[000:00:00;00] glad to see and hear well, first of all i want to start with this news and ask you to comment on it, the ukrainian segment on facebook and already on facebook today is actively discussing and even rejoicing somewhere talking about the results of the elections in the czech republic, where, for a change, frankly pro-russian politics general peter pablo came to miloshuzeman, who, in fact, even before this victory , voiced his anti-russian sentiments , understanding what the kremlin is, what russian aggression is, in principle , never had an illusion about this, he thinks he is considered a friend of ukraine and is already planning, as i read today, my visit to kyiv with certain proposals . tell me, please. why did such a person win in the czech republic , first of all, and is there an influence of the fact that they saw this great war in ukraine, how

russia unleashed the czech republic in general? in this regard interesting country, let's remember that the first president of the czech republic was vaclav havel, a democrat, a great builder of a new democratic europe, who was actually the creator of the famous velvet revolution , thanks to which democracy won peacefully in of the czech republic, but after this, this outstanding person comes to the position of president, who was a european and what a lion. he did not block at a certain stage the adoption of the european constitution and the expansion of the european union , and so on. such a side i would say conservatively closed and mercantile now finally it

's like a pendulum has swung in the right direction i would put it this way, i.e. to a broad europe to a democratic europe to a common europe in how ukraine is seen in this europe, that is why the ukrainian society itself takes great interest in it, secondly, the czech republic ranks third in terms of the number of ukrainian displaced persons, that is, in the first place , poland, then the car, and then the czech republic, the czech republic, a small state there are just 10 million population they welcomed hundreds of thousands of ukrainians in the czech republic there are traditions of supporting the ukrainian national liberation struggle in the czech republic , institutions were created in the 20s,

including high educational institutions for ukrainian refugees, that is, the czech republic - this is a close country for us, even though it does not have a common border with us. and finally, a very large number of ukrainian guest workers work in the czech republic, many from transcarpathia, but not only transcarpathia, so the czech republic is important to us . well, the czech republic is like that please, no, please, i will finish your opinion, but the czech republic is also important because the czech republic is a very industrialized, modern state, the historical czech republic was one of the centers of arms production in europe, together with germany , and sometimes germany was overtaken. why does the czech republic help us not only by providing us with certain weapons, but also by being able to repair them and teach us to produce text? these factors give

the institutions and citizens the opportunity to understand that a democratic president has come to power in the czech republic. a liberal and a person with a good military, it is important if you are here. if you did not mention that the czech republic is such an industrial hub of europe where not many things are produced , now the question of the production of weapons for ukraine or, in fact, no one in nato is acute neither in the european union, nor in britain, which is not in the european union, nor in the united states of america can say for sure how long the war will last, of what intensity and for how long, because the intensity may not be high considering russia's resources, but it may still be and that's why there is a question not to bring hai mercechev attack machines, let's say from the lush states, and to make them in germany, there is already such a proposal from a company that manufactures, say, the same

farmers to make such capacities production facilities on the territory of the federal republic of germany, britain had previously said that they wanted to manufacture armored vehicles on the territory of poland , to build a plant there using modern technologies, we understand that this plant will not be built for 25 years, it can be done quickly enough and all production capacities can be built, it will not even be a matter of six months there it can be done even faster, but in your opinion, what do you think this shows, these statements of our european partners that they want to manufacture weapons here? are they doing this with an eye on the future of russia can remain a military state and even possibly weakened, and therefore nato should rearm and make a lot of weapons, because they saw in the war in ukraine, let's say that in a day you can fire there, relatively speaking, from 5 to 15,000 shells in such an intense war . that's why it should be explain a lot, please, they say that sometimes russia fired

60,000 per day, and the fact is that starting from somewhere in the zero years in europe, the idea spread that all the lashes are over and all confrontations are already over, well, you can trade more and the more you trade the richer you become, you can work less and not think about turnover at all, and therefore the budgets of the european nato member countries are a minor exception. and in general, the idea that weapons are needed and armies are needed gradually disappeared, and that is why now we found ourselves, that is, they found themselves the owner of it in such a situation, if they have, it seems, howitzers, but the leg is fatal, and there are no shells, or there are no wheels, or there are no spare parts. and in general, all this is scattered, half

there, half there, when they start collecting something for ukraine, it turns out that it is in warehouses but it cannot be started well, just horror, that is, even if there was no war , some other serious stimulus would be necessary in order for europe to understand that not only peaceful migrants are coming to them through the mediterranean, but dangers are also coming to them and the challenges of the world that at the end of the world there are always conflicts with you everywhere there is a conflict of war and so on and so on and so that europe's own territory should be at the same high level in terms of defense

as it is, for example, in energy or in intellectual and so on and so on i provoked or caused er caused the understanding of a further safe world in quotes in general that there is no such great happiness that one must be ready for any danger but at the same time we do not forget that the production of weapons is big finance, that is, industrial companies in europe wanted to make money, and it's nice, it's good, it'll help us. you know what i want to ask. and tell me, please, right now in ukraine, president zelenskyi is talking about the fact that putin is nobody to him and is completely empty place, and this is clear, even the decision of the president that there will be no negotiations between the president of ukraine and the president of ukraine , the aggressor of the russian federation in moscow, assures that now there are no legal or

factual, so to speak, informal grounds for entering into negotiations between ukraine and russia, and actually all agree with this. please tell me what should happen at the front, first of all, because now the fate of this war is being decided there in order to unblock the dialogue process, because that abramovych , who was allegedly the mediator between the ukrainian power between the bank and er red square let's just say that his role is greatly reduced at least that's what they're writing about now well, i don't know if there's anyone else to replace the framer between whom well, i understand that now erdoğan still calls putin and then they are calling zelensky, there is such and such a course of action, but in your opinion, what should happen in order for the process to be unblocked, or with putin, this putin? and he is already different, for sure, and he will not become unless he is dead, and dialogue is impossible in principle under any circumstances, you actually do not have a dialogue with putin

is needed in order for russia to admit its defeat in the war and agree to liberate the territories or for us to knock it out and it, having gone beyond our borders, he putin a conditional caterer signed e or conditional denis signed e-e surrender and not adolf hitler even if hitler would be alive no one would sit down with him in one day, that is, the question is not what the question is. it is only about the transitional one who will replace putin and in this way he will arrange to contact you again because there are certain interruptions with the sound, we can see you, but... certain sentences fall out because we you were heard better by our viewers, we will sort you out literally in a few seconds, we will come back to this work , to this conversation, i will only inform you once again. this is

the terrible shelling of kherson. they write on the website of the kherson regional military administration that there is information about the victims and a few people were killed, the occupiers also shelled residential quarters and the kherson regional hospital, but now we are looking at the actual news in our country before that it was said that the kherson regional clinical hospital was fired upon , a nurse was injured, that is what it is about. there was also information of a different order that because of shelling due to shelling of residential quarters there are injured and dead, we will follow up with the information. now we will return to the conversation with mr. andrii veselovskyi. once again so the question is not whether a specific putin will not speak and sit down at the table, and i will repeat that when germany

capitulated after germany, that was what they were doing for a day, a cycle, and, accordingly, the allies sat on the side and not the heads of state were sitting, no one would want to sit at the same table with such a person as putin , but this, and i repeat, is not necessary, the question is only in the other one, whether at the time of the end of the war , our victory, we repeat it again, will be like this at the time of the end of the war or there will be some initial government in moscow or there will be some kind of khunda or some impulse in the name of the russian federation and on the street with the fact that our borders are being restored and everything is secret to you zaporizhzhia and so on

, this is not russian land at all. not a problem and otherwise a problem because today, unfortunately, public support, if not support, then at least such a neutrally positive attitude towards the aggressive war against ukraine, that's it. and mr. andriy, i thank you very much. unfortunately, the connection disappears, but i thank you for joining. thank you for your comments, actually we we heard that at the end , there were only certain problems. andriy veselovskyi was with us diplomats, a permanent representative of ukraine to the european union in the eighties and ten years, an extraordinary ambassador of ukraine, and now we are already trying to contact our next guest, if we get in touch with them, i will introduce him, and now i am reading information about kherson, this is the information from 15.05 , the link to the press center of the kherson regional military administration is wandering around the residential quarters of the city on this

for a minute we know about many victims, injured and dead, the message goes kherson people take cover or stay at home using the rule of two walls and in no case stay on the street here are the shots we will not show them obviously they are all one thing, there are a few shots where people, civilians, civilians from kherson are just lying on the street already. obviously, they are either wounded or lifeless rescuers on the streets, well , in any case, you even know here. well, this is another terrible crime of the terrorist regime of putin and his army his mercenaries of all those military groups that are on the territory of our state and continue to heal in the peaceful city, well , actually kherson, he wants, is actually on the front line, but this is a city that is already de-occupied today, and there is definitely no fighting there the fighting is not bakhmut, it is not avdiyivka, it is not near where the fighting is going on, it is not, well, relatively speaking, there is no maryinka, not some other settlements. yes, kherson today has simply

become such a point where the enemy is trying to apply its negative energy, its height , you disappointment that he had to leave there, his ambitions are not satisfied, and he wants to take revenge on the peaceful residents of kherson who remained in this city, despite the fact that there is a great danger of staying there, that you will be out soon, so they will drive us russians away. well, pressed since the time when kherson deo was bought, many local residents died and were injured, again, it is not possible to talk here but how the russians present it, what is their logic ? and if we had not left there, then all these people would already be alive well, first of all, no the fact that all these people were alive, because even though kherson was not shelled, the armed forces of ukraine did not fire on the city in civilian clothes , so to speak, they tried to hit the armed forces of ukraine with pinpoint strikes on ammunition depots and locations of manpower of the enemy's manpower and equipment near kherson or even somewhere in the nearest populated areas, but despite the fact that they did not do

this, the enemy left kherson, despite the fact that after leaving kherson, the enemy kidnapped many people from there, took many people from there, they were tortured and destroyed, so the occupied the city, although it was not shelled, in fact , it was not safe, it was not peaceful, it was a city of terror. of course, people who cooperated with the occupation administration, people who were calm but new rules of the game and lived in novaya the reality in kherson was obviously more or less normal for them, those people who remained ukrainians remained their ukrainian position, did not renounce their citizenship, their passports, did not agree to the conditions and legislative norms of the aggressor country, those people were worried about who was able to leave, who was able to to leave, those who could not leave, they worked and as for vidniks, as partisans, as saboteurs in enemy lines. and there are people who simply lived, but lived from the ukrainian position. they pulled out from behind apartments and destroyed buildings, and it was not

only in kherson . it was in skadovsk. it was in oleshki. not true. it was all just that there were no explosions. there was no chaotic shelling of residential areas there, let's say from mlrs, a hail of s-300 systems and other other reactive and non-reactive and long-range artillery, so of course, that's all that we see now dead people on these snow-covered ones such dirty streets of kherson. well, they are not dirty because of what they clean up, but because of what he was doing , after all, he leaves his traces. it is all the fault of russia. the destruction of mutilation in the city that was de-occupied, the city from which the war started , but these shellings remain. well, we will monitor the situation in kherson

. e-e p vakhtange i congratulate you i ask you good day i wish good day to you i know what to do speak russian if it is possible i can speak in ukrainian or how is more convenient for you i will start from where in georgia well the first question by the way friends is interesting ukrainian ombudsman authorization of the verkhovna rada on rights person wanted to visit the penitentiary in georgia where the former president of georgia, now a citizen of ukraine , mikheil saakashvili, is being held, but he does not receive permission to do so. at least to see the state and understand what is happening with saakashvili, whom we can only see in the photo of some rare videos that

are posted somewhere on the network from time to time. больной человек надо нам монете and uh-eh сейчас решеается вопрос how to be with him in the future that is eh action vopros now there is a process, i would say uh-eh now we have a court session a-a about what if the court will release him from a-and means er-e to tell him that they gave him the opportunity er-e means his as he says about himself vertik from the mission and but i think that the court of fact continues because it dries up first of all the experts and the medical players who have to will give the corresponding as it is said , it means it has been declared how much saakashvili is more ready to

say. what is the most interesting thing is that the authorities and georgia are all part of it so say that the process will become a moment and i think that while in power it means eh, the reception minister is speaking and eh, the tycoon of ivanyshchuk is like, eh, now. it is customary for us to speak with the informal eh, ruler of georgia . i don't think that saakashvili's question will be resolved in this context from the other side , eh, to no one. even in that month, saakashvili because ego, how to say the party that he created to go national жизнь сейчас is in a very difficult situation because the actual stages of the division are on the edge of the division, or even if the elections are going on now, who will be

the new chairman of this party, and there is a very complicated situation, and even how to say everything else political parties , we are very sorry to say that they are coming for the sick saakashvili, that is, the third president of georgia , despite the strengthening of the resignation to the right-wing party in georgia of the georgian dream and the government from the border community there would be a parliamentary resolution of the polish sejm to say something through resolutions from the council of europe and so on they talked about how the representative of the ukrainian government would like to overturn the court's sentence a-a vedu его тяжёлые вечелые

пока этот вопрос they say behind the scenes in russia that there are certain rumors from there, so we cannot confirm them, but we cannot refute them, and it seems that we are talking about the fact that , understanding, in principle, in the future, a defeat in ukraine to one degree or another is a defeat because the war will achieve the goals of which angles even if it were successful there, well if it even happened that putin left behind something somewhere, a part of the donbass or something else, but globally he will not achieve his goals, and therefore in order to present, especially before the elections that will be held there in the near future. well, not the next one year in russia, in order to present at least some kind of victory, putin needs a war with some small state, and they are considering armenia and georgia, well, putin was already in georgia. then there were agreements, he left . please tell me if this understanding exists today in georgia, or at least among the leaders of society the leaders of public opinion have an active, so to speak, understanding of georgian society

that this danger exists, please. the fact that russia is losing the war in ukraine now, russia needs some kind of geopolitical compensation, and so the war, so to speak, would absolutely act as a choice of either the armenians or georgia, and it is even possible to kill it, that they are nothing to protect because what concerns in unfortunately, georgia's breasts are growing, and the influence of the russian federation is growing .

it grows, it increased to 25 million dollars and approximately. i would say economic expansion from the side, that is, here we actually see a hybrid war , that is, an economic one. the informational component is also the climate of the war, and now the question is about the political composition of the components of a specific hybrid war, because in fact the russian special services are strengthening the invasion, even on a positional basis. i would say something like that. and i would say optically. i would say that. ligbez or a light apathetic tango dances with the kremlin. it is possible

to say something like that. appeared pro-russian political luther, who want to seize at least the power within the opposition movement, by the way, i am not talking about this, well, the leaders of the national movement, who are now just uh, are in the head at this stage, yes, about it mr. georgy also spoke, so it means that even mikhail saakashvili talked about it, too, that he , as they say, came to georgia with a representative of the special services, and in fact, how said to those people showed well, he didn't specifically mention the surnames and first names of the surnames that provoked him to come to bylysa and then just as he had already turned up and ended up in prison yes so that's here too we're all somehow there as we say

, the influence of the russian federation on the hobby side of the political system of georgia, that is, in the context of the right-wing political situation. that even russia can begin to say that it will appear 10 against georgia so that in general how will it take over this country, or at least, as it is said , raise a political subject under itself , arrange as it is called, i told how such a quiet coup d'état is already possible how to completely change the external political turnover , er , to the other side, that is, instead of a factory in the second north. yes, this is the itaksk scenario. the national security of the russian federation, putin asked this question by the way: he needed a monetary war or property or a raspberry victory, even if it was in the caucasus, but even though he called, as they say , a

specific country in this shoulder . yevgeny's personal well, ideally, i still have three questions, i'll probably put only 2. we have 5 minutes left. i'll be the first to say whether the idea will be implemented. oh, i already passed russian well. will the idea be implemented ? regarding restoration air connections between russia and georgia, because the georgian government says that it should be done, but the president with two razobishvili took a critical view of it, whether it will be or not , please thank you very much, i agreed with you, i wanted to sink, this is my question, too , my comments i have already been promised, yes, i have learned negatively , i have rejected the possibility, even though the opening of a direct flight between tbilisi , russia, but unfortunately, you will make a member yourself

, in fact, it is already known that такой i would say to a lame duck what kind of rabbit it is, tell me about the influence on ukrainian politics french minimally and even so say brazil and so say the government is already in the hands of the president and the prime minister of georgia and the right and the party in which you are to bring a representative of this apartment for kolbakhiz, the mayor of tbilisi, as allazy and the prime minister and the council shuryk , who, by the way, is better and more positive heals with not warming and in moscow i don’t know. this is now in moscow, how will they accept this, what kind of solution is the search to be accepted in this regard, but this is how the question is formulated in georgia at this stage, that is, the more right-wing parties support this land, well, they are not against the ukrainian case

so that such a thing took place eh and here is the president of georgia, the representatives of the national i.e. with a representative or a position and eh , the majority against this decision later what am i going to lose again? what will it be ? how will the russian and economic expansion in georgia be strengthened ? i will ask. and how many russians in georgia did they leave georgia in general? so when this partial mobilization was announced, well, this is already a question, eh, the russians of georgia are no longer worth it, many russian citizens have already left georgia, and i think что сейчас it's just that it's so big that russia doesn't have it in georgia anymore, i think it's very good, it's a sign of a good

sign ah well now we'll wait if the pudding even means such an opinion to somehow fix it the loose position that is now in russia is being given away in ukraine a-a i think that even then the second wave of russians can say that and the third wave of russians can already say that and go to the breast already. so far, what are these things like? большого так сакзать плеска тоска российский э-э граджиии они замечается на майже день i thank you very much for joining, thank you for your comments vakhtang my save georgian expert doctor of political sciences on the е-е russianization of the georgian government despite the fact that we understand that the georgian the people support ukraine and this is a fact we remember