awareness of local elites of their own nationals. i say prices, although regional interests are not yet at the same level. but again, we do not know when this will happen, when it will happen, when it will pass that level. when talking about such regionalism is exotic that they will become a real, real prospect, but again here i wanted to refer to the opinion of benahodzhus, er, and back in september it was expressed that in any case , it is necessary to prepare for the options of various options of various scenarios of russia's schedule in order to not to repeat the mistakes that were made in 1991, when the previous edition of the russian empire under the name of the soviet union collapsed, so to speak. bread, he said recently well,

it's me. i'm reading what he says on the tape, because i do n't, i'm not watching, the arrestee is not listening, but people are tracking. will be yes, when a person in uman was blown up by a rocket on a bicycle on the first day, and it was probably a special operation, i don’t know if it was on the third day when a house was hit in kyiv. obviously, it was a special operation. but in any case, when in your opinion russia has realized that this could be the last war of the empire. it is now trying to wage this war with all its might, mobilizing the economy and society, realizing that this war may become the one after which there will be no others. do you understand this in russia and how big do you think the reserves of strength in russia are in continuing to drive people to slaughter for the sake of saving the regime and, as they say, their great and russian empire, please

, interesting processes have now begun in russia, you know. on the one hand, there are sounds their soldier voenko razsladkov counted the numbers. apparently, under the same bottle with the liar general konoshonkov , they counted the ukrainian losses there, and the impression is that the russian army won at the same time in the last 11 months the first and second world wars without all kinds of alliances and other western allies fighting only with ukraine, well, we have to feed the population with something, these are the laws of the genre on the one hand, on the other hand, russia and we see it. i think it is increasingly obvious that i was preparing 11 months ago, come in a few days to change the power in ukraine

is to change the power, not to seize all of ukraine at once, but to change the power in kyiv and further with the help of those puppets who were supposed to come to power here under blue-yellow flags with tridents and everything else, to conclude an agreement with russia, then quickly dismantle it independence, i.e. approximately as it was under yanukovych. well, under yanukovych, were some rules of political decency preserved somehow, and here no one wanted to preserve anything like that anymore , and it had to have the character of, you know , psychological pressure, psychological shock, because the effect in the event of the implementation of russian plans would be powerful , the largest country in europe well, a lot of things, a lot of fact, in the end, we got a not elegant special operation, and we got the largest war in the world, the largest in any case in the xxi

century and the largest in europe after 1945, which does not leave anyone aside , practically, well, that is, without a reaction to current events, there are practically no notable politicians , and this is also a serious factor. therefore, russia now, in my opinion, solves the issue of its positioning in such a derivative order. that is, it tries to figure out for yourself what it will be and how it will be and what will be the way and act accordingly so that it will be for her, well, there is an opportunity to save face in world politics, there is a whole cohort of adepts

of preserving putin's face of various adepts and they are not always manifest themselves naturally but they still exist and that's why russia is counting on them, but really ukraine should first of all formulate approaches and talk about the fact that russia should be dismantled, we should talk about it not in an aggressive manner, but in a constructive manner, you know how the executive comes and speaks first than we will build a palace of happiness here. we have to demolish this shack, that is, dismantle it so that there is no more trace of it. now we will listen, well, it is more than a minute of the president's interview to one of the german publications, how he talked about putin's possible plans in this war in case putin succeeded, let's say, to cross over ukraine, let's listen to volodymyr zelenskyi and continue poland, there was the influence of the soviet union, and the russian

prevozmozhnosti to return there, and then we are already talking to you about the borders with germany and the borders with germany from the side where part of the population of which you said that there are people who believe that more weapons, more problems, less weapons are needed, look at less weapons, ukraine will come to germany sooner if the germans are satisfied with it, it is clear that the stakes are high, by whose authority are they gathering stop putin it's just interesting that macron and shultz and the second line of the president of russia promised that there would be no full-scale invasion. he failed to say what he said two days before the invasion.

laugh, well, he simply said to europe that he would not gain anything and went further, that’s how it will be with steel places, the presence of russia there. where would the soviet union be argued for him? show your so-called historical contribution to the russian federation the land collector of the soviet union, which was, well , actually, it ended its existence. this is exactly what will happen if ukraine does not stop the russian federation. well, actually, let's talk about it a little. it is important to understand whether , in your opinion, putin really thought about this. well , maybe now i think because in principle, you know , war changes, changes us and changes the enemy in many ways, europe is also changing little by little, is this really an attempt to completely restore the warsaw pact and go to the borders there? well , to germany, i am not talking about

rebuilding the berlin wall of course and is there really an understanding in europe that out what authority would really stop putin if he managed to go through ukraine and go further or not to go further p vitaly, please well , i think the president is right about stopping in ukraine no one would stop, appetite increases during meals and it is obvious that this is no longer the formation of some warsaw pact, but it was already a matter of a full-fledged annexation of the territory, the germination of the territory to the russian empire, and, in fact, russia has shown this with the so-called referendums in our country having annexed the territory of zaporizhzhia , kherson and donbass to ukraine, that is, it is crimea in the first place, and we were talking about the fact that russia was expanding territorially. it would not form a friendly perimeter there

. of other countries and wherever the foot of a russian soldier stepped, it would end in the russian empire. this is the dream of putin's historical task. i think it remains. until now, despite the defeat on the front, putin believes that he can maintain territorial expansion at the expense of ukraine, of course, then i do not rule out that there will be an annexation of abkhazia and that southern site to russia, this is also possible. i do not rule out that there will be an attempt at some kind of formal anschluss to belarus formal and legal removal of lukashenka if if it is possible to freeze the front and then he will simply sprout what he did not have time to seize. therefore, these ideas will not disappear anywhere, the idea of ​​the territorial expansion of the

russian empire, the transformation of russia precisely to the russian empire from the federation, this is the idea of ​​putin's fix, it remains and now, that is, a victory for him, a dash, that is, there is no territorial expansion, but a defeat in ukraine, it breaks these ideas of putin's dreams into reality, so that at least if not for him, then for him environment and part of the political elite, it becomes clear that this adventure and this adventure threatens the existence of russian statehood in general, that if the border becomes immovable and turns into something that can move and move in a voluntary way, then this is mobility the border may refer not to increases but, on the contrary, to the loss of territory, and when we hear

the discussion of propagandists on the russian media, however, when solovyov asks questions even to such odious persons as the hidden one, he asks why they responded with nuclear weapons to russia's seizure of the territory of kherson region, rogozin says well, it is almost russian the territory is not quite russia. well, this is not quite russia. it can go from the territory of ukraine to the territory of the immediate historical so-called russian federation and the sooner it happens, the better for the russians , first of all, because the alternative to the collapse of the rapid collapse of russia is a deep civil war, which can be in time for a sufficiently long period of time to the hypothesized deep civil war can end not just with the collapse of russian statehood, but with the breakdown of

society, the loss of identity trobolism e-e depopulation i.e. e-e a global continental catastrophe for russians it is worth conveying to the russians that this e-e strategy of own personal survival was dominant during the compilation of motivations including what to do, where to run, and the like, and this will accelerate the disintegration, in fact, i can shake my mind. i would like to note about the model of disintegration . along the borders of which may be controlled by private military companies or certain e-e local elites who will be able to control this or that territory, that is what they will be able to control and will be

deferred from the federal so-called federal center and not conditionally - this is a bir conditionally somehow there conditionally chechnya no, what will be able to be controlled by field commanders or military companies under the control of some conditional gazprom or er-e roszmifti, that is, in such and such models, i see once under russia p oleksiy er-e ecclesiastical it is a long time before the beginning of the invasion there for for some time he wrote an article about the fact that the empire cannot exist, if it cannot, it will not grow into new territories , it will not absorb something, digest it, so to speak, and then it will not be able to live, because it is such a parasitic life. well, that is understandable excuse me, it is obvious for russia, mr. oleksiivna, one of them, i don’t know if he can hear us or not, because you can hear us, but we don’t see you on the video, but we hear you, so what is this, what is this life of the empire, you have to swallow something to live then they realized that after starting a war against ukraine, it is obvious that the empire can survive in a new quality with new resources, human, land, natural, and so on, and

in your opinion, when can russia understand that it will not be possible to do this and whether russia can exist in principle not how the empire, well, at least mentally, can this war teach russia to just stop, stop imagining itself as an empire, start living differently, it doesn't necessarily fall apart, just start living differently without these ambitions. is it impossible? well, in fact, if russia, er, can russia be an empire, we don't know. we don't know about being an empire, because such a thing simply did not exist in its history, well, at least for um 300 years. yes, for sure , in any case, we are talking about the re-establishment of the state, and before the application, it means that the time of the re-establishment will be determined and the borders and in particular well, of course, the internal internal organization of russia, of course. we cannot

set ourselves the goal of the disappearance of the russians. as such , coexistence with them within the boundaries of a single world is possible only when they change themselves and change will change their own the state, when it will happen, how quickly , in what form, of course, we cannot predict, but again, the world must prepare for the fact that, in the event of such a reformatting, be prepared so that it is not accompanied by some kind of things that threaten the whole world, taking into account of course er, the presence of nuclear weapons in modern russia is why er, actually, as they say about what is needed to be understood by reformatting, including when reformatting, where

is nazification necessary, or where is resolution, as russia is now told, demilitarization of russia and day colorization, the first two points are heroic formulated by putin himself at the time of the announcement of the invasion of ukraine. in this way , the boomerang that should return to the russians to the russians about whether the empire can exist without expanding, er, of course, there were examples when the empires did not expand, but they were empires of a completely different type, and russia, which in its internal content is the russian empire and has always followed the line of extensive development, taking into account that they have many undeveloped territories that which belong to russia is recognized by the world and nevertheless they

constantly tried to grab something for themselves. it is obvious that the question of whether the empire can exist without expanding is not a question for russia. as for your question, did they set a goal of renaissance there of russian russian territory or russian influence within the limits of the warsaw pact or the russian empire, i will actually remind you that the direct invasion of ukraine was preceded by the well-known ultimatum of russia to the western world, and there was written in black and white the demand to return to the west, that is, to abandon the e parts of the states that formally even belong to donato to renounce their membership in nato, obviously to hand them over to russia, with this line passing well, if incompletely along the line

, so to speak, the existence of the warsaw pact or of the iron curtain described in its time. it's a celtic film, so close to that, they didn't even hide their husband from us for literally 13 minutes. we're left then . well, here are the two statements of this lavrov and simenyan, they are a little different, but in principle they are important, lavro has already gone on a tour of africa, because there is nowhere else for me to go especially here, it is funny. i think yevhen will understand me how man whose book in he was holding lukashenko in his hands, he lukashenko means that he agrees to the memorandum where higher education will be recognized in belarus, e.e. zimbabwe is a higher institution in zimbabwe, well, it's just so that we understand the level of both belarus and russia in terms of diplomats in terms of interstate relations, but lavrov went to africa and there he made a statement related to the war. let

's listen to it now . against russia, with trepidation, he will destroy all russian culture, because it was in ukraine for centuries, and he forbids people to speak their native language. yevgeny, regarding the hybrid, regarding the fact that you were preparing the event of this war, this is lavrov’s attempt to justify invasion what do you think we don't know something, but please comment here are these basically finally he said war - it's already nice that if there is this understanding please he also used the word war last week and here accordingly a question arises will lavrov be punished, since russian

legislation actually forbids the use of the word war, you can only talk about a special military operation, this is the second time i have already pointed out more than once that there are lies, there are cynical lies, there are statements of russian political leaders moreover, this triumvirate is such a peculiar putin medvedev lavrov situational triumvirate because they are formally in different positions, but it constantly rotates in the kremlin on the kremlin olympus on the russian olympus. they are trying to prove to the world that russia, firstly, is at war with everything, well , with nato, this is one thing, and secondly, that it did not start the war. this, in my opinion, indicates that, in the russian establishment, they are still looking for ways out of the current

situations with the minimization of their own losses, but it is clear that they are now at the stage where they can talk about recognizing the need for some kind of reparations or something else, er, russia has not yet reached this point. i think that under the current configuration of the government, it will not reach this point. you know what? write in the comment say a in the winter it's time to get smarter, it's enough to wriggle out of being an idiot useful for the kremlin, joining the kremlin's submission to arestovych gate and also with the words i haven't heard it myself, but people say volodymyr zamkovy p volodymyr well , you have nothing to say. very cool, but strange, why is the kremlin like that, why is he like that, you see the arrestee, it has not become somehow obvious that the kremlin's chances of victory have increased. i think well, that's good. i'm always happy. i welcome people who comment and express their point of view

this is a cool question for me. why is colonel arestovych, with 37 and three tours of duty, still not in the war, but he is no longer working because all the presidents are issuing subpoenas all over the country, so if all such amateurs are being realistic, please ask him why he is not a colonel is going to defeat the enemy at the front, yes, but now this is what i want to turn to. now we will listen to, you know, a more down-to-earth vision of the future of russia in this war, which may come, and it was voiced by russian propagandist margarita simonyan let's listen to what we have now with one button, one decision, one new package of sanctions, they can cut down everything, and here are these phones, people are filming me on the camera, and here is this resource on which you are watching now, and here is an ipad or a computer on which you are watching it or iphone or on what you look at it everything will turn into a pumpkin with one stroke of the pen we will return we will return to the 90s when we lived without this everything well,

do you remember the everyday, down-to-earth vision of the future of russia in, so to speak, in to the soviet union, which they strive for, it can somehow influence russia to stop putin, he will have an iphone and an ipad and an iphone and everything in the world. evgeny said, or not, in my opinion, someone else said that if putin is needed, he will also do this in siberia, which means the amazon forest and everything will be there for him as if somewhere in the amazon in the tropics. therefore, everything will be fine with him it's the same with the amazon site, too. vitaliy, this is such a household destruction of that what has russia lived to add to what it is used to? it can somehow affect the russian people, well , this multimillion-strong community has absolutely no effect because they live. actually, it is no better than in the 90s, yes, some of them have iphones, but this is a small percentage of the rules have e -e chinese na- analogues in quotation marks to

say that this will not affect the main ones. no, it will not affect the main mass of the 144 million population, it did not go beyond the scope, on the contrary, their well-being will deteriorate, the equality of 911 years ago, such a future does not scare them, but regarding the aggressiveness of this mass accumulates, i.e. deaths in the neighbors of the families themselves, the reduction of the opportunities that were there before to go to the sea, relatively speaking, at least once every five years, e-e, the closing of the company that was on western or even chinese components, but due to sanctions which has stopped supplies, reduced gas and oil production due to the fact that china is not developing the volumes that russia can provide there, until you don’t want to

take it, and that is why there is a reduction in the number of people at enterprises, the closing of production chains, the presentation to the front does not pay salaries, all this accumulates a certain dissatisfaction, responsivity, so far, this aggressiveness of this deep russian people, who supported putin all this time, his base is in the clutches of the elector, because it is not an electorate, but just a mass. this deep mass of russians as an identity is starting to accumulate aggression. there is no way out. so far ukraine and the ukrainians as an enemy are nothing so far away to direct their aggression . well, somehow it becomes difficult, and when this aggression finds an outlet and the enemy that is located next to the neighborhood is pointed at, it is officials are law enforcement officers, this is the federal center

, for example, then riots and pogroms will begin, it is riots and programs, they are not a revolution, not a palace coup, but riots and pogroms should bury the russian empire. i believe in a senseless, merciless riot that will destroy the very foundations remote basement in the russian empire, the sooner the better it will be for the russians. well, we literally have a minute and a half for mr. yevgeni . i know you can answer something else, but i briefly asked a question if, in your opinion, when the russian empire disappears, what will its last words be? well, you can let go of not quite a few phrases a little more widely, but in general, oleksiy, i think that empires die silently we should not be under illusions and

think that it will change. because what is happening now is that pink horses and unicorns will come for the last time. we are talking about preparing for that. well, at this moment of transition, at this moment of disintegration, to take away from the russians weapons that threaten the whole world. this is the main thing. to predict who will replace this empire, you know yevgeny, i remember the words of the late

former prime minister of the russian federation, the other was the ambassador of the russian federation to ukraine for a long time yevgena chornomyr- chernomerdina think i think that oh, viktora, i’m sorry, i’m looking at yevhen. i say yevhen viktorovych chernobyl. i think that everyone present here had the opportunity to see him and even talk to him. well, as a journalist, you are obviously also there in different ways, that is, such a person , russian history was quite interesting, and he once said such an important phrase. well it is not important, but it is a very characteristic phrase. i have never had such a phrase, and here again i am thinking, yevgeny , what if russia? well, when russia falls apart , this phrase is very suitable, but this is my opinion , that is, the paraphrasing of chernomordin a p evgeny, in your opinion, with what words can the russian empire end this time, there are two options: the first is i'm tired, i'm leaving, and the second is astalavysta beyba, but regardless of which option will be, i think that ukraine must constantly prove to our western partners the necessity of this process that nothing can stop the death of the empire, the time has come for which, and

we have to talk about it in different ways, not aggressively, but convincingly, and this, i think, is the key to our success. thank you very much to all of you who joined. this is a very cool company got together and it was nice to spend time with you and that's why you start to our viewers too so oleksiy ustafin journalist media managers store thank you mr. oleksiy a-a thank you vitaliy when i am a political scientist director of the center for researching civil society problems i wish you a good day vitaliy and yevhen makdo executive director of the institute of world politics mr. yevgeny thank you and what are we talking about with our guests? stream on youtube by the way, join his youtube channel espresso subscribe like share well let's say now we already have almost 2 million subscribers on our uh channel there should be 4-5 million more and uh and that means from you from your trust in us from our quality of work and then together we will

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