[000:00:00;00] 300 years and europe 400 years in development. moreover, they did not have such a-ah. well, a difficult and native past like socialism, like when people were psychologically just crippled, and secondly, all smart people active from a business point of view were squeezed out, exterminated, and that was criminal liability, you know, somewhere in the late 90s, once upon a time, a good friend of mine told me, she said, i was here in the same company, young girls tell how their husbands do business, they are slippers, listen to what i say, girls, 10 years ago. my husband for of the soviet authorities, he was imprisoned for the business that your men lead because he was an old tradesman, a business that was done in soviet times, now he is a respected, respectable person, and then he will serve time in prison for that. you know, all these books are well written, but how does it not happen e-

are the same happy or unhappy families, remember how now we can't talk about everything, but the point is that we live in the general trend, but we have our own peculiarity, and the war changed a lot about it and changed it, and strangely enough, it is psychologically aggravated and that negative that was like that the scum that it was was more manifested and the nobility on the other hand that was in people and the positive that was in people was also manifested . that is, it is one of those, you know, they say side effects of war, so i believe that after the victory we will still not be a raw material and i have already told you this story. i recently talked with scientists who are engaged in metallurgy and asked them the question. what will azovstal be like, is it necessary to adjust it? well, you say that it is not necessary. and metallurgy is a leak. what was it like in ukraine after the war? it won't be necessary, it will be new, just like energy - it's paradoxical, it's not normal, it's tragic, but thanks to the russian strikes

, the soviet energy, which we had, was bulky , inefficient, energy inefficient, well , today it's just changing, it 's tragic, but unfortunately it's so, that's why i believe here, well, dismantling also requires some money, means, and so on, so that somewhere the russians do part of the work, which is really not surprising, of course they will just give money for us to rebuild our country and build it in a new and better way taking into account all the mistakes, they have already given more than 300 billion dollars and deposited them in various western banks, so that this money is already more than 300 billion dollars, we know where to take it and everyone already knows it. thank you, mr. mykhailo , for the conversation, although one of the viewers wrote that your conversation is similar to the gossip of envious grandmothers somewhere on a bench under the entrance. i know that this is exactly the selection of yulia volodymyrivna, and i actually respect these people, they are people with incredible incredible loyalty, and

to be honest, i was just proud of such loyal cool supers in yulia volodymyrivna's place he was a supporter of the chamber of commerce and industry of ukraine, and with us, he and i finished the actual ukrainian energy sector, which should change under the influence of the external e-e missile influence from russia, yuriy kasich , the ex-head of ukrenergo, with us on the communication p . yurii dobrogo day will our energy system change in such a way that it will become super modern, low-cost, and such that everyone will have enough energy, we have no other way out, it was so and will be so, i think the world will help us in this, in your opinion it is worth restoring in the ukrainian energy sector. so when they say that there are, for example, the estimates of dtek ukrenergo there and so on

, that there are so many months needed for this so many for this that it is not worth restoring and there was something that can be changed even now well, you know it is very difficult the question why, because there is a lot of discussion in our, let's say , energy field, and i will say my point of view on this issue. and it may not be absolutely correct, but it is my point of view. i think that ukrainian energy scientists should move away from those standards of the construction of networks that existed under the soviet union. in other words, we do not need such a concentration of power as it is today in ukraine, we do not need such powerful unit values ​​of generation as up to a thousand megalots, i am not saying anymore well, more we don’t have one, but we don’t need such a thing in the world, and we don’t need such powerful blocks

, they are supposedly economical during construction , that is, the cost of its construction is given for one megawatt, and for less than a small block. but in this, the network component is calculated, that is, in order to issue the power of such a block, for example, from six such blocks, so far galant needs to be very powerful, a developed network above the high voltage class of 750 kw in europe , in fact there are no such networks, uh, and we need a network of the maximum class there, let it be 220 330 well, we will switch to european ones yes, i think that the standards are 400 kw, but it should be very developed, it should be, you know , like a net for fishing, well, it will also be very good in terms of security, that is, the system becomes less vulnerable.

it is also necessary to build these very complex e-e substations that also regulate the system voltage and so on. yes, you are absolutely right, and it will be less. and more efficient from the point of view of the economic operation of the energy system, the closer the generator is, we will say so to the consumer, that is, the manufacturer to consumers, the less we will download, we will download, we will download our networks, that is , to whom the power that causes losses , technological losses - this is physics, and therefore the corresponding losses will be less eh, in your opinion, those attacks that continue by missile russia, er, can russia eventually achieve its goal, that is, in fact , in us? well, do not throw it back to the dark ages, or in principle , it is impossible to turn it off completely and destroy the ukrainian energy system, you know , nothing is impossible, apparently, but this is what i see, eh-

the last attacks i want to be very sure of that and therefore assure you that the effect, well, effect is a bad word, but the goal that the terrorist wants to achieve, in fact, we are no longer achieving it, so once, uh, we have a block, so they returned such a serious one, but in a day for 1.5 -2 the dispatchers, our operational personnel, raised the power system. i think that it was more likely to be a coincidence. i think that the enemy does not see this anymore. well, the system also has its own regeneration speed, it regenerates. i understand that it can be destroyed very quickly and rebuilt , then completely different terms and completely different rebuilding is much more difficult, mr. yury, such an applied question, because now i read the news feeds and here and there and there they write about what they say people are asking to understand how

electricity is distributed in the city boryspil said that now they will figure out why so much electricity is going there, so much is going there, that there is some kind of unfair distribution of electricity . is it really possible for someone to abuse the distribution of electricity in the conditions we are in now? it's dark, and opposite the windows are always lit there. what 's going on? so you know. and i want to say that i'm almost sure that there are no such people in the energetics who abuse them. and as for how it's all distributed, i'll try if i let you in 2-3 minutes and explain to all the listeners and viewers how it is happening, why there is more in boryspil, less in kyiv or less in transcarpathia, people think that the situation is actually simple on the one hand, i will be on the other hand, i will be very simple, i want to note at the beginning that the situation in which we found ourselves regarding the limitation

of electricity supply is not at all unique to our country. at the end of the 90s, in ukraine, the most energy resources were coal and gas. meltdown or blackout, as we call it today, based on the emergency frequency on the verge of 49 hz, then consumers were more disconnected during the whole day than turned on, a similar situation was also at the end of the 14th year, it was at the beginning of the war, that is, the experience of overcoming similar crisis situations in our energy engineers is and this is an experience that is unique to any other country in such cases in energy . we will have nothing to share with the world after our victory . we have such difficult periods, well, the system operator and this today, we do not have ukrenergo always calculated and proved to each

operator of distribution networks, that is, to oblenergo, the so-called consumption limits, they are determined by the calculation method using the results of the so-called regime measurements, these regime measurements are carried out twice a year in the summer and in winter, these measurements determine the hourly load of each power line of any voltage class , i repeat each one, and in the end, this is how consumption is calculated for the system of ukraine and each individual region of the city of the district, that is, on the one hand, the system operator knows the level of consumption of each region, on the other hand, he calculates and clearly knows the amount of electricity per hour during the day that all operating power plants of our power system can produce. and what amount of energy is planned to be imported, we will also

say the income part, the level of consumption and the level of generation plus import must be equal to each other at any moment of time, this is also physics having such data of the system operator distributes the available to of hourly electricity production between regions according to their percentage of consumption in the total consumption of the country, i.e. subjectivity cannot be here, i would like to further note that the operator of the distribution system, i.e. oblenergo must clearly withstand these proven consumption limits, including by applying hourly or emergency shutdown schedules in the event that oblenergo cannot do this, then the system operator is forced to turn off excess consumption by applying special emergency shutdown schedules, this is a line shutdown

high-voltage power transmission from power centers, i.e., from the substation of the main network, these disconnections are very severe, they are not selective, they disconnect everything , including critical infrastructure. this is what i told you about the limits that are calculated in the case of balance restrictions, that is, restrictions in the production of electricity, we know that almost all our power plants today have damage, there are also network restrictions, they arise due to damage to the electrical networks and the impossibility of transporting the required amount of electricity, a certain region, in a certain city, in a certain area, be it a district of the city of kyiv, be it boryspil district or the city of boryspil or a settlement of the city of hrab in that area in the restriction mode are also taken into account when distributing consumption limits , that is, to manipulate. well, it is difficult here.

from people and writes. our viewer said that electricity is not added to us and while we are sitting there in the dark , our regional energy companies sell it abroad . i think so, if there are such doubts, then we have law enforcement agencies, please, let them apply. theoretically , it could be that we could now sell electricity abroad at such a time . i cannot imagine such a thing. there can be no cynicism, i just can’t, i’m just talking about human, let’s say, properties. i’m not talking about the physics of the physical, everything is possible, but

it can’t be. a thing called telometry, that is, it measures the power on each line, including our external perimeter , that is, import or export, these measurements are every second, everyone can show the power that we receive or emit, we can look at our sites . are closed, but on those sites that are sometimes referred to in the networks, they say look at hungary in hungary , how many megawatts are there, this is incorrect because we are working correctly not only with hungary, but also with poland, slovakia, and that’s what’s happening such technological flows, that is, it went to hungary , but it came back to us from slovakia, and the balance, that is, the sum with signs , it will be close to zero, there is no export , there is a small import, but there is, god, i hope that everything is exhausted, finally an answer for people who sometimes come up with such an overview

but somehow the russians work , all kinds of these and dogs that penetrate through all kinds of social network messengers and so throw in little by little, and people who do not understand too much about media hygiene and how to somehow check this or that they don't know the information, how it works, then they believe, and that's all, in the end, even sitting in the dark somehow affects their psyche, and then they succumb to these russian special operations, well, listen, there's an old super slogan of britain, which was the first to enter the war with hitler - a kip-count and kerion, which means keep calm and help the armed forces, here is a short translation. and in the ukrainian language

, and to yuri. i agree with this state policy that exists in the country today. do not raise the tariffs to a separate extent for the household consumer . although i understand very well how difficult it is to do , for example, i slightly turned your question about the tariffs regarding the cost of electricity on the market of ukraine and on our neighboring markets, today they consider ukraine works chevron or parallel to the unified energy system of europe , our so-called consumer for the consumer there are strict tariffs on the electricity market of basic electricity, that is, the electricity that is received is the cheapest on an even schedule, it was 82 euros per

megawatt-hour in ukraine yesterday, it actually turned out like this on the balance sheet at the same time in our neighbor slovakia and the cost was almost two times higher than 147 € per megalot of hours . that is, we say we can get there. well, let's conditionally tell them very large volumes, so far we don't take them, we can take them, but let 's see who will pay for it. regarding the tariffs, but imports nevertheless remain as they are, as if ms. sas is the last resort if things really go badly . well, you know, if it is possible to compare the same tariffs and the cost of electricity, which is probably sold in our for industrial consumers, it is possible, then a woman can be a plus or minus. well, it’s not a day off, but it’s so nice if you say

it to make sense , i understand . thank you very much for this conversation. electricity affects our psyche and not only how you affect us in general, all the news that is around, all that we see , uh, natalya shestak is a psychotherapist from her. thank you, by the way, i thought that there are countries. well, let's say that there are territories in the northern circle where the night is polar for a very long time, and it is known that people there sometimes have depression and so on. now it's winter here, and sometimes that winter is darker than what we're used to. you come home and it's the same there so, it doesn't always turn out like that. someone already has some

led lamps there, and everyone probably already has candles there, and so on . damn, someone there has whole, uh, powerful systems . to be less light in our life does it have some kind of psychological pressure , you know, how not to fight ah ah, please repeat the question to me i understood that we are talking about light, but specifically how we psychologically react to the absence of light, you are talking about eto sajjak yes about what if there is less light in the apartment for example, does it put pressure on a person, how is it to deal with stress, we are in a huge chronic stress at the beginning of the war, our state of all of us is the state of already traumatized people, that is, for us after the war, for us , a psychotherapist will not

start working as a psychologist. now to survive in this, all this is our experience - on the basis of which later people will write books and we are the creators together with you now , how do we and then how do we survive , the main thing for us is to understand that we still need to be in this we need to learn to be with it and come out victorious with less loss of our health, that's why we understand that this is an additional stress factor that deepens our chronic, uh, this is the traumatized state, in order to get out, we must understand that, guys, we are all traumatized ourselves - something more, someone less, we all need help and a-a here the same story turns out that a-a we work a lot we come home there is no light we can't do something what we haven't done we start to

get annoyed we start to get involved in it's here the light is turned on we are asking how abnormal there are power banks to turn on something quickly o-o-do it because hmmm we do we still want war it’s not war but we live in the plan we need to wash we need to write we need to do everything in time to do this so that this, er, rhythm of life does not lead us into an additional circular and stressful situation. let's really put these here borders we will give ourselves permission not to stress not to worry when i don't have time for something we really can't do something now that's why we adjusted we adapted

you see me normally, yes, they will open up and we can hear well, yes, yes, but this is the limit, she draws attention to herself so that we don’t worry anymore, because there will be a point of no return where we simply will not be able to help each other, i will be useful in general, so in our life we must have time for physical support or emotional support and even if there is no light in our head, it should work like this well, i can do something with it, if i can, i will transfer something there, and i will ask someone else for help to do something that is, i have to plan my time and my behavior in connection with these circumstances. it does not come out of my skin to understand that the truth is that sometimes i can not do something about the fact that after the end of the war, we will all have to go to

psychologists. psychologists will have something to do and you should also definitely go to psychologists or psychologists, the profession of a psychologist does not protect you from the fact that you have the strength to keep your balance so somewhere p- for disappeared something must have happened with the internet and actually i don't know if it's because i already wanted to ask a question but whether now i can ask. tell me, can we contact her again, uh, or i have such a proposal . can we simultaneously definitely choose definitely and then ok again about stress well this is our job we are basically like this we hear you we hear you and

see you 40th day of stress er this is even regardless of whether there is a full-scale invasion or not it is always stress then this is our job we own it you chose yourself, ms. natalya, in fact, now you are talking about the fact that we will have to go to psychologists later, but i understand that everyone's trauma is different because someone experienced the loss of a loved one, someone experienced the loss of the health of a member of the family, someone left saving their child and he now abroad in he has a different stress. for example, people who stayed here reproach the women who left there with their children. some people remain here , but they left a more dangerous part of ukraine and still worry about how we will be able to continue when this war ends. if it ends with our victory, i would really like that. but we don't know how it will be in the future. how can we all coexist together , because we, i suspect that we will start. it's just

that we all quarrel like this and it happened in principle with us, for example, in lines at the polyclinic when everyone is electrified, everyone is in a hurry, everyone has some kind of personal injury, but no, we don't know how to communicate, that's what we inherited from soviet times, when we can't speak . we don't know how to hear each other. we'll think of something. and you're right, because everyone experiences stress differently, and it's very important to understand that in order to get out of this state, each of us separately needs to understand at what stage the psycho is poisoning event

i am in a war , it is permissible. that we are in, the real thing is that working to the maximum, we do not experience these emotions in which we are, and they remain the strongest stress on our body and psyche, so first recognize that we will allow myself a loss and allow myself to be present i live and i fight further. for the victory, live. i will stay in this grief, therefore, for this, we need specialists, for this, we need, er, supporting professions that will help not for a cycle on tension , but in order for us to unite further, we really need information about the fact that we are all united in this is the obligation in this stress, but in different ways, and to be more tolerant, loyal to each other, let it be a time of very

difficult life and difficult work, but in this situation, we must have the main one who unites us and unites us in the game explains we have hope and explain to us the inspiration that leads to this, you know, now we are all in a period of drag and we can’t relax because someone is worse and we are bitten by the feeling of saying yes, how can i afford to lie down in the bathroom if there is something somewhere there is a shooting when we are in this endless stream of tension, and listen to the topic, i lost my mind, you are talking about my trauma now, in order to get out of this exhaustion, i and each of us now need belief in victory, so this is your job , guys, my job is not to deceive, we really show and tell people, look. yes, here we lost, here we lost, here are

some moments, here are some of our failures. look here, here we have victory, here we have it's great , here we all are together, we support each other when you show this side, we instill faith in people, because we rise from the desperation of the loneliness of burning only when we understand where we we go when we rely on faith when we lean on hope then we have inspiration i also want to be a part of it i also want to do it with us this time this is how the psyche turns over and gives us a resource because the psyche works this is how excitement inhibits excitement braking in all of us is a little different in intensity and uh, speed . and so everything else is the same for all of us, and this is when we all stopped and how it went down to the lowest point and in order to continue

to turn on so as not to die there from depression we need a push from the abbey of theft. how is this faith? this is what you and i are doing. therefore, faith is for all of us that our ukraine will win, and we are substitute people who have shown the world, well , probably everyone is shocked by what we are doing in general, yes, if here are the facts that we can look at. the operation of all those people who are at this point. and we are there. we will all find our own resources. at the same time, we must understand that we have physical and emotional limitations, and we must support ourselves so that we can further drive to this point. этого от этот rise we have to get enough sleep whether you want it or not 8 hours we have to find ourselves what are you refusing the light turns off not just like that sleep guys gather energy during sleep we have to be more or less normal healthy asks if possible we have to rest as it is with you

there is a possibility, but in principle , this is a change of activity. of all our systems, we will then be able to work for a long time and be effective, that is, believe a-a watch and eh those are real objective things that speak of victory by the way. - but the sun is shining for me now. thank you for the fact that there are relatives around me for the fact that i have food to eat now . well, what kind of religious people pray before they eat, and thank you for this great practice. and in the evening, when you came home we say five substitute things that