[000:00:00;00] here are our guests that actually only the victory on the battlefield of the russian irdyn army and the zoning of russia as the bearer of such an aggressive ideology is the only way to guarantee our long-term security, and then the espresso broadcast will be continued by olga eleni with a program chronicling the information war olya i congratulate you on the word i congratulate serhiy, well actually i i will continue in the morning, because this is really the main topic of russian propaganda this week , so we will see in a moment. congratulations to the entire information week, the main topic of russian propaganda was tanks, it seemed that there were not so many of those tanks, how many conversations are there actually about them? this decision about

the supply of tanks is very important and is even a certain historical stage . blackmail of the russian federation, which russia, in principle , very, very much relies on, it puts a lot of hope on this blackmail and here the russians suddenly found out that the threats well, they do not work as well as they thought on the day when germany announced the supply of leopards to the russian federation, they took a ship out into the atlantic ocean to show an imitation of the launch of a zircon missile, well, that is, what happened , they opened a post mine, they said that they were conducting some coordinates of targets, and so on virtual training. and in russian, on tv, all this was accompanied by threats to destroy the united states. it is natural for washington to be on combat duty with the nuclear submarine

of the fifth generation belgorod instead of the doomsday torpedo, and if it is needed, it will in the literal sense of the word, everything is tired that its possible potential use somewhere along the ocean coast of the united states will lead to catastrophic destruction of american military bases and american infrastructure. the western and eastern coast of america is where up to 90% of all american industry is concentrated and up to 80 % of the us population lives. the result of these threats well, the tanks went to ukraine, that's why, in principle, the nightingale is fighting, that's why it's been screaming there for several days about

what it is . nothing works for me . they blew up our gas pipelines , we wiped out, they deliver heavy tanks, we wipe out, stop talking about red lines , this is an absolutely empty phrase, it means nothing to me, nothing, nothing, how could they not take revenge, it will be red lines if you put an offensive weapon, they put it, it’s coming outside, we didn’t do anything, we’ll then consider it as a legitimate target when they end up in ukraine, are you serious about it, well, they traditionally demolished london, paris, berlin, washington well, of course

, kyiv, you’ve already heard it a dozen times before, you can easily imagine these screams, meanwhile solovyova's girlfriend margarita semenyan suddenly turns out to be in no hurry to go to hell and is not going to die right away, and it was also yesterday, let's destroy her, you won't be able to, well many of us, to your regret, many of us will end what is happening now in ukraine, call this war or call it your own, from this essence, the essence does not change, it will end sooner or later, everything ends. planet in one europe side by side exactly how we will exist together i don't know i don't know what we can do in response nuclear weapons will be tested i wouldn't have it in our country

because it's not a pity just what we are guilty of birds, flowers , even in some yagellas, here we come, what are they arming our enemy, they have enemies. no, how does the taliban feel, and nothing is needed? could you give him a moment? first of all, this is semenyan no longer shouting that russia can't lose to russia , you can't win the talks, but you're not going to kill us all. - second, what does it mean how will you be, how will you live together, and how they live interestingly with germany after the second world war, and with you there is, in principle, an example that can be put into service and understand how it will be and there is no need to invent anything new. all this is old known

. well, you see. i don't even really want weapons anymore. well, there are talks about how we will supply the taliban there, we will give something to iran there, and before that it did not give, well, this is something new, the world has never seen it, yes , can you, now it is not happening. well, there you go. it's just that it's not a random phrase he says what the deputies of the state duma also say over the well-known konstantin zatulin on another broadcast on another tv channel, he says almost the same thing, see for special operations for all kinds of sabotage we have a complete moral right, in my opinion, not recognizing it as a war with a nato country, they do not recognize it this is war-weary and we will not recognize what will happen to them in a war with him, that is, in this case, it is necessary to sweep all these vosts in such a way that there is no possibility of our immediacy in something, it

will cure a missile attack on the airfield to someone in the zheshuve and this is too much, yes. and here is to make sure that something in this zheshuve explodes, and it’s like it’s time to start because you tell me otherwise, i’m a peaceful, stooped person, but how would you tell me because otherwise they have этот аппетит и онлайнтся никогда, you understand. the fact is that this is also nothing new, but there is something to blow up somewhere, well, in the czech republic, weapons depots were blown up, who blew them up, well, everyone understands. who blew up , then bulgaria, which, in principle, as it turns out, helps ukraine quite a lot, they were there and attempted murders of people and and murders, even sabotage attempts, and these sabotage attempts actually continue, well, not only this year, they continue , well, in fact, the last decade, that is

, again, this is not something new . we will do it. well, it is clear why they are telling this, we need to tell something. well, you know, the change will change the narrative because well , they did not work very well, the narrative did not work very well, and so on. and on the other hand, there is another new thing that they also they said that moscow will consider the use of ukrainian shells in ukraine and uranium-tipped leopard 2 tanks as the use of dirty nuclear bombs. this is such a fresh statement by the head of the russian delegation in the summer of cooperation in the field of security, kostiantyn gavrilova, it is very interesting. projectiles, because in fact it is not the use of nuclear weapons, but listen now how interesting this is interpreted by russian propagandists as a request to ensure the military defeat of russia

will be given to ukraine, including rockets long range that will reach you, although they already have unmanned systems that are capable of doing it and will do it, and there is no doubt about how much we are tactical nuclear weapons because i believe that the use of tactical nuclear weapons is inevitable as yakov kedmy explained that this can be used as a pretext for using tactical nuclear weapons, even though the same bridge, although it is clear that conditionally hot 152 mm shells from the arsenal

tactical nuclear weapons are definitely in our arsenal, they definitely have a very limited range, and that's why it's not the place even other things are interesting, listen to these two propagandists, because they are not journalists, they are responsible, because all their lives they are engaged only in creating some kind of provocations. as an excuse, well, that is, let's not drag the globe itself, we will invent something and we will have such an excuse, well, that is, no one even no longer, well, does not hide in conversations that russia just constantly invents something, invents and invents and will continue to invent it this week . also, a lot of things were invented there there were a lot of uh, uh

, uh, uh, provocative statements and outright fakes this week , i hope i'll talk about them again, but now let's move on to the next such thing, yes but this all did not work, and moreover, it turned out that the way the west acted in relation to russia, it works. listen to this method of its own , so that ukraine returned the territories, including krym, and russia. you know, brother, you will rot a little bit of hot water, and if you boil it slowly, you can boil it. you understand why they talked , that is, what is the message , how will we understand this word? mentioned

because we seem to have categorically drawn the line, that is, verin began to sound like ukrainians. well, in this case, i'm sorry, but this is russia's training , and it even works. well, they certainly don't calm down with that frog of theirs. for some reason, they constantly compare themselves and the frog. that is, they already have the russian federation, it's a frog. some term is already er, well, actually about this thing itself, what is interesting is that i consider it the second, very serious victory over russian propaganda , because crimea is again on the agenda. well , the third very significant victory, er, and such a collapse of russian propaganda applies specifically to germany there it broke down in the fact that russian propagandists were literally promoting, they had a bunch of their own parties there, a bunch of people who

live in germany, russians who are also an active russian power, lost who go to rallies there and constantly do something write and they all shared this idea that germany owes something specifically to the russians, and all this also did not work, and this is also very, very noticeable, see evgeny shmytna , a member of the bundestag . how do they perceive the germans ? they understand what is happening. unfortunately , it is certainly possible to think about such a solution. well, it was not a surprise, and members of the coalition put pressure on scholze and within the party.

there is such a schism already, not everyone was of the same opinion, and the opposition in the form of the christian democrats very harshly abandoned the retarding support of tanks . the only opposition in the person of our party is an alternative for germany. they speak out against the supplies, is there no historical memory, is there no seeding that russian tanks, like soviet ones, will reach the regs once , no one is afraid of this concept, such as historical memory does not figure in the political discourse at all, as we can see, some historical complexes eh predalyny and tanks again go to ukraine, well, this deputy will not even answer this question well , because he is a deputy of the budestag after all, and he cannot politically answer such a fool , but what is interesting is that germany supports supplies to ukraine that is, there was a survey conducted by spiegel, which shows that 54%

of respondents support the decision to transfer tanks, 5,440% believe that it is simply unequivocally correct, and only 32% believe that the supply is obviously wrong, so this is an advantage well, let's say it's still a third of the citizens who don't agree , but that's a completely different story. this is a big break , so let's talk about it with our guests, this is yehor chernev. of the parliamentary delegation in the pass, and actually you, his red, were very much engaged in the supply of weapons, so tell me, these are the last ones, this is an attempt to put psychological pressure on germany, and what does it look like when you talk to german politicians?

fabrications of russian propaganda eh good day olga, the only thing that i am not the head of the nato parliamentary assembly is so little and indeed we talked a lot with our colleagues in the parliament in the bundestag and bunderat and the two chambers of our german -german parliament, i emphasize why i emphasize that i will be somewhere in the council because one of the members of the delegation of the parliamentary assembly from germany, just from the upper house , has now become the minister of defense, this is boris podstorius. and actually with him, too. personally, i talked about tanks there two or three months ago during these months, and this position, which is now shown on russian television, is such a marginal position, because the alternative for germany is the absolute marginal one, the smallest in the bundestag, which simply advocates

some unthinkable things in terms of what to do with ukraine in terms of supporting ukraine but even the moderate deputies of other parties have also recently changed their position , we have a lot of supporters in the bundestag , a lot of those who actually put pressure on the scholz, including the defense committee the chairman of the defense committee and markus faber, a member of this committee who very often goes to ukraine and goes not just to kyiv but to the front in order to show what is happening to the germans, why do they need leopards, that's all plus international support plus the united states which you actually saw, that the decision on the transfer was also made, and because in fact the argumentation on the part

of scholz's office changed from the fact that it is an offensive weapon, we will never sell offensive weapons until then, it is technically it is impossible economically unprofitable there defense capability and so on and the last argument was that ok but we won't be the first that's actually after we heard this argument we started to form a tank lobby in the united states so that the united states would provide ok we don't want to be the first germans with leopards let's there will be abrams with the united states , at least any number that will allow to knock out the argument from the scholz inside the country and will allow , well, even more, let's say so, to put pressure on the bundestag on the decision of the sun and that's all in principle it worked, and now we see that there will be abrams and leopards, and not only from germany, well, actually, this is an alternative for germany

, what is interesting, there are some deputies with her, they are more often i have this impression on you on russian television than in the distant past that they are just non-stop on all tv channels. so there are still very strange people here . well, on the day of the announcement about the provision of ukrainian tanks , you wrote on your page that our scheme , which we negotiated with the americans for many months, worked on the trunks, which also many missions were formed, it already worked. this is what you mean, this is the whole scheme. i understand that first, i chose the leopard. this is the whole story. and why, why was it so important for the germans that these were? that's how it was from the first time, then what is the point of leopards, why? well, why why do they like that, that’s right, well, that’s all, that’s all, you know, we had a lot of negotiations with german deputies, and it was very good that there were

delegations, for example, if we talk about negotiations with delegations in the parliamentary assembly they will provide represented by all parties, i.e. not only the greens who support us absolutely clearly, but there were also some without, and hds were there, and there was actually an alternative for germany, and when in this circle you start to communicate and talk about what ukraine needs, which tanks here, here, there, the same question, but not only in zooparda. yes, there are marauders and cougars. there are many things in germany that we need today, then you begin to understand what the position is, what the argumentation is, and that’s when we heard at various rounds of negotiations different different argumentation, including the argument that this is a psychological barrier we cannot cross after the second world war so that german tanks appear on the territory

of the former soviet union well, in reality , what if german tanks do not appear here tanks, russian tanks may appear on the territory of germany, that's why, er, that's all a plus . i'm saying again, er, the understanding of the fact that it is no longer er, in scholz's office, when the understanding that it is inevitable has already begun story they said ok as the last argument but let's not be the first, and we actually sat down at the negotiating table with the german delegation and the american delegation in madrid a few months ago and agreed that let 's make such and such a scheme in which some amount simply symbolic for a political signal will be transferred from the united states and

then germany won't have any arguments there, and it worked, and you can see that, and now we're getting it, and we'll take it back to the americans there, and can we expect tanks from uh, france, because it's the same thing about their tank, it's a little bit differs from those that the germans have in the americans, uh, and there is also a debate going on right now, what is the point, or are there any such fundamental obstacles, that's why we emphasized on the leopards, secondly, because this is the main battle tank of the nato countries nato has a lot of them in different countries, so there are spare parts and repair bases. that is, it simplifies the more widespread the equipment . the more it is, the easier it is to maintain , repair, take care of, and so on. we have , for example, the same zoo

in our air defense. which is there from e-e cheetahs to aristi, are we all there, and now they will petrify it somewhere, it makes it somewhat difficult, but we, but again, we are not giving up any air defense system and any tank, if there are also clerks. you will provide them to us, well, this is the question. i think that there is no question here at all, that is, the principled position of germany regarding the provision or non -provision is not a more technical issue here . eh, they gave us a caesar or a third of their caesar, that is, a lot in order to actually m-m eh, based on what they have in their army, so here the questions are more

practical than there are political or some psychological ones. i think that and and france will provide us with tanks when this procedure for the transfer of tanks has begun and uh , the ice crossing of lida tre tinzers - this is a serious thing, yes, this just speaks of serious support with a serious determination to help, this is interesting information, so new, i would say and tell me, you you say ice from the chair - this is the next stage of planes and what else and actually what kind of planes are these and long-range missiles, here is tet, this is what we have basically been asking for a very long time, as well as tanks, er, the problem with long-range missiles is that, well, the united states

the united states is the main operator of those missiles that we need for the hymers, and here it is exclusively up to them, uh, their decision depends on whether they will be transferred or not, it will be a bit easier with the planes, but anyway, uh, we are talking about f15 f16, the manufacturer of which is just that are the united states but the operators of these planes are there are very, very many countries in europe and in europe it is also possible to conditionally form a coalition here, and we are already forming it, but the last final decision is how it was for the leopards in germany, now it should be in the united states, because in the arms market you cannot to transfer weapons without agreement with the country of manufacture to anyone, uh, there are, in principle , positive attitudes towards the transfer of aircraft to us in some countries of the european union, that is, they are ready to transfer these very ones in the f-15-16 to us, but

the final decision must be made by the united states and we are working on this. well, how are we working on these same attacks, which are long-range missiles with a range of up to 300 km and hm in order to control the entire occupied territory in ukraine and the efforts of the russians to disrupt supplies there weapons to ukraine, then this is the main emphasis of russian propaganda, there was a media campaign on the topic that these weapons will be resold somewhere, there is no control. well, that's all, we then, in principle , rightly predicted that nothing of the russian propagandists would work because for our partners, it is quite transparent about the weapons, what is happening with them, they trust us, and the noise will not change anything, but now, what would you call the most tangible

campaign of the russians against the supply of weapons ? this is the main thing, the main thing, what, what, what they insist on, and what they are trying to tell our western partners about , i am returning from a business trip to brussels. the brussels parliament, including with the minister of defense of belgium, and the most frequently asked question is whether you predict the use of nuclear weapons by the russian federation, and when you break down the fact that they will not do this for several reasons, for the reasons that this

the crossing of red lines even for their partners india and china and in general a transition into another dimension let's say this and showing that this is actually blackmail and a continuation of the pressure that was before that but it did not succeed with, for example, the blocking of food in ports eh odesa, then with energy blackmail, then with blackmail regarding our hmm power station, the nuclear power plant in energodar, the nuclear power plant, so on and so forth and so on that they are just trying to put pressure on our partners with it . -e crimea from the changes- exempted kherson, which they also

considered to be the russian federation and by their so-called referendums, they accepted it as part of the e-e russian federation, if they did not use nuclear weapons there, then it is unlikely they will generally apply, well, that is, when you tell and show on your fingers that this is all blackmail from the tabres, they calm down and accept it normally, so i think that actually this is the decision to provide us with tanks and a large number of armored vehicles, it just says that they have stopped being afraid of russia with and they don't believe in nuclear , nuclear blackmail is interesting. i saw that, well, along with such cries to use tactical nuclear weapons , to throw something somewhere, er, very actively , such a story was being advanced that let's conduct nuclear tests, ot renewal

nuclear tests, it is interesting to what extent it is generally perceived as something so serious, some kind of application, well, that's all, uh, hmm, elements of the same game for promotion and trying to convince, and yet you say that there are still weapons, and that's why uh, after all, we have weapons, and therefore we can use them together with official statements well, it's not like the official troops are the ones i'm nava- i mean the same subscriber yes, who or medveteva who drinks something there and starts threatening you, so you see that putin actually does not sound like such a threat they are trying to convey a message through some clowns of their uh-uh, what type will you remember that we have weapons and within the framework of this company and efforts are being made there let's try again and he tested nuclear weapons to show exactly that we have them there is that it works for us and we are