[000:00:00;00] here we see that it is the fight against corruption, not the rubbing of corruption, and only then did biden announce the transfer of abrams tanks to us, which opened the way to the vegetard tanks in ukraine with a machine gun, but all this was really after the publication, and i directly associate it with her because well and in the statement of the head of state, it was said that ukraine is doing the right thing, that society, civil society monitors state procurement, including the military. that is, it was isolated there, and that is why it is very important for me to confirm western governments are much smarter than we thought, because i , too, am one of those who were afraid that we would be misunderstood .

they will use it somehow. no, i got it and the russian media , that is, even the russians could not present this story to the discrediting public , so they tried something, but it didn't work . tanks, we finally got it, it's an offensive weapon that will lead us to victory, and now it is very important to fix on the fact that, in theory, the rats do not lead to such large-scale devastation when we don't have money for fuel for the russian soldiers , well, that is, we need money to fight for a very long time. now, the big task is to get the guys there in the trenches of the armed forces of ukraine we destroyed the occupiers. and we destroyed our internal companies because they are as much a threat to the existence of ukraine as the external occupiers. mr. yuriyovych, we should expect some new materials from you on a similar topic. that somewhere in the fall, at the beginning of winter, many officials there in

the pechersky hills had some kind of confusion, because for some reason they listened or something else. they thought that we had already won and it was possible to return to the old kleptomaniacs a habit, unfortunately, it made many people dizzy , but we will do what we started, we will protect this, well, on our territory from grumpants and we will continue like this, there will definitely be root publications , let's say there is a minister who should be stressed get ready because uh well i don't i want my son to have the same ukraine as when we entered this war. we must come out of the war clean. thank you, yuriy nikolov , journalist, founder of the project - our money , author of a high-profile investigation into potential financial abuses in the ministry of defense in the procurement of food and supplies for our defenders. we

are not waiting for just some kind of rhetorical reaction to this event, we would like to see specific investigations, the results of which will be made public. well, look, because of his professional activity, nothing will happen to threaten dmytro lutuzhansky with us, director of the institute of central european strategy, founder of the re open ukraine project, we welcome you, mr. dmytro, we will talk about orbán not only about orbán, but the president, about the president of croatia . well, unnatural a week ago we talked, he said next what in the west quote they don't understand that in ukraine time is on russia's side russia is a huge country and she can mobilize a huge

army in ukraine, instead, the troops are running out, said orban without confirming his words with any evidence, however, he said that there is a quote by the country's leader who is on the right side of history , which means the right side of history in the understanding of the hungarian prime minister, i'm asking dmytro now, i have to to explain that i somehow do not justify viktor gorbana , i am trying to explain his logic , you see it well, it is strange at least how he correctly understands the side of history hungarians have had a traumatic experience many times during the 20th century. well, there at least twice they found themselves on the wrong side of history, they lost wars , sided with the aggressor and not only the aggressor.

even in jokes, there are several such jokes that if there are uh, it may sound rude, but if there are three sticks there and one of them is a stick with shit, then take out the stick with shit, that is , the hungarian deputy, that is, they have it, you know, at the level the right side of such an injury history in the understanding of viktor hor, and this is his political position to stay away from war, it is now almost a quote, that is, to take such an isolationist position despite the fact that hungary is a member of the eu, nato and there are collective obligations there, despite the fact that ukraine is hungary's immediate neighbor and viktor robantsem said that it is in the undeniable interests of hungary for ukraine to maintain an independent state so that we do not have a direct border with russia, and again, hungarians have had enough of the year 56, when the soviet union russia by the decision of moscow, they carried out an intervention, i.e. these are such paradoxes, but this is the understanding of viktor orbán around this, he built

his political position before the invasion after the invasion. well, you know, he is such an example , in my opinion, a bad example for western countries to follow. well, you mentioned the croatian president. well, no. only he went to the post of president with this agenda, with this rhetoric, he got to the point where he said that if russia attacks poland, we will not send troops there and we will help, that is, imagine the level, as they say, of cynicism and actually manipulation, because even what the grandmothers said, what orban often says, it does not correspond to reality . well , what did prorvana say about the president of croatia? declared that crimea will never be part of ukraine again. that the eu is entering a war with a superpower, that is, with russia. this is reported

by the publication rts, a quote when you don't understand that serbia and russia are one and the same. question mark that it is unfortunately a painful fact and a danger, we annexed kosovo, we and the international community took it away from serbia, who did it, if not us , a question mark. did we recognize kosovo ? the opinion of the president of croatia, zoryan milonovych, also applies to crimea, the quote crimea will never be ukraine again, this is what the leading german generals say, for some reason , the german generals are the ones who say the president of croatia, dmytro, well, what is it? the difference between crimea and kosovo, please oh, you know, these are not comparable things at all, regardless of the fact that we once had a tie there in the official position of ukrainians , that we do not recognize kosovo because we have this

history with crimea and its occupation there even the term nexia does not quite fit, well, again, these are not comparable things , what the president of croatia is doing is shocking, er , provoking, he is holding on to this , what kind of rating, look, even orban does not come to this, orban never said that there crimea - this is russian, that is, you see, it can be. even if they say it is worse in the west in rhetoric, what if the problem with all these statements is they themselves, these politicians, well , if they do not decide and make the weather eh final in the west in the european union in nato but in such a very distorted form of manipulatives in the form of viktor orbán and the president of croatia, they broadcast these attitudes of the western part there, you can call them pro-russian trumpists, these politicians

who want to conclude such an agreement a hybrid one is possible er obliquely here it is just more suitable yes, because it is such a complex, very multilateral agreement that was difficult to start there, it is difficult now it is being implemented here, here, er, there may be some parallels but again, the context is completely different, completely different, that is why er this is a dangerous signal, and ukraine and its partner need to be very careful, you know, which of these serious players are already there, and not only viktor orbany. and the president of croatia will be this uh. well, i don't know . these hybrid solutions will be promoted on on another level, well, i have such a question for a boy's mind, eh, dmytro, look, there is the czech republic, the man you mentioned, mr. babish, who resorted to such a little populist rhetoric and in general was so-so , well, so-so alternative, to be honest, he used to be

milozhzevan, who for a long time was considered e there, a close friend of putin and connections uh-uh, nevertheless, when the moment of a large -scale invasion came, we saw a fairly balanced position and the rhetoric was conscious, and the help that the czech republic is giving us now. this also needs to be taken into account when we talk about mr. zeman at the time of the elections, what do the czechs do, weigh the reality and bet on a person who has military experience, who understands what nato is, who understands what the world security system is, and accordingly it looks very adequate , what is wrong with the hungarians, who is always orban? again, just for the sake of people, please explain

, yes, it’s a good question , even if it’s a simplified one, i’ll try. in the elections that were held there in april of last year, in the parliamentary elections and in all the previous ones, by the way, orban has been in power for 12 years, that is, already in his third and fourth term, three terms in a row, there was no peter pavel, that is, there was no real competitor until now viktor orbana, who would compete with him and possibly win, uh, also uh, there was this one behind peter pavlov. well, i don't know, it's not a group. you understand , it's a whole large part of society about the western, uh, very liberal well, not only liberal, but this is society that is, it becomes not some kind of party, but a large, large number of people in hungary, unfortunately, viktor orban monopolized power, monopolized influence , that is, from the point of view of the democratic

processes of public discussion, access to information and debates within the country, the czech republic and hungary are not comparable countries for 12 years in power viktor gorban took control of the media space and there are not many independent media left from tv channels - is it rtl because it is a german investment in them, the news is literally there several times a day. that is, it is more of an entertainment tv channel, yes. but nevertheless, they do investigations there, everything else is mostly online media. well, there is a little bit. well , look what kind of media empire viktor orban has and how he is there every day, that's all. this is frankly propaganda. that is, it is not information, that is, it is difficult to know the elections in hungary, so what if we came to it with our hungarian colleagues , it is not only by the way, my opinion was that they were determined before their result was

determined before the election campaign began, that is, if viktor orbán lost, it would be a coincidence . it would be some kind of miracle, you know, because there was no competitor, no normal candidate, no alternative political force, despite the unification of the opposition, it quarreled among itself , no infrastructure for this victory or viktor's loss is torn, so i wouldn't say that , well, hungarian society, of course. it can say it like that , it will sound rude. it is constantly intimidated under this informational pressure from this media machine, it is an urban society that has been intimidated, well, only recently, by migrants, by soros, by brussels, by the war in ukraine, and now, by others, by other seniors, this society is very traumatized, and this is where i started our our conversation with you that this is a society

on whose injuries viktor orbán is playing. it is very dangerous, it is convenient for him, because it is easy for him to find hungarians to mobilize in this way, against which very fmmer such well, i do not know threats like there are 40, imagine hungary in 2018, the majority believed in the existence of the soros plan, according to which hungary should be populated by migrants and the hungarian nation should disappear . that's how it is. it's clear. with these messages of mr. orbán well, the center for countering disinformation about the national security and defense council of ukraine reports that the hungarian media has started a disinformation campaign discrediting the country and the armed forces of ukraine, your brief comment, is this company really being deployed? what is it connected with? is it not from russia

? as they say, the legs are growing, and maybe hungary has its own motives to deploy it now. of russian influence that the russians are so active in hungary and are so present in the media sphere and in other spheres that it is sometimes difficult to distinguish whether the russians are related to this or that company or not so rude manipulation, that is, they take real facts with the ukrainian mobilization there or with the battles there in bakhmut, soledar, and simply these moments are terribly distorted , so uh, that is, there is such a manipulation, but you will understand correctly, again, i do not justify these brutal manipulations - it's normal for such medis, so what's the absurdity , so uh, that's why well, we've known

for a long time, we've been discussing it at the expert level for a long time, what we need to do is to stop somehow conveying what information about ukraine in hungary is, well, at least wrong well, a separate point that this is of course very much in line with russian disinformation, propaganda, and in general russian interests in europe, this is the key problem. thank you, dmytro tuzhanskyi, director of the institute of central european strategy, founder of the ray open ukraine project, thank you for your participation now. we continue our international topic somewhere in the night vs. tomorrow we celebrate, well, we don’t celebrate how to say it correctly and not us, the third anniversary of britain’s exit from the european union took place on the night of january 31 to february 1, 2020, and we will we will talk about this with our next guest, but first let's watch the video material about the consequences of this unexpected at that time britain's exit from

the eu, please 3 on january 1, 2020, thousands of people took to the streets of london to celebrate the exit of great britain from the european union, a referendum on this issue was held back in 2016, but the path to the realization of the will of the british was delayed for 3.5 years, what will happen to the british economy, this question most worried those who followed the unprecedented historical experiment three years after brexit the kingdom's economy is in a frankly bad state, inflation is breaking records, business activity is declining , and various goods disappear from the store once in a while. however, the purity of the experiment was violated by the coronavirus pandemic and russian aggression against ukraine, and it is difficult to say what exactly became the main cause of the economic troubles, and the obvious negative consequence of brexit is centrifugal processes in the middle of britain scotland, where the majority voted against leaving the eu, is increasingly demanding a new

referendum on indefinite independence the situation around northern ireland also remains, a part of the kingdom where the customs rules of the european union continue to apply . prime minister boris johnson, who was perhaps the most loyal supporter of britain's exit from the eu , resigned after a series of scandals. brexit i believe in brexit i know that brexit can bring and is already bringing enormous benefits and opportunities for the country now britain can have proper control over our borders and to freely conclude trade agreements with the economies of the world which are developing the fastest in the eu, british problems are observed with sarcasm, and sometimes even with scorn negotiations on trade agreements with london are as tough as possible. years ago it is more conscious and

sovereign, it has become stronger, we have become convinced that all those gossipers who said that brexit was only the beginning of the collapse of the eu, saying that other countries will also leave, were mistaken says that our democratic model is working and our multilateralism is effective. however, thanks to the brett, britain really fully regained its sovereignty, was the first to approve vaccines against the coronavirus without waiting for the approval of the brussels bureaucracy , introduced stricter migration rules and became more active in the international arena, as evidenced by the support of ukraine, for example thanks to brexit, the kingdom now does not need to agree on sanctions packages against russia and with putin's friend viktor gorban we will now talk about it with our next guest yehor braylyan historian fraternist international columnist greetings good day well, i don't know. have you heard our material serhiy

shynkar thank you for it, did britain really get what it wanted both in this referendum and in this exit that took place exactly three years ago that's why serhii said the pros and cons in the plot that for the sake of the purity of the experiment, he was prevented by the pandemic and the war but nevertheless, should the british be satisfied, or are there really these centrifugal forces in scotland and northern ireland, what was it all about in the plot it is said that the british made this own choice and regarding the strengthening of the centrifugal rubber bands of scotland, that is, they were not always headless, but it is quite convenient for the scottish national party

only to be in power. has strengthened its position in the world yehor is disconnected let 's connect once more let's connect with you because we don't hear half of your answers but what about me well then it seems to me that now differences in approaches, although macron says that yes , those who hoped that this would be the first step to the collapse of the eu as a whole, yes, britain will be the first , that they were wrong, we are united, we are integral, but nevertheless, the position of britain and the european union on some issues is now, well, obviously different even now it seems to me that the reason for this brexid, for me personally, is more uh, well, we understood than then three years ago, and you didn't. i also have an emotional perception of those events based on

the experience of our ukrainian last year . great britain and its premiere during of a large-scale invasion played a colossal leading role, one of the leading roles in providing us with the help we need, and if great britain had not left the european union and remained in its composition, it would not have been able to be such a subject and could not have relied solely on itself in making these decisions, definitely great britain outside the european union can afford their own decisions, their own views on our problems, and i think what can be done for ukraine. faster than a country of the european union, because after all, when you are constantly forced to consult with your partners about the organization in which you are, well, these are additional steps, bureaucratic procedures, and so

on. and we are very grateful to our european partners, but staying in great britain outside the eu and precisely the brexit of a few years ago. it seems to me that for ukraine, ukrainians, it is even such a plus now that yehor has returned to us. do you agree with krestina's position regarding the fact that the exit from brexit is an exit britain from the european union made this aid to britain to ukraine at the right time much faster and more effective, possibly even more in volume than er than it could be if britain remained in the eu, so definitely agrees and this is one of the reasons that britain has become more influential in the world after 2019-20, and we can see this by the greater involvement of the issue of eastern europe and also the strengthening

of aid to the black sea region, then of course britain has supported us since the 14th year, in the 15th year there was the orbital operation - this is the training of the ukrainian military, that is, british instructors trained the ukrainian military in ukraine, ah, but really after, that is, boris johnson was the first world politician who clearly said that russia is a terrorist country, our policy in the 14th year was wrong, so there is such a measure towards russia and now you need to change your selfie. that is, johnson said this back in the 20th year, before the threat of a full-scale invasion and britain itself also reconsidered its relations with ukraine, because i would like

to remind you that boris johnson's visit on february 1 in the 22nd year, he was the first, 26 years before that, only john mayge came to kyiv, also a conservative, and this is also evidenced by mr. and mountains. and regarding the position that brexit could have been the beginning of the collapse of the european union, but it did not, says macron in our material in the plot, is it possible to say that the unity of the european union is preserved 3 years after the withdrawal of great britain, after all, the positions are different on some global valuable things, in particular, regarding the war in ukraine, regarding aid to ukraine, we know the position of hungary and have just discussed

the position of the croatian president, although he is not the head of the country, the head of the country is the prime minister, but he is still the head of the foreign policy direction of croatia . is this unity preserved within the eu ? throughout its history, provided military aid to ukraine after february 24 - this is also a separate training mission, that is, in general, the european union has preserved its unity despite russia's desire to split the european union through propaganda, energy, disinformation. that is, we see what so far of european projects remains relevant for the west as a whole, and here we can jointly consider britain and the european union as the main region for them, and where they seek to strengthen is precisely the inotichen region, because

they have realized the economic and geopolitical threat from china, and therefore for them in all in asia, it is such an important object of attention, but ukraine also unites britain and the european union, so they each support ihor in their own way. well, inside britain itself , you started talking, the connection interrupted our conversation about the probability of scotland's exit from of the united kingdom, and there are movements in northern ireland. i did not know that they conduct their economy there in accordance with the laws and regulations of the european union, and is there still unity within the uk ? transferred powers to places starting from

the end of the 70s of the 20th century, and as a result, we got our parliaments in wales, scotland , northern ireland, scotland, so the situation there is 50 on 50. that is, there is no overwhelming majority that advocated independence and last year it was officially declared by the decision-maker that there will be no referendum and there are no legal reasons for this, at the same time the scottish national party , which is the leader in scotland, says, well, look how bad the conservatives are, they don't allow anything, give us the most powers . that is, this is more political manipulation on the part of the cnp with regard to northern ireland, the problem there is that after leaving the european union , questions arose as to where to mark the border

, that is, ireland remained part of the european union and let's say that the chandelier proposed stricter conditions for the crossing of goods, that is, the european union proposed that, in the economic sense , northern ireland would remain as it was until the 20th year, but then london opposed it. язу thank you for reflecting with us, uh, uh, brexit, uh, great britain and the exit from the european union and the consequences, in particular, for ukraine. about how many prime ministers have already changed in britain, even in the last two years, and the queen gave up her soul to god and in hungary, as victor roman sat for 12 years, he sits and thinks about your problems with your brand. we remind our colleagues that the best thing you can do for your own safety and for our country is to help

our defenders. we invite you to do this. i am iryna koval, mother, wife or the espresso tv channel. and i am also a volunteer. our soldiers at the front need a lot of things every day, and that is why it is part of my life. today - this is helping the armed forces of ukraine, and i am very grateful to my colleagues for supporting me in this, of course, for a tv presenter. the main job is to inform people as disgustingly as possible, as truthfully as possible, now it is mainly information about the war, the war has entered the lives of each of us and we want one victory and we are working towards victory with all our might . what you do with your own