water in social networks instagram telegram facebook twitter viber and two channels on youtube radio freedom and radio freedom ukraine until tomorrow art in a country of war a series of documentaries each of which will tell about one of the ukrainian artists artists who did not leave abroad and continue their creative work way in ukraine , there is an impression that history just entered now, yes, at some such moment, where everything just gathered into it, like a linear one, that's what happened there that we remember then, there was a kind of drag, and as if it is now all in at one moment and we see that well, everything repeats itself, but how the place and meaning of the artist and his work change. in a country at war, watch the new tv series from the studio doknotfilm and the association babylon 13 art in a country at war from january 16 on weekdays

from monday to friday saturday at 11:10 a.m. on espresso watch this week's program collaborators the price of silence how popular ukrainian tik-tokers silence the war i just want you to understand how it really is and the blood fun who entertains the russian audience during shelling of native cities, on wednesday , january 25 at 4:45 p.m. watch the program of collaborators with olena kononenko on the espresso tv channel . the dynamics of events, see

the latest news from frantz 24 in ukrainian on espresso, congratulations, friends, my name is vasyl zima, this is a worldview program on the espresso tv channel, and we will talk for the next 40, uh, seven minutes on a very important topic, ah, decay what is the end of russia's empire? into what parts can russia break up? of course, the war continues and the war is not yet resolved. we say that we will win. the enemy says that he will win. the world supports us. in any case, we live in reality, and this reality can be different depending on those or other reasons. therefore, we should talk about what we want and talk about the future we want, for which today the best ukrainians are giving their lives , people, men, women on the front line and not only on the front line, we will talk about the end of the empire into what parts can russia break up and i join the conversation today we have very distinguished guests and many of them will be interesting to talk and create such and such a platform

and discussion oleksiy mustafin journalist media managers historian mr. oleksiy i congratulate you good day vitaly kulyk, political scientist , director of the center for the study of civil society problems, mr. vitalya, i congratulate you, i congratulate you, and yevhen makhta, the executive director of the institute of world politics, mr. yevhenie, congratulate you, congratulations, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes before we will move on to the stated topic of our program about the collapse of russia, the prospects of this war in general and the future configuration of the world at least on the european continent. i want you to briefly comment on this event that everyone is discussing this morning . for hours, we didn't talk much about it, so i want you to talk about the resignations first of all. the prosecutor of ukraine, what does this mean, and today they also promise some more resignations, what kind of process has gone on, it is very important to understand this for sure. congratulations, let's start with you and then we will go one by one, please

, well, waiting for resignations for them has been said for a long time, you expected them and in society and political circles, in fact, there is a certain accumulation of negativity in the structure after such a shock with the war, they tried to restrain certain processes taking place in the government, this is a struggle for power in various groups, and on the other hand, there are corruption scandals that also accumulated, did not come to the surface , now it all exploded, came to the surface , accordingly, it is necessary to carry out personnel decisions, we can no longer delay the personnel decision , and accordingly, they have begun. i think that these are not the last decisions. 5 people from the heads of regions will fly to the next step - these are deputy ministers, heads of departments, heads of e-e tax police, e sbu prosecutors, that is

this will be such a series, i think that in another week or two we will hear many other surnames . oleksiy, i will ask you a question. and please tell me what you think, whether there could be any connection between the visit of the head of the cia to volodymyr zelenskyi and a whole series of resignations of these these stories that are happening will still happen at least at the top of the government, well, on the eve of decisive events in the war , in general, decisive events are possible in the history of ukraine, is it not connected and these are such external and internal political moments , please yes, yevgeny, then i will come to you now oleksiy will join us later, i will then ask you this question directly, please. i think that it is included, well, how can it be rejected when we understand the complete nature of pjorns' visits, he

first came on the eve of the large-scale russian invasion , told some things, and after it, well, i i really hope that in the end, after the end of the active phase of the russian- ukrainian confrontation, we will learn about many things that cannot be talked about now, but in fact, i am interested in one point in these resignations, and where is our verkhovna rada somehow they forgot that we have a parliamentary-presidential republic, well, er, kyril tymoshenko can be expelled as you like , the government there too well, but it seems to me that on such er, sensitive issues as provision of the armed forces and actual corruption scandals well, at least the prime minister era should have been seen at a meeting of the verkhovna rada. if we have a parliamentary presidential republic, it is not

a continuation and not a transformation of the coronavirus into a military-field monarchy. we simply seem to be changing the concept a little and changing the political content, it is not means that well, i understand the desire of the representatives of the authorities to play on the hype and as much as possible, so to speak, to remove the second persons, but i am honest well, thank god, i have been following ukrainian politics since the last millennium, i cannot remember when the resignation of the deputy head of the presidential office caused such a stir how did this not happen under yanukovych and also under other presidents, mr. oleksiy, i also have a question for you. please tell me how you evaluate it, what changes await us in your opinion and you as a media manager in particular

do you see it as more of a pr thing now, or a necessity, or perhaps external influence , to normalize the situation at least in the branches of government, and so that our partners can work with our government according to clear schemes with clear people who trust me, please? well, about this has been said for a long time. but on the other hand, well, i don't know, we have to leave. i think that we are already leaving the soviet understanding of resignation, as you know . the person managed. the person did not manage and left. why should you say so? well, how do you arrest your statements? he wrote that after his statement he said that he must have made a mistake. he left. he must submit a translation. well, it is probably time. let's then move on to the topic that i stated

for this program e- eh, the end of the empire. into what parts will russia break up? i just took the phrase of the deceased. unfortunately for the defender of ukraine, valery krasnyana on the pseudo-barse is a person who was the son of a cadebist and became a screenwriter. the french legion left now in he fought for ukraine, he said such an important phrase: pessimists do not survive in war, of course, in a war zone, both a pessimist and an optimist may not survive because there is constant shooting . of course, the society that will be more pessimistic will obviously not be driven out by the war. and that is why we want to talk about those things now that are not exactly pessimistic for them, and which concern the obvious collapse of our enemy and existential and political and military enemy, what is the russian federation ? vitaliy, let's make a

short introduction. i ask you to talk about this topic sooner or later. we are talking about the end of the empire. it could be the collapse of russia. talk now and whether this is really the last war of the empire or maybe not the last. maybe we are encouraging ourselves somewhere, i would always talk about it under any conditions, because this is the ideal future, that is, a certain picture of the future that we first of all program for ourselves, friends we we produce it and broadcast it to our partners as westerners. we also broadcast it to our enemy, to the media environment, to people who consume those information products, are interested, it then penetrates into consciousness, where it is broadcast by their propagandists, and in the end, it becomes their reality, that is, the future that we program, which we we throw in this picture, it can then become a reality after some time, and these are the main ones, if this

picture is formed and spoken at the main reference points, then it has all the potential to materialize later. that's it works and works work with the future therefore i absolutely agree what we should talk about it we should discuss it we should draw maps of the disintegration of russia we should talk about the stages of this disintegration about the reasons that will push us to constantly discuss it it should be in the discourse of ukraine , moreover we we have to talk about it with our western partners at all possible levels , because we haven't yet, unfortunately, we lost contact with mr. vitaly well, now we're getting the hang of it. i understand that now the light may disappear somewhere. there may be different, some other there are already problems, please continue if we are talking about literally back in may, when we talked with our western colleagues about the possible collapse of russia, uh, our

western colleagues, well, they did not want to talk about it, they will be a terrible dream for them, now it is coming to an end sorry, let's go now, ok , then let's try to set it up, it does n't recover, it crashes, let's finish my opinion, please. i think that these are temporary problems on the mobile internet, it breaks through, the main main thesis about what not so long ago, western colleagues would like to say that it was a terrible dream for a western intellectual or a western statesman when they talked about the disintegration of russia, it was something terrible because it was the spread of weapons, it is a deep civil war in russia which member hole will absorb all the surrounding spaces that it will create a large migration flow, they were afraid of all this now. they are drilling models and scenarios of disintegration, people who as recently as yesterday were still may in june. they personally

wrote to me that do not talk about it because it a nightmare, this is unrealistic, now they are ready to discuss it, talk about models of special operations, peace support, about the post-russian space, about the new configurations of the security assistance of the post-post soviet eurasia space, that is, what was non-scientific fiction back in may of 2022 in january of the 23rd year, there is a completely scientific cross disc for many photographers and political scientists in the west, and i consider this to be our merit, because then and now we are talking about the host of russia. here i am now i asked mr. oleksiy a question, do you know that in russia they repeat it like mantras, russians can lose, russia will always win, russia will always win, well, it’s basically ridiculous to talk about it, the dinosaurs are extinct, the sun will explode sooner or later, and it will also go out, everything in this life will end, all the more so

you know a certain uh new one theoretically. there are certain historical limits to the existence of the empire there for 300-400 years. they are somewhere maybe more less. but in principle it is, well, no empire has existed longer. this empire exists. well, there, let’s say great britain or something else, you can say something hybrid somewhere, but in principle, as an empire , as a phenomenon, it no longer exists . into which parts, if russia were to disintegrate, it could disintegrate, only the parts could exist separately and independently , i am not talking about very small nations, but if this were the case, why did i even take up this topic because last week, which is already the week before, they talked about what's in uh in the united states of america, a map of the collapse of russia appeared somewhere in some offices. well , that's why i decided to talk about it, please . well, you know, first of all, i wanted to respond to the mantras that russia can't lose. you know, it's like in a well-known joke. i'll

even talk about it, i'll talk about it, and then it's not me, it's not, you know, that is, i'm sorry for the analogy , but again, the fact that these mandras are repeated , they actually do not distance such a prospect of disintegration, and it is rather approaching here. i agree with italy, although i must say that if you say about russia itself, they started talking about the collapse of russia even earlier than in the west , unfortunately, the west still continues to adhere to the opinion that the collapse of russia is a negative scenario, and if these issues are raised, then the issue with people, for example, in the same america uh, by people who have been researching for years, they have been investigating russia, uh, for example, uh, oleksandr motil as a person, uh, he is a

person of ukrainian origin. speak public or even not public but above the arts i think it is still too early to say regarding your question, there are several models of disintegration, of course, the most realistic painting of any empire according to the national borders, so to speak, that exist within of this empire, of course, in russia, it is complicated by the fact that many of these national territories are largely assimilated, the majority of the non- russian population is only in a few so-called national republics, in particular, the purification and tatarstan, but in many of

more of them are russians. second, the second difficulty is that all these territories, in most of these territories , are, so to speak, inside the state body of the russian federation at one time, for example, even tatarstan, which theoretically was not inferior in terms of level of development. some of the so-called soviet republics had autonomy precisely because they had no external border. and all the national republics had such borders, and this naturally imposes a certain complexity. and the third point - this is generally because you will turn out to be the same tatars, relatively speaking. they live not only in tatarstan, but also in other national republics, in particular, or use, and in general, on the territory of russia, but again, when the empire begins

to collapse, then usually, such circumstances are not of special attention, they don't pay attention to uh, as for the options for disintegration on purely geographical grounds, i.e. secession of the far east, from my point of view, it's hmm, a more distant perspective and a more complicated process because uh- e hmm level awareness of local elites of their own national i say national at least regional interests are not yet at the same level but again we do not know when it will pass that level when talks about such regionalism are exotic that they become a real real perspective but again - still

, here i wanted to refer to the opinion of benahoju , er, back in september, it was expressed that in any case , it is necessary to prepare for the options of various options of various scenarios of russia's schedule, so as not to repeat the mistakes that were made in 1991, when they fell apart, so to speak say the previous edition of the russian empire under the name of the soviet union. i now asked mr. yevgeni questions, you know, i want to say, uh, here's arestovich, he's now on free bread, as they say, and he said recently well, it's me. i read in the tape that he he says because i don't no no no i don't look at the arrestee he doesn't listen but people are tracking him he says what does it mean the first 5 days of the beginning of the full-scale invasion russia tried to conduct a special operation in the language of the arrestee and zyachny and grateful well let it be so when there is a person in uman in on the first day, a missile exploded on a bicycle and i don't know if it was a hedgehog special operation, i don't know if there was a day when a house was hit in kyiv. obviously it was a hedgehog

special operation. but in any case. and when do you think russia realized that this could be the last war of the empire, now this war is not trying to be waged with all its might by mobilizing the economy and society, realizing that this war may actually become the one after which there will be no other wars. do you understand this in russia and how big in your opinion, the reserve of strength in russia is to continue to drive people to slaughter for the sake of saving the regime and, as they say, their great russian empire, please , in russia now, you know, interesting processes have begun. counted the numbers. apparently , they calculated the ukrainian losses over the same bottle with the liar general konoshonko, and it gives the impression that the russian army won both the

first and second world wars in the last 11 months without all kinds of other western allies fighting only with ukraine, well, we have to feed the population with something, these are the laws of the genre on the one hand, on the other hand, russia and we see it. i think it is increasingly obvious that i was preparing 11 months ago to come in a few days to change the government in ukraine, precisely to change the government not to capture all of ukraine at once, but to change the government in kyiv and then, with the help of those puppets who were supposed to come to power here under blue-yellow flags with tridents, to conclude an agreement with russia with everyone else, and then quickly dismantle independence, that is, yes roughly how it was under yanukovych. well, under yanukovych, some rules of political

decency were still somehow preserved, but then no one wanted to preserve anything like that, and it had to have the character of, you know, psychological pressure, psychological shock, because the effect in the case of the implementation of russian plans would be powerful, the largest country europe well, a lot of things are a fact, in the end, we got a not -so-elegant special operation, but we got the largest war in the world, the largest in any case in the xxi century and the largest in europe after 1945, which did not harm anyone leaves aside practically, well, that is, without a reaction to current events, there are practically no visible politicians, and this is also a serious factor . therefore, russia now, in my opinion, solves the issue of its positioning in such a

derivative order. that is, it tries to find out for itself what it will be and how it will be and what will be the way and act accordingly so that it will be for her, well, there is an opportunity to save face, there is in world politics a whole cohort of adepts of keeping putin’s face, various adepts and they are not always themselves, of course manifest, but they still exist, and that is why russia is counting on them, but ukraine must first of all formulate its own approaches and talk about the fact that russia should be dismantled, we should not talk about it in an aggressive manner, but in a constructive manner,

you know how the executive comes and speaks but before we build a palace of happiness here, we have to demolish this shack, that is, dismantle it so that there is no more trace of it. war in the event that putin managed to cross over ukraine, let's say, let's listen to volodymyr zelenskyi and continue poland , there was the influence of the soviet union, and the russians were able to return there, and then we are already talking to you about the borders with germany and the borders with germany on the side where part of the population of which you they said that there are people who believe that more weapons, more problems, less weapons are needed, look at the less weapons of ukraine, come to germany faster if the

germans are satisfied, what are the risks high authority, who are they going to stop putin? it's just interesting that macron and shultz and the second line of the russian president promised that there would be no full-scale invasion . for funny it looks just funny well, he simply said to europe that he would not gain anything and went on, that’s how it will be with the steel countries, the presence of russia where the soviet union was was an argument for him show your so-called historical contribution to the russian federation of the land collector of the

soviet union, which was, well , actually ended its existence . this is exactly what will happen if ukraine does not stop the russian federation. i was thinking about that well, maybe now i’m thinking because, in principle, you know, war changes, changes us and changes the enemy in many ways. europe is also changing little by little. there to the borders. well, to germany. i am not talking about rebuilding the berlin wall, of course, and is there really an understanding in europe that out, what authority would really stop putin. if he succeeded in crossing ukraine and going further or not, vitaly please well, in my opinion, the president is right in that no one would stop in ukraine , the appetite increases during the meal, and it is obvious that this is not the formation of some warsaw

pact, but the full-fledged annexation of the territory, the germination of the territory to of the russian empire, and actually speaking, russia showed it with the so-called referendums in ukraine, by seizing the territory of zaporizhia , kherson and donbas, that is, we are talking about crimea in the first place, and we were talking about the fact that russia was expanding territorially. it would not have formed a friendly perimeter there no, it would follow the path of joining the territory and increasing its size. then it did not apply to asia , kazakhstan and other countries, and wherever the foot of a russian soldier stepped, there it would end in the russian empire. this is such a dream about putin's historical task. i think it remains. still, despite the defeat at the front, putin believes that he can maintain territorial expansion at the

expense of ukraine, of course, then i don't include what will i add abkhazia and that southern site to russia? it is also possible. i don't rule out that there will be an attempt of some kind of ans to belarus, already formal , formal and legal, with lukashenka's thrusts, if if it is possible to freeze the front and then he will simply sprout what he hasn't had time to capture, that's why these ideas are not going anywhere the idea of ​​the territorial expansion of the russian empire is disappearing, the transformation of russia into the russian empire from the federation, this is putin’s idea of ​​fixing where it remains, and now, that is, victory for him is a dash, that is, it is equal to territorial expansion, but a defeat in ukraine is the idea of ​​​​putin’s dreams, it breaks into reality so that if we not for

him, but for his entourage and part of the political elite, it becomes clear that this adventure and this adventure threatens the existence of russian statehood in general, that if the border becomes turns into something that can move and move in a voluntary way, then the mobility of the border can refer not to increases but, on the contrary, to the loss of territory, and when we hear the discussion of propagandists on the russian media, however, when solovyov asks questions even to such odious persons as the hidden one, he asks why they answered with a nuclear weapons for russia's capture of the territory of the kherson region, rogozin says well, it's almost russian territory, it's not quite russia. well, it's not quite russia. it can go

from the territory of ukraine to the territory of the immediate historical so -called russian federation, and the sooner it happens, the better for russians, first of all , because the alternative to the rapid collapse of russia is a deep civil war, which can be in time for a sufficiently long history, a deep civil war can end not just with the disintegration of the statehood of russia, but the breakdown of society, the loss of identity , necessitarianism, depopulation, i.e., a global continental catastrophe for russians, it is worth telling russians that this is a strategy for their own personal survival was dominant during