[000:00:00;00] under the hammer by the captain of the first rank of the armed forces of ukraine , the head of the security programs of the center of global studies, strategy 21, mr. pavlo, i welcome you to the broadcast of the marathon. because the offensive is taking place, they start differently, and there is such an option, when the offensive begins unexpectedly, when the movement of the training of the troops is held by the tank, then bach begins unexpectedly defense breakthrough there is this option and there is another option when there is a gradual accumulation of forces and

a gradual increase in the degree of hostilities. it seems to me that this is exactly the option the russians chose. flank in the donbas direction, and now the question of how ready the armed forces are to resist the scale of the offensive is of particular interest in terms of providing equipment, because the last week was so breakthrough in terms of supplies the equipment of many countries, 12 to be specific, they promised to deliver us heavy weapons, tanks, and the total number of these tanks was announced as 321, this figure was named by the

ambassador of ukraine to france. i apologize to the ambassador of ukraine in france, vadym omelchenko yesterday in an interview with the french tv channel bsn, president zelensky announced our needs at the level of 300-500 tanks, but here there is also the question of supply, the question of training, again, people are fighting at the front for a long time, the question arises rotations, will we have time with all this, and this is really the case quite difficult, first of all, the situation at the front is really difficult in the entire area starting from the north, from bahmut and south to ugledar, the line of defense is on fire , the enemy is active in full offensive , exhausting our troops, and this is precisely what is behind him, because it is no secret to anyone that the armed forces of ukraine planned

and continue to plan the liberation of our land , the wedding period. so now one of the enemy's goals is not the main one. perhaps, but one of the most important is to prevent this and exhaust our reserves. we are forced instead to accumulate strategic reserves of personnel and ammunition equipment, to throw these resources at the defense, and this is one of the enemy's goals, and here we must also take into account that these announced deliveries of weapons will take place within several months, and some will take place within several weeks, and some will take months. some quite long months, panton, we are talking about 9 months and about

six months, but the main mass of weapons should be put on somewhere within 2-3 months, during this time our military should learn to use the action, er, to lead a battle against them to serve and this well, it is an extremely difficult task for our logistics for the rear, and our partners are aware of this when talking about the fact that the assets drawn are very difficult, but we are confident and our allies are convinced that we will cope with these tasks. i also hope that at the same time as conducting defense actions, we will be able to increase our strength, and for the counter-navigation, this is of course a challenge, but it is not the first time that the armed forces of ukraine have faced such challenges. we believe

in their strength in their place, that they will cope with such challenges, thank you very much for the analysis of the situation pavlo lekhchuk - the captain of the first rank of the armed forces of ukraine on our broadcast analyzed the situation at the front and the prospects of confrontation in the event of a larger -scale offensive by the russians, notifying the military personnel who were wounded or injured in the service and are currently being treated from the signs , the commander of the they have ukrainian armed forces lieutenant general serhii naev among the awardees bohdan krylov, who was captured by the russians in mariupol and spent 8 months there, received an award, and petro shilenko wounded in the east of ukraine, they also awarded vitaliy shmeya, who was seriously wounded under the avdiyivka. he has been bedridden for 5 months

. their stories are further on in the story . if people knew about us, what we are and , as they say, they are looking for awards for their heroes nice very very nice unexpected at all not expected so he told us this he didn't know russia's invasion of ukraine caught bohdan back in 2014, he served in the crimea as a naturalist in chernihiv, but the occupation of the peninsula began and the crew returned to the territory controlled by ukraine in 2016. the man serves in the 501st battalion of the marines. in 2018, he was seriously wounded. he rescued a comrade. 2018 employee in 2020 and now again extracting plates continued treatment on february 24, 2022, bohdan, together with the battalion , was in a wide area in donetsk region, then mariupol

and 8 months of russian captivity of physical the treatment was very bad , the interrogations were carried out with the help of dynamo shockers, and the finger was abused every day, so they did not give food normally, the cell in the cells, they were constantly sitting in the cells, sitting like mummies, do not move, there is a lot of propaganda going on. they think that they are unleashing fascism on the world and nazism and they believe it and in general, it was sad at home for the husband , his wife and son were waiting for him on the first of december, bohdan was exchanged, now he is undergoing rehabilitation after a concussion and injury and says that he wants to return to the service, he must return, he must to teach the boy, because i have a little interrogation. he can teach the boys faster, this is already a victory, so that there will be and everything will be fine. in our country , petro shilenko from kozelets received an award, he went

to serve as a volunteer in march 2022, he was in chernihiv oblast, then in the east of ukraine , he was wounded there at 10 a.m. on the 14th, a new one is coming in the system of donetsk, they broke through our position and started our world there, they shelled somewhere so scary, scary for the administration , very big fear. make a noise in the ranks of the armed forces. he has been serving since 2014. in february, march 2022, he defended kyiv oblast, chernihiv oblast, then the east of the country , in

august he was wounded under the avdiivka. a man, a father who is trying to get him out, he didn’t get a son, you got an award, the heat doesn’t change, that, well, the state will not be forgotten, we will be very, very , very happy, and what they are doing is, well, they communicate with us, for me, you know that, a big plus, parents we are not a big member, опайт месяц всех пошёл с 6 месяц, i sit and publicize his story in social networks with the help of volunteers , says serhii shumei, negotiations are underway regarding the rehabilitation of my son abroad, they were interested in what eh from germany, great britain, and america , and he promised, well, the shakhtar football club will help us the commander of the combined forces of the armed forces of ukraine serhii naev says that military awards are their support

and motivation for any commander to take care of his subordinates, and the same applies to those brothers who were wounded or in combat injured and undergoing treatment, honoring soldiers is also a significant aspect of motivating servicemen to further reveal their capabilities on the battlefield . the commander also presented awards to medics who treat soldiers . undying glory to the heroes, we are moving on , the work with western partners regarding tanks does not stop, ukraine must now focus on ensuring that their number meets

to the needs at the front and as soon as possible, deputy minister of foreign affairs andrii melnyk said in an interview with the public that he , however, is already calling on the international community to provide ukraine with modern modern fighter jets , how realistic is this and when will the first tanks arrive ? elena rymovska asked the germans. they still don't want to realize the scale and nature of this war, that is, they think everything , they gave a little, you know. well, it all has to end by itself somehow. they they do not understand what this war is. it is, in terms of its scale, well, in fact, almost the same as the second world war of mr. melnyk. this week, two countries at once, the usa and germany , actually unblocked the supply of modern tanks to ukraine . i congratulate you on this event of all names, but separately . i also congratulate you and your

colleagues at the ministry of foreign affairs, because i understand that this is a very big job and a long effort. in fact , it is possible to congratulate all ukrainians, because this is, well, this is really a breakthrough, first of all, of the army, and this process has been going on for too long. we are one of the first days, well, at least in germany and in other countries , uh, we have been raising the topic of heavy weapons, especially heavy weapons there since the first weeks of the war , but in fact, you see, it took more than 11 months until this decision was made, and that is why i am very sorry, because how much could have been done and prevent how many victims were killed at the front, well, you know, this is a decision where there is joy on the one hand, but sadness and anger, well, on the other hand, why is it that the german leopard is such a separate topic for you, since relatively recently you had your way countries in germany i saw on your twitter what you wrote eh hallelujah when it became known that germany is still unblocking this

process and i saw that eh raised a mug of german beer for eh this event really why do you think in the end after 11 months of effort it was possible to unblock this process. it is just a logical conclusion of this pressure. did something else affect germany in particular? no, i think so. unfortunately for the germans, whom i respect, i also love this culture and language, but unfortunately for the germans, this pressure was needed and not i know why such a political culture and such a history as they justify in restraint, but it is precisely because of pressure, and the pressure is not only there from our side. sometimes it is softer, sometimes it is harder, but the pressure is from the side of the german opposition, which we attracted there. well, in march , there in in april, they were on our side, pressure from the side of the members of the current coalition in germany, that is, they are liberals and greens, because they

gradually came to our side, not immediately, but gradually, this is pressure from the german mass media, from the german public, who also saw this imbalance between what it is also necessary that the government ready to do and in the end it was pressure from our partners well, i think that's all gradually the germans, the germans are on this conservative nation that they just need time , you know they need time and thank god that at this time they have now, so to speak, it passed we we have overcome this stage. now we are asking for new types of weapons from germany and the united states, from everyone who can help, uh , first of all, these are ballistic missiles, of course , medium range, this is navigation . they announced that, well, with machine tools. somehow somewhere in the german government got tense again, how realistic is this prospect , this is putting it mildly, because the chancellor, answering

a question just during these debates in the bundestag, when he announced that we are giving leopards, he was asked this question and he immediately hurried to say no here for us aviation and fighter jets eh this is like a red line and this is the question now like well we won't do that but we have heard absolutely similar things about there and that's why again i 'm sorry that eh that the germans are repeating the same error every time first it was there anti-tank light weapons were overcome. then, well, at the beginning, they were generally helmeted, in fact, this is a beautiful year, the anniversary of these helmets is five thousand , then, er, stingri, then cheetahs, howitzers , that is, well, just the germans. they still don’t want to, they are smart people, but they don’t want to realize the scale and the nature of this war, that is, they think everything. well, somehow it is a new life , but we gave a little, you know. well, it all has to

come to an end by itself. they do not understand that this war is, in terms of its scale , well, in fact, almost the same as the second world war a war of this dimension, no one in germany, and i think in many other countries, still does not want to realize that it is not enough to give 14 leopards and then say well, now it's okay, we have done it , we have fulfilled our moral duty to the ukrainians, we can now sleep peacefully i say no guys 14 thank you, but your industry can send you. well, at least 10 times more, at least, and very quickly. and this is also necessary, it had to be done the day before yesterday, regarding the number of tanks , a very different figure was called during this time, someone says 300 someone thousand, what figure do you communicate at meetings with your foreign partners, how many tanks do we really need ? well, in reality, in reality, there are different numbers . you are right. well, we proceed from the figures communicated by our military. that is, it is

the minister of defense and zaluzhnyi is about that but again , it is about what we would like for this first big counteroffensive that is being prepared there spring or late spring eh we needed at least what we voiced at least 300 eh 300 tanks battle tanks and about 500 infantry fighting vehicles that is, this is the minimum minimum that will allow well and plus, of course, for this, you need to train the military. that is , this is also a painful topic for everyone, this is the minimum that would allow us to really plan... for our military, an operation with minimal losses, for the soldiers, but with maximum effect, because , well, just imagine, that is, this is an extremely difficult operation that can be successful only if we have a sufficient number of armored personnel carriers, tanks, tanks and trained men and trained artillery men

support from the air drones that is, it is really, well, the world has not seen anything like this since 40, that is, after the 45th year, there has been nothing like it. well , maybe there, i know somewhere, uh, although i think even vietnam has a hard time with it there, that is, it on the territory of the european continent, the most terrible new war is still going on, and not everyone is ready for it. do they want to realize in europe, that is, what we are dealing with in view of what you are talking about when we expect the first tanks and what they will be tanks it will be leopards it will be abrams will it be for example, the british challenge. well, i think it looks like it will still be leopards, and why leopards, even though it’s all happening now ? well, thank god, it’s much more coordinated. that is , we are trying to get it from britain, and now i ’m still choosing because there were also different ones. there was different information as to when exactly they will arrive . we are talking about the next few months

. let's put it this way. that is, it is 2-3 months. this is a critical time for our military to learn to master these machines because... well , this process also takes time. well, that's at least 1.5 months is like that, well, that’s it, it’s very fast, really, how many years do they study there, or at least a year, if you take those leopards, that’s why the leopards were parties, after all, it’s the biggest reason why we wanted to kiss because it was - opards are armed not only with our european partners, that is, in general, there are more than 2,000, according to our estimates, that's two thousand of them that are armed, that is, what can be quickly transferred, and the plus is what is on in warehouses of anti-tank missiles in germany in other countries, there are older models that were occupied, but these tanks are on the armament of many countries of the world, including latin america, in many countries where we also now have, thank

god, additional opportunities to convince our other partners, who have so far stood aside, who have announced their alleged neutrality there we are lost. we only want a peaceful solution, but the leopard is something that can really be delivered quickly from poland, from germany, from other countries. i hope that we will have a coalition on the basis of the red leopard . well, at least a coalition. it's realistic. it's realistic to have until if we're talking about this period of three months. it's realistic. when is it possible to launch all of this in parallel? well , it's within our power. were there that allowed us to defeat hitler's germany, then well, it is obvious that even these tanks are not enough and that is why we are already talking about the fact that we need to make new orders for next year, in two years she thank god there are some

contracts, including with germany we managed to e- eh get a contract for uh this the newest rca 155 artillery system in general. that is, these wheeled armor howitzers are what we got. this is the newest. they can shoot at a speed of 85 km. well, for me, this is the most accurate. but again , the delivery time is in two years, but even this is for we are fine because we understand that if this war ends, god willing, this year, it is not a fact that we will succeed. well, to be sure that it will not start or resume in two or three years, and for this we need precisely the question of aviation is the key here, and when i criticize now they are throwing there, including in germany, a million experts have appeared there among our friends who say, what are you doing there, how are you constantly climbing something there, some new videos that are coming out, i say well, look, eh, you understand that any armed forces

they are without aviation, without a fleet, well, they do not exist. that is, it should be a really comprehensive solution, it should be a strengthening of defense capabilities, and it should be a preventive function, that is why it was also noted. unfortunately, at this time, he is playing against us, there is no time, uh, what do they want to take our allies are even very close allies to think, to change one's mind, to reconsider, there are no longer any red pills, mr. melnyk, you are now already in the new position of deputy minister of foreign affairs, but i want to briefly return to the recent past, when you were the ambassador of ukraine to germany, because i am sure that most of our viewers recognize you just like the ambassador of ukraine in germany until recently, who, let's say, did not choose the words when he criticized the german government for its position at the beginning of a full-scale invasion, but you, this is an interesting fact, in my opinion, in diplomacy for 25 years and it is like that the rhetoric you chose for yourself, in fact, only during the last year and a half. how did it happen that ambassador melnyk at some point

became so tough, well, it was a forced step, because we are all polite people, and classical diplomacy has never been canceled by anyone and never has been they will cancel it was, is and will be. but in that case, war came to our earth, on the one hand, and on the other, those who could help us the most, and germany is the fourth largest economy in the world, and it is a country that is included in the top five arms exporters they didn't want to tell me about shchastya, and now they are saying that the germans exported nine billion euros worth of weapons in the year before the war, and then they tell us that we ukrainians can only give you 5,000 helmets, and that after long discussions. that's why it was a forced decision and well, it was probably correct, although, believe me, it was not comfortable even for me, because, well , every diplomat is programmed to arrange the corners on the contrary, that is, if you

see any conflict, it does not disrupt it, and it can . that is, it is my bread and butter i.e. you are also ditches you invest all your knowledge in order to smooth out any conflicts there and make them possible. and here i had to go the opposite way. i had to look for a conflict. you know , like an anthill, you stir it up there and the ants are all running and everyone is uncomfortable, but there is no other way out. well, i i am not sure that it will be possible to keep this style somewhere in the future, but i am currently in the process of understanding how we can act with our partners, who have been around the world for almost a year now. well, in particular, there are those latin america now. i'm getting to know my colleagues a little better. i'm trying to make them understand their logic. you know my patience, that is, i'm already starting to boil sometimes because , well, everything's fine, we communicate

in spanish there and try to find some key to these lies, but there the situation is very complicated, this style of communication. i noticed over the last year that it has caused, in principle, in ukraine too, one can say that some of the people from germany with whom i had the opportunity to communicate have two directly opposite emotions. emotion - it's just extraordinary delight that you said what many people were thinking , but something else - it's such a fear that you could spoil ukrainian-german relations by calling chancellor scholze an offended sausage . i see that you don't really regret how you behaved the last year, but uh, don't you think that such rhetoric could somehow worsen some channels of communication , well, definitely, i mean, it's still an experiment , you understand that i've never had anything like this , there was no such war, there was no such challenge in front of us

, in front of our state, there was no diplomacy. therefore, it was an experiment uh, which was and still is fraught with risks, every decision you make well, you have to think uh in that situation this is such an offensive er method, it was er, that is, the risks er for us were smaller, they were and they remain because of course there are many people in the same germany. they are still indignant . why are these ukrainians telling us what to do? ungrateful we gave one thing and tomorrow they ask for another, that is, well, this is the moment and really well, it would be wrong to say that everything was great and we got through there fine and without any losses, but this is the price i think is possible and i have to pay it, but the result is more important to me, the main

result. that is, we could have lost some there are opportunities, we could have offended someone there, someone there was sulking and somewhere there, uh, he keeps his guns in his pockets once, and for example , the chancellor of germany, the chancellor of germany i , again, here is what you mentioned there, uh, it happened somewhere at the beginning of may, if not i'm wrong and only after that they started taking it the decision about heavy weapons before this, do you think that this communication was effective ? well, unfortunately, that is, for me , for me , for me. about the fact that some of the politicians felt insulted for themselves about the fact that the german society, which was watching all this, looked, thought, tried to take some position, that they understood that if the ukrainians act with such methods, it means that there

well, it's a very bad situation, because if it were there somewhere, it's so tolerant, well, the germans will give us leopards. no, we can't. oh well, we 'll look somewhere else, that is, if we communicated like that, and unfortunately, well, it's still there , if we take the previous years, because we were preparing for this war a long time ago, we should have been preparing now, it was such a cry for help , that is, when there is a person drowning, you don't choose the words there , please, i beg you. choose the words broke out what broke out yes you pay attention to your pain, to your desperation, to the fact that you need this savior, and you don't have one for us, the lifeline was a tank, a howitzer, and a weapon, am i correct then, what is your rhetoric, it was mainly directed not so much on the german government as much as on german society well, probably also on society, because society felt that something was not right after this criticism

, for example, scholz or the criticism of the german president, did you have problems with access to the highest leadership of germany to me there were no problems with access. but again, what is the issue of access, uh, an ordinary ambassador there in peacetime, for example, and not only the ambassador of ukraine in germany, if you take even the ambassador there of france, britain or the united states, he does not have access to scholzem, that is, he is with him it does not meet, it is not accepted in the same way with vsemayr, there are also exceptional ones there in some very cases , the minister as well. is there a political level or a higher diplomatic level? that's why i have access to those people who were needed by me , who made decisions and who influenced, again , except for the chancellor, that is, but my uh, that's

our society, oleksiy makeev, now he's also an oskantsor i have not met and it is unlikely that i will meet because well, it is such a well such a car, but i still have good contact with many members of the government. i write to them, i am asking them there , please. i know that the germans can still help us a lot you say that you continue to maintain ties with germany. and i noticed that , in principle, in germany they continue to monitor what you say, because i mentioned at the beginning, not for nothing, about your shout of hallelujah when you heard that the german tanks were unlocked because the new minister defense of germany when he was already commenting on this decision boryspil stories he said that it is in many ways a historic decision but it is not a reason to shout hallelujah, which i read about in the deck and well, of course they all follow and twitter, well for me it became