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[000:00:00;00] according to the local population, i.e. what, what, everything, what putin imagined sometime later in 2022, about the fact that their armies will welcome er all over ukraine, everything about that is exactly the kind of story they told about the rise of the bolsheviks in 1918 , maybe vladimir putin was brought up on that and wanted to when he spoke, we can repeat, he meant exactly this, but how was it a myth in 1918, because in fact there was resistance even under kruty and there was generally resistance to the advance of the bolshevik army, so this myth was completely shattered in 2022 when putin already had to meet not only the armed forces of ukraine, but in fact the absolute and all people's front , there are a lot of myths surrounding the battle near kruty, and some of them say that these were all very young guys, 15-16 years old, and they were sent
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simply to the slaughter. as far as i understand, they were very young there, but it was not the majority of people who at that station gave battle to the russians. politicians, all the participants of both parties who took part in this fight, they understood what they were doing, they understood the weight of their victim , they understood the risk they were taking, that is, each of them understands that it is quite possible that they will not return because of this fight, it concerns those people who participated in their personnel of the ukrainian armed forces that took part in this battle, yes, among them, most of them were cadets, er, cadets of military schools, that is, quite young guys from 17-18-20 years old, but there were also about a hundred professional troops, those who were just from
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operated in the army of the ukrainian people's republic, so once again there was a desire to present this battle exclusively as such a tragedy or even a defeat. well, it is far from what really happened in the battle near kruty in the 18th year, that is, if we can still agree with the fact that it was a tragedy, of course, the death of hundreds of soldiers is a tragedy, then this definitely cannot be shown as a kind of defeat in any case, or i do not see the senselessness of sacrificing people who took part in this battle, and it was absolutely not senseless, it was small and practical concrete consequences, and extremely important, it also had these ideological consequences, which is why we still remember this battle near kruty , because it became an example and a symbol of the sacrifice of ukrainians and young people who were ready in 918 , when before that the first world war was terrible, and before that decade if not the century of enslavement well, in fact, the ukrainian
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national movement at the end of the 19th century was already quite large-scale, that is, it covered a large number of people, in particular young people who , er, realized themselves as ukrainians er at the beginning of the 20th century, this national movement was a cross-section of the phase of such a cultural movement , in the political spotlight, the political demands for the creation of an independent ukrainian state were formulated for the first time. it was precisely those events that were connected with the first world war that added to the dynamics of the development of the ukrainian national movement, and therefore, as soon as the russian power in 1917, as soon as the february revolution took place there , the ukrainian national movement, which created the central rada of ukraine, immediately manifested itself in full force. of the ukrainian state and i do not agree with those historians and some experts who say that ukrainians were very slowly moving towards independence, in fact no , ukrainian independence was declared in january 1918, ukraine became the second country after finland, which declared its independence on the ruins of the comments, so in fact, this path from
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uh, the demands of autonomy, what started the ukrainian revolution before independence took place in just a few months. the changes were taking place just for the youth, the youth, who did not need to change their worldview, who did not need to reject their warnings about the possibility of some kind of coexistence with russia, what is possible of some kind of good russian, about which we are discussing a lot now , not for the youth it was becoming more obvious that yes we , like the representatives of other nations, should have the right to our independence, our independent state, if we have to pay for it with our lives, those boys and girls were ready for it, yes, i am sure that we all have opportunities for that, we are obliged to take advantage of the opportunities given to us by history, which are much better than what
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those who died near kruty had for joining volodymyr vyatrovych, a people's deputy and historian, was with us in the studio today to talk about 105 - on the anniversary of the battle near kruty , now there is a short pause and we continue to fortify the borders of ukraine for drones, join the gathering of the border guard, tell me honestly how you are, i hold on, i hold on, if you cover, cover strongly the last time it was a story with a dog crimea, this story touched me very much then. i just sit and cry. i stood with my feet shoulder-width apart, smoothly raise my right hand up, reach up with the edge of my right palm, as if you are trying to press it to the sky, and with the edge of my left hand , reach down. i took this position and took several
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smooth inhalations and exhalations. imagine that you are a tree that slowly shakes the gentle wind sways a little on the inhale smoothly come out of the pose and put the palms on the chest on the exhale slowly lower them rest for a few seconds and do the same but already with the other hand there this technique in your bird, help yourself, more here they work in the dark , giving us light even during rocket attacks, despite the weather and danger day and night, they do everything possible to keep us warm and connected, even with interruptions
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, people who bring us life, who already became heroes, although you won't see them in the news, warriors and sprinkle any darkness, our real knights of light , thanks to you, we will survive the earth , energy workers, thank you, i understand that this is a war , the booth turned over the two swam further downstream, well, i watched a lot, i was very tearful, were they looking for them, they said that if she lied , they would return here with tanks, the occupiers began to look for wounded servicemen, the doctors simply took these wounded to their homes and hid the families to whom they turned refused to understand that the city
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does not seem heroes are not born to our generation three revolutions and war have already grown up a nation of free people they will not become slaves death is better from monday to friday at 11:00 p.m. marathons are the only news. we continue the marathon together with the ukrainian philosopher and publicist vakhtang kabuladze, who joined us today in the vakhtang studio . i already congratulate you. it seems to me that i tried all the methods in order to turn ukrainians into soviet people, they did not succeed, the ukrainian identity
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was preserved and restored in 1991, and i when i look at this historical process, at this historical one, i question everything. and how despite the soviet union, despite the russian empire , our ukrainian identity has been preserved . what is the secret? well, first of all, you said that the war was lost. i wouldn't say why. because i am now one of my functions is i conduct a german-language essay, it does not interrogate, i write such an expert, there is ukrainewald, what an information platform , etc. one of these exhibitors i called uh what to call modern war because i think we have a problem with how we call it because well what kind of war is it yes uh i well more often we say it's a full-scale invasion but okay if this is a full-scale invasion, so what is the general name of this war, and i say that the answer to this question depends on the answer to another question, when
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did this war begin, because it did not begin on february 24, 22, it began on the 14th year, as on not me, that is, it seems to me that everything is in general history, we are in a permanent war between russia and the russian empire, it’s just that sometimes it fades away in such a sheltered state , and sometimes it breaks out, and that’s why the liberation contests of the beginning of the 20th century are cool. it’s just an episode of all the huge battles against this imperial monster, yes and by the way, our partners also need to understand this, because they think that we are fighting for putin against putin, that putin will die there, that's what we talked about on the air is that yes and that's all no, we are not fighting against putin, we are fighting against of russia and whether he will come there after putin may be worse than putin that's why i'd really like to call this war here i'll finish this ex-player in german i'd really like to call this war the last war with russia
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that's what we can do to defeat this monster and our descendants will not have to fight with russia for freedom, dignity and independence and all human rights, but they are such, this kind of comment is very important, and against this background, your question becomes even more acute, because if there is war all the time, if we do not know at all of peace a ot i once thought that my parents were both born after the second world war, so at once, this is the first generation on our earth that could live without war, because all the previous generations experienced different wars, and by the way, how to call the same ones there , what was there in the 1920s, i was talking to a german friend there. he said, "oh, your civil war. i'm saying it's not a civil war, it's our war against russia. then he was so surprised because this history, the soviet history of russia, was imposed on the world . they say it was the civil war." on the ground
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of the russian empire. for us, it was a war of independence against the russian monster, and we fought. by the way, with two armies, and with the red and white, yes . that was the only thing that united the red and whites. and then the poles were not on our side, thank god, now on our side, against the background of this, this issue is even more acute if there is constant war, if constant war is either a hot phase or a cold one, and all our ancestors lived at least part of their lives during the war. my parents are not anymore they were judged yes, they lived to see this horror, i am alive well, this is simply an element of my life , my daughter, who has been through the war for 25 years, and that is, god grant that her children live in peace. therefore, the question becomes how to preserve this identity in general, as she preserved and why was the ukrainian political nation revived? and we, i can say that this, by the way
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, is what distinguishes us from the russians . i have very little there, but i think that as a ukrainian and i am proud of it. just like a political ukrainian, er, ask. but in russia, on the contrary, i also write in one expener that in russia, what is their trap, is it not a trap, or are they they built an empire, but they didn't shape it politically, and that's why they are so afraid of losing the empire, because if they lose the empire, who are they anyway, and who are they, and because there is no political nation in society as such , or there were hopes that sacrifices would begin, people would take to the streets, they didn't care they treat themselves as a resource and that's why for me, for us, each of our dead hero-heroines is this sacred. there we
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are in our policy of co-operation from long ago until now. it's mostly verbal. politics is writing. or students of history, and that's why you can say, and it's not my opinion that where was ukrainianness preserved in ukrainian culture and before us in literature and in the ukrainian language, huh? yaroslav hrytsak is a famous ukrainian historian, by the way, it's not his opinion, he is quoting someone, i have forgotten two points, you are very important, firstly, he talks about the fact that, well, in his newest book , the global history of ukraine will present the past , firstly, that the peoples who read the books became nations, well, i would add it and write it first, this is a necessary condition, but by no means insufficient, the russians wrote books, but they did not become a nation, so that we did not write books, crimean reserves. yes, but by the way, who did this, these ideas belonged to the kyivans. yes, there were their own, but they were
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always present. agents of influence of russia and the kremlin a- and er, where is it stored in to literature first of all and hrytsak also quotes this from some british historian, i forgot now, i will say what if it is an interesting observation if the great political nations of western europe were primarily politicians , no matter how you treat bismarck, let's say this or de gogol there, if we take the bourgeois revolution because cromville in england and , for example, the great political nations of eastern europe were created by poets and, for example, the role of mickiewicz for the poles. today is so relevant for us. yes, when do you remember this fantastic episode when our guys are liberating some towns in the east, they are robbing a terribly worthy
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father, and yes, and there are shevchenko's lines, and they are paying, and so on. and by the way, that's why shevchenko, i will leave on a topic that is close to me as a writer and here is a person who has been working with texts all his life , here is what lies again in russian culture and this terrible poem by brodsky and about ukraine, which end with the lines about dignified and despicable absolutely chauvinistic he is imperial, this waste is imperial, he knows how we will die. he knows that we will die, and they know how it is strengthened not by the lies of taras with the word alexander yes . and here i am today. i am telling the truth.
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shevchenko and pushkin are becoming more and more relevant for us. i don't doubt his political talent. it's very simple in history, but we're talking about the influence on history . but pushkin, for me, today split into two different poets, at least one of them is the salon is not a poet, refined, there is a master, but well, it doesn’t speak to me well, it’s not about me, it’s just a set of beautiful words, and poetry is not about that, and the other is a chauvinist against a fascist, a xenophobe, poltava, hatred of ukrainians, the caucasian cycle, yes, that’s known that is, who can offer me nothing but evil and hatred for the peoples around me. and who can offer me nothing but some kind of salon poetry. shevchenko offers me a vision not only of my current visa in the future to talk about what we would like to
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this war was called the last war of russia against ukraine, which of course will end with the victory of ukraine in this visa, but all the previous historical experience, as you and i have already said, well, it does not really paint such a picture of the future for us, because if it is an eternal war, an existential war, then it can become the last well, here i will say a thing that is not popular, and well, it is not that pessimists and she is a realistic investment in this uh, well, i said about our victory, i believe in the fact that uh, but in the fact that it will happen, but in what mode will happen, we need to get rid of one illusion that is very dangerous even for our mental health, so they say that there will be a victory someday , the exact date of this victory will be fixed and after that a new world will begin in which we will live, i even suggest that ukrainian does not have these moods of the future tenses. but in english there is a meme that we constantly use, so it
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spread all over the internet and there and on facebook and twitter in all messengers and ukraine is and ukraine will win, but i would like it this is it this is future and friend and i propose to replace it with future continuous ukraine will be in ukraine will win yes yes because it is a huge long process and it is not only defeating russia you well, okay, we expelled the russians from our territory and what to do next olena styazhkina dangerous forms, not recently , but she spoke, she said correctly, the thing is, he says that there is such an illusion, like he died, we will let crocodiles go there, but the rockets fly over the crocodiles, they said, but i do not completely agree with her, yes, where is the stage of victory okay, we liberated crimea, and there is novorossiysk nearby, what is the black sea fleet, even if you imagine then a fantastic outcome of this war, that the black sea fleet is going away, but it is based in novorossiysk and it is a constant threat, a constant threat, yes, that is, one problem that interests the conversation
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, time flies very quickly and i am with her after which we will return, we are talking with vakhtang kabladze , a ukrainian philosopher, now the news and we will continue our conversation strengthens the borders of ukraine to drones, join the gathering of border guards, tell me honestly how you beat me i don't have any such feeling, maybe it's preservation , i uh, i imagine such a bubble around the house and nothing will fly here for sure. is the ring something that evokes pleasant memories
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and feelings? it is good that this thing is always at hand. when you feel negative, take the amulet in the palm of your hand and concentrate on the feelings it evokes. mentally describe the shape, color, weight of it. i need you to stabilize this technique in your self-help first aid kit. we have endured more here because we understand that our people are the most important wealth. that is why we are happy for every ukrainian and the ukrainians we managed to save. we simply know that there is no such thing as a small amount of help. and the projectile only strengthens our unity and
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desire to win, unlike them, we will put up, we will win and we will recover from the ruins , washed by whom, the woman never went anywhere, the ukrainians and we will arrange left the home, evacuated from dangerous regions in need of financial or humanitarian support call the hotline for crisis issues of the ministry of reintegration at the number 15:48 or contact the hotline of the commissioner for internally displaced persons at + 3 8 066 813-62-39 specialists will provide qualified advice if it is temporarily occupied territories contact the hotline of the ministry at the number of what to see on the screen through the messenger whatsapp telegram or viber 1548 we will help you
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share these tips it can save the enemy is making every effort to make this winter unbearable for us, rocket attacks on thermal power plants on the gas infrastructure but nevertheless, as of today, january 29, the heat in the houses is mostly electricity. although with interruptions, it is supplied. and now we talk about the state of affairs in the gas industry let's talk with the director of the gas supply company naftogaz of ukraine serhii belyaev p serhii i welcome you thank you for visiting good afternoon tell me that we are constantly talking about electricity , about the restoration of power lines, but the russians are also bombarding gas today, the gas situation is better, let’s say, better compared to other energy sources a-a we have gas and we are passing successfully and this entire gas
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season, which will end there in april, well, today we supply gas 12 million a- and household goods and in fact, we provide gas to every family, it happened last year, when all the supplying companies were actually unable to provide a gas supply and we had to protect the population of ukraine in this situation, and we are the supplier of the last hope have taken over all the clients, respectively, we now have 12 million clients served as a whole, as if eh, yes, eh, there is a problem with energy supply, but gas today - it is not enough and does not apply, and accordingly, i
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i don't think that even in the worst case scenario, well, the enemy will be there , they will curse us, the enemy was still counting on general moroz, as always. one of the softest goals in history observations, but we know that usually in ukraine, the end of february, the beginning of march is the time when frosts can hit, if the weather turns away from us, it will be -15 -20 , will there be enough gas in the storages in order to maintain the heat supply to the ukrainians, well , to date, we have analyzed different scenarios, we have prepared из молчить к лучшем секнарии how is this a waste of the best land and a garage for the worst impacts of ukraine 's infrastructure and we can say with complete confidence that people will have gas and well seven i will have gas , gas will be eh well practically in all of this
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it sounds reassuring the other day the head of nkrekp said that after the heating season tariffs will probably be revised, tariffs for communal services, what will happen to the price of gas , how long can it be received for consumers. eh, well, in fact, gas starting from eh, the first even, probably , year a-and, respectively, until the end of the heating season, it is fixed after the heating season, we will look at it based on the situation that will be in at that moment in the market, how will the production of gaza work, how will the situation be, well, in general, the gas tariff in our country, well , despite the fact that we have a warring country, it is the lowest in europe, and we understand that
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the situation with the solvency of the population, well, therefore, based on all these decisions , the state will make a decision. at what price ? state pays for gas and, accordingly, you just need to contact the appropriate authorities there to manage social protection or the pension fund and issue a subsidy, and well, anyway, have less problems with paying for actual services, which are now the gas tariff for the population. it doesn’t matter who it is actually for. сложный вопрос на очень деле економичестве well, as for the gas supply companies, we are, well, in fact, we are entrusted with the duties of replacing gas at a reasonable price, and
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accordingly, well, actually, the difference the state estimates that either this is a deferred adjustment , that is , it will compensate for it in the future . - in fact, it depends on the economic situation in the country and the balance of the gas that exists in the country , and well, let's talk about the aid that we receive from external partners in order for the tariff to remain unchanged during the war . fix in this regard, mass non-payments, for example, well, so, in fact , the situation with the accounts is not so sad , and indeed, it is impossible to disconnect them during the period of the war of our consumers and the refusal
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of payments on indeed, it is quite high, that is, we are actually with us, 90% of the population is counted, this is even taking into account the territories that partially, or were after the purchase, left them, and that is why we are actually grateful to our clients that they , er, understand er, that at the same time, it is not a payment for gas, it is support, including countries and so on ah, but less, and let’s say less time for the state in order to stabilize the economic situation there. because without the economy, of course, it would be extremely difficult for us to live in these conditions . the debtors are not of their own volition, they simply got confused in the payment and even before the great war we stories about this were regularly made, people were told that there is a payment to the gas distribution companies and the gas supply , so give some life hacks on how to understand this payment and pay it exactly and where it is necessary
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for the money to arrive today the population is stable with two types of companies , which are the first type of company - this is a gas distribution company, or what the people call oblgaz, and that is, oblgaz is responsible for transport, and for the delivery of gas to the apartment, respectively. they are paid for the tariff. the so-called distribution a-a is a monthly payment. it is divided into equal sums. with these companies , people face the fact that they give them statements because the meter that is in the apartment or in the house is responsible for precisely a- and gazoraspredelytelnoj kompaniya a-a according to the sales company, well, today the situation is like this: in fact, we are alone because 98% of gaza is supplied, and we

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