[000:00:00;00] and because he sincerely believed that he should cover up his trip to thailand. and he already wrote there that he was just there traveling around southeast asia with important political goals, that it should be covered up with this meeting, that 's why all these remarks of the tyshchen were posted, it says that he is in pri or that he perceives everyone around him as a fool or that he is perceived that way. because there are several moments here , moment one, well, if you really think that you have a very important job in southeast asia, such a government, but you have to think about how this activity will be perceived in ukraine itself even if you are carrying out a political mission there, even you should understand that if you agree to carry out a political mission, well

, we know that there was no business trip, it was not signed by the speaker, you are basically going to a political execution because it is not some international conference, not a forum, that is, in davos is also an obvious resort where you can go skiing, but no one asks why you came to the fact that you obviously won't be expelled from france from the faction well, say you were in davos , did you go skiing there? world-economic forms, they talked only about ukraine what are you talking about, that i walked there for an hour somewhere in the mountains well, that's another matter, she doesn't have until now the main thing is what i was doing there, you can't force me to sit handcuffed for 24 hours by a chain to some desk there. well, it’s clear. you don’t even have any questions, but when you go to exotic countries in the high season, even if you go to meet the coral with the king.

after all, i made it up, so you should think about how it will be perceived in ukraine once and for all. if you really went on their initiative and they said so, kolya, come on, come in, you will see the king, then you should have thought that these people can be such great friends of yours as it seems to you that these people who decided to get rid of you in this way can get rid of you there and send you. he teaches and writes like that. well, you agreed. i was at the meeting. by the way, you see, the deputies of ukraine do not speak russian very well when it is not necessary to do so. appearance, so to speak they are all patriots. yes, yes. in this regard, it is also strange, i.e. lack of responsibility, first, lack of political thinking, second, lack of a sense of perspective, three, on the other hand, if a person there three years ago was a restaurateur, well, they will be a restaurateur

, this is the same case, in principle, this person is like the majority the people who got to the verkhovna rada of ukraine in 2019 should not have appeared there by definition, it simply shouldn't have been enough, well, now he was a tv presenter, now someone, who came there , you know that too, people are testing the situation someone by chance finds himself in his place, it happens that a person accidentally gets into some system, in any, you know, in the army , in the parliament, in buryat, and it turns out that she is in her place, no one expected such personal qualities from her, it happens like that, and someone just demonstrates randomness the process , and i say it again, will always speak in politics , the most important thing is professionalism, unprofessionalism , the verdict of a nation that elects non-professionals, this nation will go from crisis to crisis until its final state and national collapse

because politics, like any activity, requires steps, a person who becomes a surgeon will not operate on you simply because she decided that she can do it and you, uh , after she finishes 10th grade, you lay down gently, she stabbed you, and bye bye ukrainian television, the same applies to politics, if you elected inexperienced people into politics , blood, death and tears await you. when we said this a few years ago, everyone thought that it was insults. no , it's not insults. to our country attacked by a cruel enemy, the enemy again becomes clear who is who, who are some of these random people who are at the height of their place, some are not, but it is always a risk, because you can always get into a situation when you will be at the height, no one at all, consider that this is a lucky lottery, you

with some of these people, you luckily got a lucky ticket, but you couldn't get a lucky ticket with all of them . it doesn't happen like that when you have a godfather, yarmak, they voted for the fact that tyshchenko is a majoritarian, he is in the capital district, i don't remember the district, 2009 well, now let them choose banhoti, yes, after so many scandals, the velor scandal and the enzymes, he was there for his wife, remember during the coronavirus, he had parties when everyone was forbidden to go out of the house to the park , they were proof that we are now the masters of life , that we can now calmly walk our own there with dirty shoes on their heads and on most of our compatriots with you until there was a war, they liked it because the only desire they had was to be

in the place of such people, this is such a pyramid nepotism, today they are deputies, i hate them and tomorrow i will write myself on the list of deputies and start to indulge myself , it's like in those caricatures about capitalism , remember, which i always say were drawn in the soviet press, and then all these komsomol members , all these party workers, all these gamblers they broke away from capitalism and began to do as was not depicted in these caricatures because they did not know another world and these people have a caricature image of power in them. they do not understand what efforts, say, the ukrainian government made after the uprisings of the fourth 13-14 year to make this country at least a little civilized, they perceive it as a caricature, when they indulge themselves, they believe that it is the most important thing to show what they can do and that not all of them can. this is a disaster, a disaster , it could not be otherwise . because he was another driver of their reputation that went to the bottom

, a servant of the people, in principle, a party that is a personal project of the president of ukraine, and the question arises as to how much the president of ukraine is after the war, although you and i all know when when this war ends, we will need exactly such a party project, it is possible that another party project will be needed, other people who went through the war and were not in the parliament, who will rest from their responsibility because of the way you will go before society, which is possible after roki in this war, because we do not know how many it will continue, they will realize that there are long decades ahead of rebuilding the country from the ruins, this is such a large-scale task that even the war years can be considered many years of peaceful life and it is with such people, with people ready for these trials, that a new country will have to be built before this golgotha, it will not be good and it will not be easy for anyone, it will not be an easy country for the next 15 years at least . moreover, again, i did not lay down these 15 years, the years

of war. we are already talking about years are absolutely calm because one year has already ended - will the second one follow, or will there be a third, fourth, fifth, sixth, we don't know , but we understand that sometimes such wars are fought for a long time, because russia is ready for a multi-year war to exhaust the president in russia, he lives in a dream about such years of war, he simply adds a year of life to him every month of the war. well, unfortunately, he would take it like this, it might be better to take it away soon, well, it’s a glass, it’s such a street with two-way traffic, today he adds and tomorrow we lose something and take it away, but mr. vitaly, everything here they keep saying that he has a bunch of clones and even when he dies we won't know what he will be is that not true i want you i want you don't look putin may even have 25 doppelgangers doppelgangers it just doesn't

matter why doppelgangers make sense simply because they unload the first person i don't want to go anywhere putin what did you know i remember it very well from my years of work in moscow he is an incredibly lazy person a pathological person and you again why shouldn't he be a lazy person you will understand he also never was engaged in politics and suddenly passed the three highest positions there in three months, so to speak , became the president of a huge country . a question arises. it is necessary to work with documents, go to official meetings, work all the time, if you are the president of russia , in principle, you have a lot to do. believe me, i don't want to. i want to live normally in sochi

. residence in sochi. hey, you guys, i don't know dogs, because is there time for all this political bullshit ? i remember how they made so-called canned food around the time when putin became president , then he was a young man and who didn't speak against health at all, but there was an idea canned food what did it mean putin sits down like that and he means he records a video uh a row then they stick officials who specially come to moscow with putin, they don't meet regional or ministers they come at the appointed time for filming and yulia tymoshenko said that i'm referring to this post here they are they turned to this empty place. and then it was pasted together in the montage . and it turned out that putin

is meeting intensely all the time, working for the electorate, that is , for everyone, and at that time he was in sochi or somewhere else or vacationing abroad, and so it could to be for several months in a row, then he returned there, a new ogareva held some meetings, something else. and again it was like this for many years . maybe then he got so angry that he decided that he could not sit at this table at all . let some other people sit, technology allows that, but right here, your question is different, is it possible that if he dies , putin will sit there and say something to those around him, the real putin is not a cover, because for those around him, putin will be a person who balances the relationship between them

everyone for his environment. putin is a person who gave them the opportunity to earn money. these are his signatures in various state companies, which in this other are not his double and for his environment. he is a person who can promote some of them and eliminate others. the functions of putin himself, now imagine that he died . god forbid, what can putin's double do? he can't do all this, he 's just a puppet that can come out. if he exists at all, i'm just saying. well, let's assume that he exists. it doesn't matter. he can come out. and to say some words, they don't need words, they need the decisions of a person whom they all trust and who has gone through certain steps with them, she is related to them, i apologize with blood and a double is nothing for them, they can absolutely calmly say let's go to kolya patrusheva dima

medvedev, we will expose him naked in the cold and in the water . meaning only when there is as a living and acting person, hitler was also said to have had some doubles. well, who was interested in hitler’s doubles at the time when hitler died . hitler was a carrier of political charisma for his entourage. in a cap, you are me, i think the audience was happy, mr. vitaly , because after all, the average age of a person's life is somewhere around 65-70 years, not according to modern medicine. i think that with the time of modern medicine , as a person who is in high positions in such a country as russia, 90 years does not mean that if a person does not have any

fatal diseases, or he can die as a result of the institution, he can live less. but if you imagine that vladimir putin is, in principle, a person without such fatal diseases and will not oppose him my own entourage i want you, it's great that he is still 14 years old, at least russia's prosecutors well, that's 30 people, 30, you know, in 146th year, that 's how much 14 to win earlier, we hope for that, it doesn't mean that putin will remain the president of russia but we will have more no, i think that if we win for you, it will simply be a matter of cementing the russian regime, the post-principle of north korea, they will say that their territories are occupied by the west, that the west, that ukraine, which is an instrument of the west, stole russian territories, russian donbas and crimea , which are dying under the power of nazis that

of course they would very much like to use nuclear weapons, but they are afraid of the answer that they will not use them on the topic, but they are afraid of the west's answer, how do the north korean regime exist he is absolutely sure and the residents of north korea are absolutely sure that south korea is occupied by the americans, in principle, the north korean troops were in seoul and they were knocked out from there by the south korean troops and the americans and they were the un troops and what has north korea been doing since 1950 555 is how much years well, many ten years 70 she is preparing for the unification of the peninsula in order to drive out the americans that all koreans have united in a happy life under the guidance of comrade kim chennyk and before that kim er-er

arsen why do you think that russia cannot do so look, well, for the russians, victory in the war is very important. and if they lose, maybe they will want to elect putin, eh, it won't matter what they want there, because the other candidates won't be, as they say, what they want, but putin's entourage already also will not be with putin's leader, he may believe that if putin loses, they will all lose, they may believe that they will not be able to maintain power without him , besides, again, what should be considered a victory for russia, we are yours , it is not accepted, russia de-nazified ukraine where they militarized ukraine already more does not pose a threat to russia because you just remember that on the eve of this special operation, the president of ukraine , volodymyr zelenskyi, announced that they were developing a nuclear bomb at a conference in munich , biolaboratories were created, which were special bacteria that, if they got into the nose of a russian citizen, they

created a terrible disease that led to his fattening by 155 kg, he had to suffer and now all these biolaboratories have been destroyed and ukraine will never be able to produce nuclear weapons either. because during the presence of the glorious russian troops in chernobyl, they destroyed all possibilities, all samples of nuclear weapons, listen to the interview with sergeant ivan petrov hello, i personally destroyed the nuclear bomb that vladimir zelensky assembled from plastic and special american parts before our arrival at the chernobyl station, and this is a victory but there is a problem, part of the russian lands as a result of our victory is controlled by the nazis, the russian people will because they will accumulate resources in order to

liberate these territories and who, say angel who can liberate the russian lands from the nazis, that's who, only vladimir vladimirovich, you and i can already conduct this 60 minutes instead of kabiye popov, you see how it turns out to learn this for 30 seconds. there is a very interesting topic for conversation regarding the inheritance that our commander-in-chief received, they found out that he was industrious from an american of ukrainian origin , whose name is hryhoriy stepanets. and i know, by the way, that he is from vinnytsia. and this is my compatriot i am also from vinnytsia, and mr. vitaliy was told that you know something. and you even know this person personally, that’s true. i don’t know this person personally . well, it’s a great pity. how did i find out about the existence of mr. stepanets already when mr. stepanets was a ghost

and well, he was not alive, but he i was just working on my will and friends of mr. hryhoriy stepanets turned to me as a journalist, because mr. hryhoriy himself, and then after his death, these friends and lawyers of his had questions of a purely logistical nature, as strange as it sounds, but it seems to us that here think about this, you are an american citizen , and how do you want to bequeath money, a lot of money, to the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine? how will you do it? you will write a letter to the press service . well, it is possible, but it is also a matter of trust. you want to talk to people who will be able to carry out this will to know for sure that these are people who represent the interests let's just say that i was not just i helped these people who carried out mr. grigory's last will to find

the contacts of those people and organizations that were this inheritance is intended, this inheritance is this way, he decided, well, in fact, to help the ukrainian army, it was not personal . he always wanted to help the ukrainian army. he simply trusted mr. valery zaluzhnyk. he made this conclusion. mr. valery zaluzhnyk was a person of his trust, and i think that he justified this trust, it is absolutely obvious , but by the way, there are many people who level the reputation of a diligent person in such a way that they say well, it is so clear that he should have done it, send it to the account well, it would be understandable, but he anyway, he did it and thereby confirmed his relations op valery, no one forced him to make the money public, this money was sent, as far as i understood, the inheritance was his, he could

dispose of this money as he saw fit. i also think that something is absolutely logical he thinks it is necessary. i think that his desire and the desire of mr. hryhoriy stepanets coincided, and this is very important, because you know this, this is such an example of virtue, because mr. hryhoriy, he has already made great scientific progress in soviet science, he is pitiful man well it was four or five years in 1938. he was 85 years old this year. so, he was making great progress in soviet science, but since he had honest political views that were not soviet, he was essentially deprived of the opportunity to work in his profession. was forced to leave the soviet union and the united states, he proved his high qualification

as a scientist, and after that he decided that here part of his inheritance in the last days of his life, he and as i understand, he was very concerned about what was happening with ukraine i would say that even in the last months, we imagined and imagined that a person there understands that she remains the world and sees what her native country is, what does it mean, and she wants to do something for the development of of the development of this country has already reported that about the legacies of mr. zaluzhny, the ukrainian catholic university , as well as the ukrainian kyiv-mohyla academy, also received funds. modern modern ukrainian education, which is also absolutely logical for a scientist, because we understand very well that ukraine needs

not only to protect, but also to develop the army , science is the pillar for this country to develop, so my participation in this was minimal. i think that for me to apply, they just knew that i exist as a journalist in ukrainian, they could apply to any other ukrainian journalist. i am glad that, uh, i have trust as a journalist. but i believe that many of my colleagues also deserve trust of this kind i here you can't compare, let's say my these pultation capabilities and no no no i'm just saying that i'm real and i'm reality - this is the act of mr. zuluznoy, the act of mr. stepanets, you don't know you don't need to compare these real things with the journalistic function we always have maybe you also donated, as it were in general, this is not a question of an extra million. it is obvious that this is a completely different story. if i believe that in this case, a million should have been given to the commander-in-chief of the armed forces on

a journalist, agree to these under these conditions. so i just think that everything happened rightly and very glad that i just became a witness of this important such story, this, you know, such an absentee dialogue between people who , unfortunately, will never meet each other again because mr. hryhoriy died, but these mr. hrygoriy, mr. valeriy showed us these eyes, you know, such an example of how it is possible to treat the homeland even when you haven't lived in the homeland for many years because mr. hryhoriy stepanets left the soviet union back then in 1989. yes, it's always been three decades and i always said that the homeland i don't want to say that he lived in moscow since the 50s, that is, in fact , he lived for a few years, yes, he lived for a few years in your native

vinnytsia, about 15 years minus the evacuation. yes , but you see, that was enough. that's it. what is left is internal. that is why people ask this many times. and how do people perceive their countries and countries in which they do not live and do not visit? this is a mental connection, as the jews there are always israeli. why are there people who are american citizens with israeli and jewish roots ? they go there to fight in israel's defense army they live in america well, it's okay, no war , and this is a mental connection here grigory eh stepanetsa, there was an obvious mental connection with ukraine, which only got stronger when the trials began , it's just peter, oh, in this country, there are some problems, troubles are better and i live here to connect to the states, well, it’s better to forget about it, no . and here i really hope that this is an example

of such a modern attitude for one’s own land as valery, dependent in your opinion, and vitaly manages to keep this his reputation and uh, not hm to get involved in some scandals that are still taking place within ukrainian politics . i think that because valery is diligent and keeps his reputation because he is not a participant in the political processes of the delay, you understand, a person can express himself she can make statements to determine a certain position, but when one does not draw any conclusions from this position , when this position is simple, what should you do ? that's how it is and that's how a person maintains authority. of the defense of ukraine at the time of this story with these corrupt officials. well, he supported this position, he believed that the minister of defense was not

involved in this story, what was the situation when the french armed forces supported this law for increasing the responsibility of military personnel , which they opposed a large part of society, but this large part began to say that he is not a good man, he has lost our trust because a person has every right to his position, and he should not be, you know, ideal, he is with politicians always strive for ideality, but this, by the way, seems to me a moment that can be said about. they want to be liked all the time, so if as soon as they see that someone does not like something, they immediately run after this locomotive , which i don't like it either. take me as only society, even perhaps mistaken, changes his position with this position, changes the position of politicians and leadership, i already said this at the beginning of our conversation, when i spoke about general de gaulle, it is possible and this is

the defense of unpopular decisions of politicians, such a person can to be wrong but the most important thing is that he defends his position as, er, the one he presents to society, he is just a hard worker, not a politician, but i say again that when it comes to such statements about such and such, people see that he has his own point of view and that he does not adapt to them and i very much hope that this example will one day be a political example , you know, because we underestimate how western politicians are. they very often go against their own society, here are two styles . by the way, president macron , federal chancellor, federal chancellor merkel kasa kammerkel always wanted to be a chancellor who took into account the public interest, only now everyone is asking how effective this legacy was for germany now

, and president macron has already spoken out many times against the position of his own society, and you see now these huge strikes and all this this then leads to compromises, however, if the leader of the country does not come up with unpopular decisions, then this country is waiting for him, he is not the leader for this country , the economic end is waiting for this country sooner or later, because we understand that people always want simple solutions to complex issues, i want more pensions, more salaries, more vacations, more apartments , and i want to leave, and who does n’t want to? who wants less? listens, but we were talking now not about the political role, but about the role of the command if the armed forces of ukraine. i think that this is the right position and he should not take part in political disputes, but be a person of his own clear

position so we can come to the end of our dialogue mr. vitaliy for an as always interesting conversation vitaliy portnikov and then ulyana panasiuk with news do not miss the situation at the front and also the terrorist attacks in