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the 406th separate artillery brigade in the name of general oleksiy almazov, join the gathering, let's get closer to victory together glory to ukraine glory to ukraine this is a verdict program my name is serhiy rudenko everyone good day and good health. today , january 23, marks the 334th day of the ukrainian people's heroic resistance to the russian invaders. the russians struck four districts of kharkiv region. unfortunately, a woman died. the next rammstein will take place in february. ukraine lost all its 155 mm howitzers, and the russian army

continues to lose strength and equipment in ukraine. as of the morning of january 23, russia has already lost 121,480 people in ukraine only for in the last day, the armed forces of ukraine destroyed 720 orks since the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost in ukraine 3150 tanks, 6276 armored combat vehicles, all 146 artillery systems, 447 rocket salvo systems, 220 air defense systems, 287 aircraft, 277 helicopters, 4936 units of automotive equipment, 17 qatari ships, 749 winged aircraft 1,894 missiles, 193 drones, 193 units of special equipment.

we hope for it, we will talk about it for the next hour, i want to introduce today's first guest - he is a colonel of the armed forces of ukraine, a military expert, petro chernyk, good day, mr. peter, good health to you and i am glad to see you on our air, glory to ukraine glory to the heroes so , mr. colonel, let's let's start our conversation with the results of rammstein because there were a lot of comments, a lot of emotions, a lot of expectations, a lot was said already by the fact of holding a meeting of 50 defense ministers of the world who united in anti-putin coalition, let's still try to understand whether this rammstein was successful for ukraine and why the expectations regarding the so-called tank

rammstein did not come true. well, i actually do not completely share this position. i have my own position, i may be wrong, i will only express my views look, this is the best armored car, which has everything, emphasizes the armor , not everyone concentrated exclusively on leopard tanks. are these the right machines, very necessary, or are they the best in their class, they are the best in their class, but at the same time, we missed take into account that at least 90 t-72 tanks, and this is almost a completely classic tank regiment, 94 vehicles will arrive. even a full-fledged tank gun, then the total is more than 1,000 units of the most diverse classes of weapons,

including artillery and ammunition for it, then in my opinion, personally, as a non-military person, i have no disappointment, of course there is somewhere a slight unpleasant aftertaste that the tanks still did not press but i am sure that it will be a matter of a few weeks, a maximum of a month, they will reach us , the main issue is the german leopards, in fact, the attention of the leaders of european countries, including the ukrainian leader volodymyr zelenskyi , was focused around this says that we need to survive, the support of western partners and the provision of weapons to the armed forces motivates our soldiers to fight for european values. articulated questions to federal chancellor olaf scholz, you must clearly

understand when the russian army with 1,000 tanks is against us. well, there is simply no one to fight and they are not afraid, they are not motivated - this is a plus for us. tanks 20 tanks 50 do not solve problems they do only one very important thing they motivate our soldiers to fight for their own value because i show that the whole world is with you i am here and tanks take everything i have who is tankov well take everything i have one tank, but i’m egotising you, that’s what they would like to hear offshotsya. i want to hear exactly that. honest, i wanted to, i appreciate everything he did, and the pants, mayer and schultz, and the bundestag, and i’m really talking.

but you’re asking me specifically about this episode, i think that it’s not time of trade time of survival we need to survive, we know that in europe there are uh, somewhere uh, a little more than 2,000 leopards in different countries and without the manufacturer, without the manufacturer's sanctions , well, they talked about it before. they couldn't get to ukraine, meanwhile, in germany will not prevent the supply of german leopard 2 tanks from poland to ukraine, the minister of foreign affairs of germany, anna elena berbuk, stated this in an interview with the french television company lci on sunday, january 22. according to her, warsaw did not make an official request to berdin to supply ukraine with german tanks from its own reserves we haven't been asked yet, if they ask us, we won't stand in the way, well , as i understand it, colonel, we are talking

about the fact that the germans are ready to give permission for the supply of these tanks to ukraine, but germany itself is not yet ready as a manufacturer to deliver these tanks to ukraine, considering the very long history between germany and russia, well, at least during the last 100 years. well, in fact, when leopard 2, we already talked about it, it is the best in its category and practically all european content. practically all countries have an operator on this tank starting from portugal with poland inclusive and ending with all over the world, on the contrary, i have an optimist in this part, it seems to me that there are some purely personal moments, what is it, which i can’t figure out, maybe purely psychological, which what in however, i have no doubt and i will emphasize a second time that sooner or later these tanks will appear in our country, and in fact, in my deep conviction, even a company of 14 machines is

quite a good history of battles and even tank marks when one tank decides on a separate in the field of battle, the result of success, i will remind you of the famous tank battle of our tankman in vasyl rozhko in 2015 in february near debaltseve, in a few hours he knocked out at least three enemy vehicles with one car, and in the second world war, in the 43rd year of the panzer as, the genius is called michael whitman, with four machines, they were decisive there, restrained the colossal frontal attack of the entire soviet tank army, so i do not share the point of view that i refused and 10 tanks do not solve anything. yes, of course, on all front lines, they do not solve anything, but in a separate area, it will be a colossal reinforcement, but when the ukrainian side says that the germans do not want to give leopards. the ukrainian leadership

says that delaying the delivery of these tanks can harm ukraine and the world because the russian army is preparing for of a powerful offensive or a powerful strike on ukraine, at least that is what oleksiy danilov, the secretary of the national security and defense council, says in effect, we will lose the time necessary to overturn these tanks before it overturns them in position at a time when the russian federation is preparing for a decisive do you think that fighting with ukraine is necessary , in which way i emphasize, of course, they are necessary, they are necessary, and they are needed again, and let's start from the opposite, this is the best method of scientific proof, and at the beginning of this war, we had at least one western-style unit, not a single one, accepted this war with a heavy battle, exclusively with its own weapons, something special. and what

else is old soviet, and we actually endured the first most terrible and most dangerous weeks, this is when the enemy really had a colossal, high-quality, well-armed, prepared group, or will the enemy will try to increase its offensive potential because nothing has changed in his philosophy and will not change, their evidence base is extremely simple to keep as much of the ukrainian territories as possible and endlessly give signals in our direction about some kind of armistice however, i am sure that this armistice will not happen or now it is very difficult incredibly difficult but in my opinion i really like historical parallels now everything that is happening on the demarcation line is like 1916 year of the first world war where in in the two major battles at verdun and on the somme river, the germans undermined their strategic

potential, but the war lasted for two long years, and at the beginning of 1918, the germans even managed to carry out certain counteroffensive actions in northern france and western belgium the so-called operation michael blackstone and now something similar is happening and now they are doomed to defeat, they know it and that is why they are so furious, they are looking for a formula to get out of this war and turn russia into north korea, the heads of all committees of the british parliament, 37 mps from all parties called of the minister of defense of germany to give ukraine leopard-2 tanks and allow third countries to transfer german tanks to kyiv, the british tabloid the sun writes about it there are still those people who are not aware of the full

threat or the entire range of threats that europe, including the russian federation, poses to the world, well, in my opinion, again, it can be quite a biased statement and even a normal redmi with crazy time indicators, but still, somewhere the extreme left and right spectrum still exist . you can’t ignore them, you won’t be able to play on these fields, but it seems to me that there are already a number of politicians, including in great britain, and even the same macron who have already come to the conclusion that the russian federation must experience a full-fledged military disaster in ukraine and it is inevitable and will experience it, but again understanding that putin may lose his life after defeat and understanding that the russian federation may fall apart and this is

actually a very complex geopolitical puzzle because there is no the solution to its collapse, i am not optimistic that everything will end literally in a few weeks or in a few months, in my opinion, the most difficult battles should boil over just in time for the spring, the stakes are incredibly high in the first turn for the muscovites and they will fight to the death now a rather tense situation is developing near bakhmut and assaults shooting battles the use of aviation artillery a serviceman with the call sign kyivan talks about the operational situation in bakhmut which is taking place as of the morning of january 23, let's hear and see what is happening in bakhmut good morning ukraine juni, january 23, 2023, this is the very center of bakhmut, this is how

it looks at the moment, friends, regarding the operational situation in the city of bakhmut on the morning of january 23, the situation remains unchanged, the assaults continue skirmishes, artillery, aviation, the city is upside down, but the city is under the control of the armed forces, magnets are flying the flag of ukraine. in short, this is all you need to know for today. specialists of the american institute for the study of war say that after the unsuccessful attempts to capture bakhmut , the popularity and authority of the owner of the private military campaign, wagner yevgena prigozhina began to fade in the eyes of president putin, now he wants, according to the americans, to

focus again on the regular army of the russian federation, meaning putin and to trust shaygu and gerasimova, is it not possible to perceive what is currently happening in the east of ukraine, in particular near bakhmut and soledar, as the utilization of prigozhin’s authority by the russian army or the leaders of the russian army, i personally share this point of view on the truth that everyone will suffer a very serious defeat in this the so-called confrontation between the towers kremlin, but i would not underestimate this man, he is quite a cunning fox and has a tremendous experience of surviving in those undercover backroom battles, plus we must not forget that up to 420,000 prisoners in the russian there are an incredible number of federations, they will paint them and they will enter this service, plus another very interesting event took place, which was not paid attention to, but it is worth it, it came from the african continent, where there is such a

republic, which tsar paul is in the foreign administration of this particular military company pvk wagner gave them the opportunity to mine gold with a total turnover of up to one billion dollars within a year. to understand that the defeat of the kremlin tower, and the physical deaths of their leaders there, the rate is incredibly high, of course, it is very good that these spiders started a dance of death among themselves , but in general, in such a rough summary, it should not matter to us more than the return of his and the return of gerasimov to the game. means that putin is placing the highest bet on them . stalin did something similar in his time when he appointed the chief of the general staff zhutov to the commander of the main strike armies during the second world war. indeed,

the bet is the highest of all possible, but i think that the denouement in the confrontation between the towers is also inevitable, the only question is who and when will deliver the final fatal blow, this i can not predict. but uh, well, in a negative sense, because they are constantly talking about the fact that we can talk with ukraine, but on our terms, if they accept the territorial reality of this uh, time in which we live now, or about what uh, zelenskyi has reject the decision of the national security and defense council, according to which ukraine refuses to hold negotiations until russia leaves the territory of the ukrainian state. lavrov said today that russia does not refuse negotiations on

ukraine, but the further the west avoids them, it means negotiations the more difficult the situation will be, according to him, the western states directly say that it is still too early to negotiate with moscow, and what else lavrov says, he says that russia's war with the west is no longer hybrid and almost real, we also know a quote and we know one figure in russia who says that what is happening now is almost the great patriotic war. this is medvedev, and medvedev is commenting on rammstein. now i suggest you listen to what this obsessed man writes. that the meeting at rammstein and the allocation of heavy weapons to kyiv leave no doubt. because our enemies will certainly try to wear us out for a long time. and it is better to destroy

their weapons, which is enough if we have to start making new ones, so there is no need for illusions, which of these conclusions, firstly, it will be very difficult, secondly , in the event of a protracted conflict, at some point a military alliance will be formed from those countries that the americans and a pack of their neutered dogs got, something like this has always happened in the history of mankind during long wars, and then the states will finally abandon old europe and the remnants unfortunate ukrainians, and the world will come to balance again, if of course it is not too late, and in moscow they are constantly trying to present the russian-ukrainian war as a great war of russia with the west as a great war of nato with by russia, this is only an explanation for the domestic consumer, mr. colonel , do they still believe that they are really now waging war with nato, and if they really were waging war with nato, under the current

conditions, what results of this war could they be satisfied with now? or at least to see these results, well, if it was really a real mass war, then they have a margin of safety, a rout with the complete defragmentation of the russian federation, if it were really nato, the united states of america entered this war in the first place, and there is no need to even start their own the city hall, a few hundred, half the beach, 109 tomahawk, and preferably 1,000, and the spider will throw them, and in fact, so that we are well aware of this war, and in fact, what is left for them to say? well, they can't tell their population that they are losing to ukraine, well, it's in her i can’t think of it, well, here’s some ukraine, where at the beginning of the war, even in fsbno, they declared the daily routine, just got up in the morning

, had breakfast, and in the evening already held a parade in kyiv, that is, to lose to ukraine in their philosophy, and not only in the elite a and b of the ordinary population, this is unacceptable and that's all rhetoric is nothing but propaganda narratives for their own population, but there is actually one very interesting detail here - that is that they began to endlessly speak the mantra about peace, the weaker side is asking for peace, no truce, a sports combination cannot and will not be a minute as the last one said the commander of the upa army, vasyl puk , negotiations with the enemy will last exactly the length of the automatic tea , president zelenskyi also spoke about the negotiations and the conditions under which it makes sense to hold negotiations with russia, let's see what said the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, the first step is to leave our territory

faster, it means less casualties, less casualties, more chance after they leave, proceed to the diplomatic settlement of issues if they leave, how did they leave in kherson , there is no point in continuing to shoot, he says again, we left the territory of our independent country, or to use weapons, they simply stopped shooting, they recognized this tragedy as a tragedy well, this is already diplomatic and compensation of money, i don't understand how to say it damage er and so on and damage against no деньги mr. colonel, do you agree with the opinion that if there was a consensus among western

countries that russia should suffer a crushing defeat, then this russian-ukrainian war would not have lasted so long and we have already seen the results of this defeat, in fact, the west can to collapse russia literally in a few months, it is not so difficult to lower the oil price limit by $10. it is possible, by the way, it already happened in history, it was 1985-86, margaret thatcher and reagan agreed to collapse the entire price of oil and after a few years of the soviet union, despite the fact that the soviet union was much, much more powerful than modern russia, but there is actually one really serious detail that i cannot at the moment give it a deep qualitative expert assessment, this defeat of putin may be equal to the collapse of the

russian federation this problem, which is called collapse, is really big and there are two components, the first is the potential recognition of nuclear weapons of the russian federation. the federation has the most diverse classes of nuclear ammunition, from strategic to tactical and the problem is precisely tactical. or strategic, it is possible to quickly and efficiently take control, it is about the usual nuclear projectiles for installation of s5 or 2 s7 pn or two f4 tulip and the second moment the great hemon who decided to be a hero asks woke up and gave them empty siberia is 13 million square kilometers where just over 30 million people live and the most important is lake baikal 25% of the mold water of the planet earth and fresh water in the next 10 will only be the main resource this is actually a very serious puzzle as it solve well, i still can't imagine the interconnected otomy of those, but in my

opinion, we really exhale only when the russian federation disintegrates, they don't take away nuclear weapons, we join nato, they are cut off from oil and gas, and for two more generations they pass like this the so-called sanitization of cleaning, until that is not completed, we have to learn to live in a strategic military zone, but look, mr. colonel, in july 1991, he flew to kyiv. well, yes, there was a meeting at the airport, as far as i remember, bush sr. and he convinced ukrainian government officials, the leaders of ukraine, about the fact that it is not necessary to collapse or at least join in the collapse of the soviet union, this was still a well-known and even older speech about how they interpreted it, how they

were afraid of the collapse of the soviet union, or is it possible to draw analogies between what was in the 91st year , in 2023, out of fear of what consequences the collapse of this country will have. well, now there are parts of the soviet union of russia, which is a mini -soviet union, considering the number of re republics that are tied there in this federation. in my opinion, it is not entirely correct because, first of all, the social attitudes that prevailed in the russian federation, that was then and now, are indisputable with each other, there really was such a certain social premise that this people can somehow be symbolized and that they will really become our way of some kind of civilized development and there weren't those people who were ready to really fight for the life of the soviet union, the cpsu made an attempt, but yeltsin all went to the graves, that's why i and what's most important now is her national difference

in the fact that the entire russian underdog is at the highest point of schizophrenic fascism, this is actually very serious and plus we remember that the world is now very much raditilized by such colossal heavy knots that are now in the year 91 have not yet been seen starting from, let's say, the very islamic state of the extreme radical finishing not its own sharp untied knots in syria in azerbaijan and bend the fingers for quite a long time because the general geopolitical picture is radically different from the one that exists today and i i mentioned china and i will mention it again at the time of the talk that china will be a great eastern dragon and will challenge world civilization for the sake of a new harmony. now the picture is a bit different. well, let’s not forget the same purely capital about the current level of total

production then and now a no one canceled the money, including it is important, and i emphasize once again why the colossal material resources of siberia. well, at that time, no one spoke or convinced those residents who were in the soviet union that there is a possibility of the great of the patriotic war of the ussr in the west, whether with the united states of america or with europe , the same deputy secretary of the security council of the russian federation, dmitry medvedev, is now publicly speaking about the fact that this is a war, but it is already a large domestic war. they are preparing people who they will take to mobilize for war that this is the great patriotic war that they are the saviors of the world and everyone around them is a nazi what do you think of this mantra that they repeat that everyone around them is a nazi and they