[000:00:00;00] ukraine as a reminder of who was really the first. well, valery, the valiant commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, also said something about today's date. ukrainian soldiers at kruty gave their lives but defended independence and won recognition for their country. the defeat is much higher, therefore we will not stop until we expel viko, the eternal enemy, from our land now another new page is being written, yes, another story of the struggle for independence, the structure of having another 13th, as we are the 11th . more precisely, as we have already joked, independence day is here. because there have already been many cases in the last

100 years, when ukraine declared independence not only in the 91st year, in fact, they were declared independent by 1990 , when they adopted the declaration of state sovereignty, let me remind you that it was celebrated the following year. i know that he was strong, then the communists were still in power to celebrate, they went and put flowers under the monument to lenin, that's what they thought together with kravchuk. well, that's how the story was . well, that monument to lenin is no longer there. and you're not the one that was demolished later in in the 14th year, there are no monuments to lenin , and if you look back there, we have come quite a long, difficult evolutionary path, in fact , on the way to this independence, it is true that it is not so simple that it is written on paper . hmm uh, the ideological ideologues of the russian

world who were imposed on us here and whose monuments are still standing all over ukraine and streets or whose names are named after them in ukraine and now there is an actual getting rid of the history imposed on us and those imposed to us heroes well, besides that, the newest history of ukraine is also written by volunteers who help our army, er, now we will talk to her dana yarova, a volunteer and public figure, joins our broadcast , mrs. dano congratulations, congratulations, er, i have seen you what do you have? on the agenda, what are you going to do now? on the agenda , it's not just me, but it's such a pilot

project. now, if you've heard, it was announced about the creation of a new kind of army, it's unmanned , unmanned vehicles. which combats that do a lot of damage without contact to the drinker and yesterday yesterday tonight i returned from the tests already in the combat zone and i want to say i am delighted with what we did because we were gathering if you heard we were gathering for the second for shells on them yesterday we tested these projectiles so that they could be put into service so that the ministry of defense could buy it, it was necessary to do it experimentally because, until it is in service, the ministry of defense

cannot finance it yesterday it's me, i'm just in such emotions yesterday, everything worked , everything's great, everything well, i can't show the video, i can't show the photo, unfortunately, the photo is not interesting, the video is interesting when it flies, it resets, which does a lot of bad things , eh. that's right. that's right. that's so beautiful . i want to say, did you test it in iran? well, why do you burn the story? why would you really? in reality, of course, this is very, very cool, but listen, but when volunteers actually

collect for some such means, which uh, are they means of defeat, shouldn’t this still be more the prerogative of the ministry of defense, as in general, the ministry of defense , look at this. but in order to put into service had to be carried out tests, and there are no tests yet. well, there is a procedure. so this is a procedure for taking unarmed people, a procedure for tests in order to conduct them. these tests and these projectiles must be had, and that's why it's such a funny story. when i was first collecting for the throne, they bought them and handed them over to the ministry. defense of the general staff and then they call me and say, well, i need to buy some projectiles, and i bought the projectiles

, how did i buy the customer? the armament of the ministry of defense is this weapon and funds will already be allocated for the purchase by the ministry of defense of all of this, this is a cool story - this is contactless combat, this is the preservation of the lives of our soldiers, and i want to tell you more, this is a story, i am watching an interview in russia, there are some political scientists there and so on who talk about what you discussed there , are you discussing the tanks that are being transferred, now they are creating an army of drones there, this is scary and really, well, they created such and there was such a phrase, god forbid, it will fly away from them as well i report to the voice of our voice, everything has taken off, and it was not for nothing that the russians put all kinds of anti-aircraft guns on their roofs in moscow, they monitor our air defenses, they monitor

the announcements. well, let's wait for new news . what else did i want ? well, look, uh, was no one hurt during the tests with okay, everything is silent, silent, silent, we keep it, what is it called, we keep silence, we keep informational silence, uh, it's a very cool story, i'm honest, when it was all being organized , i didn't understand what i was getting into participation in fact, when you really know how to take part in a pilot project, which then spills

over into 1 , a separate year of troops is created. very difficult, but for today i can say that the tests were very successful and everything is fine and it will be implemented already at the level of the ministry of defense and it will be implemented in many units of our armed forces and this it's great, it's great when we go all contact battle when the lives of our people are preserved and when we use high-tech means to destroy the enemy, here i see that the ministry of defense has some two different images, that is, on the one hand, this scandal is now buying those eggs, and then it didn't even try to explain what it was and on the other hand, that is, there is another conventionally speaking different person who is open to some

cool initiatives that are uh, which are very good at the international level. no, i cannot say that this is an initiative of the ministry of defense let's not confuse these stories - this is an initiative of the general staff, these are initiatives of the general staff and the general staff is the customer of this, the whole story of the general staff is all organized and when it already forms a need, and it goes to the ministry of defense, it only buys, you know, the ministry of defense has a minister defense is a person, yes, purchases, uh, well, probably, if he conducted oleksii, you know , i want to say that oleksii conducted work on errors, i have such hope, i will tell you more, i went out for a conversation with him, and we should have a meeting on monday a meeting with the workers of light industry, to which the minister of defense confirmed that he would come because, you know, well, maybe after this

scandal, maybe there will be some titanic changes in the work of the ministry of defense, which i really hope for, ms. dano. i see that apart from the fact that you are there you are testing all sorts of new troops, besides that, you are an old traditional grandfather. you can say that in a grandfatherly way. you are collecting cars for our military this week. yes, cars are a topic that is painful for everyone. cars are rubber and rubber. everything else flies terribly this week kyrylo tymoshenko wrote the application for dismissal, who we know that he tested for sure, yes, i lacked all the applications, only the inscription i will sell that he had a chevrolet tahoe, it is not in the application, only the inscription at the bottom was missing,

he sold the chevrolet according to he asked that he can 4,000 yes no bit is not painted he is often the first owner no no he asked you what he gives finally gives this car that is intended to be on the front line no he did not contact me no well that is he is ashamed, he is probably ashamed, well, if you look at the wings, contact me i will accept humanitarian aid and transfer it to the war zone . okay, but the company, which is connected to a certain extent, according to an investigative journalist with kirill tymoshenko , which is engaged in the production of various tv products, received more than 100 million uah for production. for example, they are launching a couple of entertainment shows on the dom tv channel . the budget is 66 million uah. if you had it now, for example

, 66 million uah, so that you would make 60 million uah with them. hryvnia so what's going on in iran? well, butusov , for example, says that he would have bought 700 poppies with that money. well, i 'm telling you that what is currently being implemented in the general staff is the direction of combat, eh, not only you have an intelligence that is, we need investigative first, then combat combatants cannot work without reconnaissance a-a therefore, now almost all volunteers will probably have a greater load on unmanned vehicles because they will be needed and there are not enough of them yet and the new year of the troops, we have already created that's why probably now there will be such big gatherings for many precisely on uh, unmanned vehicles are not statements, but intelligence will be a fact, madam, given, but for your volunteer career, i will say yes, did

you have to hold 66 million in your hands hryvnias in order to invest them in something that will then go to the front lines to help make life easier for our defenders, at once yes no at once no , but i think that during my volunteer life , probably a larger amount of money has already come. counted if something thank you, thank you for such news, they told a little bit of such an intrigue, they added, we will wait for the results of those new troops. are the auctions for calendars already over? no, the auction is over . the calendars with the signature of valery

zaluzhny were bought up. but the spouses of deputies natalya korolevska and her husband yuriy solod did not have time. mandates, it happened after the ukrainian pravda and uh, this weaver, mykhailo weaver, caught them on vacation in dubai , so to speak, the dubai battalion, that's the name of this investigation. so they probably got a call after that saying, well, go to work, we have a meeting of work committees, they are like that well, you know the mandate, no, no, we’re better here. we’ll accept islam, and in general, we’re not bad here, and we’re doing well here. they feed us, or rather , we’ve earned a living in ukraine. we ’ll have enough of our dubai here for the rest of our lives, so minus two mps are a big loss for ukrainian parliamentarism. it was probably sarcasm, someone could have said in parentheses . well, at least honestly means honestly. they

didn’t come like that . well, we didn’t do it a little bit. beats his heel on his chest and tells that he is against the russian world now er-er hmm they made it, they made it well, what can we thank them? i would er- i would have been honest in everything else too it would have been good but actually this week has flown by a lot of all kinds uh, high-profile investigations, and in addition to all that, there was also information that uh , there are possible statements about the ministry of defense and andriy yarmak, it is possible that it is the work of the russian ipsov , in fact, that's what our intelligence says, or so we 'll talk now with maksym kiyak, the leading expert the international direction of the network, mr. maksym, have a good day, have a good day, espresso, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes

, is this really a russian ipso, that is, if there are investigations, then someone will be playing on the side of the enemy or something er, in fact, the information is very misleading, in general, what it should be, and they gave us, er, the gur provided rather misleading information, but it is also necessary to understand that russia, being unable to win now , at least in principle to win on the battlefield , will resort to such psychological operations, but the problem is also that now there are a lot of them, in general, this word plaster is fashionable to call almost anything , lipso and tish, journalistic investigation , and in general, any alternative point of view is immediately called considered as ipsot is something similar to what was called the hand of the kremlin in the 14th year and is now such a long-standing word that is actually not new at all, it is a rather old term that has been used for a long time simply now from such

words as disinformation propaganda decided to use an informational and psychological operation although all any uh, let's say acts of disinformation, they somehow affect uh, in the psyche of people, uh, what will it be, what will it be, the so-called ipso, we'll see, uh, again, i emphasize the lack of information, but russia will use such psychological operations one way or another, but i emphasize that it is not necessary to confuse some investigations with other points of view and call them immediately ipso. and here exactly the question is that our static communication is in trouble because these are just such fake information of a psychological operation arises when there are problems with communication with strategic communication, when there is deception of information, a lack of information, and this also needs to be taken into account. therefore, this issue is a fairly

complex system for it, and it is also necessary to approach the system as a simple ordinary person without education, i don’t know a historian, a journalist, a psychologist, a sociologist, i don’t know a person who practices nlp with the skills of an arrestee , uh, to recognize what ipso is and what it is eaten with and how to protect yourself from it is practically impossible, and you understand what else is specific ipso is precisely because man is an emotional being, and it is just that informational and psychological special operations are aimed primarily at human emotions, human emotions, well, a person cannot simply take and forget, cancel and deny. this is absolutely these are normal too. the aggressor simply uses the so-called god, as i call the human psyche, through his disinformation . of course, people need to check the sources of information , again, it is preferable to use official sources of information, although we have a lot of them now, i would say even too much many we do not have one voice in the guest of the so-called and of course we need to cultivate

and believe in the truth that the truth may not have many rights the truth is one truth not on some semitones and to be nationally and psychologically stable literally handed over the recipe within a minute but in fact all these things are cultivated for years if not decades and it really takes time but unfortunately ukraine does not have time now as we are at war with the russian federation but without a doubt all these things need to be cultivated and brought up in oneself because without this, russia will always win precisely on the information field, on the official field, and precisely on the field of the battle for the psyche of the people, you know simply because of what you say, you can make two opposite conclusions can be drawn, for example, that we need more propaganda because we need to actively counter russian propaganda, and we can conclude that in fact we need more s- more free voice of voices, more information and

more, for example, access to the same minister of defense who could conditionally speaking , give short briefings for the most influential mass media at least once every couple of weeks, and not only those that are, for example , the only news. maybe, but uh, you're right. i would like to clarify my opinion somewhat, of course it is important to have freedom of speech and different alternative opinions, but in times of war they should not be contrary to national interests and to be against ukrainian statehood. because we are now ukraine, the west there is now limited. if we may say so, limited by moral values ​​and by the same truth and principles, and russia, which will implement such disinformation , it is we, in principle, not limited and in this is actually its huge advantage. and what you said about the ep

of the minister of defense, it is possible that at least he would have a deputy who should be responsible for strategic communications, but here again we approach the issue of the lack of system and in general the ineffectiveness of our scripted communication of the state what you need to remember is that communication is not a one -way road, it is a road that is just going , there is two-way traffic, and it is self- evident that it is not just to communicate some kind of message, or advised it in the same way, and it is necessary to be able to listen to the moods of the citizens, we need to talk about the fact that well , in fact, it is possible that not everything is going well on the battlefield . arestovych, who is no longer the official voice of the government, but on the other hand, you have to understand that in every family there is a relative, a friend, a comrade who died in the war, and

it is probably necessary to tell the truth and say that not everything is like that and definitely not everything is so good. and that we definitely won't be celebrating in crimea until summer in yalta and that the war will last a long time and no one will be able to sit down just during the war. i think that such things need to be said, after all, it is necessary to find that balance between the truth and the unwillingness of the enemy to know too much about what is happening, but after all, i would be more inclined to tell the truth now, no matter how convenient it is, you know, maksym, here i am today, today we spoke in front of you with a military historian. no, not even with him, but with a psychologist. well, i said that we are all waiting for ukraine to win and come on god, it will be so, and people were indignant and said what is that presenter doing that she does not believe in the victory of ukraine, uh, and actually here, again , we understand them. none of us know how this

war will end, really, we all want it to end, then in we may have different ideas about what constitutes a victory for ukraine, and how to deal with such people, what to say to them , who are under the influence of propaganda, and perhaps this is correct, but they are firmly convinced that it will be so, and then suddenly, what, then it is extremely difficult a question i hardly answer will i have time to answer within the time given to me, but i am still a supporter of this point of view that there is no need to transform strategic communications into purely such refined propaganda, it is still necessary to give a dose of the truth, whatever it may be , because you know in such a long term, it is possible, it can play quite a bit, uh, well, it’s a joke with the government, and it can actually play even against the government, let’s recall for example a

year ago, when they discussed that there would be no war, don’t worry. that’s all eh. don't push it, i think even then there was the first such warning that something is not very good now in terms of communications. actually , this vacuum of information is a vacuum and it leads to the fact that fakes spread very often, including panic among people, which was the same as a year ago. by the way, it is still the same now, when people do not have information about what is happening , when they receive information from other sources or from relatives who are at the front, then people understand accordingly what apparently, something is wrong with communication now, that's why i'm a supporter of giving true information, it doesn't matter how the enemy disposes of it, he will dispose of it one way or another at will, whether true information is entered or not, but you still need to speak the truth with your own

society it is necessary to conduct a dialogue with society, because society really deserves it, mr. maksym. at the end of november, it was interesting. a very well-conducted survey, and the usa with an interview with the site together, this is an american agency for the development of aid and uh, an interview with a well-known journalistic organization from the media and they did a survey that showed that, by the way , only 11% of ukrainians believe in the holiday and said that they completely trust their main source of information, only 11 completely trust it, it seems to me that an interesting moment, that is, this doubt is present, it is certainly good. this is probably also the presence of some critical thinking on the one hand, and on the other hand, this means that there is no such media that would be trusted by, for example, 50% of people completely

. well, for example, since they probably trusted the bbc during during the second world war, i suspect that the british had 50% trust, and maybe more. and at the same time, only 48% are interested in the sources of information, for example, they said that they trust television the most. there were various options to choose from, and instead 60%. the highest level of trust was in of news channels in e-mail and social networks. that is, it can be, for example, telegram channels. that is, it is e-telegram channel - it is always a certain anonymity, i do not know the author until the end. i’m not telling you what it says. and it’s like that. just comment on these trends , what they indicate. well, in fact, telegram channels have been the leaders for a long time, especially after february . last year, i will honestly say that i myself use some

telegram sources. -channels, including monitoring and russian telegram channels and actually waves - the big advantage is that they are very prompt. yes, you are right , there is a lot of unverified fake information out there , but they are very quick and prompt, and now i even notice that every 5 minutes monitor or something didn't happen and i guess i'm not the only one like that tv has been around for a long time among the leaders but here you also have to understand that people are really trying to look for different alternative points of view and again if they don't have confirmation of their point of view vision, if they don't find the information they are looking for, they go to check other sources of information. but you mentioned the bbc. by the way, i would like to remind you that the bbc is a british public broadcaster, it is practically considered the benchmark of a public broadcaster, and i i would like to perhaps expand this issue a bit and, uh, regarding communication, say that

, unfortunately, we are now uh, experiencing the problems that have accumulated in ukraine during more than 30 years of independence, in particular with the media, by the way, we still do not have a powerful, effective, strong public broadcaster, this is very unfortunately, it is important that we have problems in the media with the media market , they were there a long time ago, there were also channels that belonged to oligarchs , these are regional channels that belong to local princes and the like. therefore, now when we say problems again, talk about communication problems need to be understood. likewise, there are also huge problems in the media sphere and in the media space, and this is one of the important aspects of this problem, and it is very important, so for us too, i don’t know , maybe after the victory after the war, i don’t know if it is now, but it is still necessary to put things in order in the media space, because a lot of the same tv channels simply use the principle of freedom of speech , calling themselves media, in fact, they are not so very often, even on the ground, the media

act as such mouthpieces of local princes and they are just propagandists and you may not agree with me, but i actually notice such a tendency, the problems are not only with this government, it was also under the previous vlad, so again, after the victory, it is necessary to solve this problem as well. well, how do people who believe that journalism - this is primarily a missionary profession, so i, for example, completely agree with what you said, lesya, and this, by the way, explains why in ukraine it has not yet been possible to build an organization that would unite all journalists on the principles of solidarity simply because they are often divided by some kind of loyalty to the owner, for example, of this or that media, or simply because a large part of people who are nominally journalists are not journalists, the institution of reputation has weight , especially when people there until february 24 called for the russian peace, and now suddenly they have become great patriots and they say that they love this ukraine. where is the guarantee that if suddenly

, god forbid, russia wins, these people will not come again and be the first to tell how they love russia. thank you, mr. maksym maksymky, as a leading expert in the international direction in the anta network, was also with us, and now we are too. thank you for being with us andriy savchuk lesya ok, this week and this day worked for you and now anna will work for you noun she already has a fresh selection of news and we watch and listen , and i'll start with the fact that the russians fired at the kherson regional clinical hospital, an injured nurse told the ministry