[000:00:00;00] we repeat to a certain extent the trajectory of the president and wilson, who also did not want to enter a major continental war on the european continent, but gradually he was forced to support his friends from great britain and france and the russian empire, he de facto had no choice and here the situation is such that we understand that everything can lead to one thing after another , and accordingly, in the current situation, we should do the wisest thing for ukraine , in particular, it is about what mistakes in particular on the international arena, we should not assume that the most important contribution that ukraine should make is not to lose heart and continue to do what it is doing on the battlefield, besides that, i think that some well-intentioned ukrainian advisers, including military advisers in the west, need to

unlearn from the habit of treating ukrainians and the ukrainian military as students, they are not students . as an equal adversary, ukrainian knowledge of russia on how to fight it is unique in europe. so we should treat it with more respect and not succumb to the temptation to micromanage what the armed forces of ukraine are doing. i am not saying that we should stop very close daily consultations on all public and less public forums. we must continue because it is extremely important, so it is necessary to find the right balance, because we must learn no less

than teach nine lloyd george, the british prime minister who endured the entire burden of the first world war i said at one time an extremely important thing: moral rightness - this is extremely important, but the issue of resources is even more important. that's the harsh truth. well , i would like to ask you at the meeting. they have already counted all their resources that they will be ready to allocate to support us, in particular, we are talking about military resources. financial resources and so on and in general what is the situation with russian resources that putin will be ready to use in the war against the names the outcome of the war is decided not by the ratio of gdp but by the conversion of national attributes as both moral and material into a useful force. putin knows how to convert the attributes of russia into a useful force. it costs a lot of money and in the future it will cost even more because

what they are doing is not only changing russia, he is destroying it completely. he is so fixated on his goals in ukraine and against the west cannot help but say that he may be ready to destroy russia in order to achieve these goals. therefore, you should not underestimate the determination of this man and the people around him, but there will come a time when everything should not be done suddenly will give a crack russia is firm but not hardened therefore it can suddenly fall and when this happens god knows who and when will be able to gather it again because it will be the beginning of a completely different and deeply disturbing drama unfortunately we cannot do anything about it because due to military objectives which russia has because of its priorities and all its methodology. it

has created a situation in which there are now only two options. victory or iron. it is not the west's business to worry about what will happen in russia after its defeat. so that we do not lose this main thing. now, it is inherent in a collective event to be distracted by very interesting issues that are ultimately of secondary importance . in my opinion, we are at war, not only you, but we are also at war, so we have to focus on winning it and then let russia take care of itself for how long they can continue to do what they are doing i don't know there are people more familiar with the russian economy than i who also admit that they don't really

know but i suspect that when the changes will come they will not be gradual. they will be sudden, very sharp and very unexpected. thank you, dear james, for hearing an honest and extremely important conversation, and i want to remind our tv viewers that james sher , a senior researcher at the center for international security and defense, a well-known british sovietologist, was working for them now on the espresso tv channel. and now our guest will be mark fegin, a member of the russian opposition in exile, a former member of the state duma , glory to ukraine, mark. i congratulate you now. hello to all viewers of the espresso channel. well, how long have we been? in particular, we are talking about a tank solution and here the story seems to be finalized, well, at least in its political and legal

sense, yes, all that remains is to get this equipment in any case in russia , hysterical about this, mark, in your opinion, what was the last straw in the matter of allocation there are not only two leopards in the country, but also abrams, yes . well, now i would like you to decipher, so to speak, the voice is sick. a couple of hundred tanks, well, which are collected from here, and even understanding that this is only the beginning, there will be a continuation, they themselves openly say that there, where, what will you do? well, and so on . there is a certain consensus that, first of all, it concerns the strategy, not the tools, and it was achieved precisely by the strategy, because you already remember

that throughout the entire history of the war, 11 months of talks between the victory of ukraine and not giving ukraine will lose yes, these are different things in principle, different things that lead to different consequences, have different derivatives and suddenly how will they end? it is clear. i think that no one in moscow is going to seek a compromise , so as not to let ukraine disappear, not to lose its sovereignty and take it, namely to win and to win. this is what the concepts mean - they propose not only the actual exit from the border in 1991, but also the elimination of the threat posed by imperial moscow to the neighbors, and it seems that the war must inevitably be its consequences will spill over to russia itself, because engagement in such a war is certainly for putin's regime, this regime , both personal and collective, will have the most far-reaching consequences, and this understanding causes

a hysterical reaction of propagandist soda, they are striking these moods. it is clear to them that this is a public mission, but in general, this is a consequence of uh, that is , the kremlin itself has putin’s earrings because, to be honest, this is the last statement. well , there is one of them, they are in the same row but one of them sounded so that we must carry out a special operation, they were so-called, this special operation will deal with the threats that it is the land of five feet seems to be under threat. well, then , finland, poland, the polish kingdom must

prepare. the second one without five minutes in nato, but does this mean that there are no such intentions, there is no understanding of the map, which putin is now openly voicing , if you rewind even there, i don’t know for five years, even for 10 years. there is a land in the north that moscow historically belongs to . the designation of everything that the opponents were talking about, the opponents of the kremlin were denied with peace of mind, or something that they did not hear in the west. now they heard it here and now , as if the concept of the victory of ukraine would unconditionally.

her concern for the next 20 30 40 to solve their internal problems to overcome the crisis of power in a shift, this will also fit in. in any case, there will be some terminal expiration of the arrival period. putin 's power , what will be the system ? in order to withstand all these threats and cope with them independently, you know, sumy is standing in the face of putin's russia, it would not be able to demonstrate the capabilities of the second army, the peace is all this set to capture just the territory of neighboring ukraine, because everything broke down in ukraine, but it

also means transferring it back to russia that moscow cannot fix its internal problems on its own . let's now analyze how the current situation affects the situation inside russia itself. in particular, it is about what is said in the regions. did putin manage to convince , so to speak, the relatives of those who are living in ukraine ? it is about the russian interventionists that they did something useful for russia. next and so on, that is, how do you currently feel the situation inside russia itself, and let's go beyond the very top on what, how would we approach materialistically according to marxist yes questions of power, the main question, as the unknown classic said, eh questions, here we see the action, we see it, we see it razryhlenie, that is, in fact, the conflict of prigozhin yes, how about me a new substance, some new substance of power with its institutional parts, the general state of the ministry of defense, er, it means

the administration of the president, if you saw it , they published about it youtube mentions me there by the way, that’s how the main ukrainian media means the prigozhinsky concord, eh, it is responsible for the old square, that is , according to the presidential administration, for the fact that it flows to this distorted information about the sanction in which youtube plays a central role, but your invention is also part homogeneous, this power begins among itself, in fact, i will find out the relationship with what , taking into account the imposition of everything, well, war, this is the way to conclude bloody because, well, how much in how many of you, how much do i have, well, imagine one thing: money divides positions, divides hardware influence, and the second thing divides into these actual questions of life , life, death, life and death, because the handsome eh definitely balances on the edge of life and

death there with the general staff, there can be my friend, there are disgraces, i don’t know, i don’t know success, but resignations, something else, well, for the beautiful ones, i wouldn’t even say one beautiful one , and it’s a question of life, death, in general, of the whole environment , consolidated around such free radicals. yes, there are those in the brovansky movement the elements that appeared in connection with the war, they were there before, but they did not have the opportunities that the war provided, well, someone called each time to recruit prisoners from the places of freedom decisions, but who, mark , allowed him to do this? some very big interdepartmental work well, it’s not just that putin said that, let’s all recruit, recruit zeka, you understand the assault squads no, that is, they had to conduct a lot of all kinds of decisions, yes ,

no, you will be unconditionally known at the moment onataskoy and he was controlled by them, she was a person, and they have some categories , so how much did he understand that once he sat and worked in st. petersburg for nine years and became so close to the then leader who became russia’s henchman, it is quite obvious that there is no connection with first of all, he would not have been able to achieve anything with the special service of the fsb, not in the financial sense, not in terms of the creation of such a structure as that of the wagner dude. at some point, he began to pretend to be the state itself. let's not be er and sit on the jury. that's how i would have said it, as i would have formulated it . well, continuing what we're talking about, bezumny from the fsb of the special services, who is fighting with the er by the army leadership, all of this would not have happened if they had really taken ukraine, kiev in two or three days, all of this

could have been avoided. nothing like that consolidates, well, or it eliminates the contradiction. speaking yes, there are many fathers in pobedy . and here is the main russian in the prayers. and uh-eh with samoy ty vlazhdavshiy putin, we are talking about such a characteristic, which is called well acceptance uh-uh, the willingness of the population to tolerate a certain number of zinc coffins that are returned , in particular, well, from an unjust war, and here are two points, i.e. did putin and his uh-uh succeed

to convince the propaganda that this war is beneficial and necessary for him, and so on, and in general, how are people reacting now , the people don't ask, you want to stop fighting , they don't die, they don't die , yes, that's the difference . that mobilization in russia and mobilization in ukraine are the same thing, it's funny, it's not the same thing at all , you never understand, uh, something i haven't seen, to find war criminals in ukraine, which means they take away dozens of medical expenses, to say the least the rest started the war with a professional army, by the way, the pier was not the same, there was a five-million army, a standing army in which it was supposed to fight. yes , it was also conscripted. dash 300,000, which itself began in february at the end of february last year, entered the war on

putin's order , it turned out to be enough. you see, now the authorities are together, we have to be nervous because she promised mobilization that would lead to an immediate end to the war. well, it doesn't matter whether it's a negotiation or a victory or something else, but the end is poor, poor mobilization works in such conditions only as a short-term act. yes, even from an apartment let's check the faces, but for example , in two months, they managed to deal with ukraine. well, it 's not even close, not even at the revision distance. they said 15 at 4:30 first or 40 - this is no longer of any general significance without

mobilization the russian leadership of the russian army will not be able to fight further because again we need to prepare them to go around and equip them, it is necessary to add weapons , they need to give officers, and this becomes an additional complication. relations will change, relations will deteriorate, russia has a feeling that it is necessary to avoid this mobilization by all means, that all these slogans are secondary, look at me, i have discussed many times what the system under nazi germany looks like in the period, let's say, approaching its totalitarian transformation, it's closer to the middle of vanya there in the 43rd year , eh, before that, there was an authoritarian system, know the

slogans of the day there. circles, there were jews there, a wolf, or there, the kitchen means for the wife there at home, and so on, that is, the slogans of the day, kapets existed within the system for almost 2 decades, precisely because of these slogans of the day, he changed the signs from time to time, some new ones constantly created enthusiasm in the population, that 's all uh, by the way, yes he tells why we started to fight all the time menyaya menya versiya teyyyy scelya, you understand and this strongly affects the population eh stasi in the army, you know he is there, a gas person, a gas person in germany , he now gave an interview, that’s where i spoke, i saw putin and back, the question in arnyk already declares that, yes, avarnyk, a man more than a trusted person, talked about money, do you understand it

, say yes, for a second, and so on the merchant declares that i met with putin and asked a question. and what does the ultimate goal of the special operation say that you want to achieve ? the connotation of the question is clear. what can we solve it in another way, not by tens of thousands of dead and putin will say it is a state secret. secrets i won't tell you, poet, it's not possible to sell it to the west, it's possible to tell it to the army, it's also possible to tell it to the people itself , you keep saying that for a long time, you won't be able to understand that it's a secret, even they don't have a version there, and there is a final phase, you know, you can portray it for a very long time что вы умнее всех you know what you embrace, but at some point it begins to understand that there is no purpose , well, it simply does not know what to do for the russian consciousness. the final church, we want to fight for 100 years

. this is, by the way , even stronger than the fear of death. in makeyevka, they are from the samara region and still speak mark in samara. that is, what kind of feedback is there in samara? well, in those regions that you know and feel, the right will cover up to come to the second region from mobilization, so they bow down. nobody wants to go to makeyevka again later well, you know that public opinion is like that, but it’s the same gender as rumors , some unreliable data , myths, fears. now , there are a lot of words for fears and unreliability. who says that there are thousands of fucks in this? who says that this means them somewhere? carried almost to other planets where all these people and the number are hundreds and hundreds of people and in the samara region they are all trying to avoid mobilization

. begins to rush from corner to corner, trying to explain, so to speak, the history of the great continental war, he sends medvedev or medvedev just to say the trick, and again returns to his favorite joke about nuclear ash and what if a nuclear state is, so to speak, pressed like a rat in the angle is here and it will begin, we will understand that biden reacted to this quite clearly and even olafsholtz, who avoided a direct answer , also very clearly answered one abram exactly m1 , the other leopards, others except medvedev, we we no longer hear that someone stutters from the closest to putin, a member of the same

safety site of permanent members for a month and a half already. he changed his position in relation to the patron , well, let him always consider him a trusted close person , he also obeyed all the rules. he left in the 12th year and gave way to the master of the office. these relations between putin and medvedev owe medvedev a lot more than anyone else. putin , in general, is a step towards favoritism, in principle, yes , it encourages someone, it motivates it, it punishes it, on the contrary , it forgives it, we have already seen it. eh, called the hero, she gave me another name, that is, she gave me a reward, and she gave me today , then it fell out of him. returning, but thanks to comrades, the army corporation. well, and so on

, and so on. everything he thinks, well, he is not dressed, it was once, remember with kazakhstan, when he kazakhstan then broke his post, everything stated that he was hacked there and so on, although he did not say anything new , he simply expressed himself in relation to the kazakhs in the same way as he expresses himself and not i know how ukrainians, or in relation to the west and so on, but nevertheless, they say to call him that this is a consequence. medved is testing the reaction of the west , the reaction of the parties to how they rush to such wild statements and already absolutely wild on the verge of madness yes, but er, this is one version, the second version, this is what medvedev himself received from putin, not for indulgences

. that's why, that's why, that's the question, recruit him, that's what he's doing, that's all he has to do , so that he can pretend to be little putin, that he managed without putin's functions, yes, that's why he's now a liberal, freedom is better than freedom , and now he will portray himself as the wildest an ultrapatriot for all these places, the need for time and circumstances to achieve the word power, i believe that he is just a clinical fool because he proved this even in the eighth year of 12 in the political and historical context, that man who himself voluntarily left power in russia always he thinks that you are a fool , you still understand a voluntary show, and you don’t understand the attitude of the apparatus towards it, and medvedev, no matter how he is, is a product of this apparatus to the same extent that he is putin. well может быть special services apparatus, more degrees of putin, and that's why putin

is the same bear . they never ask for sympathy from this apparatus. there medvedev well, what are you, what are you, you need to talk to us, here are serious people, patrushev, so to speak, putin himself , here it is possible to speak in english to us, the head of ceru meets, here is a serious adviser of winter, you , dima, you can drink money, but you can smoke were sent to beijing, as far as i understood, with a specific secret link for all dlinkin, and maybe it was oral, maybe it was written, what do you think they wanted to hear in heaven, yes, and because they entrusted the whole matter, in principle, to a loyal emissary. the public, but um, i suspect that there was talk about an invitation, they will point out that everyone has a sentent. let china refuse to let in

. beijing, this mission refuses to bow down. do not comment on it. i think sizynpin will not go to moscow until the war is over. why? well, they support the brain all the more if it loses. taiwan , this is a game of recruitment, it does not give anything, and then he will only irritate the question, but he will not solve his problems, on the contrary, he should keep his distance and continue to press more on the desire for friendly relations with the west, the principle what is he talking about in public , by the way, he does not speak in the style of military rhetoric . rolion, the security system means peace. it is not

due to this one to the minions in the face of the united states, the peace of benarin, and so on. and medvedev in this case simply carried out a continuation. the chinese cover does not see the frenchman. that's the meaning of this. yes, he is that north korean. only that is. well , he can see the seams. i think that he is generally inclined to wear some strange clothes, that's the white cry, that he was seen every time he cried, he was like iron. the people's commissar came to pay attention to the factory and walked in every place crying, you know. well, how could he call himself a coin somewhere, or a napoleon , i don't know, but he's not very soft. well, i'm even the same representative of the forces that you don't appear, you know. therefore ego trip v beijing, i think he begged putin himself, let me go down and take your package. i think that this is more likely than it is possible for him to have some kind

of special function. well , let's see, he took it up, he was put in charge of the military industrial complex. well , there are some of his sectors well, in st. petersburg, there was a meeting where it was declared that whoever does not spanish the guest of the defense order is subject to criminal liability, he means that he goes to this level of the wagon factory in other places and gives birth, and so even if no one is impressed by one simple for the reason that it is impossible to win the arms race that has already been lost once , the ussr lost it, let russia lose, whether it is bad or not, and it would be possible to restore the system that the government was the supporter of among other things, the theater worked there , i dressed up , that is, then it was possible to force people.

mobilize this economy for the war, remember how it was said that germany, including the industry in germany, lost the war, and the russian soviet industry, because it produced oil, often went ten times, probably. and the search for blood in the soviet canoe did not miss anything. есть ты мог кто скачать кусочек хлеба 200 g и всё пивать чаем кусочек мастра всё well, everything else is about technology and aviation, which at one time was supplied by the allies, in particular the americans , to the great regret of lisa, dear mark should conclude our conversation, and i want to remind our tv viewers that mark fegin worked for them on the air of the espresso tv channel, a figure of the russian opposition in exile, a former deputy of the state duba, the time of our program has run out, stay with the tv channels from the press my colleagues will work for you non-stop, watch over yourself and your loved ones