[000:00:00;00] she, whom they hunted in germany, in fact , well, at that time, they were no longer different from the rest of the population of the country from the germans, and even more so, people who had 25% of the heavenly blood there, there was a jewish grandmother or grandfather , but it was framed for a war with other such people destroy because we are germans these are the ones who are fighting the same people as us, they even say you are the same you are not even ukrainians you are russians one people but let us kill you all because you do not agree with us on this process on this matter let us we will make you happy after death. this is even some other nazism, although

the nazism of the schizophrenics of hitler's crime could be found to find an obviously criminal logic, which in principle was clearly outlined during the nurburgring trial of putin. both there and there is a place at the same time for the people who support him and there and there is a place at the same time, this cannot be perceived as a manifestation of mere hatred, it is a manifestation of psychiatry. i really

hope that we will be able to overcome this the schizophrenia of our enemies so that it will never be in our land. thank you , friends, stay with us until we meet again. i congratulate you, dear viewers of the espresso tv channel, the studio program, the event, we will analyze the most important events. about leopard tanks, or abrams , this is a story about the fact that the west is ready to cross a certain security rubicon , the situation will be analyzed by james, a british political scientist and mark feigin, a member of the russian opposition on of emigration, james scher, senior researcher at the institute of security and defense, british political scientist, slava ukraine p. scher, will be working

on our air now. welcome to the espresso tv channel. the key story. leopards 2, but the key story was even before that, when there was an extremely interesting, albeit hidden backstage discussion, whether to give tanks to ukraine or not. what do you think happened before they gave the green tanks you started the rocket campaign with the words glory to ukraine, so glory to the heroes. good day, i hope you are well. this is the first time i am giving an interview during a massive missile attack. it is so important to understand why this important decision was taken for so long. i would say that there are three reasons, mainly german but in part , the american first is the enormous psychological power of the image that came through generations

, namely, the german tanks that fought in the soviet union against those who were considered russian, of course our viewers understand that to a large extent these german tanks fought against the ukrainians and yet they do not take it so deeply in my country, for example, there are people who continue to believe that the scots were once the english in europe, unfortunately, there are still many people who believe that ukraine was part of russia until recently , there is also a certain psychological bar. and secondly, there is a terrible fear of the military, because denazification in germany was very thorough and eventually created fear of all the military. angela

merkel said that in the midst of hostilities, she did not there is such a concept as a military solution, this is all very convincing and related to this is the idea that is also shared by part of the biden administration that all wars end with negotiations, not all wars end in this way, especially when it comes to a war with russia, and the third reason is that in olaf scholz's party and in other parties, there are people who still cannot let go of the iron curtain, not believing in european security without russia, so all these largely psychological factors had to be overcome, and the main role in this was played by it's a shame, because not only in ukraine but in europe and the usa, it became obvious that this indecision is causing enormous damage to the reputation of germany. in

your opinion, are there any prospects for the restoration of the so-called minsk -istanbul negotiation format, respectively? you mentioned, i don't think there are any positive prospects here, of course . it is worth listening to the echoes, but if the russians have something serious to say, it is unlikely that they will will do through these channels, they will act discreetly through the appropriate people , first through european representatives and then through the americans, the russians use such channels to play their own games and on their behalf, let's take turkey as an example, it is very important that it is a nato ally and yet turkey is not an interested party in

this conflict, you for ukraine has its own interests that do not coincide with the interests of russia . interests that do not coincide with the national interests of ukraine with the way they are interpreted in kyiv and in many other places, therefore one cannot nurture illusions about these forums and these mediators, i must say that basically ukraine must continue to be the main architect of its own victory, daily demonstrating to others that the greatest danger escalation occurs when the enemy's indecisive thinking is manifested and ukraine must continue to convey this opinion to the west every day with their words and actions. our partners and friends

in the west have warned putin extremely clearly yes, about the inadmissibility of the use of nuclear weapons and the inevitable consequences specifically for putin, on the other hand, we understand that the current trajectory points to various unconventional scenarios, which scenarios should we pay attention to now and how do you think china can react in the current situation because china is also not in excited about putin's threats, well, in particular, medvedev's mouth to use nuclear weapons, you know the answer and you should ask this question every time he says something, everything he will say about nuclear weapons on monday he will deny on wednesday lavrov says something else on thursday and on friday he will deny it, so we understand that all this communication from the russian side is designed to confuse the interlocutor and establish where

the lines of demarcation are between those who believe in this stupidity and who - nothing as for china , i must repeat what i said about turkey . china is also not a selfless player. china does not want russia to lose this war because the chinese understand that this will most likely lead to the destabilization of russia itself. china needs for russia to be a great power in the global system, to help china appease the united states and thus help to rule it despite all the reservations and fears that the chinese may have about how the war began and in what way it will be waged russia, the usual notebook of all public discussions and communications, they very clearly put all responsibility for the war on nato, this does not change in any of their

public statements, the chinese play the same game as the russians when it comes to disinformation of others and they succeed quite well, what are their statements through some of their channels that it was they who restrained russia from using nuclear weapons now. such a statement is very beneficial for both russia and china, it first of all confirms the rumors that russia really intended to use nuclear weapons in this conflict. although i am not the only one a person who does not see any evidence or grounds for this. and secondly, it is for the benefit of chinese interests to show the west that we are a mature, intelligent state that understands everything. in a broad perspective

, and you need good relations with us. if you want to rule russia, it seems that everything should be clear to a child, but people continue to take all this seriously, trusting influential chinese publications, to understand a lot of this, you need to understand chinese , fortunately, i have colleagues who understand it, so i emphasize that it is necessary to pay much less attention to this kind of public statements like this, dear james . in general, we understand what putin wants from the world and from ukraine at the moment, except for the continuation of the war and the seizure of our territories. and the killing of our civilians citizens, what happens in particular on a daily basis, a year ago, we remember that putin issued an absolutely unprecedented , senseless ultimatum, an ultimatum to the west, in particular to the euro-atlantic community, which was rejected for obvious reasons. now there

is an understanding of what is happening in the kremlin, so that they would like it. and is there an understanding of what resources they currently have at their disposal? the fact that general gerasimov, the chief of the russian general staff, was given back all his powers, and this means that the chief of the general staff is not just a well-known theoretician, so to speak, he is a person which can give indirectly, of course, appropriate orders from putin to give them to specific strategic units , but here the question is not only putin's e-e wishes. so here is the question of their capabilities and resources. i will repeat what i said in 2014. putin is determined to subjugate ukraine or to destroy it, i have nothing to add except one thing. back in 2014, and even earlier, he made

it clear that he wanted a deep transformation of the broader security order in europe, and in general , when in december 2021, two draft treaties nato and the usa were presented, the reaction of the west was predictable and universal, this is all absurd. we cannot accept this . the russians knew that this would be the case. in these two documents, they unabashedly outlined their ultimate goals to restructure nato in order to completely silence it and deprive it of any backbone. and the spirit, of course, they did not believe that at that moment we would decide to accept it or be ready for any discussions, their vision was different, so full, they say, after the war, after we destroy ukraine then

you will be ready to talk about it so the goals were formulated very clearly and for russia this war as well as victory in it is an indispensable prerequisite for changing the general order in europe and to prevent what dmytro trenin called a sensitive blow, i.e. a deep and painful blow to the west. how does it all fit together i don't see any change here what about the question you ask about do the russians have the resources to continue fighting so far they are succeeding yes there are different answers to the question of how far they can go with that what are they planning and what else could they have, but while the situation is as it is, we must confront it no matter what the final questions are before us, for example, regarding crimea when it comes to attacking and destroying those assets of targets and objects in crimea that

are used for waging war against ukraine, there should be no reservations here , another moment when it comes to those who have doubts about the expediency of the offensive on crimea for the purpose of its rhine corporation de facto part of ukraine, they are not afraid of the need to eliminate of all those threats, assets, facilities and weapons systems that are used. maybe even this morning for firing on ukrainian cities. in your opinion, how effective will the so-called lublin triangle be ? poland, lithuania-ukraine, we understand that estonia, which has taken an unprecedented step having handed over to ukraine all of its trailer-mounted howitzers, and now we understand that, rather than anything, it can help us in a certain way within the lublin triangle of additional great

britain, how effective will this so-called perhaps a small entente should first be understood, what should not be distracted by the details of the architecture of the membership of the circle and carry geometric noise defect the fact is that europe is divided between those countries and this also applies to the usa, which do not have direct experience and direct knowledge of what it means to be part of historical zone of influence of russia experience they have never been occupied and no matter how loyal and strong their feelings are , they understand all this quite abstractly and there is another part of europe that shares a deep historical experience not only with ukraine but also with russia intuitively understanding all its harmful influence and great britain is a very interesting

exception because for a whole year in the period between 1940 and 41 when the blitzkrieg was launched and there were not just fears but carefully developed plans of the german invasion of the british isles, the united kingdom was left alone in the field without an ally, so such a deep psychological echo resonates and still has its influence that the main point is that if the us loses its spirit and abandons of his current policy, all of us, not only ukrainians, will be oh how difficult it is that the return of donald trump to the white house in 2024, er, in moscow , an event of great importance will turn into a deathstroke, and this is one of the reasons why i believe that joseph biden his administration must understand in the national interest and

in their own that we must do everything so that this war ends by the end of next year . enter into a great continental war on the european continent, but little by little he was forced to support his friends from great britain and france and the russian empire, he de facto had no choice, and here the situation is such that we understand that everything can drag one after the other and accordingly, in the current situation, we should do the wisest thing for ukraine , in particular, it is about what mistakes, in particular , in the international arena, we should not assume the contribution that should be made

ukraine is not to lose heart and continue to do what it is doing on the battlefield. in addition, i think that some advisers of ukraine with good intentions, including military advisers in the west, need to unlearn the habit of treating ukrainians and the ukrainian military as students, they are not students ukraine ukrainian army, not american or british, can teach us many things. it has long experience of fighting against a force that we in britain and the usa consider to be an equal opponent. ukrainian knowledge about russia about how to fight against it is unique in europe. so we should treat it with more respect and not be tempted to micro-manage what the armed forces of ukraine are doing. i am not saying that we should stop very close daily consultations in all public and less public forms. we should continue because it is extremely

important and therefore necessary to find the right balance, because we have to learn exactly no less than to teach nine lloyd george, the british prime minister who endured the entire burden of the first world war, said in his time an extremely important thing moral rightness - this extremely important, but the issue of resources is even more important. that is the harsh truth. well, i would like to ask you at the event. they have already calculated all their resources that they will be ready to allocate to support us. in particular , we are talking about military resources , financial resources, and so on, and in general, what is the situation with russian resources, which putin will be ready to use in the war against names, the outcome of the war is decided not by the ratio of gdp, but by the conversion of national attributes, both moral and material, into useful power

. putin knows how to convert the attributes of russia into useful force it costs a lot of money and in the future it will cost even more because what they are doing and this he is not only changing russia , he is destroying it completely, he is so fixated on his goals in ukraine and against the west that he cannot refrain from saying that he can be ready to destroy russia in order to achieve these goals. therefore, you should not underestimate the determination of this man and the people around him, but the moment will come when everything, no matter what they do, will suddenly give a crack. russia is firm but not hardened. therefore, it can suddenly fall and when it happens, god knows who and when will be able to gather it again because it will be the beginning of a completely different and deeply disturbing drama

. unfortunately, we cannot do anything about it, because because of the military goals that russia has, because of its priorities and all its methodology, it created the situation in which there are now only two options victory or defeat is not the west's business to worry about what will happen in russia after its defeat , the west's task is to worry that we do not lose this main thing. issues that are ultimately of secondary importance we are at war in my opinion not only you but we are also at war so we have to focus on winning it somehow and then let russia take care of itself as to how long they can continue

continue to do what they are doing i don't know there are people more familiar with the russian economy than i who also admit that they don't really know but i suspect that when the changes come they will not be gradual they will be sudden very sharp and thank you very much, dear jame, for this honest and extremely important conversation, and i want to remind our tv viewers that james sher , a senior researcher at the center for international security and defense, a well-known british sovietologist, and now our guest will be mark fegin, a member of the russian opposition , working for them on the espresso tv channel in exile, a former deputy of the state duma , glory to ukraine, mark, i congratulate you, i greet all the viewers of the espresso channel. well, we have been traveling for a long time

, in particular, it is about the tank decision, and here the story seems to be finalized, well, at least in to its political and legal key, yes, all that remained was to get this equipment in any case in russia, hysteria about this, mark, in your opinion, what was the last straw in the matter of the allocation of not only two leopards in the country, but also abrams, yes, and what did he want now i would like you to encrypt, so to speak, the voice of pain well, as for the tanks, this is definitely very painful, this is a disease. yes, but it seems to me that this is not so much a reaction, even to these couple of hundreds of tanks, which are collected everywhere, and understanding even that this is only the beginning. continuation, they themselves openly say that there, where will you be? well, and so on . this is understandable, this quantity, but it seems

to me that moscow has finally reached this decision . it is the strategy, after all, you remember that throughout the entire history of the war , for one and seven months, we talked about the victory of ukraine and not to let ukraine lose . derivatives and suddenly they will end. it is clear. i think that no one in moscow is going to seek a compromise in order not to let ukraine disappear, not to let it lose its sovereignty and take it , namely to win and win. of the year, but the threat from the imperial moscow to the neighbors and this suggests that the war must inevitably spill over into

russia itself because the situation is such a war undoubtedly, for the putin regime, this regime, both personal and collective, will have the most far-reaching consequences, and this understanding causes a hysterical reaction to the propaganda they have in their parents ’ minds. it goes because , to be honest, this is the last statement. well, one of them is located in the same row, but one of them sounded. so we must conduct a special operation. a special operation will deal with the threats that emanate from our historical transmissions to our land, that is, you understand, that is, we are already talking about the fact that everything that is in the zone of interests of the moscow kremlin has long been, as it were , historically justified claims to its own lands, and from them the threat allegedly emanates. well then in

finland, the kingdom of poland must be prepared for the polish people. it is that there are no such intentions, there is no understanding of the picture of the world. well, in general, in the russian world , this is exactly what putin is now openly voicing. if you rewind it, i don’t even know for five years, even for 10 years. the northern lands of the state, which moscow historically belongs to, and it eliminates the threat from these very a-a potential threats because in reality there is no threat precisely from those historically considered theirs what do they consider these winters and this will certainly indicate everything what the opponents of the enemies of the kremlin were talking about. well, what did the kremlin itself say

? well, what did they say ? after her defeat , care for the next or 23 or even forty to solve their internal problems to overcome crises of power in a shift, it will also fit into this one. going forward, in any case, there will be some terminal expiration putin's powers, what will be the system, what will be with the economy, what will be with the social sphere, what will be with the demography, what will happen with the so-called allies in the person of beijing without the possibility of appeal, some potential former ally, a partner, as putin called it , that is, minus the request in everything, and this means that russia own resources in order to withstand the threats to the world and cope with them independently, you know , the sums stand in the face of putin's russia, it would not be able to demonstrate the capabilities of

the second army, the peace, this is the whole set in order to will simply seize the territory of the neighboring constitution of ukraine because everything broke down here precisely in ukraine, everything broke down well, this means, among other things, throwing it back to russia that moscow cannot fix its internal problems on its own. oh , let's now analyze how the current situation affects the situation inside russia itself so, in particular, it is about what is said in the regions. did putin manage to convince, so to speak, the relatives of those who died in ukraine? it is about the russian interventionists that they did something for it is useful to russia. well, and so on. and so on, that is, how do you feel about the situation inside russia itself now, and let's go right up to the point , how would we approach the materialists in a marxist way ? we see its fragmentation, we see its conflict prigozhina yes, how is the sky a new

substance, some new substance of power with its institutional parts, genstadt, we are on defense, eh, that means the administration of the president, if you saw it, they were pissed off they published about youtube me there by the way, they mention the main ukrainian media, but prigozhinsky concord is responsible for the old square, that is, according to the presidential administration, for the fact that it flows to this distorted information inform about the sanction in which youtube will play a central role well and so further, that is , fragmentation is going on with you and the parts, having previously turned out to be one, homogeneous, this power begins among itself, in fact, i will find out the relationship, considering how to impose everything on war is a higher way bloody because well, how many pieces do you have how many pieces do i have, well imagine one thing they do is divide the money divide the positions divide the hardware influence and the other separate you know the actual