 billion budget funds, in fact, the reaction of the ministry of defense to such purchases was the next accused of lying, without demonstrating why so and with in fact, the security services of ukraine advised me to become an investigative journalist. is this the right reaction in your opinion? and what is actually happening, since this is definitely the government's business, everything that concerns the government of this
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responsibility and the parliament, since the government this is exactly what the parliament appoints, mr. oleksiy, let's start with you. i congratulate you, i congratulate the observers. this is an absolutely shameful reaction on the part of the officials of the ministry of defense, you know. well, for buying eggs for 18 uah per piece, and for such a reaction, something should be taken away, maybe they are somewhere around 17 uah they don't buy absolutely well, it's unacceptable, hmm, and frankly speaking, i was shocked not only by the ministry of defense, but also by the representatives of his people, mr. kasai, who also said what this means, first of all, you need to investigate where did you get these contracts from, that is, instead of investigating whether billions of hryvnias are stolen and if they are stolen during the war from the ministry of defense on food for servicemen because of the russians , i don't know what could be more shameful. but instead they say no, no, let
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's investigate, but how did the journalists and ukrainian society find out about this, an absolutely shameful reaction i will tell you that, unfortunately, i am afraid that we are on the threshold of not the first and not the last such scandal, all the same as the ukrainian government closed down today when the verkhovna rada is not broadcast. there has been no government for a year, that is, from the moment of the full-scale invasion of such a tool, which used to be a tool of democratic control, the government added questions . the national marathon appeared. this is our money. i don't think that the national marathon told the story about eggs for 17 hryvnias, which means that there are fewer and fewer instruments of influence and control, and it's not the opposition that's needed, it's actually needed in the first place to the government itself, this is the immune system of the government,
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journalists, investigators, because it allows you to identify problems and quickly solve them, and to allow them to go to what we are seeing now, when performing the duties of a minister, they are arrested for a bribe of uah 400,000 on generators, only the country does not have electricity. well i honestly don't have words and i can still say what else makes me very sad. well, i'm not talking about how the whole country there, children bring their piggy banks to help the armed forces of ukraine. there now collected again there are funds for what is a volunteer and not a question. what can you help? we will answer, maybe in the ministry of defense. investigations and resignations, this is the only normal reaction.
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at least for the duration of the investigation, at least suspension, which we want them to see , by the way, about the marathon, the only news. i don’t know. have you seen the children’s book? we can show the photos to our viewers and elected officials there is a poem that is actually above the image of the tv on which is written the only news together we are strong and the poem is fake fake news she has no faith they will tell the truth without lies the only news well, i don't know what to comment on it it seems to me that you know, ostap suffered once again er, with all the difficult situations and the war and there is a need for a unified information policy in the state, but when all this simply passed into the same hands and these are one and the same hands buy eggs, generators manage the only news, make decisions, appoint
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officials, then it ends very badly, because i actually, if allowed . it definitely adds such a feeling to all those trumpists who will tomorrow already curse and point to these examples in the us congress and that is, whether a good reaction would be, for example, to dismiss the entire government and quickly replace it since andrii magera asked a question and he says that with a monomajority in general it is possible to adopt a new government in an hour and it would actually be a perfect reaction to the challenges that have arisen. what is your opinion about such an idea? well, i am very surprised to hear that our experienced constitutionalists, they are supporters of simple
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solutions, simple and hasty, as a rule, simple and transparent solutions, they do not lead to a good result, in this case it is possible here, but we can somewhat agree with oleksiy that, first of all, the investigation and here should be our law enforcement agencies show what they are capable of, why they can eventually work and effectively, that is, according to the results of this investigation, there should be a punishment, they should prove whether such a contract was real, or whether the conditions that our mass media said about, if they were and were proven , were in reality and still quickly, these people should be punished under conditional, let's say, under the conditions of wartime, by the way, and it has long been necessary to make a decision that corruption during a low time during a war should be equated to treason well, the question is not that the time has come for them so that everyone understood the bureaucrats, officials, people's deputies their responsibility if
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it is proven that this did not happen and that this is the influence of our enemy and such a thing is also possible, there is no need to reject it accordingly there should also be punishment for those people who were used during this special operation , that is, according to the results of the investigation, they should be punished, not like we had an investigation for 30 years, there was no one punished, that is, everything dissolved and this the law enforcement agencies must provide in the near future and only after it is determined what really happened and what actually should have been decided by the government , including that it is necessary to understand that the investigation will not prove on the facts, including that we as a western partner we will not appease the trumpists, because they are playing this agenda and their political situation in the same way, and we went there. we did not
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make any simple decisions. we will not appease them. they work for themselves, we can only do it with documents in our hands with evidence that we are working on other options that cannot be so successful, we will lose from ourselves. i don't know what to allow. it seems to me that the reaction is more important here than the fact of corruption itself, because it would certainly be naive to believe that people with various such bad backgrounds who one way or another, there are now in various positions where there is a huge temptation, because there is a lower level of transparency, a higher level of concentration of decisions and reaction, it is important there, please, i will explain, look, oh, oh, oleksia, i apologize after me, if possible. in short, if we will now make a decision and play the potala trampist and then we will find out about it that it was an information game information aggression on the part of the enemy who should we do better we will do worse to ourselves well that is, not to conduct an investigation, we
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actually recognize ourselves to the guilty and we provide an opportunity trumpists trumpists to play it back to washington and beat the lords, well, it is necessary, it should be crazy to do this, oleksiy, look at me, we have such a discussion, we still need to manage the government, and there is a feeling that we already wanted to be removed altogether, so the problem the fact that no one has been suspended is not that the government has not been fired. not a single person has been suspended either by the minister of defense or any of his deputies, but in the investigation of the dnipropetrovsk regional administration , pnichenko, how many billions of hryvnias are there for road repairs, a fitness trainer with whom he is together goes abroad and well, there, regularly say this, how do you do it at all and what and what was the decision after that, what was the reaction after that, it was none, well, absolutely nothing happens, and precisely because there is no reaction in us the second, third, and fifth cases appear. we
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say trembists, and here trembists are the main issue - they are the citizens of ukraine. it will be a disaster if the citizens of ukraine lose confidence in the government in such and such a situation that exists today. it is against it , even worse than the trumpists, so friends, let's go even if there is some kind of reaction, suspend someone. we just have a kind of wailing journalistic investigation and silence and silence before it. i understand the hope for only one thing that no one will hear it in the only news because they wrote it in a book and everything can't be like that and i i don't say no, i'm absolutely fine, the practice of suspending a person is absolutely normal, that is, there is some news, well , please show these things, here are the tenders, here is the company that received, also, some kind of gasket, also with a delivery fund of several thousand hryvnias, oh, she received billions, oh, the owner of the company is directly related to the main administration what kind of money did he provide, what else is needed in order to remove this person and what will happen in the country that the sky will fall on the earth if he turns out and everything is fine, i don't understand how it
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can turn out well, but if they prove that it is everything is wrong, the company is wrong, the woman is wrong, everything is wrong , then ok, in a month or two, the person will return to his position, what will happen from this, a small comment, er, it is very er, very good that oleksiy mentioned the dnipro, i will remind you according to the plan rosnyshchenko will open a criminal case based on these facts of embezzlement of funds for the road, by the way, a criminal case was opened based on my statement as soon as it was published in the press and it seemed to be at the end of november, the beginning of december, and it just fits into the story with creon tymoshenko, and accordingly here it is completely possible to behave in this case as it is quite open it is quite public it is transparent there is a criminal case in nabu and it was necessary to make a decision not only about riznychenko well and they covered tymoshenko and it gave a signal to all
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geographical systems that there is no old time, you need to work for the state and no one no one will be covered, we lost quite a lot of time and here one cannot help but deal with it, but once again, everything was transparent there, all the documents were present according to the ministry of defense. unfortunately or fortunately, there is no such thing, because it is closed on today's structure, moreover, we are in a state of war and these issues must be approached very delicately and very carefully. moreover, we must understand why only well, i just wanted to say that we really do not want us to cover up war with works. well, we do not cover up, sir. so, for now, watch everyone should be punished, everyone should be punished under the conditions of wartime, once again, corruption in wartime is high treason and should be classified as such by everyone, and we should adopt the appropriate bill that equates corruption to high treason. whispering, but we
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must understand another e-e system about the fact that the enemy will use information propaganda, information leaks in order to make us quarrel with our partner, and here we need our question to our law enforcement agencies and to the state to distinguish and find what really happened from the fact that we qualified and we will work professionally on this matter, it depends not that the future is conditionally there kyrylo riznychenko reznikova to sneeze at them today they are not there tomorrow someone will be behind bars someone will be a follower of the state there is no significance for the state is a matter of the state, and we should approach these issues from the point of view of how useful and necessary and correct it will be for the state , and then everything else. they said that they are collecting signatures or something to
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imprison him in the meantime. the rada tv channel called him the face of the year and even filmed some stories about it. this team that is now in power is people who know how to communicate. very good, but as we saw even with the example of oleksiy arrestovych, who made a terrible mistake by calling what happened in the dnipro that it was said that a rocket hit because a ukrainian rocket shot down a russian rocket and that is why he kissed the house and then the public was disturbed by journalists also, but of course, i would like some kind of communication from the government. you are also the government, you are closer to those people and actually could do something as elected representatives of the people. again, the communication of the explanation of what is happening, because according to oleksiy orestovych, again,
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he wrote, then, under the pressure of the communities , he first wrote one post, then deleted it, then i will say that everyone did not understand it so correctly, and he is d'artagnan, and then he wrote in the end the rest of the application to be dismissed from the position of adviser in brackets of a freelance but again, there was no communication from the authorities . after all, you are meeting in the parliament and you are still discussing some issues, some agenda, according to which we all live , first of all, look at the collection of signatures, this is a collection of signatures to consider in order to consider all the families of the question hall on the deputies of the prohibition parties in including people's deputies , this is mr. oleksiy's resolution and the government
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draft law. 153 signatures have been collected today and we are submitting it to stopynchuk for consideration. the economic state power of ukraine, this is the first time regarding kyrylo tymoshenko, this question was raised and i can assure you that this question will be resolved in the near future, and in relation to this character there is only the question and in what status does he receive suspicion, is he a public figure in his position or a private person? i think he receives suspicion as a private person, but in another way, i think that we will also search and follow and show the position by frame, i will tell you that in the near future and this was hinted at yesterday the president, in the near future, personnel policy will be changed, er, conclusions will be drawn, many characters of personnel who did not understand
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that they are in a state of war, and moreover, in any state, it is impossible to steal from the budget, especially during martial law, they will lose their positions, receive the appropriate documents and will be regular guests to the relevant institutions, nabu dbru, etc. and this applies not only to ministers, this applies to people's deputies, this also applies to governors, including reznichenko, for whom a criminal case is already open and he is there, i think he will receive the same suspicion, there will be a lot of interesting things. and we came from the side, i think that if oleksiy there, i will offer to join in some pressure on personnel characters. i think that he will always join and work together, see the last one i will ask, briefly, here is arahamiya, david arkhamiya, who announced and will be here very soon, i just want what i want the lord to say about arahamiya. i
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understand that he is the head of the faction, he cannot be a people's deputy, a person who the victory is negotiating with the robbing turtles and okay. you can also like his viennese witnesses, but there are still moments. well , oleksiy's opinion is also interesting, in fact, honcharenko , okay, it was just announced by the head of the faction. but how can he announce in principle, how can he announce landings, no, but how can he slip some landings, the head of the faction of the people's deputy , that is, he himself will arrest someone or report to him, the prosecutor general, for example, but he does not tell anyone about himself, he said, i don't know, it's like that well, i just understand the function of parliamentary control a little differently. to be honest, i don't quite understand. these are the statements of the head of the faction, yours, your opinion, yes, it really
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looks a little strange. the faction said that he proposes that the members of his faction be paid in eggs at 17 uah per piece. i think it would be more appropriate and understandable. then some kind of reaction. well, but in general, i want to say once again. and the scandal surrounding the billions of hryvnias for the construction of roads, complete silence from the office of the president. well, this topic does not exist, they just said something, went on, yes, there was some kind of investigation. let them conduct an investigation, aristovych, who is the adviser to the office of the president, well, he has been introducing himself for a long time, he said something still later he said more how did you tell all this this story complete silence he wrote a statement only we were told well they accepted everything that it was probably a ufo why how and so on well complete silence now the ministry of defense then the ministry of defense generally says because there will be journalists
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to persecute those who spoke about it, the deputy from the servant of the people says the same thing, it is correct, we will persecute journalists again, it is full that from the office of the president, well, that is, we have the office of the president, if you look there, mr yermak, for example, he is the head of all the commissions in the world, president zelenskyi oleksiyovych said that there will be something, he thanked the journalists, the investigators, do you think this is a good sign, so to end our conversation on a positive note, these are very correct words of the president yesterday in his address, but let's call a spade a spade, these were general words about something general, you and i are talking about specific things, specific things, and all the officials are controlled by the president's office, we want the returnee of our adviser to the ministers, and so on, we want to hear some comments from them about specific cases, and it is not necessary to transfer everything to one person, the president and what do they all do there when they need to meet someone or something else, you and the president are in the first place and when
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