[000:00:00;00] vasyl will suggest that ukraine should win something. not that russia should win something. there was some kind of draw in this because the mood of the majority of society is on the side of ukraine . and then, please tell me why then president trump says that this war must be ended as soon as possible. he knows he has a recipe to finish. well, i think that he will have a discussion about ending aid to ukraine . we will meet with putin, uh, shake his hand. to discuss with putin the problems of the world is shared to share the world with him, well, look, trump represents represents the far-right point of view about the right point of view is that

what should be similar to putin 's russia er-e american far-right they were very happy to accommodate the united states because of putin's russia how about this achilles is the former director of russian affairs of the us national security council during the time of trump, as we wrote in our book when she worked , we will write in the trump white house many times i asked if i could be like putin. maybe i will. can i be like putin ? that is, he was worried about being like putin before . right-wing political beliefs, but such people do not make up the majority of the united states, and there are a lot of them, but it does not make up the time

. i also want to refer to the discussion that victoria nuland took part in during the hearing of the senate committee on international relations. this is the issue of corruption, when merkel said that he is concerned about the fact that, moreover, he is a democrat, that corruption in the review of ukraine can be to some extent alcohol an oncology that eats up the support they need from the whole world victoria nuland emphasized that she thinks that the american administration has made it very clear that we need to when they are fighting in the war, anti-corruption steps , including corporate governance and judicial reform, were moving forward and that personnel changes in kyiv give a signal to those who are trying to disrupt all the military efforts of the ukrainian government itself, as far as you think now here are all these facts of corrupt investments that we know, which are related to the current ukrainian government, can affect the support of ukraine, in particular, in the american congress, they

have a negative effect. this is absolutely undeniable , because as soon as something is published about corruption in ukraine, it is immediately attacked the first column connection, let's say about such newspapers as the universality of such tv channels, and if if we look at you and you , what was asked about the fact that not a single carp at the briefing the day before yesterday in the white house after emphasizing about the transfer of ukraine tanks, the first question was not about tanks at all, it was about corruption cases in ukraine, does it not concern some kind of american aid in ukraine ? that is, of course, journalists. the whole interesting society is interested in this, therefore any corruption facts are marked negatively, but uh i said at the beginning of today's conversation that corruption is everywhere, somewhere it is more of a monument, that we need to deal with it, yes

, we need to really fight for it, because if these corruption facts are found, we will fight against them this is already more important, more positive than simply , for example, the fact that through the deputy tyshchenko from the nightingale of the people is somewhere there on vacation in thailand, i picture her to myself eh i don't know a representative of the representative of the ukrainian diaspora in thailand there or something nightly, by the way, about what the american newspapers wrote about, but if they write it, it will have a very negative effect on public opinion about the ukrainian government as such, because with such facts, the ukrainian government must it is necessary to fight with him and it is not necessary for everyone to understand that it is impossible to sit on two sides at the same time to be in the war and try some corrupt devices to do on on on on both sides literally on the blood this

looks very bad and of course she made no future packages to help in ukraine, it can have a very negative impact on this, because of course, among our right-wing republicans and those who do not want to help in ukraine, i will not cling to it in order to stop helping marcela taylor green immediately e-e sent us a message on twitter that ukraine is the most corrupt country in the world, there is something else, it will be opponents of e-e ukraine, it will be used as you will be unblocked by russian propaganda and various useful agents of russian propaganda to the world well, this is the question what is ukraine should do in such a situation to fight corruption, to try to comply with these western guidelines - to what extent are kyiv aware of all the dangers of such processes in

ukraine of course it is necessary to fight this corruption. it is difficult for me to say how aware the ukrainian authorities are of the need to do this. but judging by the reaction, there were students who were fired , there is probably some awareness. i am more confused by the fact that people and such, let's say the same deputy tyshchenko, do not have an awareness of that in what time do they live, what responsibility do i have for them, well, you went there, let's say to thailand. well, i'm just asking for a resignation . if he gets into an exhibition , then he wo n't be a deputy. to thailand i apologize to us, ordinary men of his age cannot go to thailand, i understand, well, if i had already gone , i would have written a statement from there at least that i am no longer a deputy, but i

now live in thailand. by the way, what is there to return to and he has a lot more interest here than in thailand , believe me, the panels understand, well, the same very similar case happened to the american congress, but they elected a new republican compressman, no one knows who he is so, so, he, he, he lied there about himself, how is he against him ? i can already ask for a criminal case because it turned out that there are all the funds, most of the funds for his campaign fund, they did not understand where he appeared there. did he forge a signature in some did he use the banker's last name? well, he doesn't want to, so he doesn't want to leave his post with the congress

. not only ukraine is his in the world, simply because ukraine is considered now as under a microscope, everything that happens in ukraine is the world, so when i report that something similar is happening in ukraine, of course , this immediately negatively affects the perception of ukraine in the world, and it can be used by those who advocate against the provision of comprehensive assistance to ukraine, by the way , if you have already mentioned all these unpleasant situations, you can explain what is happening with these secret documents that were initially found in lagomar on the previous presentation former president trump is now in the office of former president biden documents of the time when he was from the president of the united states now in the office as far as i understand the former from the president penz what what why do these people continue to keep in secret documents here i dong understand that the nation

literally yesterday appealed to all former presidents and former vice-presidents with a request to check whether there are some secret documents from the time of their work in the governments. i think that here what happens before all this is such absolute negligence and very, very careless attitude towards their duties by the assistants of the relevant people, what happened to the secret documents that trump found there, quite clearly, because trump deliberately took them there because he wanted to have for some reason, he explained that it was his and he should not give it to anyone. in the case of careless pensions, the situation is different. it is clear that their assistants who were there packing the papers of their offices called them to finish their work as presidents and sent news to their homes. they just worked sloppy, that is, they for some reason there are some documents

that are secret, she put all the boxes that you tried- with various private papers of m.m. biden, pence was sent to their home. there is a private office of biden . should simply adopt a law to oblige these high-ranking officials to work exclusively with electronic documents with appropriate protection systems because when a secret document is printed it is not known how many copies when er, they are lying on the table somewhere somewhere. well, on the table in the white house or in the office of the president, she can go into herself there. when then the assistants can take them and send them home to their bare feet . their very inappropriate attitude to their duties and the fact that the system of working

with secret documents. there must be some changes, because it is of course absolutely unacceptable what is being done , even though i am sure that neither biden nor pence are absolutely not to blame for the fact that they found these documents with the fact that they simply did not look and hmm, well, look. each of us once changed jobs, moved there, we download it, and after moving from one place to another, what i packed , i hope that i need it there, and then could for many months or even years not look at what is in all the boxes, this is the same case, i will not, this box stops secret documents, this is simply unacceptable. by the way, barack obama, when he was president, he worked exclusively with electronic documents that is, it was a requirement. i think that congress should simply pass a law that would require all high-ranking officials to simply not

print these documents on paper, on paper, to make only electronic records of secret documents with appropriate protection and access. modern technology absolutely allows this. to do then there won't be such scandals , there won't be any high-ranking officials look like that, that is, it's even funny in the eyes of society today holocaust remembrance day is such a personal experience for you and me, but you can to say to yourself how did it happen that in reality it turned out after several decades that according to this experience of the war, it is a war with the civilian population and from it, by the way , people are being rescued who have already survived the war and were saved from the holocaust during the second world war, and several people from this war have not saved themselves, that in general , no real conclusions have been drawn, and the most important thing is that

russia, which all the time tried to show itself as a country of soldiers, was liberated by the last ones already in the holocaust, which managed to escape, it turned out that this country practices genocide in its military politicians, remember the panda vitaly from vasyl groysman's novel life and destiny, there is such a dialogue between the oberturmatsur lis and the communist mostysky, who sits in the nazi constator. and this lis tells him that it doesn't matter which of us wins, the one who wins will be the continuation of the one who loses and i will i will do everything that we dreamed of doing everything that we dreamed of doing that one of us will lose , unfortunately that's how it happened, that is, in the village of rosman when he wrote this novel it was probably

he who wrote it after all somewhere back in the 50s years, he saw it very well and it is. that is how it happened, that is, putin's russia became an absolute continuation of nazi germany. i would say that it is no different if you take what putin expresses in his speeches and what people from his entourage express in i was tried by hitler's speeches by the voters, let's replace the word jews with the word ukraine, actually nothing else will need to be changed because the west has already been hyper-battled with the west by western plutocracies, just like putin says he is doing. the same thing that's why it's just the way it is, they are modern russia, i'm absolutely a continuation of nazi germany, it's terrible that it's happening in the 21st

century, but i'd say that what we 're seeing now is sometimes sometimes close to being declared war crimes during the second world war, because in the second world war, i think there were not so many places that were simply destroyed on purpose. and what russia is doing now is simply completely, completely, deliberately destroying ukrainian cities, er, and completely deliberately destroying universities, schools, hospitals residential buildings, where people live, it's all simple, uh, it's terrible, and this is either no different to what they did to satiate or uh, i'm even worse than what i did to violence, and that's why uh, education, education, there's no

choice, the world must, the world russia should be forced to change because otherwise the civilized world will simply disappear if you allow it . disappearance in what sense not necessarily its destruction well let's say trump comes to power for the sake of foam, uh, there are alternatives for germany in all western countries. well, the whole civilized world will be approximately there, in the best case , like what hungary is today, that's why it 's a war, a war - a war, a war of two completely incompatible civilizations

they cannot co-exist with each other, i.e. either civilization will win or civilization will disappear. approximately and here is the first question today in the world, the holocaust is already being mentioned, for some reason the world did not manage to prevent this tragedy, why in the world are they still exterminating people with a national identity that can be a safeguard against genocide , or what is happening now in ukraine, in your opinion, falls under the definition of us this was discussed with mr. igor in maavsk in order to answer this question, let's try to read another fragment of the book he mentions. the novel born in ukraine by the writer vasyl groysman, life and destiny, but this

the documentary fragment of this novel is the last letter of a mother to a son and it is a novel that tells about the times of foreign occupation for the first time. it is very similar to what is experienced by people who are now under russian occupation twice. i am sure that my letter will reach you even though i am for the front line and for by the barbed wire of the jewish ghetto your answer i never get me i won't i want you to know about my last days with this thought it's easier for me to leave people's lives are always hard to understand truly on the seventh of july the germans invaded to the city in the city garden, the radio broadcast the last message. i was leaving the clinic after receiving patients and stopped to listen. the announcer was reading a ukrainian article about the battles. i heard distant shooting, then people ran across the garden and someone shouted. the germans broke through all night. the neighbors walked to each other more calmly than everyone else. little children and i decided what will happen to everyone, it will happen to me and then i thought happiness that you are safe on the rags i fell asleep and when i woke up i felt

terrible that same morning i was reminded to forget during the years of soviet rule, that i was jewish, and then some of my neighbors reminded me of it. the janitor's wife stood under my window and told the neighbor, thank god, i will give up my son and i am married to a jewish woman, and the old woman visited my son and told me about my grandchildren. my neighbor is a widow, they are the girl is 6 years old, alain and her sons, blue, strange eyes, i wrote to you about her once, she came to my house and said, hanna semenivna, i will ask you to put away your things in the evening, i will move into your room, ok, then i will move into yours, i said, she answered no, you will move into the closet behind the kitchen, i i refused, there was no window or stove, i went to the clinic. and when they came back, the door to my room was broken. my things were dumped in the closet. my neighbor told me that i kept the sofa. it still won’t fit in your new room. it’s strange that she graduated as a technician and her late husband was a nice, quiet accountant was an accomplice, you are an outlaw, she said in such a tone as if it was very

profitable for her for the wedding, and her daughter olenka sat with me all evening, i told her fairy tales. she did not want to sleep, her mother took her away, and then our clinic was reopened, and the coin is still one jewish doctor was fired, i asked for money for a month worked, but the new head told me let stalin pay you for what you earned under the soviet government, write to him in moscow, many people impressed me and not only the dark, embittered illiterate, here is an old teacher, pensioners , he is 75 years old, he always i asked to say hello to you. he spoke about you, our pride, and these days, when he met me, he turned away , then they told me that he said at a meeting in the commandant's office that the air was not cleaned with a tissue, why did he have these words of his

they also pollute at the same meetings but of course not all of us went to these meetings, many refused . i am looking for these passages that i consider close to our today's realities. i have reread this document many times. and here is an important thing that i think many people who survived the russian occupation feel now. but before, they always considered themselves a part of russian culture. i never felt like a jew since i was a child. i grew up surrounded by russian friends . i loved the poets pushkin nekrasov and the play to which i cried with everything. the hall for the audience was uncle vanya with stanislavsky and when tsvitinka , when i was a 14-year-old girl, our family was going to emigrate to south america, and i told my dad that i would not go anywhere, i would rather drown and not go, but these terrible days filled my heart with maternal tenderness towards

the jewish people, i did not know this love before, it reminds me of my love for you, my dear son, i go to sick people's homes, in tiny rooms, to squeeze dozens of people into half-tracks, blind elderly people , pregnant children, i am used to looking for human eyes symptoms of diseases glaucoma cataracts now i can't look people in the eyes like that, in the eyes i see only the reflection of the soul of a good soul , sad, well-doomed and defeated by violence and one of those that triumphs over the violence of a strong soul if you heard with what attention old grandmothers ask me about you as i am heartily comforted by the people they are, what do people not complain about , or is the situation worse than the castle? sometimes it seems to me that i go to the sick in vain, but on the contrary , a good folk doctor heals my soul. and how touching they give me a piece of bread for treatment

an onion, a handful of beans, this is not a fee for visits, when an elderly worker shakes my hand, puts two or three potatoes in his bag and says, "well, doctor, i'm asking you, tears come to my eyes, something in this is pure parental good, i can't convey it to you in words, i don't want to to please you with the fact that i lived easily at this time, don't be surprised, i'm surprised that my heart didn't break from pain, but don't be tormented by the thought that i was starving, and during all this time , i've never been hungry and i still didn't feel alone, what can i say about people people they strike me as good and bad, they are very different although everyone experiences the same fate , but imagine if during a thunderstorm one is going to hide from the downpour, this does not mean that all people are the same and hide in the rain from the rain , each in his own occupation it is always the same

destruction of people by the power that considers itself superior to people, it is always the same what the nazis did on ukrainian soil, and of course not only with jews, we just talk now about the holocaust and remember the jewish aspects of the tragedy about the destruction of everything the population of ukraine, the jewish population of ukraine, practically, but there were other repressions, we also remember it well, when they destroyed those who disagreed, when they destroyed those who dreamed of ukraine, and these people miraculously ended up next to the victims of the holocaust in babyny yar, as symbolically, the same thing is happening today with the russian actions in the occupied territories , many people who

were sent to infiltration camps or to some isolation could write such letters to their sons when i was reading mine or my fellow journalist aseev about what he had to go through in the concept camp, isolation in donetsk . i always remembered this letter from groysman's novel. i also remembered the novel of the great lithuanian writer balisa strogi . whose citizens are still trying

to be proud that they destroyed nazism, not in stalin's time, not when it was possible to blame it all on communism. the dictator now carries out all these onslaughts of practice creates real a concentration camp with whistles and abuse and with actual violence against human dignity, rape with the transformation of the prisoners themselves into the executioners of their comrades, this is normal and is such an obvious tragedy, why i have complex emotions on this very day, by

and large, the holocaust was such a large-scale tragedy in general, many people do not understand how such a tragedy could happen in the 20th century, which i have never seen in a thousand years of human history, maybe because it was possible to destroy people in industrial on the scale that he did not lead to the cleansing that now russians are not invited to the memorial ceremony for the victims of auschwitz, the same alf who was released by the front troops of marshal ivan konev, and then ivan kodiv led the soviet union's operation to occupy czechoslovakia , turned another country into an already soviet constitutional camp and

even after the collapse of communism, even after it, russia remained this is a zoo with filth with people who are ready to kill others and make their lives hell simply because these people do not share russian views not even life should look like not life, but geographically there were actually many people who fled from russian aggression in 2014 and in 2020 and this must be said honestly they did not see the big difference between their lives and the lives of citizens of the russian

federation, nor did they live in the same civilized world, they watched the same tv programs, the same series, the same traditions, wore the same way of life, the same language, and absolutely did not want to change it, but they were sure that they live here in ukraine and there is another the country of russia what is criminal in of such conviction, why should they say no, we don't have ukraine here, and there never was and could never be, their homes are being destroyed , they are being shot at with ballistic missiles , these people are not being given the opportunity to survive, the holocaust was a war between the hitlerites and foreigners, although this was also

not true because the german jews whom they hunted in germany did not differ from the rest of the country's population from the germans in anything, in fact, at that time, and even more so, people who had 25% of russian blood there, there was a jewish grandmother or grandfather, but it was registered under the war with other such people must be destroyed because we are germans. these are the ones here who are fighting the same people as us. they even say you are the same . you are not even ukrainians. you russians are one people, but let us kill you all because you are with us from this process. do not agree on this let us make you happy after death this is even some other nazism although the nazism of schizophrenics hitler's crimes could be