[000:00:00;00] the don quixotes that accompany the tanks during the execution of combat tasks are not transferred to us, therefore, these are not defensive precision weapons, so how defensive would be a little second eh? somewhere for the expansion of the fronts, we have something so km er exit on the border er exit to the azov coast of the black sea of ​​the sea of ​​azov thank you very much that is, they give, they give in order to, among other things, go to the azov

the sea, the armed forces of ukraine, thank you very much, roman svitan, the colonel of the reserve of the armed forces of ukraine, was on radio freedom. so, germany can provide ukraine with the first leopard tanks in about three months , the german minister of defense announced this today in the first delivery, he said that there will be relatively new leopards and reserves of german of the army , berlin also promised to provide logistics and ammunition. why exactly these combat vehicles are expected in the armed forces of ukraine the most and what is known about the technical characteristics of the leopard, max grabovsky prepared for you the story is the main tank of the bundeswehr and one of the most massive in the armies of nato countries, in general, leopards are in service with 15 countries, in the official statement of the representative of the german government , there is a decision to transfer to ukraine a company set of 14 leopard tanks in version 2a6. this is a newer modification than expected, previously predicted transfer of leopards in version two of a4, because

there are enough of such tanks in the warehouses of countries, leopards began to be developed in the 70s and primarily to oppose soviet-made tanks . now, their potential rival can to become a russian t-14 according to the defense express portal, the car is equipped with a powerful turbodiesel, automatic transmission, and can reverse even before a complete stop at a speed of 8 km/h, turns on the spot in 10 seconds, the chassis was developed for leopards by the porsche automobile company, among the main advantages of the tank, it is powerful 120 mm gun that , thanks to the digital guidance system, can fire on the move at a distance of up to 5 km. most of the technical characteristics of the leopards coincide

with the abrams, and if the leopard-2 a4 version which poland promised to transfer and the gun installed is the same, but in the 2a6 modification from germany, the gun is more powerful and accurate due to the elongated barrel, the tanks are equipped with a modern computerized fire control system and thermal imagers with case optics . the crew is four people. tungsten and can protect against sub-caliber soviet-type tank shells at a distance of up to 1.5 km, and the 2a6 version also has enhanced mine protection during and although in general the a4 version corresponds the level of western machines in the early 1990s, the experts of the defense express portal note that russia's equipment came close to these standards

only in the mid-2010s and only in terms of some individual elements. by the way, it's his birthday, so he found out about the transfer of tanks during an interview with sky news . look how it was a year ago . just something. chancellor - sholt confirmed that he will give the leopards a meeting with him right away, a phone conversation with him immediately after our interview. i am very happy, i want to thank germany. i thank

britain and i thank the united states of america for making such decisions, but i am grateful to the whole world for the support of ukraine, but if we speak openly and honestly with you , then the number of tanks and the time when they can reach us have an integral and important role, and it cost someone in ukraine so that after all, this is the decision about which today it was announced in berlin and in washington that it was approved, the executive director of the anti-corruption center daria kalyniuk joins the broadcast, we congratulate you, today you wrote to yourself on social networks that representatives of ukrainian citizenship and civil society also contributed to this decision, because we only see the statements of politicians diplomats , deputies, who go to some meetings

, ask and convince western officials to give ukraine weapons, but it turns out that there is possibly such an invisible part of people in civil society who also are engaged in advocacy of these issues, so please tell me how difficult it was to convince the western world to provide tanks. it is extremely difficult. last summer, this task was almost unrealistic . it was achieved, and at that time, we traveled to many countries and and europe and the usa asked us to provide tanks, then in september we organized, together with the general staff, a visit of military girls to america and organized many videos for them , comments for the media, many meetings with

high-ranking officials so that the girls explained what means armor for ukrainian soldiers and one of the military personnel andriana susak , she went to an interview and said that here is a coin that i will be waiting for from a russian tank , i will guide you and in exchange please give me one abrams and it sounded generally funny at the time, but there was a lot of support from the society in the united states in order to give ukraine everything it needs for victory and , first of all, such important armored vehicles as tanks.

organizations organized constant visits to germany. it was very difficult, it was exhausting. because in germany, society and politicians are very reluctant to support ukraine with weapons, especially support of ukraine with tanks, and olafshorz was categorically against it. and our representative olena galushko was at a very important conference on issues ah , the restoration of ukraine and the reconstruction of ukraine in october, eh, this conference was called by the fomsholz, and we received an invitation, eh , to speak there, but we still, eh, used this one is for the advocacy campaign of elena galushka, our uh, we developed special t-shirts, uh, thank you for the cheetahs. we are waiting for the leopards, the cheetahs at that time, these are also weapons from germany, but they did not give us tanks, but

they did not want leopards, and then there were a lot of them behind-the-scenes meetings of public activists, the former head of the foreign affairs committee is nice, but we are now working together at a closed session of the munich security at the conference, she was invited and simply demanded that we provide tanks because we, we, simply embarrassed the politicians westerners, listen, you say that you will support us, but you don't give us enough weapons to win, and we can't defeat russia without modern tanks . that is, tens of visits, hundreds of interviews with western media. also additional communication work with an explanation of why tanks save lives and this is also a joint work of various

circles of civil society . organizations as a pillar of the un and we closely cooperated with our armed forces with the general staff of the united states in order to understand their needs and cooperated with such unique military personnel as the united states. due to the fact that they drove in civilian cars in the kherson region after the liberation of kherson, but now it is being restored, but i hope that by the time it is restored, the tanks will have already reached ukraine and she will be able to be the first operator abramska and she will be able to switch to a tank. well, look at the lack of this decision on tanks very often. well, first of all, there was no

doubt that this decision lay in the political plane, and secondly, the diplomats with whom we had to talk said that the lack of this solution lies in the fact that in the west there is no common vision of how russia should come out of this war, so everyone was worried about what will happen to russia and how will it fall apart and what will happen after that and can we say what if now there is a solution on tanks and tanks are giving, or could this indicate that there is some kind of common decision in the west regarding what russia will be like after the war and that they are no longer afraid ? there is still no understanding of what the strategy will be in relation to russia after the ukrainian victory in the west. unfortunately, for me, the indicator that this strategy

has appeared will be two decisions from america and other nato partners, decision number one is to transfer the latter to ukraine critical important technology. and these are modern aircraft, we have now invited the americans to the f-16 e and there are no valid reasons why not to give this technology to ukraine e. without control over the ukrainian skies, we will not be able to finally defeat the russians and the second solution is to limit the e-e limit the distance at which we can shoot with western weapons, if fighter jets take off from russian territory at military airports, then ukraine has the full right under the laws of war to shoot at these military airports to destroy fighter jets

, as for how they start, if we know for this purpose, we know that from certain points in russia, missiles are constantly fired at us, as happened, for example, in the dnipro, and they destroy civilian houses and destroy them. the ukrainian army should be able to destroy the points from which these missiles are launched . unfortunately, such a ban still exists the maximum range of the weapons that we have been given so far is 80 km, and therefore we cannot even reach the logistical forks of the russians in the occupied territories of ukraine, they shoot from crimea, they use crimea as a military base base uh, here they are shooting there uh, in some

areas of zaporizhzhia , in the occupied territories of the zaporizhzhia donetsk region, eh, this is a problem because our hands are still tied. which decisions were made will reach us in a few months. that is, we still need to hold out without this equipment until the spring. and maybe even later, that is, training must take place. our logistics officers must learn how to, er, maintain these weapons, because it is far from it’s just that at the same time several of the latest types of weapons can’t be kept, it will take time. well, the final decision will be there . well, it should be easy for you, while the ukrainian military will learn to work on tanks

. you have time now to transport pilots to meetings with western politicians for interviews to the western media to the western media to introduce them to ordinary germans americans and so that you don't already know the pilots then they convinced why they need fighter jets and by the way i want to add that also in the president's office the other day they hinted about what's next rammstein will be aviation, probably this is also about project 16 it was about which you just mentioned so it must be about f16, these are american planes and our armed forces have made the final decision that it is these planes we need we cannot have three types as in the example with tanks there are five types of nato tanks. we need the r16 and this is the most complex equipment. we actually transported pilots. we transported pilots to america in june. we also welcomed our english-speaking

beautiful pilots to the congress. uh, so do we we organized interviews for them together with yulia marshevska , we worked in this direction, and there was also huge support from the general staff . of the armed forces of the general staff and the ministry of defense there were several official requests to america to provide us with f-16 and now there is no reason why they should provide this equipment if in april on the pants told us that it was new, but there are no trained pilots, we answered that let's teach because we will still come to

the fact that we have f16 and you will give it, let's not waste time and we demanded start training already and then you, it's a decision made anyway they cannot use this argument now, because the answer is this: well, listen, we could already in 11 months of war, and our engineers could learn. therefore, this is a purely political strategic decision of president biden, er, and it rests on his understanding of the strategy in relation to russia, because how only f-16s enter ukraine. this increases our advantage of our armed forces many times, it will save many lives of our servicemen, these are planes that are many times better than the best fighter models of the russian federation, they have excellent radars

, they have excellent missiles, they are difficult that is , we will be able to work with our aviation, and it is very important that we be able to work with our aviation at the logistical branches of the armed forces of the russian federation in the russian federation. we will wait for the next rammstein, but i have one more question for you. it directly concerns corruption and anti-corruption. please tell me, and at these meetings, maybe in the last few days, you also had some conversations and meetings. are you aware of expensive eggs in the ministry of defense ? make some comments about the possibility that the ministry of defense may have corruption during the war about corruption and the need to have quality management in the system of defense bodies eh i personally hear in eh usa starting from

april, that is, we unofficially first then we were already warned at official meetings that sooner or later they will come to you with questions about where the equipment you receive goes, how you manage various processes in the system of defense agencies, how you manage your funds, because we provide you with weapons with our funds, and what you buy from the government of ukraine, that is, a lot of questions were already sounded, and then privately in april, i remember. at the end of april , we arrived, we immediately looked at the meeting with oleksiy reznikov, he refused to meet with several as his deputies, we communicated with various ministers, who were more open to communication with

valery zaluzhnyi, that is, then we tried to decide privately to prepare our state for inevitable warnings, to regulate corruption risks, certain processes had to be carried out to move, but well, only through and only publicly, that is, i had to write an article in the summer that the minister of defense did not like very much, the essence of this article is that the level of weapons that we will receive from our colleagues depends on the level trust us and it is very critical to have a digital weapons logistics system so that our partners can see in the system where it goes and which brigades are these weapons supplied to, then the processes of implementing the nato consequence of the nato long-face system began

, now this system allows our partners to see up to the level of brigades, where western weapons are coming, and i went on to say that this is one of the reasons, one of the reasons why the level of providing us with weapons is increasing, that is , this trust, it is there, but there will be more and more questions about the support of ukraine in the united states will not have a permanent uh because the political season is changing, they will have presidential elections next year and already the rhetoric is different in congress, they have come to power now, the political power is different, the republicans have a majority in the house of representatives, and for them accountability and control is the number one priority so any uh any non-regulation of defense

purchases even eggs that we buy by the kilogram is a big question mark i got it i just want to summarize here what you said is very important the level of weapons is equal to the level of trust in ukrainian officials, thank you very much daria kalyniuk and the executive director of the anti-corruption center were on radio liberty, thank you well, we continue to follow in the footsteps of the expensive eggs , the ministry of defense dismissed bohdan khmelnytskyi from the position of director of the department of procurement after this scandal actually broke out due to the purchase of products for the military . head of the anti-corruption committee of the verkhovna rada, anastasia radina, after the anti-corruption committee heard the minister of defense oleksiy reznikov regarding procurement of food according to the councilwoman, the minister now has no legal claims against the author of the journalistic investigation about the procurement of the ministry of defense. so, two people have been fired from the ministry

of defense because of golden eggs, so to speak. these are the director of the department of procurement, mr. khmelnytskyi, and the profile deputy minister vyacheslav shapovalov, who was actually in charge for the rear support of the armed forces of ukraine, he himself resigned. well, what's next, is this corruption , if it really was there, connected to individual people, is it possible system problem and who will solve it, the people's faction joins our airwaves, the voice of the first deputy chairman of the committee on anti-corruption policy , yaroslav yurchyshyn, good evening good evening so, if you check the clocks, journalists report inflated prices in contracts, the ministry of defense says that this is fraud, manipulation. two people are going to save him, and now i have a question. and who and in what time frame should now establish where there is deception, where manipulation, what exactly these two people went for and most importantly, was there corruption, and first of all, our anti-corruption bodies acted on an active

and national agency for the prevention of corruption, and it actually started early, although if the procurement system was based on a contract, it was based on a catalog. i apologize, it has existed since 2016 , but before a scandal broke out . the national agency for the prevention of corruption tried to get information about possible problems of this system and turned to the head of the relevant department, mr. bohdan khmelnytskyi, for clarification. ignored as a result received his own administrative proceedings for failure to comply with the appeals of the national anti-corruption agency , i.e. did the anti-corruption authorities act in anticipation, did they try to act in this way

because the actual prevention failed. -and the waste of funds actually investigating here is well, the fact itself is possible from the language between suppliers and customers that of course, on the part of customers, it is an excess of their positions and, accordingly, suppliers in this case can also gain a certain benefit by knowing in advance how the entire system is actually organized, and of course we are now trying to solve this issue at the legislative and organizational level. menu standards for soldiers, increasing the number of menus, i.e., increasing variations can

actually remove a certain level of the problem, and therefore 52 possible menus are currently being developed, and accordingly, they promised that in 4-5 months this system will actually be presented, but uh, what is the problem? in principle, the catalog is that there is a fixed price at which a soldier must be fed for a day and he must gain a certain number of calories. and actually in the catalog there is a whole list of items from pineapples to the infamous golden eggs and each part, in principle, can form for itself depending on what kind of cuisine they have chosen and the products they need, but very often it happens that the supplier comes , and actually the part asks. well, let us be

please, pineapples from the supplier, well, there are no pineapples, strictly by agreement, i can change the position three times, actually, i can, then , please, i don’t know there is beef and beef instead of pineapples. okay, it’s good that you have potatoes, and here are potatoes and we forget, that is, the system itself is really here actually, yurchyshyn, a short question in these conditions, against the background of such a scandal, how does it happen in western democracies, does the minister resign in such and such cases, or at least he is removed from office or not, ah, in western democracies, well, the minister at least apologizes from journalists and is trying to prove that he was misunderstood, that he meant manipulations and appeals to the security service not in relation to journalists and in relation to those who misled journalists or gave them, according to him , addenda to contracts that are not yet valid, and

the like. yes, actually an attempt to do this by er took place a-and the second point is the actual internal investigation. well, i understand that no one waited for its results, they simply suspended those involved, and the external investigation, if there are internal and external ones the investigation confirms that there is a problem, so there should be political responsibility and those who covered those who in principle did not oppose, regardless of the position or surname, the number of people i know in general on a global scale, so they are forced to resign and answer very often not only politically, and before the law, you can understand varshikov what he says, well, friends, yes , i am on rammstein, and i am there myself, but political responsibility for what it is, if povalo or khmelnytsky were in the team, this is

the responsibility of mr. varshikova in particular, or warned about the problem, the accounting chamber conducted an analysis of the effectiveness of the use of well in december of the 21st year, even before the war, conducted an analysis of the effectiveness of the use of funds for the purchase of the so-called rychovka, not only food , fuel and lubricants, actual clothing for the military, and also indicated a number of system problems well you can understand december 21, february 22, systematic military operations begin, and full-scale in february, no one was involved in this , but as colleagues from the public sector say , they began to be in bath almost in may, that friends we may have problems, son, get ready with control systems, we just have time in front of you, i just want to point out that adaria kaleniuk was the executive director of the anti-corruption center, she actually also called april the month when she started to draw the attention of the ministry of defense to

the transparency of everything that is happening there, thank you very much yaroslav yurchyshyn, people's deputy of ukraine, faction, voice of the first deputy chairman of the committee on anti-corruption policy, we talked about the presence or absence of corruption in the ministry of defense, thank you very much. well, me too i traditionally encourage you to subscribe to the pages of radio svoboda in social networks instagram telegram facebook viber and also two channels on youtube radio svoboda and radio svoboda ukraine svoboda life will return to the air tomorrow cinema evening sports music education free people have a choice