[000:00:00;00] ah-ah-ah, you have entrusted this institution with huge budgets and it is entrusted with the ideological treatment of russian society at all levels and precisely the formation of this mobilization resource in various social and age strata, but what we see now is exactly what will be formed around uh, the image of the ministry of defense will be the question here . well, in my opinion, whose image they are, will they try to take a conditional image there, or will the image of zhukov's victory at any cost, despite the losses, be formed? there is a conventional image of rakosovsky or vasylevsky at the expense of military art at the expense of e there are tricks of some elements e-e because e-e to take the image

of an anti-hitler coalition joining the efforts of the whole world against some common evil. this is not will work because the world has united against russia and the image of the leader of the war from the political leader will be used. now it is very symbolic that you are showing footage of the attempts of the russian state machine to drag the russian state machine into the information space and social space world war i. by the way, zhuka and rokossovsky were participants in it, but let's say the russians didn't succeed , i don't know for some reason, and they just started using the image of continuing to use the image of the great patriotic war, what threats does it pose to ukraine the actual transfer of these emphases from a special operation to the format

of a holy war, or should we somehow counteract these new narratives that russia will not plant on its own population, or is this actually their game , should we simply act with the enemy only on the field you have been asked a very interesting question about whether we should react to the informational actions that the russian government directs mainly at its own population, in my opinion, we should monitor them and respond to the extent and to the extent in which they can er be by the words for our population because we should not reject the fact that there is a certain group of the ukrainian er population that is nostalgic for the soviet past as for which the image of the great patriotic war, the image of the soviet victory is quite acceptable and in this point

russians will try to transfer it to our society thanks to, let's say, information psychological operations or their combination . they saw the installation of memorial plaques, the installation of desks in schools for the dead, and in quotation marks, let's say a russian hero, all this is aimed precisely at forming among the population, first of all, among the youth er, the willingness to die for the interests of the state, that is, in fact, we are talking about the fact that the main risk is that the loss of the enemy on

the battlefield does not cause any resonance in russian society, because they dissolve in the format of this new divisional concept that everything is for the sake of victory and life already unimportant then actually it even removes some responsibility for the russian military leaders that it is possible to carry out offensive operations or any actions regardless of losses, that is, this concept of rokossovsky or zhukov that you are talking about they said earlier, that is, in fact, a challenge - this is a significant number of languages ​​of a resource that will continue to go to the battlefield, so the challenge is that it will be a resource that will appear on the battlefield for quite a long time, and this is a resource. maybe it will not be ready there to self-sacrifice or to some actions, but he will mindlessly continue to carry out these orders. this is precisely the threat that, in fact, all that we have now in the east. this is this uh, uh, tactic

of endless human waves, which, for example , during the second world war very often did the german machine gunners remember there during the battle of the mines or during the battle of the dnieper that the german machine gunners were already starting to lose their minds and the soviet infantry continued their offensive without counting the executions , this is exactly what i remember our er defenders passing on information there from under the bahmut from - under the ugledar from under the soledar and it will be i think that it will continue from a certain time they will not be counted as serrats. afghanistan due to the losses of the american military in vietnam is capable of influencing russian society and inciting it to some kind of active resistance, special military

operations, involvement in the war now, the russian military leadership actually does not recognize the general scale of losses that are on the front line. but can we expect something because over a period of time, they will try to convert even these losses into such a motivating factor, yes, that is, monona, or reformat it into these lost what, in fact, we said there that we have losses few now many very many and therefore let's rally even more to go to the front there may be such a paradigm in the actions of the russian leadership in principle it is absolutely quite possible again it will be a tracing paper from the soviet actions of the second world war when at a certain period of the conduct of hostilities losses hide then after uh the population says yes, they get used to them uh they start to be used just as a motivational factor i completely

agree with your opinion that at some point this is possible this huge amount of losses will be poured out. but it will be poured out into russian society. yes. precisely from the point of view of the formation of these sentiments of holy revenge, and already here we can say what we will say, as they say to the orthodox or there to the russian jihad of revenge for the dead. it is quite possible that an understanding of where this is happening will be used, mom, the border of er-e as a result of this patriotism there is er-e russian territory until a certain time, because now it is difficult to imagine that you can say that there is khersonska zaporizhzhya oblasts there, they are considered to be russian, although they, of course, pulled it into their administrative, constitutional , conditional decisions, that is, does this mean that the death of a significant number of enemies there, even on the territory of zaporozhye, will still be presented precisely as a defense it is the national

interests of the russian federation that it will be necessary that they should just sacralize this territory, and sacralization occurs primarily through sacrifices through blood, and here it should be remembered that starting since 2014, already in the annexed crimea and in the temporarily occupied territories of e.e. luhansk and donetsk regions, russia has deployed a powerful propaganda company in this territory is widespread - this is the youth army movement that i mentioned, it is also widespread in a-a territory occupied this year i have already seen mentions of the formation of youth army units from the youth who remained in mariupol , in berdyansk, in the territory of the kherson region , they will try to spread this entire array of aggressive propaganda to the local

population and try to drag it into that resistance to the ukrainian offensive, which i hope will happen soon, you once claimed that the russian military leadership during the war took advantage of the most primitive instincts of russians whom they set free, that is, in the format of this war, it is actually possible to loot, rape , kill prisoners and all this is normal , so explain to me how much this normality is in general. well, such a systemic thing for the russian army or those standards that are being implemented for us today, well , it is these armed forces of the occupiers. if we let's talk about the historical aspect, we can mention at least the events when russian imperial troops operated , for example, on the territory of poland - this is suvorov's campaign on warsaw in 794 years, this is the cherkasy wars - this is the war on the territory of central and central

asia, this is how it worked and the red guards and the red army on the territory of ukraine in 17:21 this is how the special units of the nkvd and the red army acted, suppressing insurgent movements on the territory of ukraine and on the territory of the baltic countries after the second world war. this is exactly how soviet troops operated on the territory of nazi germany and hungary during 44-45 years, this is how soviet troops operated in afghanistan, that is, to conduct a spectrum of war crimes, looting, mass rape , degradation of cultural values, looting of the population, looting of property, all this is a crime in fact, it has been transformed into such certain manifestations of military prowess, and in fact

, this is exactly the controversial slogan grandfathers fought, that 's exactly how they always fought, and again, it's even possible to remember the same words vysotsky in one of the songs, a-a, my neighbor's mother has er-er dragons and snakes, then by the wolf, the father came with trophies. that is , these er-er trophies are the right to plunder. he always existed in russian society in the russian er-er military. we see it live, if someone did not believe that the russian army or the soviet army fought like that in history, now we have seen it all live on our territory and in fact all the myths that were built around the soviet and russian armies regarding their virtues

their nobility during the war and there the words of the officers or closer they are simply all these months of russian aggression against ukraine they have been destroyed and not only ukrainian society has seen it. i hope that the whole civilized light has seen it . such a component as he briefly mentioned at the beginning of our conversation about the role of the wagnerites , how do they generally fit into this concept of a holy war or actually now we see that there is this group and the k-kadyrivites and the maids will be pushed aside and now only the military will be in the foreground, this means that actually the mission itself in prigozhina can be considered completed, or am i wrong? no, i did not confirm wagner as a separate structure, i

would have remembered from the second world war a well-known structure is the girlywanger, who uses the wehrmacht there and the ss, later exclusively the ss, let’s say what a dirty job in order to prevent a huge number of executions or to prevent the countries that resisted, well, deploy it strongly just again - after all, there is the same history of the crimea nals that were widely used during the hostilities, so it was wagner who formed his own subculture, er, subculture, er , on his hand, they had signs, a subculture of awards, in which there is a lot, let’s say , from nazi germany or from, let’s say, the romance of assault units the first and second world wars

, which absolutely do not fit into this paradigm, and the soviet holy war, i think they will be divided to a certain extent, and it is possible that they can also bring this soviet ideology scheme to you, wagner penalty bats that were used in parallel with the regular units of the red army just to fulfill the task that can bring huge losses let's say so heavy , it's not a pity at all, that is, in fact, we are talking about the fact that in parallel with this concept of holy war , the effectiveness of the repressive apparatus in russia will increase because in fact it has to compensate for any manifestations of misunderstanding of this concept, this means that it is necessary to increase the number of e-e convicts in prisons to use e-e suppression of mass media information that is taking place in its own stage and this should be just another component of this holy war, so it is possible to predict

, in fact, we can say that a new war in the russian connotation, eh, is constantly due to this is still falling out, we can also mention smersh and the strengthening of eh activities of the nkvd during the second world war and the fight against the internal enemy. that is, the russians are still waiting. i think that this will gradually increase , especially with the increase in losses, because it is possible that the russians are not capable of to open some resistance to the internal politics of one's own state, but let's say that to the conversation in the kitchen and the internal disagreement disagreement let's say it in the russian language raptania it will gradually increase, but we see an example when 700,000 potential

mobilized russians left for the first time there in the dnipro month from the russian federation and there were no facts of any effective or any manifestations there for more than a year of murmuring or more of any actions of resistance in russia. this is a consequence of what uh, well, look again those who left are actually, well, you can say that for them it is the highest degree of active resistance to what they are capable of now, but we can remember the fall of 2022, when even in social networks there appeared quite a large number of videos about uh small or quite significant riots within the russian army, even at the beginning of the 23rd year, it was already mentioned about one of the most active as participants in which the punishment was imposed, he was sent there to the disciplinary units

for its departure and even the wagners all they offered him to atone for his guilt, he simply left here, i think several models will be used, and one of them will be precisely the fear of the future. was not ready to exchange his comfort or at least some primitive own freedom of thought , that territory of russia was left, i.e. , the most active component that was capable of resistance was left by those who remained at the maximum . what will they be capable of, it will be riots, but it is here that another parallel should be mentioned, that it was precisely the soldier's riots that destroyed the russian imperial

army at the end of the 16th and the beginning of the 17th century, which actually became the trend before the fall of the russian empire, a panacea, an extreme question about that. who knows all wars and the previous ones, how they ended , how our war against the russian federation can and should end. well, i think that here it can and should, there should be one option, it will be a military defeat of russia on the field fight and she must end with the military and political defeat of russia, well, let's say in a more global dimension of international relations, it should be possible to form a new system of collective security , and this must necessarily take place through a series of measures. well, let's call them

military tribunals and military and political criminals whose activities made it possible for this war to start and all the crimes that took place are due to vasyl. thank you for your professional explanations for your time. organization, the center of military history, but the concept of a holy war is actually a kind of situational basis for the enemy to ideologically compensate for defeats and failures in the war, which moscow initially believed that it would be guaranteed to win, but this did not happen. and in fact, at the same time , russia's desire for destruction remains unchanged ukraine's ukrainian statehood and the genocide of the ukrainian people as such is not the embodiment of the concept of the russian measure that we know about, but it is something a little bigger

and broader, but now oleksandr is on the phone kyrychuk is the deputy director of the lviv museum of religious studies. oleksandr, i congratulate you. good afternoon. you have been studying for a long time how russia behaves, the russian leadership with its russian measure in its attitude to its own population and to the countries bordering russia, and you presented theses at several conferences. and the evidence that the russian leadership is now implementing such a new concept or a new plan which, in a simplified way, can be said to be a plan for the reproduction of a new horde, so what exactly is the problem is that for russia, in order to carry out expansion , it was necessary to consolidate the entire population of the russian federation, and here the question arose that it is necessary to organize not only

the russian ethnic element, purely russians, but also the numerous peoples who live beyond the urals. there are a huge number of imurs, two chuvashs, and er , chechens, tuvans, and the question arose of how to create a new theology that would actually involve in this holy war, these numerous peoples are, of course, projects of eurasia, about which there is a lot it is possible to say that in general it looks marginal even today in the ukrainian information space , little is known about it, we don’t talk about it much, but in fact, this specter of eurasianism is very active in the spaces of russian work and there are several different projects, and when we look at that how terrible what happened in bucha what happened in mariupol how they destroyed the city we cannot understand we still live in the paradigm of the russian world

we are brothers and here they are destroying and what is most interesting is what the russians are destroying on the territory of ukraine those what is the russian-speaking population that only yesterday sympathized with russia as a brother and there with the russians as in some way the carriers of the ideology of the russian world , and here the cities are literally bombarded and destroyed, and when we see the letter z - this is the smell we are going to the west, this is the ideology of the new scythians and the new horde and eurasianism, well, we can talk a lot about this, because in russia there are several projects that should unite all different peoples. that is, we are talking about the fact that now this concept of the russian world has already worked its way out and to replace this concept this eurasianism is coming, that is, the concept of the new horde, which involves moving there with unchanged instincts to the west and destroying everything, destroying everything and capturing the territory, precisely focusing on the fact that we

simply have more, well, russian peace, it was active , this concept was active in the 14th year, when there was the ideology of the russian spring, it failed and the search for something new went. and actually, when you look at what is written in the various press and bloggers who are the bearers of these different concepts , you can be horrified and it actually looks implausible, for example to one gas it is said that the biome of the grandmasters smacks the chess pieces off the board and wins, we warm up the game in others - it is declared that mobilization is not in the literal sense, we were talking about mobilization here, but mobilization in the spiritual dimension, and well, i, as a person who went to explore the actual such a component cultural segment is ideological, i would like to familiarize the audience more with this philosophy of theirs, which explains a lot to us why destroy these cities, why this, what

does this letter z mean and such other things why why the cities are actually being destroyed, why in fact these actions were taken by mariupoli, you are talking about the fact that this is actually a reflection and a component of this new concept of the horde, which is so far well, i do not know in which documents it is written, but it is embodied precisely in the behavior of the russian army, as he the essence of this very idea again. let me not be servile, i will say this in order, that is, for the first time the bearer of this eurasian concept was the second in 2003, he created the international union of eurasianism and immediately e literally in the first two years, 29 vials were opened on in the west, in particular, in the countries of latin america and where people from the russian federation live, well, we can talk about dugin separately. in our country, most people believe that he is the bearer of the ideology

of the russian world, but actually the ideologues later on, we came up with a concept that became deeper and became the eurasian youth union, which was headed by the daughter of the second nazariya the second one was actually killed and it is a separate issue to talk about it, because to go to russia they say that it is sambur , he made the ultimate sacrifice in order to mobilize this eurasian and then the project presented by zarifulin came, it is the scythians, there are scythians who are ready for mobilization, so i will allow myself to read a quote by zarifulin, when he declared in the 22nd year that a war had begun, which in the discs of mobilization by scythians without a camera model for the special service of the sacred property of spife is fighting his enemies in ranks dyastvo vanguard of the state army, well , it was also adopted by humilov, well, it is called

his poem to scythia, scythia, in this way and with the eyes of the whole european space - this is russian trans-ural for the urals for the european part, everyone is united by this ideology. perhaps it has not yet acquired such a broad slogan, but in order to argue that this is a rather dangerous ideology, i will remind you that the ideology of the russian peace was formed in 2001, and in the 14th year it manifested itself as russkaya spring is the same as the ideology of the eurasianist, it is gradually coming and well. another reason why the russian authorities have now made an insertion on the e-e eurasian is also connected with the fact that the e-e russian opposition is mainly liberal, this letter the russian business elite and we all live in front of that because of what we talk about in our domestic mass media. we

listen to those russian and parades, but as i said once, the news was sent to them and the people , and they really don't know the judges. they speak in words e- are liberal, which are not widely read in russia. the second reason that the model of eurasianism has emerged and is becoming more and more relevant is that there are numerous peoples living beyond the urals with a rather low social status, and it is necessary that they they didn't make a project of social rebellion, so tell them to go and loot, and that's why there is a project that was actually created by a colonel of the russian army - this is pyotr vasko , alias andriy devyatov, you can see him on facebook, he is actively promoting it, and he came up with the concept of a new

the horde is actually based on the concept of the new horde, and it is possible to explain all the atrocities and atrocities committed by the russian federation, because andriy devyatov explained that, you know, it sounds proud, and the new horde is the third card, the first horde is the golden horde, the second horde it is the soviet union spaces overlapped together with the golden horde and the third horde is our future , we unite all peoples and move forward, and here it is very revealing that in the 11th year they filmed the film golden horde, i watched it in detail studying this problem and drew attention to the following phrase, there is a plot when a delegation of the vatican comes to the head of the golden horde and asks what will happen if they will destroy their european cities, and they

are answered why i will give them a city we need a stake and you will shepherd it in a figurative sense well, how sacred shepherds uh, spiritual fathers and this is such a metaphorical sound of this. however, it is not an ideology. we must create a new civilization, that is why they are destroying everything in the south of ukraine, we see that where the city was liberated, the desert remains . under putin. they have something to do with this concept of the horde or the strategy of the horde. in moments of crisis , various hidden cults always arose, and the first was the international youth union . there are certain leaders who walked around

bugina, who were interested in balls in such different sciences, in particular, well, there are certain such testimonies of some people that they are even connected with satanism, er, with the summoning of spirits, and when we hear the nightingale of a russian political scientist , a scientist who likes to say that putin summons spirits there, what he conducts various covert, er, such measures, then it can at first glance well, how much for you about putin , in fact, there are quite a lot of people around putin who are in favor of it, and it is difficult to say whether the leadership really believes this occultism had, let's remember that it has always been quite popular. is it just a game, a game in order to attract more and more people , but one way or another it is practiced in the russian federation? and for how many concerts in eurasia, it is connected with various