[000:00:00;00] weather forecasts thank you, natala snydenko, in the end, i will say that the uefa super cup made russia a winner. the uefa executive committee decided to move the 23rd uefa super cup in russia to the greek city of athens. the uefa super cup is played between the winners of the uefa champions league and the uefa europa league. this will not happen in russia anyway. well, thank you for being with us. thank you for listening. in just a few moments, a news release from my colleagues from the ukrainian editorial office of bbc news will be brought to your attention. ukraine yes, we still have time to talk. well, by the way, there was a question about whether this super cup would be taken away from russia or not. there were even fears that it might not be taken away. well , after all, uefa is obviously friends with the head and has an understanding of the political situation and this competition took place in russia. because football left them as well as common sense, see you good

evening, we are with ukraine, the nationality is ukraine , the incoming tanks in ukraine will be the president of saju biden, he announced that ukraine will receive 31 tanks of abrams, the nerd battalion was previously germany announced the transfer of leopard 2 tanks to ukraine, how many will be transferred and when will the european court of human rights consider the lawsuit against the russian state for the shooting down of flight mh17 . so, ukraine and tanks are connected states and germany, let's start with germany, the german government announced the decision to sell leopard 2 to ukraine, chancellor scholz announced about this morning at

the government meeting, in addition, he announced that training for the ukrainian military will soon begin, germany also allowed ukraine to transfer these tanks to other countries , according to the german chancellor, the transfer was on the 14th of leopards from the reserves of the bundeswehr, the bundeswehr is only the first step , he added that the goal is the rapid creation of two battalions in ukraine armed with these leopard 2 tanks. to the minister of defense of germany that the country can provide kyiv with the first leopard-2 battle tanks in about three months, so it is right that we, in cooperation with international partners, will support ukraine

financially, including with funds for humanitarian aid needs, as well as the supply of weapons , took such a step, violating the traditional approaches of germany among the countries of europe. our country does this with great energy and on a large scale, and the leopard is the main battle tank, it was developed in the 70s in germany , and also with the aim of countering the soviet opponents, the leopards were supposed to deter soviet tanks that broke through to western europe when the third world war began, the leopard-2 was armed with the bundeswehr from 1979, in the form of various modifications, it

remains the main tank of the german army and also one of the most massive in the armies of nato countries, according to most observers , the ukrainian army has a chance to get leopard two in version two a4, it was produced from 85 to 92. well, the reason explained by the experts is quite banal, only this version of the tank is in sufficient quantity in service and in warehouses so let's talk about the characteristics of the possible donor countries. here is the leopard battle tank. it is a machine with a powerful gun and powerful armor. it can perform various tasks on the battlefield. leopards are easy to maintain . of leopards is a 120 mm gun that

can fire on the move at a distance of up to 5 km , and in addition there are two anti-aircraft machine guns . the crew is 4 people. and this crew is also protected by the way from nuclear and chemical weapons. the maximum speed of the tank is 68 km per hour. if we talk about the reverse gear, then it is 31 km per one. the operational range of the leopards is 500 km. and a few hours ago it also became known that the united states plans to send its abrams tanks to ukraine. us president joe biden confirmed 31 tanks 31 abrams to strengthen defense capabilities of the armed forces of ukraine is one battalion together with tanks, the united states will provide the training of the ukrainian military and provide spare parts as soon as possible, as

the press previously noted, this is an announcement, this is a part of a broader such diplomatic agreement with germany, according to which berlin sends leopards and also allows ukraine to give german-made tanks to other countries , the changes in the us position took place after a conversation on january 17 between biden and scholz, during which biden agreed to also consider the possibility of providing abrams ukraine contrary to the recommendations of the pentagon today i announce that the united states will send to ukraine 31 abrams tank tanks in one ukrainian battalion defense minister austin recommended such a step because it will strengthen ukraine's ability to defend its territory and achieve strategic goals, abrams tanks are the best tanks in the world, they are difficult to control and maintain, so we also give ukraine the spare parts and equipment necessary to get these tanks on the battlefield, and we will also start training the ukrainian

military as soon as possible in more detail, also what kind of tank is the abrams m1 on the american main battle tank, the most common is precisely in the american american army, some experts call it is the best in the world in many ways it resembles the german leopard. by the way, they actually had one predecessor, which was jointly developed by american and german designers, and american and german tanks have similar 120 mm guns, and the main purpose for which abrams was created was the same confrontation with the soviet tanks, although the abrams is considered the best modern tank, its use requires more resources if compared with the same leopard 2, and i am joined by my colleague, a bbc correspondent ah, in kyiv zhanna bezkidchuk e-e hello to zhanna, of course, they have been waiting for news about

leopards for a long time, but today, leopards and abrams , how did they perceive and meet these messages in ukraine, the news of the day, and maybe even recently, ukrainians really wanted to to finally receive some positive news after several strategic events and they are uh that's why today in ukraine they are rejoicing at the long range of these leopard tanks two many people are discussing it in social networks admit that it is very important and actually try to look further into the future is what ukraine needs as the next step, because the tanks themselves will not be enough to repel all the dangers, fourth -generation combat aircraft are also needed, and long-range missiles that could be fired and launched at a distance of

300 + km in order to actually repel a-a are possible new dangers, somewhere about the threat of a ground attack on the territory of ukraine from one or another direction from the north, south or east , this is actually what is very, very interesting to ukrainians, and president zelenskyy is talking about what is now it is no longer about the fact that such a weapon is needed in ukraine as such, it is undoubtedly very , very relevant and important now on the battlefield, but it is about the fact that in ukraine, er, now there is a shortage, it is actually about the quantity, about the fact that a- and we need a sufficient number of the same tanks in ukraine, we need to form a so-called tank fist. and these are hundreds of tanks, this is not one company, this is not even one battalion. not two battalions, this is 300-400 tanks, then we can say that a country the size of ukraine is protected from possible new aggression

or protected from possible new offensives, that's what we're talking about, and besides, ukraine doesn't have time, it's very felt here inside the country that, in fact, there's no more time to wait. these are the words of the german minister of defense thank you very much zhanna my colleague bbc correspondent in kyiv zhanna bikkachuk thank you take care about the need for western tanks kyiv declared almost from the beginning of the full-scale invasion of russia near the end of the year kyiv asked the provision of 300-400 modern western battle tanks, the first official reports that the allies may agree to transfer such tanks to ukraine to attack offensive weapons appeared at the beginning of this year, before that , the ukrainian authorities repeatedly expressed

dissatisfaction with the fact that the western allies do not want to supply them with tanks without which offensive operations are impossible german government announced decision after months of intense discussions in germany many people support aid to ukraine and even resent their government's delay and indecisiveness but yes there are those who fear that germany will be drawn into the war with russia, so the dispute has divided the country. at the same time, an expert from the german institute of international affairs and security issues is convinced that germany's indecision on the issue of providing tanks is primarily due to bitter historical experience. but until now, germany has actively supported ukraine and provided it with other types of weapons, the fact that the government has finally decided to provide tanks , the discussions that have taken place in recent weeks and months, this is a truly significant moment for

germany, it is important to understand what for historical reasons, all military issues in germany are very controversial in the past. germany learned a lesson which was that weapons do not solve conflicts and diplomacy does it better. in the end, germany had to go through another painful year realizing that its recipe for the current war does not work at the beginning of the war germany has done a lot, it supplied horvitz with air defense systems, but tanks are a very strong symbol for the german public, so today's decision is truly historic , there have been changes in the mood of the germans recently the majority did not support the provision of tanks, but in recent days this has changed, now 53% support the provision of tanks, because it has become more obvious that russia is not interested in negotiations. therefore, ukraine will need a military force that can force russia to come to them

, tanks can help ukraine act from a position of strength and i hope to force russia to negotiate, germany's reputation suffered damage called if you look at military supplies, germany and great britain are number two and number three in terms of support for ukraine after the united states germany sent missile launchers to horvitz anti-aircraft defense cheetahs. germany did a lot, but the public believes that the country agreed to this under pressure , belatedly and reluctantly. the liberals insisted on military support while the chancellor's party was reluctant in the end the chancellor decided

to resolve the situation and give the tanks an exercise to other countries , give them to me tanks and writing of countryeks and we will talk about everything in more detail, contact us, co -founder of the international center of ukrainian victory in warsaw olena halushka and specialist in the field of armored vehicles and retired lieutenant colonel mykola salamakha congratulations and thank you for finding it's time to join our broadcast, the first question i will ask you, mr. mykola, as a specialist in armored vehicles, why is there so much talk about these abrams leopards, why is the question so urgent right now, almost a year after the start of the war, the question of forming new mechanized and motorized infantry frigates has arisen very acutely, and in order for these mechanized and motorized infantry brigades to form the necessary tanks, as well, to be honest, such a question has arisen, by the way, ukraine had

its own tanks, how many of them are still left, how many are there, all that is in service, eh, that means ukraine had about a thousand units of its own tanks, some of them eh, were out of order, but at the same time, we received part of the tanks, eh, this is one of the former countries of the socialist camp, and this was the number of 420 vehicles and approximately the same number of tanks. and accordingly, for this we also need the number of tanks that the supreme commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, valery fedorovych, asked

the question to elena . came to terms with the idea that in order to stop russia's aggression against ukraine, it is necessary to launch a counteroffensive, and now, in fact, the west is giving ukraine the tools for this counteroffensive . is this the wrong reading of this step? very impressive and it was one of the main arguments that convinced our western partners that we need to give weapons not just for self-defense, but also for

a counteroffensive to liberate our territories and for the restoration of our sovereignty, that is, in fact, this decision was very difficult. as you know, the first official requests from the ukrainian authorities to receive these tanks , in particular leopards, went in early march. of ukraine in germany, in other countries, and by politicians and representatives of the civil e sector, but unfortunately we had the impression that our western partners are ready to support us to the limit of survival, but not to victory and this is the turning point uh first give us uh bmp western-style infantry fighting vehicles now give us tanks and later we hope fighter jets this is what will help us win the final victory in this

war i will definitely return to the role here this, including the public sector in this matter, is that you have to convince the western countries and provide ukraine with weapons , so far, a little clarification now . after the united states announced the 31 abrams, germany announced the leopards in you don't get the impression from this that it's only for survival, well, mr. mykola is right in that we need at least 300, and preferably 500 western-style tanks, that's why we will receive the first package now, which will be about 100 in total tanks, these are leopards and challengers, british and american abrams, this is actually very little. that is, this is only the beginning, this is only the beginning for the systematic conviction and further work that we

need more tanks, but the door is already open and this opens up a unique field of possibilities and it will significantly simplify further work , it is really worth clarifying that policy is often emphasized, only the first package will be further, but there is a second clarification, the first tanks will appear at the front in a month. to master the abrams, we said on the air that they are similar, but not very similar, and how much they differ from everything that ukrainian tankers had to deal with before, uh, that means ukrainian tankers with experience working with tanks they don’t have a western model, but those ukrainian tankers

who took part in battles, who have experience in combating the enemy , they very quickly master new machines for themselves, acquire new skills and will successfully use tanks in future battles. actually, we we can judge this by how quickly the ukrainian gunners mastered the equipment that began to arrive from the west, and i think that these 8 to a maximum of 10 weeks that our tankers have to master the new equipment will be used as effectively as possible and in two or three months, we will have prepared crews and tank formations, and then there will be combat coordination in the formations of different battalions, and i think that in three or four months we will have fully combat-ready

brigades to solve the assigned tasks, and also a little clarification, but when artillery began to be provided in ukraine, many people said that here the armed forces of ukraine take quality, not quantity, one himer with one installation of himers can cost, well, in terms of efficiency . more the same analogy it works with abrams like leopards that is, i don’t know abrams alone on the battlefield can replace 10-15 old soviet tanks or is this not quite so correct this is not quite a correct statement of the question why because actually speaking it is not the tanks that are fighting, the crews are fighting units are fighting, unit commanders and commanders, and headquarters, but western tanks

are the tool that, in terms of its capabilities , surpasses by two to three times everything that ukrainian tankers had until now, and strictly speaking in ukraine, there are now armed villages only six new machines of the same leopard class, the second a4, these are t-84 tanks. well, some of the tanks are trophy tanks, t-72b3 and t-80bm, which are also ukrainian tankers, successfully youtube battles against the enemy before continuing i want to look at moscow's reaction and look together with you. the press secretary of the kremlin , dmytro piskov, called it an absurd ass to provide ukraine with american abrams tanks. according to him , the opinion of the russian authorities is divided by experts

, but he did not specify who exactly said that they will burn up just like all other tanks previously, piskov spoke in a similar vein about the supply of german leopards to kiev by western experts, meanwhile, believe that german and american heavy tanks, together with the british challenger-2, the transfer of which, and london confirmed in mid-january, will allow the armed forces to move from deterrence of russian troops before their expulsion from the territory of ukraine well, we heard the reaction of russia, by the way, you know, i , olena, i wanted to ask you, and russia, too, and russian experts, too, are advocating certain probably in western countries, and you may have come across examples of their activities and how they try to convince western partners that it is not worth supplying

weapons to ukraine, well, their biggest argument is the so-called argument of escalation that by providing certain types of weapons, the west seems to also enter this war and russia will have no other choice but to use it as a nuclear weapon, we have already heard this and we know that some of our partners, unfortunately , take such nuclear blackmail seriously. er, they use er arguments of propaganda, that is, even with the same er germany , as you already said, for which historical er experience is quite a painful barrier that they had difficulty crossing, but the russians took advantage of this and also added fuel to the fire

how are german tanks going to kill the russians, that is, of course, they are trying to act as much as possible to receive western weapons because they understand what a threat it is to them on the battlefield, but on the other hand, well, that is, after the usa announced about e-e provision bradley bmp to ukraine we have already heard from the russian authorities that already four units were destroyed on the first day on the battlefield, that is, they are using absolutely brazen propaganda , brazen lies and, in principle, western countries are learning to fight this and not to believe and about one more e-e steps russia i would like to ask you, mykola, british intelligence has reported that the russians want to send their most modern armata tanks to the battlefield, if i'm not mistaken

, that's what they're called, but the command wants to send them to the front, the front doesn't want them even accept because they are in some bad condition there, uh, can you tell me about it? what do you know about such modern russian super tanks that the tankers themselves do not want to take them into service, so the russians in 2015 showed 10 tanks at the parade on red square t- 14, which they called aromas, but they were not battle tanks, they were marching models, and these marching models were used every year during the parades on red square, only their number gradually decreased, and at the last parade, we saw everything in the tank formation and column, there were three t-14 armata tanks and two. as spares, i.e., these step-by-step models are so

unreliable that the russians even leave not one spare for three vehicles, but two spares. armata has not been tested yet and there are only about 14, maybe 13 operational mock-ups and experimental samples, but it is still not subtle and, as a matter of fact, the military understands perfectly well that such samples cannot be put on the front, because this one in the first place they will pose a danger to the crews. of course, thank you very much for a meaningful and interesting conversation with the co-founder of the international center of ukrainian victory olena halushka, a specialist in the field of armored vehicles and retired lieutenant colonel mykola salamakha. thank you. take

care and now we have time for another very important topic . talk the european court of human rights in strasbourg recognized the case regarding russia's responsibility in the malaysian boeing mch17 disaster as admissible for consideration the government brought charges against moscow of the netherlands, who claims that it is russia that is responsible for the death of the passengers and crew members of the boeing, as well as for the refusal to properly investigate this case, the main - controversial issue that had to be resolved by the judges is russia's de facto control over the ukrainian territories from which the missile was launched at the time of the death of this crime , russia denied it, explained that it was about the territory of ukraine, which was apparently ruled by separatists, but ukraine, on the other hand, insisted that it was about the territory actually occupied by russia territory, today the court decided that i quote from may 11, 2014, these territories were seized by separatists and were under the control of the russian federation

. bbc correspondent anna holligan spoke about the significance of this decision - this is a huge blow to russia, because now this court will investigate responsibility state, and this will happen for the first time when the international court of justice considers the responsibility of an entire country in the mh17 case, so this is an extremely important decision. can consider the case and check whether russia essentially controlled the territory on which the alleged atrocities were committed at the time, it is also worth saying that ukraine, among others, appears in this case, which also filed claims with the european court of human rights against russia , therefore the court also issued a decision for the benefit of ukraine and that's all for today more stories on our website bigcine.ua on our pages in social networks we will fire again tomorrow at 21:00

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