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sponsor and become part of the community with a ukrainian perspective. congratulations, this is freedom. lime . my name is vlad and lazur. the scandal in the ministry of defense with the purchase of food products does not subside. minister oleksii reznikov explained where the price came from. for eggs, uah 17 per piece, but how convincing is his explanation ? estonia gives ukraine all its howitzers as part of a record aid package, and poland will hand over leopard tanks to ukraine even if germany opposes it, said the polish prime minister . and was it possible? well, the servant from the pechersk hills, journalists have so far shown the undeclared estate of the servant of the people, pavlo halimon, in the most expensive district of the capital , halimon, an ordinary deputy, he was a representative of zelensky in the presidential elections. the deputy head of the faction in the parliament and was the head of the servant of the people branch in chernihiv oblast, where did the money come from and why did the servant of the people

not pay attention to the considerable enrichment of their colleagues about this in svoboda life, the minister of defense of ukraine oleksiy reznikov denies the information about the purchase of products for the ukrainian military at inflated prices, he calls such reports an attempt to undermine trust in the ministry of defense, according to reznikov , the ministry of defense did not buy and does not plan to buy eggs at uah 17 per piece, and his ministry says reznikov is ready to report on all issues and is ready to create a temporary investigative commission of the verkhovna rada regarding the procurement process, the minister linked the appearance of this information about the actual procurement to ramstein and stated that the person responsible for leaking information will be punished at the end of december 2022. the ministry of defense concluded contracts for the provision of food services with suppliers based on the

results of the conclusion of the contracts. errors in other contracts, after which the head of the unit was suspended, the person who handed over one of the contracts and the annexes for publication at least committed an official the crime of this person will be established and prosecuted for this , appropriate materials have been prepared in the sbu, in particular, the motive will be clarified. on saturday, a publication appeared in the mirror of the week that the ministry of defense of ukraine allegedly buys food products for the military at significantly inflated prices author research journalists project founder our money yuriy nikolov referred to the agreement concluded by the ministry for a total amount of more than uah 13 billion , a copy of which he received at his disposal those not included in the agreement were several times higher than in retail stores in kyiv, for example, as i already said, eggs cost uah 17 per piece, while

in stores you can buy an egg for uah 7 ; the ministry of defense ordered potatoes for uah 22 per kilogram, while the price in retail stores is 8 - 9 hryvnias, how is it going with the public, and this contract was signed by the ministry of defense for 100 assets of the company, this firm allegedly has a charter capital of 1,000 uah and was previously involved in criminal proceedings for forgery of acts in the company assets of the company , actually, as in the ministry of defense, it is stated in the change the information is called a manipulative process , in particular, it is said in the comments of the director of this company at the request of the nv publication, the company claims that it does not sell eggs for uah 17 per piece, but they did not explain there. and why then exactly such a price is indicated in the product catalog that was published by journalists, the company also refutes the accusations on their address is that it is a lay-up, they say that they officially employ 187 employees, information is given that the company's assets are allegedly a lay-up llc, it is located at the mass registration address, it has authorized capital in in the amount of only a thousand hryvnias, sells

products at inflated prices, the specified information is unreliable, sent to discredit llc aktiv kompany and the ministry of defense . well, this is the information, as of now, radio svoboda has sent a request to the ministry of defense with a request to comment on the circumstances of this whole story. well, we will wait for an answer for now . in the meantime, the founder of the project, our money, yuriy nikolov, joins our broadcast. good evening. good evening, mr. nikolov . have you heard the statement of the minister? have you heard the statement of this company that supplies or was going to supply products for the ministry of defense , maybe you made a mistake somewhere when all these contacts were processed there, maybe the ministry did not make a mistake and did not purchase, did not intend to purchase products in 2-3 times , or what do you say now, i will say what i said before this contract was concluded at absolutely insane prices, well, incredible prices, and what's more, this happened precisely in the

new contract, we already have contracts under which it worked with the same firm of the ministry of defense in december december contract and january yes, it's very easy to compare, so the price of eggs in december was uah 9 for one egg, but from january 1 it was uah 17. what has changed besides the fact that someone switched and wrote a new number exactly with chicken thighs, until january 1, they were uah 85, and from january 1, they were uah 120, well, this is an absolutely insane price, that is, in the previous contract , there were plus or minus morning prices, which do not cause any terrible questions , but here the ministry of defense has questions. now it only tells us what we are we are ready. we are there. just show us the payments, which will already have a specific price for which the fact of delivery has been received since january 1. unfortunately, now

the ministry of defense. er, the specials for us will be held there somewhere with a normal price. not now, unfortunately. excuse me. trust has been undermined precisely by the manipulations that the ministry allowed itself . the release of the material a week before it was released, we asked them exactly the explanation of all these stories of the ministry of defense then did not want to explain and only when the story came out on the air they began to feverishly fantasize about how someone could explain this eggs in pieces by the dozen kilograms, i don't want the listeners to get confused with us now, but i'll just say the simple fact that the minister of defense for some reason did not explain potatoes for 22 hryvnias, every person who lives in ukraine at any point in ukraine understands that such prices are extremely fantastic for potatoes

there is no, or unless our soldiers bring potatoes from israel to customs and in pixel excuse me, he is speaking from the netherland, that is, i want to see it for myself p. nikolov, and here is the explanation of mr. reznikov that there could have been a technical error with the eggs, they calculated something there, not pieces, but kilograms, i'm already confused, but i understood that it's a technical error, well, the same. it can be. no, it can't be. it can't be. it's a technical error . they have a contract of 2-2.5 times more expensive, but the potatoes were immediately written in kilograms and they couldn’t do it . this is the explanation of what to put on the potatoes. and that’s why they just technically kept quiet about it, that’s why the ministry of defense must now make public what the new prices in the contracts are, what they say there, something has been corrected. show

the ministry of defense also promises that they will contact the security service of ukraine and they will ask you to do some kind of investigation when the security service employees are at the door, that is, i have not received anything from the security forces so far. no aley, i absolutely understand that the car has already been started, the car is already moving, and since mr. reznikov wants the law enforcement officers to deal with exactly what it is, and why in his contract, the potatoes are so rowdy, and he wants to deal with the one who leaked the that's why you absolutely understood that this modus. unfortunately, it will be exactly what the russians do in their country with investigators. it's with them when an investigator exposes crooks, they open cases against the investigators themselves and not against those who steal . well, mr. reznikov, unfortunately someone else's modus has chosen behavior in this story, although it can become a huge success story for all of ukraine, right now

we can demonstrate to the whole world, mr. biden, mr. macron, the germans, the french, the italians, the americans, everyone, that this story is not about corruption and all the sounds in ukraine . and what is this ? a story about anti-corruption about the fight against corruption the authorities can just now liquidate the scheme with their own hands, eliminate all hints that this scheme can be repeated ah and stop this mess in terms of gigantic sums for ukraine let it be the issue of contracts. they are all closed. that is, you received them from a source who wished to remain anonymous, what was his motivation, and are you sure about this source that you were given valid contracts , definitely yes. to sausages he didn't say that there were any such prices, he began to explain about a technical error, well, reznikov has now physically confirmed the

validity of this, the authenticity of the contract is not disputed that i did not have such a contract well, you understand, that is, it is created that only one of the positions i wrote about is disputed that there was a mistake somewhere and ignore the numbers. do you think mr. reznikov somehow knew about what was happening in procurement in the ministry, which he heads, absolutely very well according to my information within the ministry of defense itself, he was informed more than once about this, as well as information about purchases, more precisely , about the trouble with procurement, because it is in the hands of law enforcement agencies, and i will note from today that i have officially informed that it is also publication of a dish in the mirror of the week , it has already opened a case about the procurement of the ministry of defense specifically for food for 13 billion hryvnias, today this message is that he is getting rich at the expense of this, it is very important for

this contract and it was such a story for me personally under this contract, no one has yet stolen a single penny, since payments under it are provided for there with a one-month delay, so if on january 1, er, potatoes for uah 22 went to the military unit, then payment for them will be on february 1, well, now it is still january, let's say yes, not a single penny was stolen, why did we publicize this situation? we waited until we passed stein in order not to affect the supply of weapons to ukraine in any way, and after that we publicized it in order to have time by february to prevent the theft of money, in fact, our goal is not to be there you already know, if it's so simple , then reznikov was punished for corruption there, no, our goal is now we need money to buy weapons, our goal is to save this money, i really hope that well, we will

achieve this goal and the prices in the contracts will be changed and the payment of incredible, simply insane prices will not happen, we will also follow this story, thank you very much , the founder of the project, our money, yuriy nikolov was on radio svoboda well, and on the tliskandal and possible corruption in the purchase of products for the ministry of defense appeared in the public space, well, quite logical questions why can't procurement be made open and transparent, as it was before the full-scale russian invasion, now let's talk about this, the head of the state customs service of ukraine joins the air the 19-20s and you can say the ideologist of the system transparently maksym nefyodov good evening good evening yes, i already call myself clearly not father transparently but grandfather transparently considering the color of my beard well, well grandfather transparently yes grandfather transparently okay look some people say that this information should be made public about the fact that there are some problems with purchases, this is playing along with the enemy, while

others are saying for a minute. and should we be silent about the abuse, what do you say that this story has surfaced, is this a plus sign or a minus sign at this time, look, i think that this first of all, an opportunity is neither a plus nor a minus in itself, because any system is not characterized by a mistake, we all make mistakes, we are all human beings, and i, too, made mistakes and make mistakes, and the system is characterized by the reaction to it. actually , the problems in food procurement in the army did not start yesterday they did not start under this president and not under the past president and maybe not even under the past president, this is a systemic problem that requires a solution that begins long before the actual tender process, because with the system of food organization that exists now, even if the tender will be personally organized by the pope and mary, and i don't know mother

teresa, the results will still be very doubtful. they are comparable in size with large retailers of ukraine. no one knows about them. and they supply these foods to the army, having some kind of unique expertise, unique knowledge, unique abilities, why on this contract? hmmm, purchases do not go to silpo atb epicenter metro aushan any of the large retainers of ukraine and actually what is the name of this company aktiv kompany ot really unknown, there are no such stores of aktiv kompany in ukraine, so uh, once again i say these problems, they exist, well, how at least 15 years old, they are, if this problem with nutrition existed in different forms, at first,

for example, during yanukovych’s time, kitchens in the army were rented in denmark by someone not quite known there, or maybe someone known . let’s say that to the companies, and they were monopolists in the organization of food there. then there was a short period of volunteer landings when activists tried from the middle of the ministry of defense to reform these purchases to transfer them to the supply of products separately and the preparation and cooking of food separately, and actually the results were quite good for the first time for tenders in the ministry of defense companies such as metro cash & carry's came out and the holding of these open tenders was broadcast on screens in the ministry of defense in the president's office and we were all proud of it, but it was not for long and now we are back to purchasing according to the so-called catalog and here the

question is again, i am not blaming anyone, i am not in the position. is she ivanova petrova or sidorova, but when we are the contract under which 400 types of products are purchased at the same time, which are not no one in the world can deliver because no one simultaneously produces pasta, fish, meat, canned goods, bread, etc. , when, what exactly will be purchased, no one knows at what prices, no one knows when the payment will be made, no one knows in there is such a phrase in the contract, there is a legendary phrase in the presence of budget funding, whether they will be unknown, then in such conditions it is clear that any major player will not go for such a purchase, only a specific company that has some kind of relationship with officials and can guarantee what will happen will go for such a purchase what will happen, it seems to me that the main efforts should be directed here and should also be

directed to ensure that these purchases return to the normal tender process, because now i honestly don't even really understand what is being checked there the state auditor service, because the ministry of defense under the current legislation can conclude this tender at all well, without a tender, buy it from anyone at all, again from ivanovo petrova sydorova at the price also 17 uah for her, it is at least seven, at least 170 uah it seems absolutely unfortunately, it corresponds to the current legislation and therefore, it is clear that it should be returned to normal tenders if the security service of ukraine and relevant bodies see risks in the disclosure of some information. well, okay, risks, well, they are real. it hurts if someone there reads some chicken what kind of beets do the ukrainian military eat, look, as usual, during the war, we all want to blow hot and protect our military as much as possible. but it seems to me that 99.9% of the information about this purchase can be

opened. okay, if there is one or two very secret information, i don't know about the number of portions or about any places where these portions are diluted and so on. ok close this page. there are no problems, but when, in principle, a tender is not held, i say once again that not only is the contract not posted, but the tender is not held, then of course in society there will always be suspicions. of course, in the absence of competition, prices will always be higher than those that could be in open procurement, but once again, this problem is secondary compared to how these procurements are traditionally organized in the ministry of defense, and that's why it seems to me that the solution to this problem must be started from the middle and to get to the tender. well, the next step is to put a stain of suspicion

on yourself. have you already put a stain of suspicion on yourself? that this is manipulation, deception, lies. i don't know what you think of this kind of communication. look, i didn't want to quit now. again, throw accusations and give some emotional evaluations of me, for example. well, she is not as an official, not as a representative of the government, but simply as a taxpayer, of course , more than anything, she is interested in the soldiers were with food, so that adequate money was paid for this food, and the saved money was used for some additional equipment, and so that there was no risk that this unknown company, e.e. aktiv, would suddenly disappear or not be able to fulfill your contract and the soldiers will be left without food, there is a solution for this in the legislation, there are so-called framework purchases, when the contract is concluded not with one company, but at the same time with several, for example, three helms , and every week you can choose from them the volume

of these carrots or beets or eggs or bread, and even if one of them goes bankrupt or, god forbid, turns out to be a traitor, or something happens to her, or simply her capacity suffers from hostilities, the food will not stop, and therefore, of course, i am more interested in the fact that from this situation we did not come out with a ritual punishment, as it is customary in our country, again ivanova petrova sydorova well, although the law enforcement agencies should of course bring this case to the end, but they came out with the understanding that you can't just say you know everything is perfect and simple, well, we all disagree, everything is fine and with the understanding that that this process must be improved from the inside and society must be shown a road map of these changes, and actually move along it, because the result of this is not just some abstract corruption. and once again , i say this in the direct sense of the organization of food for of people at the front and on the training grounds, these are funds that are

comparable to those budgets that, for example , return alive receive in a year and that can definitely be used to make manual labor less and our soldiers feel calmer and more protected by the state customs service in 2019-2020 on the airwaves of radio svoboda well, the purchase of food products in the ministry of defense became the subject of consideration at the specialized committee of the verkhovna rada, but literally earlier today, oleksiy reznikov said that he was ready to come to the committee to report to the deputies about purchases, how did the meeting of the committee end ? now i will find out, a people's deputy, a servant of the people, a member of the committee on national security, defense and intelligence, fedirvenislavsky, is joining the broadcast. good evening. good evening.

well , how did the committee end ? the meeting of the committee lasted almost 4 hours, the minister of defense oleksia reznikova was present at the meeting of the committee, and the deputy minister of defense, who is responsible for ensuring just with the food of servicemen of the armed forces of ukraine, mr. sabotaged the representatives of the respective departments who purchase products, whose authority includes the actual conclusion of procurement contracts, etc. well, if we summarize what happened, then e. we received information, we received copies of the contracts and e.e. from the point of view of the ministry of defense, there is a certain, let's say, manipulative presentation of information, and you can certainly agree with this, because the key issue that we highlighted, which

citizens should know, is that the ministry defense does not buy food products, it buys food service for military personnel, there are certain catalogs that are very voluminous, there are thousands of pages that determine approximate prices, calorie content in certain food sets , etc., and within the framework of all these catalogs, food organization is already taking place as i say, mrs. fedor, here is exactly the structure that he proposed, the framework framework approach, it is absolutely preserved. provide food for servicemen in the event that one of them comes under fire for some reason or goes bankrupt, then all the rest redistribute the food supply

of servicemen among themselves. first of all, these catalogs that were approved in 2015-2016, on which the actual organization of food for military personnel is based, they contain significant corruption risks, therefore one of the decisions that we adopted today carried by its committee is to initiate a review of these catalogs, to bring them to such a form that it would be impossible to have any suspicions of possible abuse, secondly, the circumstances that your fellow journalists made public are the subject of low criminal proceedings the anti-corruption bureau and the security service of ukraine have certain studies in them. i think that the law enforcement agencies will give an assessment and the committee appealed to all law enforcement agencies, employees and managers

which yes, we have something related to the connection, yes, provide yes, we turned to so-so-so, this is already heard yes, we turned to the heads of all law enforcement agencies in the shortest possible time to complete the pre-trial investigation to establish the presence or absence of abuses, respectively, and in the event that such abuses took place, then we will do it with joint efforts. everything is possible so that the guilty persons who allow such abuses are behind bars as quickly as possible. in addition, it must be understood here that war begins if we remember the month of march in the month of april, in connection with the general mobilization with the increase in the number

of the armed forces of ukraine there, two, then three times. you are now mentioning the transparent ones in february, march, well, soon we will be outside, i remember. i am not mentioning it because of what happened, i said that we were forced by objective reasons to move away from transparent procurement and it is possible to return to the usual course and declassify these procurements, it is somehow harms security and defense and defense, despite the state of war, you made a decision to declassify as much as possible in those defense procurements that do not directly affect the defense capability and security of ukraine. that is, we, the people's deputies of our committee, during the committee meeting, gave tasks to our assistants . today, we have already registered the draft law on the return of transparency to procurement, and in addition, again in

connection with the war, our committee, which also has essential control functions, these control due to the circumstances, the functions were also not as carefully applied as it was in peacetime , because another decision of the committee is to return to the maximum control over all areas of procurement and to inform society about any abuse in this area. finally, in order to put an end to the questions raised by your colleagues regarding the provision of these e-e foods at inflated prices, we have made a decision, the members of the committee also visit all enterprises, all companies that e-e provide food service and check whether their or they have the proper material base, production capacity, warehouses, and as soon as possible , we will also inform you about this in brief. what happened at the committee? and here, in order to open procurement, it is necessary to write a bill and pass it through the parliament

. this simply cannot be done by a single decree of the government or the ministry of defense, see why they were classified, including purchases in the plan to provide food, because this is indirect information for e, possessing which is the enemy of sykhov's analytical certain manipulations can find out how many military personnel are in which places. therefore, this is information by and large in the conditions of war, it is not such that it can be unconditionally widespread, but in view of the resonance of this situation, we made a decision that the maximum number of purchases that are not directly in the field of security influence must be revealed. and tell me, please. did the committee present any copies of these contracts to you, or did you specifically see the contracts for how much the ministry of defense buys eggs, beets , potatoes and other food products once again i say, look there, you can’t provide all the contacts, the members of the committee all had the opportunity to

familiarize themselves with all the contracts, but the problem in this case is not in the contracts, the problem is in the catalog that he said about, and that catalog contains such opportunities that allow us to have such, let’s say, ambiguous assessments in the cost of food products, so you made a decision to bring this catalog to the maximum level of saneness. as for the specific case, well, again, for the position of the ministry of defense of ukraine, the contract provided for the purchase of eggs for 17 hryvnias per piece within the scope of this catalog, no contract provided for the organization of meals for military personnel at the calculation of a certain amount that i cannot name per day. this amount was previously determined by an expert, an independent state expert, an expert institution, and all companies that provide food, they offered a valuable oak food organization lower than that which was determined by experts and