so so so now i see the mood in society we can't help but win and i'm generally the sociology of war, such a concept as sociologists, patterns of people's behavior and changes in society in the conditions of war, so that we can model there what, friends, what are you talking about united, it's not, well, not so much. of course , it's your uniqueness, but it's a natural phenomenon for war. and you will go through such and such stages. that's how psychologists are now explaining to us on the air these psychological swings that we change our attitude there, decline , elevation or so there are criteria in sociology you don't even need to be a sociologist here, you just need to be interested in these topics to see how society behaved,

let's say croatia, here, first of all, you need to look at who is the aggressor and who is the victim, because it is different in the balkans, you mean because if you look at the war in the balkans, you need to look at the israeli one society is already the ss generation we are living in, is it infinite or is it finite, but now today the support of the president is more than 70%, there is confidence that we are all on the right path, it will begin to decline. is it normal to hold on for so long to keep it in this state, that is, it is normal as long as there is a certainty of victory. if it does not happen, god forbid, that is why there is a question. in this sense, i think that it is necessary to tell people that we can win in the 23rd year

, even if we win in the 24th it is better for me than from now on we will say that there is no war for ten years, the psychotherapists just said on our broadcast that i would forbid people categorically to name a certain date when we take, there is no need to say a certain date, but by the end of the 23rd year, we really need success serious successes at the front in the 22nd year. it was kharkiv, it was kherson, and it helped to endure the 22nd year in the 23rd, too, something similar, and why is it necessary, because we can , this is our exalted state and faith in ourselves and -e ours well it's exalted itself he can collapse well we can't stand the overload you know we all live in stress and a lot of people can't survive this stress i'm even afraid to think how many civilians we've lost and i don't know nobody knows that but i i'm afraid to even

think about it, how many people died due to heart attacks strokes due to diabetes, because of which they are not directly related to the shelling, they are not related to the bombings, but it is all clear in the mariupolzia, these are those who are directly from this. and now i will tell about those who, apparently, are not directly but from the war i would like to receive some kind of medical assistance for a peaceful life, but in the conditions of war, we received food, there is no normal time, desire. well, a lot of things, but coming back to this, you know those who passed through the concentration camps say that the first thing we did was surrender optimists, they believed that everything would get better very quickly, but it didn't get better, and that's why they were the very first to die, but here the

situation is somewhat different. well, first of all, we are not in a concentration camp, but secondly, society supports each other, psychologically , in particular, and that's why i'm convinced that if in the 23rd year there will be something so powerful, well, crimea would be nice, i'd like to have already booked a hotel there for next summer, it's easier than donbas to win back, it could be crimea, it could be a complete liberation, let's say from the zaporizhzhia region, it would also be very -very effective and now we remembered crimea. sorry yevgena. now we remembered crimea and also argued and discussed on this topic what to do with the people who are now there and have been living there for 8 years in the temporarily occupied territories, mr. danilo

says that they should live with us and not us with them there is another position, there is a position that we need to think about how to return the minds of these people here, we are thinking, let's say, scientists are thinking about it, believe me. so, what do you think? your position is interesting and we are thinking very seriously here, not just to return people here, it is necessary to return a generation there are today's teenagers, they don't know anything else, for me, the most terrible thing is that the children who went to school in the championship, to god, then in the fall, today they go to the seventh grade. they only heard in schools against this ukrainians. who went there to the third-fourth grade? zakharchenko is the hero of motorola -heroy, hero, hero, russia, our ukrainian propaganda, well, above all, it was there, and we perfectly understand that it is very aggressive and, frankly, effective. and today, no, i do not agree with danylo, but i understand that they have to

live with us, but despite everything, we will return these territory with people, then what are we going to do to expel them or what should we convince them of our rightness, it will be very difficult to make this union at all, if the one we are talking about today is temporary and i think that even without waiting for the final victory, many of us will start to present claims to the authorities, we already see that yes. well, the president has already reacted. well, politicians and officials from the government, not the opposition, are already reacting. they say that we see manifestations of the fact that the people have united, and some representatives of the government are starting to play their game but they were playing all the time, they just couldn't

reach them, well, well, someone demined them from kherson, they didn't just appear like that, someone will open the way for them. well, here the work is for pro-russians. yes, i understand that they are pro-russian, but it was the ukrainian government. it is clear that about the pro-russian and not only this happened. i think that gostomel did not appear just like that, and zhulyany did not just appear like that, but politicians and the government, just like people after the 24th, united, and they followed the path of more than 7 united after all, someone stopped and looked that everyone went there and we will go and strengthen it by way of many, many, no. even if you know the feeling of self-preservation, the very preservation did not allow them to do it, the anti-russian mood was too strong in society and demonstratively in the political community, so it seems to me that ni no longer

united after all but you say that without even waiting for the end of the war, sensing the approach of victory, we will begin to return to the usual, this is normal in its own way, absolutely normal, but from my point of view, 70% of the support of the president in peacetime - this is not normal, yes there is no being in wartime it's cool in wartime it's normal and that's how it should be but after the war, well, in a democratic society and where will it come from and what and that people don't see that the president not everything is done as you would like it to be for the fourth year already it is interesting to see what will happen after the victory and after the victory it will intensify. well, what can i guarantee that the huge level of trust in the armed forces will remain, it is traditionally quite high in ukraine after the 14th year, well, at least it could not be compared with any other branch

the country exists thanks to the armed forces, well, our defense forces , this is it, now we are in the 14th year, the same thing did not happen, but less, nevertheless, the trust in the armed forces was high, the highest, it will remain undeniably high elements, the level of trust in the volunteer movement, i think it will be preserved, and then there is the court and a lot of things of course , davno conducted research a long time ago and came up with an interesting figure: 69% of ukrainians reported that they are ready to endure the current and future problems as long as it takes for ukraine to win the war. we call and measure the whole dimension of the question, that's not the point here, there are two blocks of questions. first, did we interview those who really represent the whole of ukraine, because the moods in kyiv, the moods in mariupol

, the moods in odesa can be different. did we survey the age structure of representatives of those age groups that represent the whole of ukraine or did we ask only pensioners, this is also possible and the third most important thing . and we are convinced of the sincerity of the answers . please tell me in the wake of that patriotism who is in ukraine today, who will say no, i am not ready to tolerate, go to the negotiations with the russians . it is about peace in the context of russia's desire. they lie in the plane of the fact that we have to admit our defeat, so we are talking about negotiations here

- we are not even talking about, even in some format, a cessation of hostilities, because everyone has realized that everyone is going to the end and that's why i don't like this level of support, people, well, why do they talk about what they are ready to endure in extremely difficult conditions, because on the opposite side lies the question of your existence in this country, war. war. someone said we should go, look what's here. it's a mess there, those who said that we should go somewhere, they all stayed here, everyone went, those who were silent and never said that he might not have even discussed it here either. for me what you said is that my house will be the first one i meet with my head and i have not given my house to anyone. it is clear that i will not give it away, so i think that this is an association. well, on

social networks, i went there a few weeks ago. i ask this ukrainian why they don't go out on the streets. and why should we go out? well, how can we demand from the authorities that they go to negotiations so that this barbaric bombardment stops? well, if they don't go to victory, then we will go out, but this is a conditional division yevhen touched a little on the topic of those who those who remained have already left, he already has, and you know, i am afraid that this division will generally be a little more groups, the armed forces will definitely be separated, the teroborona will be separated, volunteering will be separated, those who, say, spent the entire war in kharkiv, those who left in relatively safe areas and those who went abroad. i think

that this division will be no big deal. there is nothing especially when it will only concern individuals. it is bad if it affects political forces, when, say, there is one party will start to measure up to the second party , how much of it was already the 14th year, we remember, we remember savchenko, he was a member of the political parties in combat and that's all, that 's it. as soon as we see the deepening of this division, division , then there is nothing to worry about, the split, the split, and discord is the most terrible if it is a competition of political forces for the number of heroes, the passable part of the party, volunteers, doctors, and people who were there tangentially to some victories in the third number on our list is for the boy, the hero who sent the russian ship

, vote for us and it will be and it will be the return of us to the state when maps were drawn of three types of ukraine and it will begin this is all is it real is this avoidable is it us or are we after the victory, we will return to the usual state, even in this, no, but i say once again at this level. how can it not be maintained today? to be honest , it is possible and not necessary because there should be criticism, but i do not think that we will return to the state of martial law, after all, first of all, the leaders learned something well, at least something but they learned a second time. i think that the people learned and the main thing is that, you know, more people are trying to reach everyone and explain

their point of view. i can see it from journalists. by the way, what questions are being asked now, what questions were asked in this year, these are different questions, and what is the difference? i wonder if you are trying to understand the reasons today, and then you were just trying to ask. the topic with yevhen because we discussed he says that i stayed on february 24 and for me life is still going on 331 second day february 24 for me no you just have a different temperament different character there is nothing wrong there is no division this is absolutely not has nothing to do with the division, it’s interesting because i have a new stage of life, i just said against it, i’m already thinking about what life will be like after the victory who

else do you know, it has changed for every woman because, let’s say, we stopped thinking about what kind of blouse to wear or can buy it would cease to be something to pretend to be . well, as a very important priority, we can't help but ask about your position and understanding of what is happening with russian society. i don't know this very well . our sociologists, but i trust them even less there, because there it is a controlled society, even watching in public how they react to the war, here we are on the air from the first day of the marathon. the stories are terrible in buchynka and we saw our conclusion. yes, for example, the same tragedy in buchyn, the russians then refused to believe that it was at all real, that they could kill peaceful people

, and that it was not a question because it was the russian army there or not russian. and this it's just a fake, but here, when the tragedy happened in the dnipro recently, they rejoice, they evolved into their own, they are already used to it. this is true, this is the result of their propaganda, first of all, it is the result of propaganda that lasts not a year, not two, but what will happen to them if we take the model their mind when i i hear russian liberals who are in the west can speak frankly in principle. well, i like them, well, i can’t say that i don’t respect their views for everything. and they are all convinced that we are a democratic society, not us as ukrainians. and in general, all democratic societies in the world have to clearly

distinguish between the top of the russian government and the whole of russia, i am not convinced of this, i am not convinced of this at all , and when we are asked about the prospects of reconciliation with the russians, i say that i do not see them at all . no, the germans repented, yes, voluntarily or not voluntarily, that is another question, but they sincerely repented, and the russians now openly say that i do not support putin, but i cannot help but support my army, as a counter-argument to them, they say that the germans also supported their army at one time, remember what happened then well, first of all, not so many people say that they do not support putin, let's be honest, but supporting your army during the war is

not so scary here. the question is that they do not just support the army, if the army, well the russian army is shelling the position of the armed forces, well, shelling is war, but when they are shelling absolutely peaceful cities, when they are shelling, the infrastructure is critical. what do they not understand that the children are sitting in an unheated room? infrastructure in order to block supply chains of western weapons, well, it sounds simple, but belarusians are the same because we are now talking about the threat of a repeated offensive and there is a risk that lukashenko will get involved in this war even more well, i'm asking you, well, how many of that belarusian army, by the way, i think that it will not get involved as uh, absolutely, it's purely

pragmatism. and what will he use to maintain his power if he sends his army, his security forces , here to destroy them? well, what will he do next, who will putin protect him from the point of view of the demographics that we will leave after the war, who will remain in the country is a very important challenge here, the question is not even who the question is how many how many and how will we be distributed from the point of view of those people which can work, develop the country, give , give the country gdp development, and in comparison with the number of people who we have to serve economically, pensioners, socially vulnerable people, because the majority of those who left ukraine left, those who can do something , work, uh, most of those who left

can work yes, yes, that's what i'm saying. you said that more of those who can work have left, and i say that most of those who left can work. before the war or before the 14th year, there were 45 million yes 45.5 million in ukraine, these are the last data provided by the state statistics service, well, you can argue with them because the census was significant, but there are no other figures, but there are no other figures, we will assume that there were 45.5 million then somewhere in the 30th year well, most likely there will be somewhere around 30 million in ukraine, this means that from 75 to 50 people per square kilometer, the

population density is decreasing, is this enough or not? more than 100, just to be clear in the baltic countries let's just say there in estonia, it seems like 30 something like that, but the problem then is that how to farm economically, well, you can say farm this territory, you understand. if there are no people and it's not a forest, well , something wrong will happen in the territory. but in our economy well, natural resources are not forest . let's say that we are starting to have a problem, it will inevitably arise in the north of chernihiv , kharkiv, sumy regions, because it is close to the border

. the second question when the front passed twice the issue of mining and the issue of mining and simply that troops can approach and simply that it is possible to fire cannons and destroy houses, these are different things and how to develop them, well, kharkiv region will more or less hold back because kharkiv is by the way, kharkiv is fantastic, i work here, look, our academic institutes also produce candy. they work there from the basements. for example . it's just, well, here, above all, putin was counting on the fact that the kharkiv region will most likely hold out thanks to kharkiv, but chernihiv and sumy. i don't know what

to do. and what to do with strategic enterprises, can we leave them there? i understand that they are under fire all of ukraine, but it is fired in different ways, after all, different guns, then guns, and rockets and rockets, where to transfer them, transfer them to the west, there is not much there, well, from the point of view of logistics, yes, but from the point of view of the development of the territory of ecological capacity, the territory, where to transfer it, well lviv region is something else. maybe there is no place in transcarpathia. there is no place in bukovyna . how to return, and return as well as

attract, in fact, well, first of all, if we talk about our own, we definitely have a fantastic reserve of a sense of patriotism , at one time i was impressed at all in my phone. daily e-e of the data of our western border guards, including moldova, how many left, how many entered, yes, the first two weeks from the beginning, well, after february 24, almost 200,000 men of draft age returned to ukraine. they returned here knowing that they would not be able to leave again, the decree was already that says they came back to defend their homeland to help their relatives because there is simply no other explanation, at the same time young women

and children left. now i have a sense of patriotism in ukraine. not only young women and children left here, mostly women from kharkiv and kyiv, and according to the data of german and polish researchers, 70% of our women who left there have a higher education, this is an incredible indicator, it means that we are not just quantitative we are losing potential, and quality grades are deteriorating there, they mostly work with low qualifications, they work there, how do they manage? his age, well, at the beginning we talked, i don't remember with whom on the air of the marathon uh and uh,

someone someone will say he was one of the researchers of this direction, he says that if the children who went abroad in september will go to school abroad then the probability of their return to ukraine. you see how your thesis is, yes, it’s true , you know, in general, here, every month is an additional month of war. it brings us huge losses in terms of human potential. there are two processes here, and both go in the same direction. every month of war is additional destruction in ukraine. the economy is collapsing, housing is collapsing, people will have nowhere to work, return to find a job, and will have nowhere to live, every additional month of the war strengthens their adaptation to life abroad, they will adapt to you even

further. you understand, a woman who is used to orienting herself to the help of her husband or father or someone else , she will not go abroad with her children alone, because those who rely on their own strength, that is, effective, enterprising, active the educated, strong, and so on, not all of them left, and all of them left, but of those who left, the vast majority of them had a meeting, it was somewhere at the beginning of the academic year, there was a meeting of the ministers of education for seven months. well, ukraine was invited there, and absolutely all the ministers emphasized not only the extremely high level of training of our children, school students and university students, but it seems to me that the family where children of high school age or

are already studying have entered the university there, there is the greatest risk of not returning because of you know, the child already has a chance for a bright future there, but here it is unknown where to return , and the risk is related to the fact that, firstly, they will not return, and secondly, the reunification of families will take place after the removal. the question is where ukraine is the bright future of ukraine or we can say that when we dream that everything will end with a victory, in reality everything is only just beginning, but for today it is equal yes, but today the main goal of the first stage and what unites us as you said on our broadcast, it is the belief in victory that's why we believe in confidence and faith, and for other issues, we will be in the armed forces and we are confident in victory and that's all we believe in this point, it's incredible air thank you, dear livanov, professor, academician

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