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now in ukraine it is happening to many people, many people are served summonses to someone, uh, stick it on the door somewhere there. well, in different ways, but this is obviously, these are things that are happening, so why not talk about it? ukraine explained that today specialists are needed for new models of weapons provided by partners, they also to replenish losses, first of all, they are mobilizing personnel according to certain accounting military specialties, which are not mentioned there. well, but about give me something. we were told. it was great terra, we wish you a good evening , there is no tomorrow at all. now for your attention , we are colleagues from the ukrainian editorial office of bbc news one. good evening. we are from ukraine. my name is hryhoriy zhigalov. today in the staffing program of zelenskyi's team in the president's office, the government of the prosecutor general's office and
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regional administrations, a number of resignations of high-ranking officials, we analyze the mass resignations as a question ukraine is able to provide its own defense in the event of a new russian offensive minister of foreign affairs of ukraine dmytro kuleba answered steven sakura's question in on the bbc hard talk program, nato and european union analysts warn that russia is winning in the information war surrounding the conflict in ukraine, how to change this because all the presidents, the government, the prosecutor general's office, regional administrations, a number of resignations of
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high -ranking officials launched asked to release him at his own will and published his statement in a telegram, as well as in the press service of the prosecutor general's office reported on the dismissal of deputy prosecutor general oleksiy symonenko, his resignation is connected with a trip to spain on vacation, which was publicized . release so as not to create a threat to the stable provision of the armed forces of ukraine with his words. this was a quote just on the day of resignations, the anti-corruption court chose a preventive measure against the former first deputy minister of infrastructure vasya lozynskii nabu detained him for a bribe of $400,000, and the court arrested him with a bail of uah 100 million. in
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addition, the cabinet of ministers supported the president's decision to dismiss the heads of five regional state administrations of kyiv, dnipropetrovsk, zaporizhzhia, sumy, and kherson . president zelenskyi announced a week of decisions, what are the reasons for such sudden personnel purges and should we expect further resignations in the government and the president's office, let's start with how we saw this event outside the country, as the bbc james water house correspondents comment in the world, we see military aid to ukraine and that is good. but there is another important thing, billions of dollars , including our funds, are being sent to ukraine now. that is why the perception of the corruption component has become so important that president zelenskyi is doing for in order to fight corruption in ukraine, president zelenskyi faced quite serious and threatening accusations concerning the ukrainian government, now i have a
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list of these people in my hands, personnel decisions were affected the cabinet of ministers at both national and regional levels, currently five heads of regional military administrations and four national-level officials have been dismissed, the deputy minister for development of territorial communities and infrastructure resigned last weekend, as well as the deputy head of the president's office and this list can be continued, and the ministry of defense is causing the biggest complaints. the company in the ministry reported that it happened due to a technical error, in particular, it was about the price of eggs, all this undermines trust in the power structure, especially at such a responsible time , another scandal concerns another deputy minister, he is accused of receiving a bribe in the amount of $400,000 for the purchase of electric generators during the transfer of illegal his benefits were detained, the
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official himself rejects the accusations, and president zelenskyi did not stop there, he forbade civil servants to travel abroad for unofficial purposes. this was preceded by scandals by the deputy prosecutor general who went on vacation to spain. while most men do not have the right to leave the country, and everything is more serious than it might seem , because as it was said earlier, ukraine receives billions of dollars in military aid, so all financial transactions must be transparent in order not to undermine the trust of partners. very serious accusations and an incredibly difficult time for ukraine live with whom is my colleague viktoriya shugan from oprivi, i will ask you the same question, should we expect further resignations in the government and in the office of the president and whether are they or are they, by the way, sudden at all , it seems that they have been talked about for several months , first of all, if you listen to the president and his team, then it is worth remembering the sunday address of president zelensky, where he
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announced, as you already said, an important week of important decisions, uh, the week has just begun and then zelenskyi outlined the sphere of e-e in which there will be more careful attention and spheres in which nothing seems to have happened yet, it is, as zelenskyi said, energy and procurement, and perhaps that is why political analysts are now pointing to another potential candidate for the minister energy minister halushchenka, in addition to davyd arkhamia , expressed his opinion about these resignations, which will be announced in the spring. he might be announcing that the period of changes and resignations is just beginning. well , yes, zelenskyi was indeed led to resignations . and were his comments after they had already been announced by you? you know. today i was at a press conference in the president's office after the meeting between the president of ukraine and the president of finland. but at this event, at this
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conversation with journalists, there is no place, time, or space for questions about these resignations. president zelenskyi's agenda consisted of an announcement about the help of western partners for ukraine and a reminder of how important military aid is now, but even if it seems that these two topics are not connected, some analysts in ukraine still connect, in particular , it is said that the western partners of ukraine expect anti-corruption and these resignations and anti-corruption investigations that we are talking about have already reacted in the european union, there in the european commission they approved the nabu investigation into anti-corruption thank you for the video well, a week begins i hope or i think that you and i will see each other on the air this week. and we will talk about the help of western partners
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just now. germany has agreed to provide ukraine with a leopard-2 tank . leopard-2 battle tanks to ukraine and also to allow the supply of tanks to other countries, as i said, the publication spiegel reports with reference to sources according to their data, berlin is ready to send at least one to ukraine the leopard-2a-6 company is the most modern version of this tank. earlier on tuesday, the media reported that the official decision could be announced on wednesday , according to spiegel, the decision has already been made, but i repeat this decision once again with reference to sources. while the front line remains mostly static because the winter the weather complicates the rapid advance of tanks, armored vehicles, the pentagon sees that ukraine
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is beginning to make progress kryminny in the east of the luhansk oblast, the capture of kryminny will open the way for the ukrainian army to attack severodonetsk and lysychansk e.e., at the same time, the armed forces of ukraine are in a hurry to occupy advantageous lines before a possible russian offensive, which the ukrainian authorities have repeatedly stated, the successes of the ukrainian armed forces on the battlefield are increasing as as the united states and western allies strengthen support for kyiv, writes the publication, the us secretary of defense lloyd austin misses that ukraine will launch a counter strike against russia in the spring of this year and called on the allies to increase the supply of weapons to help kyiv prepare, and the german minister of defense and the secretary general of nato discussed the transfer of leopards to ukraine from toltenberg expressed confidence that a decision on tanks will appear soon, i will remind you once again that
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unofficially, with reference to sources, german publications have already reported that germany has agreed to provide ukraine with leopard-2 tanks, but there is no official notification about this yet, it is based on official reports, nato secretary general genston said after a meeting with the minister of defense germany with a pistol that they had a good discussion, it was a quote from the transfer of tanks, in turn, he told the story that germany would help ukraine win the war against russia, the only way to achieve peace is to make putin understand that he will not win on the battlefield, and now is the time for that to provide ukraine with heavier and more modern weapons, and it is necessary to do this as soon as possible. consultations among our allies are still ongoing, and i am sure that soon we will make a decision. if we sum up everything we talked about today, then the statement germany and other allies on the allocation of various types of weapons in the country, this is a huge
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additional contribution to the military capabilities of ukraine, this is urgent and important because russia is preparing for new offensives and ukraine needs to be able to repel them and continue to liberate its territories, and the head of the german ministry of defense boris pistorius earlier during the day he confirmed that a decision on the supply of leopard-2 tanks is expected in the near future, he said that he called on the partner countries that have leopard status to conduct training of ukrainian of forces on these tanks, the historian also emphasized that he disagrees that his country is cut off from other nato member states because they continue to resist sending battle tanks to ukraine, at the same time he emphasized that the north atlantic alliance will not become a party to the conflict in russia's war with ukraine, it is not only about the supply of these tanks,
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and about weighing all the consequences, as we have done so far for its victory in this war, my sympathies are completely and completely on the side of the president of ukraine, mr. zelenskyi, do not delay in the huts with the decision regarding the leopards, germany and the prime minister of poland, meteo szwarowecki, called on him. he gave them 1-2 weeks to think. in an interview with the bbc , he recalled that germany played a serious role in enriching russia before the war, and therefore bears a special responsibility and must do our contribution, we submitted germany's request for approval of the supply of leopard tanks. also, we are currently in the process of creating a coalition of countries that would like to support ukraine at this very important moment. this is a very serious matter , because as we remember a couple of months ago the kremlin has started the mobilization process and the soldiers have already started training for new
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attacks on ukraine from two or three different directions because an attack from belarus cannot be ruled out either. that is why immediate measures are so important and that is why we are negotiating with our german partners and asking do not delay do not delay make this bold decision and join the coalition of countries that want to send modern leopard tanks to ukraine we will do it regardless of what the decision will be but we want to pass all the necessary procedures everything depends on us that is why we will wait for the next few days one or two weeks for an unofficial answer i am in contact with other prime ministers and presidents of nato countries who are helping ukraine urgently because the european union cannot allow that ukraine is left alone, we have to collectively support ukraine because what is happening is very serious. i hope
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the answer will come as soon as possible. germany played a key role in building up the huge capital of russia before the beginning of this war by buying russian gas, trading with russia for a long time, so now germany bears a special responsibility and we expect from her a personal contribution of quick solutions . will be provided to ukraine, and the belarusians better not even think about sending their troops to ukraine, these are the main theses of the minister of foreign affairs dmytro kuleba, which he voiced in the bbc program hardoc the conversation was recorded the day before when the allies of ukraine criticized the results of the meeting e-e within the framework of the rammstein format, in particular the intransigence of the german government and the
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prime minister announced the intention to create a coalition of suppliers of tanks to the armed forces of ukraine was a financing moment after weeks of various conversations and negotiations as well as public appeals by pilz, so everything what was not resolved in rammstein, including the issue of main battle tanks, will be resolved in the near future, the confidant with about is quite sure of this that is we continuous because we continue our work we hear more and more important messages from different capitals so i have no doubt that we will get the leopard the only question is when and now we are doing everything to make it happen as soon as possible but therein lies the problem ukraine is trying to draw up a strategy for the next two months, how can you do it if german defense minister
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pistorius says after rammstein we can't say when we will make a decision about leopard tanks and we can't say what it will be by decision i think it is a matter of german politics how they form their decisions and when they make them our task is to make them make this decision rather as quickly as possible phil frosted you can feel frustrated by the process of making these decisions but on the other hand i have enough indicators to draw conclusions that these decisions will be made and will be decided beatsation will be without a-a i understand that sometimes in the capitals decision -making takes time so and so and be while they continue to make decisions we continue fight and it's true, it's unfortunate, it's true, i have
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to say that every day of protracted discussions in which of the capitals in some capitals means that more ukrainian soldiers will die due to lack of weapons. from that, germany will allow poland to provide leopard tanks to ukraine, their consent is of secondary importance, we will either quickly receive permission from berlin, or i will do the right thing myself and send you rammstein tanks. the minister of foreign affairs of germany said that germany did not stand in the way of poland or other countries with their requests to berlin to give permission for the delivery of those tanks. so just clarify for me if you understand this. the poles have already asked germany to give permission for the leopards or not. a special issue in current diplomacy, so i would really like to leave it to be decided
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between them themselves portent i want to take the opportunity to do something important to appeal to all countries that have leopards and that are willing to share them with ukraine immediately to officially apply to the german government for permission to deliver these tanks to ukraine, this is a step that clarified the whole situation and we will see where this will lead germany, this is something that must be done urgently and something that will become obvious tempelerish what is your message to belarus, should they consider the possibility of allowing russia to start a new offensive from the territory of belarus is waving belarusian slush stay wavefrom you the message to belarus is clear stay away from ukraine do not repeat the mistakes of president putin run away if they do not listen or is it possible to imagine that the ukrainian offensive will go to the territory of belarus, first if they cross
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the border of the ukrainian territory, many belarusians will die because our soldiers will kill zags regardless of their nationality and passports no house and we know how much the people of belarus hate the idea of ​​waging war against ukraine and dying for the interests of russia i think the invasion of belarusian soldiers in ukraine will create a problem for president lukashenko that cannot be described. ukraine is not provoking him, we are closely watching our border and our advice to them is simply mind your own business and stay away from ukraine and let's discuss another very important topic, nato and european union analysts warn that russia is ahead of the west in the information war surrounding russian aggression in ukraine, researchers from the eu-nato joint center in finland found that due to the influence of russian disinformation, significant parts of
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the population of several european countries are accused of inciting war, nato is the largest, but a significant part of citizens, in particular in germany, russian narratives are supported by almost 20% of the population, and in words or no. up to 30% of those surveyed, so on the battlefield, the russians may lose, but in terms of disinformation . they are far from defeated security correspondents frank gardner. this is how i analyzed the researchers' conclusions. i, too, are an institute. this is a rather depressing statistic for nato and the european union. the bottom line is that what they call the russian propaganda of disinformation that spreads in telegram and on various online channels works and not the majority, but a significant part of the population even in such countries as germany believe the narratives of the kremlin that the war in ukraine is due to the fault of the west, for example, 19% of respondents
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in germany believe that the russian campaign was justified because nato provoked the conflict. of the surveyed population are convinced that this is all the fault of the west, similar opinions are expressed by about a quarter of the population in greece and hungary, so this means that the message of the west is not clear to everyone. i think that the western leaders are a little mistaken when they think that the whole of europe supports the west , do we know these numbers that you mentioned earlier, they are growing, disinformation works, unlike people who always adhere to this opinion and simply express it now, in case they are asked, this is a good opinion, it
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depends on the country, of course in in germany , the level of misinformation is increasing and it is confusing. i think that the longer the war lasts and the more people feel its consequences, for example, high fuel prices, then more people complain and criticize their leaders to a certain degree of course, let's not forget that europe is still united in supporting ukraine and its attempts to repel aggression , but in europe there is a rather noticeable minority that believes in the propaganda of the west. how do west comments how the west is fighting all that you just outlined. and in germany and great britain, and yet it turns out that those extreme right-wing people who watched this channel are now looking for ways to switch to this channel in order to watch this news in the future, because they are convinced that russia
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is right and let's talk more about it now, i 'm glad to welcome to the studio olga aivazovsky , the chairman of the board of the civil network opora. thank you for taking the time to join our studio live from london . well, there was just an assessment of the bbc's security correspondent frank gardner you also come across this topic a lot, the topic of the influence of misinformation on sentiment in europe. what are your observations and do you often have to ? it's too much, it's europe no, it's certainly difficult to hear such open opinions of pro-russian narratives from the analytical expert environment, except for those public speakers who , frankly speaking, work for the russian federation and it doesn't matter where they are physically located in washington, london or berlin, these are obvious facts. and at the same time time, i can state that both the support and the international
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center of the ukrainian victory, which i represent here today, are actually very actively engaged in the advocacy of ukrainian interests, and we see a change in trends, and it is rather positive, that is why it is interesting what data the expert refers to or whether they are representative. what specific audiences does it cover because in democratic countries public opinion is important because it influences politicians who make decisions and the latest political decisions are included in your stories, even today we see what is standing rather, on the threshold of the great breakthrough to help ukraine regarding the counter-offensive of the counter-offensive against the russian federation, which is obviously preparing unpleasant surprises and activities, so i i can say that russian narratives are present, but even among the list of countries you hear, for example, hungary, where the carriers of russian narratives are not only the media or propaganda from russia to where unfortunately, the hungarian government
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quite often produces narratives, and even in official statements we hear and see them but the voters as a group of influence on their own governments demonstrate rather about the ukrainian position and there are no ukraine-fatik sentiments e neither in the european union nor among the western partner countries, which is very important for us things, a very important issue to which i still want to return is a small environment. well, just there from my perspective, eh. i also want to share my observations. eh, i often have to travel for work in europe. the stockholm syndrome, when people who understand that there is an active phase of hostilities look for themselves to blame, not understanding that the only source of the problem is me today, the russian federation, how successfully ukraine has to be informed this is one word, this is the message to the
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audience in western europe. well, let's just remember who our president of ukraine is today and what is the level of support for him personally as a political leader in the countries of the western world, and this is a joke in the united states that there is a president who is popular. things are not a joke. that is, i am not a voter of president zelenskyi, i say this openly on the air. nevertheless, he is a politician and president zelenskyi after february 24th of last year is extremely popular and popularity is a measure of support not among politicians and counterparties and among society in this case we are more interested in how well he fulfills his function as a communicator with the western audience and whether he is still performing it as successfully as he did at the beginning of the full-scale invasion, well, this is a political leader, a figure who again
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communicates effectively, but this does not mean that we do not have internal problems that need to be addressed so that communication is not devalued by them, and in your stories today there were references to facts that all the countries of the world are now talking about. those corruption scandals, what uh. the last few days have become quite noticeable. there has always been the internet, because social media, especially telegram channels, which provide very fast information, this is fast food, fast news. however, it is practically impossible to verify it. when citizens go to this source of information , they do not look for others, they essentially find themselves in bubbles and unfortunately propaganda works effectively thanks to social networks and it is necessary to find a balance between freedom of speech and the right to propaganda, which is illegal and obviously
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unfair, and now i want to get to the topic that you have already touched on, there is no such fatigue from ukraine, but i remember how a year ago they were very careful in brussels when there was a fear of a new large wave of migrants, now ukrainians are millions of ukrainians who are in the european union. and not only is there no fatigue, but there is an introduction to europe from modern ukraine. this is how to understand the structure of a ukrainian refugee. a refugee is more like a woman’s face with a child on her arm compared to the waves of refugees that europe faced and so they are carriers of uh, positive messages. as you already mentioned, uh they form a stereotype, a good stereotype about ukraine in a predominant way. well, it is
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actually human capital that will partially remain in the countries of the european union in britain and so on. and i believe that the problem with refugees in ukraine is in ukrainian ones, which they still have to return to engage in reconstruction, it will be decided if ukraine becomes a member of the european union you understand it sounds strange in london but nevertheless it is a road back and very flexible for freedom of movement mobility of ukrainian citizens of ukraine thank you very much we have to put an end to this olga aivazovska head the board of the civic network opara, the representative of the international center of ukrainian victory, that's right, yes, guests are guests today in the studio of bbc news ukraine, that's it. today, we're on the air again tomorrow at 21:00 take care
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