[000:00:00;00] and vlad shapoval didn't do anything on this side, uh, it was the way it was, and that trillion was standing here nearby. there was an arrival from two sides . we go to the first one on the list of the yard . they are digging up and taking away, and this is already circuses near kharkiv, the village survived the occupation , moreover, after the liberation, it was mercilessly shelled during the summer in the house of andrii's brother, the invaders still lived, destroyed it, and it is not known what they left behind except the ruins, so sappers were called to check the area. this is exactly what should be done, the rescuers emphasize that it is extremely dangerous for children to enter such houses first

. it is scary, and this is oleksandr's house . it was also broken by the occupiers. it is small, but if it explodes next to it, it will cause disaster, says saper bohdan, it is very small, it is very easy to miss it, we didn’t, well , when we used to come here, we wouldn’t even see it, and there are a lot of such things now in in the yards, the patched-up danchenko court society remained. there are a lot of them. but this is already a large anti-personnel mine and very insidious. armymen also call it a witch. it jumps up, bursts in the air and kills everything around with fragments . the invaders left this one on the outskirts of the garden, and the owner of the house literally miraculously noticed it. fortunately , the occupiers did not have time to install it correctly , you see, and it is very difficult, if it is installed, well

, how to install them, you will see, and it is very difficult. moreover, this territory was a long time ago where it is already occupied and since the grass has fallen it is very difficult to see it now it is very difficult to see the mines the sappers emphasize the grass has fallen the rains have smeared the ground they are asking people not to walk on the roads and in the forests at all no one knows how much russian junk is left there and first of all the pyrotechnics now they are checking houses and approaches to communication and have already neutralized almost 50,000 projectiles in kharkiv oblast, all of them. these are the pieces of projectiles that are lying around. they then send them to the missile cemeteries in kharkiv. sugarcane fighters are shelling the region, the territory is huge, here are pieces of cruise missiles, artillery and remnants of cluster

munitions, each of these fragments will help prove the war crimes of the occupiers from the kharkiv region, rena antonyuk oleksiy zhuchkov, we are ukraine, marathon, the only news, ukraine receives help from the united states in countering russian information and psychological special operations , he announced this representative of the press service of the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense of ukraine, andrii yusev, and according to him, evidence of this was stopped by disinformation companies, including in there is an exchange of information on social networks, including at the level of special services and , of course, in the field of information security. if we talk about interaction with private companies at the level of social networks and google and facebook, there is a significantly improved interaction and many successful examples of stopping disinformation companies or individual ipso data verification projects professional journalistic work is an equally serious help in countering hostile disinformation, and this, in particular , is done at the expense of american

taxpayers andriy yusov representative the press service of the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense of ukraine, the dobrokhotov plan, the founder and editor-in-chief of the online publication where the insider joins our broadcast, roman , good night , good evening. in space, it uses the so-called information and psychological operation, and it is not the only one, there are many of them, but according to your observations , first a full-scale invasion, and in general , the beginning of the war in ukraine, which has been going on for more than 8 years. psychological special operation of the russian federation, what changes has it undergone, well, how could i say that these operations have become much easier because all the resources to use information were involved , and the russian security forces have mainly occupied me for a long time, first of all, there is a special subdivision of the main

intelligence department according to disinformation , there is a separate unit in the presidential administration. well, they are mainly directed to the inside of the strange, but in the outside, the game works separately, the fsb is already there, and the sites and projects, well, the naturalness of prigozhyn's troll, in general, they have their own agenda a-a from their state and they do not coordinate it with other departments by and large. that 's why there is a whole large infrastructure here, and it works non-stop already. i would say mainly since 2014, especially active i am not sure that this is, by the way, connected with the beginning of the war in ukraine, but just at the beginning, a factory of trolls once appeared. because of the information, this is a very important political topic, and i would say that half of the fakes are thrown by the russian

authorities, and somehow they are related to ukraine. now, there is another operational information. that the danger has not passed and they urge you to stay in roman's shelter. please tell me, based on your observations, how this machine is arranged, what resources are thrown at it, and on what principle does it work, just for understanding yes, it’s just the state media, which also performs the role of disinformation, if we are talking about yours, yes , similar channels, and sometimes they publish themselves , uh, they make some kind of fakes, sometimes they download something directly from the fsb’s special feature is within russian topics or from other bodies. it means that there is a separate information resource from the channels that belongs to a-and it may belong to a special pro-kremlin oligarch like

prigozhin or malafeeva. the division after the information connected with the name defense game, they have websites, they have their own people abroad, including abroad, not only, of course, the russians who are engaged in this distribution, there is a separate uh project, funds like there uh, vladimir yakunin and others in of which there is a pool of so-called political experts, etc., who hold conferences there, too, and they also spread information by word of mouth and in the form of all kinds of films and books, etc., that is, it is a huge industry in which they are involved there are millions of dollars. there are hundreds of 1,000 people. well, that’s roughly. i don’t know how american media is, but only on the scale. yes, but only with disinformation. in your opinion , in general, how effective are the methods of the information and psychological operation of the russian federation , because they are ukrainians with the beginning of a large-scale invasion

, they have already convinced themselves once again. i think finally who is who, well , it seems to me that they are not very effective, in the main it is definitely the spraying of state funds, where are the criteria for effectiveness in general if there is any it is unlikely that he pays much attention to it. well, you are complicated enough to die, yes, how to check whether your disinformation company worked, only in the very long term, you can see if it has any effect and within the country, it works more or less, because it works because er, there are very few alternatives and a very large share of the population still watches television as the main source of information , therefore, especially in the provinces, it works, well, by the way, it works even worse, that is, ratings and political programs on they have already fallen to completely insignificant numbers of people when they were fed political programs and they don't want to watch any nightingale show there, that's why they didn't come up with it, they start beating their faces already in the studio, not only they don't

come up with it, but people watch it they want me, it's interesting, one and the same thing at a time, so in fact , it's strange, too, that the popularity and level of trust even among a loyal audience is falling, including the situation because of economic problems and the lack of military victories there. and how would people stop simply believing eh even those who believed a-ah this is information and abroad i think that there was no special effect because people have an alternative except that in the russian-speaking diaspora of the countries of the former cis there are also people who do not speak the national language этот есть такой балтийских соходимы in kazakhstan, in other countries in the cis, where people don't speak er, in the national language, they speak russian , that's why we watch russian television, they can also be quite heavily zombified that's it. well, as a rule, some small part of the population, so it's not connected to big political problems. normally, i want to go to the current

issue. what was it like? well, how do you see it? that we understand that the event is not ordinary for them, to put it mildly , because they spent a lot of time telling that this will either not happen, or if it happens, we will show it to everyone there, and so on. the americans, the germans, this is the red line, they will begin to introduce everything tanks to ukraine, this is an escalation to perhaps even a nuclear war, and we must definitely hit kiev with another bomb, they have been talking about this for several months, and the idea was that the west's identity would show that putin is so unmanageable that he does not think that he is ready to go for it, and this is the red line, like all other red lines, it was crossed before that, and i think that he

prayed that he doubted that this would happen because yes, the same thing happened with anti-missile defense, which began to be supplied by the patriots too. i blink at the meaning. how is this a patriot? before that, there were also about foreign mercenaries and so on and so on. that is, there is a red line that they pass there with regularity every month. there was just one of them well, accordingly, the rhetoric has changed, now they no longer talk about the fact that we are now nuclear bombs of all sambir is now starting to talk about the fact that this is actually completely unimportant, these tanks are completely ineffective in winter at all well, in general they come up with all kinds of excuses why, in fact, the society is afraid, it is not necessary to go to war, it will not have any effect, but it is more difficult here, not only what the russian propagandists say . it's just that germany agreed to supply tanks, and that in fact this opens pandora 's box, since not only is it possible, but now all the other western countries will also supply german tanks from germany itself - this

is what other countries are doing in principle. too, with a much higher probability, they will substitute heavy equipment because if germans are possible, why can’t they , too, color the line ? the most important event because, well, it is actually a game-changer in some sense , because now there will be a lot of military equipment from all western countries, and i think that it can be even so decisive moment and how do you think this affects russian society, that is, i understand that there are no objective markers when a dictatorial regime rules the people but nevertheless , according to your feelings, the information that ukraine is receiving more and more weapons from the russians as its they put it to her well, in general, it was very interesting here, the observer observes the parcel on the assist, a separate project of fake dances that monitors propaganda and throws disinformation, we, er, carefully

watch him very closely, we observe him for a long time for many months, it seems to me that at the beginning of the summer, there is a split messenger for the russian audience, one message is that the west has abandoned ukraine, and in general, no one is going to help now, the war will be over, the question is already thinking, now only the coming frosts, eh, that will be next in winter, without gas , they don’t know what to do, and soon they wo n’t present the technology at all, and they don’t even present everything anymore, they forgot ukraine, one message, i’m right here, chronologically, at the same time, ah, too, guest channels they talked about the fact that we are actually at war with nato, because look at all these nato weapons and the best weapons, the latest western technologies are used . the weapons are either not supplied, or abandoned, or they help themselves, that is, it seems to me that it is simply propaganda in itself that is poorly

organized, that is, centralized , normal, normal methods in which everything would be logically explained, therefore, uh, i i don't know what's going on in that russian's head, who still watches all the propaganda channels. i think he must have a cough again because , well, i wouldn't have figured it out, yes. if i tried to believe that for example, i don't really understand what exactly i should believe. that's how to change the society of cellology. how do you say it correctly? now it's impossible because people are sociologists talking to me, that is, we have the time of the sponsor in the name of all the real independents . interrogation seasons percent eh, there are usually two , four percent, and many people also refuse everything

, there will be a process of conversations if there are questions about the so-called special military operation. - a poll, all professional sociologists talk about it. so we don't know what russians actually think, and i even have the feeling that russians themselves don't really understand what they were thinking . with a friend on forums and so on, so people have some fog in their heads, they try to think less about it in general, but it's one thing when, for example, an average russian family is watching on tv about what bad americans are. of course, in quotation marks , they send tanks to ukraine and other this is when they see how in their village in the town of e soldiers are brought in black bags and how the number of graves in the cemeteries is increasing. has increased sevenfold. this is very clearly visible on satellite images

, so one cannot help but react to this. it is a difficult question. we remember that where was the war in afghanistan when there were looting all over the country, and it was already there . when the perestroika began, it was possible to discuss all of this. but i wouldn't say that this would be the main political topic , that is, everyone was discussing it , that is, everyone had some familiar relatives who had someone who fought in afghanistan, that is, it was all discussed. at a later level, but even again, during the perestroika, this did not become an important political topic discussed in society . so, it definitely affects in some way the worldview of people, the feeling of eh. but this eh seems to me until it will call for a radical political system, there will be no change in the practical system, it will not be discussed publicly, and probably only through some focus groups, through deep in-depth sociological research , for example, because of a change in people's expectations, and also because of

their confidence in tomorrow's dnieper, and so further see that they are changing to self-made structures and here are all the news about the graves and so on there is one such indicator that it is actually a very large -scale history, and we do not know exactly how many and how many of the dead we are talking about, but even that the funeral industry itself is now unable to cope with the influx. clients yes, let's say that you are doing something quite large. i'm afraid that lately all these figures have grown a lot. that's how you correctly said in uh, the last 2 in the cemetery are connected with the wagner man. nad solidar, where can we see that everywhere ex-convicts leave completely without body armor and

no one counts these dead? so , in the last month, the number of dead is increasing. i think that this is most likely a trend in the near future. roman dobrokhotov, the founder and editor-in-chief of the online publication the insider, was with us on a live video call and talked about the prosperity of the funeral business, in particular, in the russian federation. i wonder what happened to the broiler. the process of supplying ukraine with american and m1 abrams may take months, but military training will begin soon. and maintenance crews announced this in the white house, instead, there will be enough time for proper training and preparation of technical support for this heavy equipment. russia has fallen behind and needs to speed up efforts to help ukraine, the prime minister of great britain spoke decisively with the leaders of the usa, germany, france and italy , he called on the allies to increase and speed up the supply of weapons to our country, sonata also welcomed the decision

of partners to provide heavy tanks and reminded of his own initiative to donate squadrons of challenger-2 tanks last week, anders aslan, diplomat, professor, george town university, senior research fellow , eurasia center, atlantic council, with us directly, mr. de andersen, welcome. good night good night good evening mr. andersen, in your opinion, why did germany hesitate for so long and what made it so quick to make a decision ? what is the partner of the coalition and what are the many european countries that are now ready

to send their tanks to ukraine, of course england has been here for the longest time show off the ego of the city, this is the democratic party in germany, the last people who remained opposed to sending tanks to ukraine, it seems to me that it is not just strong . and what do you think it was caused by? that is , it is some rational fear, fear or something. -e personal, their possible internal political e-e that gave a cooling solution to the problem of vinnytsia politics as germany comes to you and we have elected streams two from nastayeva for good

relations e-e from russia yes yes последняя обстрелы меня послушаем позиции дного места let's say there are enough lonely ones inside the european union and the old tradition of the german sort of democrats 60 good relations with the russians from the fact that they are the most important thing they believed that they could transform russia through trade. now we know that this is not true. well, this is... he understands and in the end there is no strong fascism in germany to send all

the tanks to ukraine so that it is not really the german government but the german people мы панял как змедилось россии and what do you think of the decision about tanks approved by scholz, it puts a cross on this policy and on the special course of relations between germany and russia . -he organizations, but now they say that the tauriyian liberals are smart and do not expect ukraine and the tower to replace the ministers of foreign people. germany anabel, who was twice in ukraine during the war,

said that germany will be after the tanks. also allow other countries planting a german tank in ukraine, she said that three days ago, and then she quickly changed her position . the german categorical no to the supply of tanks to ukraine, it turned into an affirmative under the pressure of our partners, and at the moment it is already saying something about the no to planes for ukraine, so will our partners be able to convince germany in the near future to unblock the supply of

planes to ukraine and more long-range artillery i think that now we will come closer faster faster and they say this place was all the last meeting eh rammstein and there were no poor people that there are many shows around the world 11 eh countries eh well well, whatever, they really wanted to give more military support to ukraine, so then germany really looked like a strange person, who did not follow the european union, in general, germany wants to be one of the leaders for the european

union and then germany cannot be opposed so that all the other countries want , well, let's say that there are two. ukraine, eh, germany is a country of its own, what i would like to have against you, what is really important here , eh, the most important thing is that there is huge support in the european union, everything in america, in canada, in england, in the establishment, eh, in general, ukraine and now i thought that this support is 100% strong so that there will be more weapons in the church of the type of ukraine and i think that this means that ukraine will win

comfortably. what do you think? with tanks, in principle, it has passed all the stages of the verton window , that is, from unacceptable at the beginning of a full-scale invasion to the norm by the end of the year of the war. in fact, what factors influenced the change in the west's position the most because we heard that the west does not want to give it, in particular from mr. scholze, that heavy weapons can lead to an escalation of the conflict. therefore , we have to think, we have not made a decision there yet we will consult and so on and so on, and then in the end we come to this point, what had the most influence on it, well , i would not say what factor. it looks bad if ukraine doesn't go that way so that it doesn't stop getting many people in the west well, i

think that there is uh, the first person who said this very accurately, uh, former generals without ads, and what if ukraine doesn't win, it's uh, a big defeat and for the brick of the west to began to understand that ukraine will win longer. well, of course, ukraine breathes like that, and gradually chooses one side from the other, and we see that the fronts are too stable, and they fought for a long time, and this is not what we want, and of course, people on the scent of a student support ukraine, not even though hundreds of ukrainians are being killed, everyone

is suffering, and there is also bad freedom of ukrainians is dying, and we are only settling georgia, then we need to send more weapons. and you also see that now i am america and the european union they give more financial support to ukraine than the sheepdog of the past year, and i would also say that this dismissal is due to corruption in ukraine. the tangled angia of ukraine is especially discussing corruption in ukraine, so yes, it is very important that president zelensky now shoed 100 cards

of officials in high positions against whom there were associations about corruption and especially what broke up or uh now adam of the former совместите мы, uh, the minister of defense, yes. thank you for joining . anders aslan, diplomat, professor at joštalen university, senior researcher at the eurasia center of the atlantic council, was in direct contact with us. what are we waiting for in ukraine for german and american tanks? we believe in our armed forces and, of course, we are waiting. on very good news from our western partners, i wonder how the opinion of mr. hasla will be, the translation echoes the opinion of valentin hankiv, who was in our studio, he said almost the same thing that the west has now invested a lot of grenades in ukraine in order to to allow ourselves to back down in some issues and this gives us hope that support for ukraine will only increase in the future of course we all want

to believe in this of course we are grateful to all our partners for their help, friends we are grateful to you for being with us during these two in half an hour viktori had a light on bohdan masha and we say goodbye, our broadcast continues , our colleagues continue it, maria skyba, maksym sikora, who will appear here very soon. they are constantly gossiping about the border region of sumy and each of these attacks is the eternal fate of people, let's tell just one such story about one family of satanists from the curlew, fleeing from the russian shelling, the adults covered their children with themselves, three were seriously wounded and the girl died, how did they manage to save a one-year-old , debrete one-year-old nazarchyk and a four-year-old oleksya and some chances of survival for those who were overtaken by such a russian projectile. olesya was borovik will tell now. this house on