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on many issues, especially on the question of what stage the war is at, what sacrifices and costs from ukrainian society, this requires an adult and frequent conversation. i think that ukrainian society is definitely not mature enough to adequately perceive the situation at the front adequately perceive the mobilization adequately perceive the needs of the army today adequately perceive the sacrifices that this nation continues to make in this war and not to say something it is veiled with euphemisms, pretending that everything is fine, although the situation is not easy, in that difficult situation, important decisions must be made and, once again, to call on people to sacrifice , there will be no victory without this, we will talk about it with andriy kozinchuk, a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine and a military psychologist. i congratulate andriy hello to you too dmytro chakalkin diplomat translator tv presenter and blogger dmytro greets you well good afternoon friends we are now starting i wanted to start with the story we

will show it now this story shows an important topic: how will the situation at the front change? and after arming, we will receive the promised weapons from our partners. well, i want to start with a certain introduction, and i gave you the opportunity to express your positions , your thoughts . well, let's start with mr. andrii. i would like to ask you the following question, mr. andrii . how important is an honest and mature conversation between the authorities and society today, of course, without revealing certain military secrets, certain things that perhaps everyone does not need to know? well, but in general, if we talk about the situation at the front, about the needs of the army and about the sacrifices that the ukrainian society must pay, well, again, without this, there is no way to continue saying some banal general conquered things. although all people perfectly understand what the situation is. how is it correct to convey

that i would like to make such an introduction, please, it is necessarily for those pieces when we play long, if we want to have a cool dialogue of the authorities, hate the word of the governing bodies and society, we need to be honest. well, how are you going to have a serious relationship with someone? you need to clean it up. if it's for one night, you can sculpt everything you want. if we have it, well, honor can be served with different sauces. but it’s still a guarantee, well, lie. it’s not quite okay, even then justifying it by saying that it was a bad thing. privetstovich p dmytro, the question is not for you on this topic. sphere and are very actively working today against ukrainian society through those channels that

are still available to them, the transition to an active ipso on the part of russia , what does this indicate? of revolutions not for a second it just changes for sure eh instruments yes all the time temper-mutant ringtone tournament as they said ancient yes it all changes and we change together everything exactly if before there before 2014 these were the main ones the tools of influence were primarily the russian television e cohorts, these russian television channels that were broadcast and had ratings, well, sometimes more than ukrainian ones, after the 14th year, when broadcasting was banned, they began to actively promote fifth columns here, that is, new e some channels have appeared in the hands of pro-russian

oligarchs and pro-russian structures and new e -telegram channels that are actively being promoted in the information space of ukraine today, there is a very long list of dozens if not hundreds of anonymous telegram channels that they are promoted on hype and on clickbait, the so-called acquires an audience of many thousands, many millions, and, well, at one time, they were er, i forgot to mention. yes , there are such characters as the same shariy and palchevsky, where is my former classmate, er, who was actively promoted here among ukrainians in the ukrainian information space, there were even investigations, journalistic information , and the fact that every conditional political scientist and speaker from this pro-russian cohort, for each and every mention of anatoliy

sharia, just casually mention him there the last name was paid 200 dollars each. and there were such budgets, there were informational ukrainian ones, not only on the tv channel, but also on the platforms , as you know, yes, this is his vyshinsky, so who is i? wait, i mixed up the name of who was arrested, who was found there safes , russian documents, orders, awards well, it is still an open secret that today billions of dollars are allocated for information operations. 15% of the russian federal budget used to be classified, and in this 23rd year it is already 15%, instead of 30%. 30% of the federal russian budget is 10 trillions of russian rubles today, and what part of them is allocated to which information platforms

, telegram channels, and bot farms there, prigozhinska, this or that savushkin firm in st. petersburg, this is only the tip of the iceberg, in fact, not only students and first-year students work there, as was the case with the same er adventurous this er prigornytsky metafarm and which was investigated by the journalists of radio svoboda er actually my institute my almator military institute of foreign languages ​​had a faculty there for decades special propaganda, who used to prepare there for 10 when i studied there, even taught for two years at this infamous faculty , there were 50 people who studied there, i gave five groups. well , the truth is that i taught there not specialized disciplines, profile and arabic language , arabic dialects and yuryk, but one way or another today thousands study at these faculties, this is no longer an institute as it was in our time, it

is in foreign languages, but already at a military university, and at this faculty of information technologies throughout russia, admission is taking place almost like poplavskyi had one at one time. their university says that the admissions committee worked around the clock, there it works all year round. my former classmates sent me photos of the announcements that were in the russian military commissariats that the admissions to the faculties of information technology continues hmm all year round yes, it was possible to join without a break. the main thing is to have some abilities, a professional level, and you are warmly accepted, and more. review the plot that we have prepared and then we will continue our conversation, well, actually, on the topics that we voiced, according to the civil support network, russia is planning an offensive before the arrival of tanks in ukraine, when the latest western equipment will be delivered to ukraine and whether heavy weapons will change the course of

the war, let's see this material is from our correspondents and then we will continue the conversation with our guests of the country for a false in an interview with a british publication by law with told or leave the border on february 23, 2022 , the ukrainian army needs 300 tanks 600-700 bmp and 5 hundred howitzers this week historic decisions took place germany agreed to transfer its leopard tanks to ukraine and also allowed them to be re-examined by partner countries in addition the united states of america promises to transfer its abrams tanks and great britain challenger tanks that heavy weapons can change on the battlefield let's try to understand further, western tanks were a certain

red line that europe and the usa did not want to cross, fearing an escalation of hostilities on the part of the russian federation, however, russia's actions convinced our partners to reconsider their position, according to military expert serhiy zgurets, the tank is an offensive weapon and it is they that will help organize successful military operations in the south of us, first of all, new units have been formed, a significant number of new units that need tanks in particular in order to be combat-ready for the regular schedule and in order to carry out offensive operations in such areas of the front, which are now densely fortified by the enemy , dense in personnel, in particular , if we are talking about the south, about the zaporizhia front, then it is actually to be drunk on such

in the protected areas of the front with only light armored vehicles , it is simply impossible, and the presence of tanks, new infantry fighting vehicles, which we will receive from the united states and germany, is actually a classic prerequisite for conducting such offensive operations. conducting operations and ensuring their success. currently, during the battle, the armed forces of ukraine use soviet tanks, the soldiers say they are lighter, more maneuverable, but their crews protected in the west is more difficult but much safer and has an accurate fire damage soviet tanks have three people in the crew and there is an automatic loading machine that would be easier because the automatic system works when a hit er a hit in a tank causes well, somewhere on the side, somewhere, well, not by, not by the crew causes the ignition of the projectiles of the combat kit, which is placed all over the tank, respectively, the tank flares up like a match

, while the western school allocated a fourth person , well, they are charging and it was before them, but they adhere to this, the fourth person is the charger separate because there is a structure in a protected place and isolated from the tower, crew protection, this is the weapon, listen to what the tankers from the front line say, there is a 98 percent survival rate in battle, even in a narrow battle, well , that’s a lot, let’s go further. let’s say that we have, first of all, perfect protection you are interested in protection when you work against fire and you have time to work and not to run away from screaming, you understand, and these machines

provide passive active protection, so in the near future the ukrainian military will go to germany to learn how to use german weapons, because by the end of march , tanks should be in ukraine, according to serhiy sgorets, active hostilities will begin in two or three months. about 80 dash tables of precipitation and then we are talking about a significant supply related to modernized t-72 tanks because now the czech republic is fulfilling an important contract with the money of the united states of the netherlands and it will be so the very modern modernized tanks which, in addition to these, he wanted to allow to form the indicators that zuluzhni talks about for the next period of the war - this is actually a competition between the defense

industry of europe, the united states and the remnants of the defense industry that is on the territory of the russian federation now on many in parts of the front, we have a line of resistance, only in some places counteroffensive actions continue, so the efforts of foreign partners are aimed at you, the ukrainian army has come up with more innovative methods struggle, and for this we need more modern weapons, and here we cannot do without aviation and long-range systems. if we are not given atakams now, this does not mean that we do not receive aircraft with long-range cruise missiles, which can actually perform the same functions on the battlefield as i do because now, when we are talking about conducting offensive operations on land, e-e, everything is exactly the same , the long-range artillery must work actively and e-e means to destroy the enemy's command posts, which mean the warehouses that are destroyed

personnel and then the tanks go into battle, we understand that we need a wide front and equipment, and the europeans and americans understand this, and now actually their support industry is also trying to get on the military rails and help us as much as possible, and according to the western press, debates have already begun in europe about fighter jets for the armed forces of ukraine internal discussions among the allies initiated by the ukrainian leadership with the support of the baltic countries and whether we will be able to defeat russia this year the war will be long-lasting despite what we hope for the fact that this year will be decisive, in fact, russia also has a significant stockpile of weapons and equipment, even of old models, and according to our estimates, russia has the potential of weapons for at least two years to conduct military operations with this intensity, as they are today, haspresso well thank you khrystyna parubiy thank you. by the way, i will ask serhiy for his comments in this story. let's go back to

the conversation. andrii kozinchuk, dmytro chakalkin is staying with us. andriyu e. you know here is an important important thing, but in this story, we understood that the war can be long if some external factors won't affect it, putin won't die, i don't know, china won't decide to write on the bridge, well, that means a lot can happen, a revolution in russia, i don't know, something can happen, but it might not happen, and most likely it won't happen and this war will be a long one this understanding is already coming to our partners, to the governing bodies, how to talk to people about the fact that the war was going on and that we even have to prepare, otherwise this is no longer the war that was before this mr. andrii, please, even if he is so handsome, he is probably still walking keep putin's head there, everyone will get a break, so, well, the death of a moron, well, it doesn't guarantee the end of the war . but, what to do with people? well, we have a lot of rose-colored glasses, liters and kilograms, it's just the armed forces , the handsome guys are winning, everyone is waiting for victory

until we reach the level what uh, well, you don't have to wait for victory, but you have to do it, create and apply it to create a victory , it's not enough to grab a kalash and run across the fields how inadequate war is, it's a very complex structure where everyone well has his own role as a journalist thank you for your work i i do not know graduating boys who collect scrap metal, that's what's needed. you understand, so that there is no stress for people, we need to realize that currently war is the norm, it's not something like that, and we need to learn to live during the war, er, it's because of the martial law that is now well, everyone takes responsibility for martial law - it's not when the armed forces with constant combat readiness go to some kind of heightened state, it's when all citizens of ukraine go to martial law and this is

the norm, that is, if we are running away from war war you will catch up, well, and again. if you emphasize that war is terrible , lord, well, we won't win like that either . to take part in this war in different roles. then it will be fair. the war lasted not only because we misreported something, but somehow our enemy is wrong , but his enemy is much larger, the economy is higher. well, there is a lot of everything and we have to hold out longer , but if we can do not beat them rose-colored glasses, but to speak pragmatically as it is, it will be much better, you understand, there are two sides, rose-colored glasses and they have done everything we will lose soon there will be

hand tanks in kyiv, but the truth is somewhere in the middle, how will we seize this golden mean, it will be much easier to work and again people in the police, er, and sometimes people are afraid of what is the fear of the fact that there is no information, and when you do not have information, your brain necessarily interprets it, that is, it visualizes and draws what is not really there, and this is bad, so you should not just say information, but also to tell people what should be done, some recommended things. then it will be easier, because if we say and the war is a disaster, then people get just these visualizations of something bad, but if you tell him, guys, relax, there are armed people filming, well, that's a bit too it's not wrong, the more traumatic, well, pneumatic things, the easier

it will be for the citizens of ukraine to get together, well, it's the same story, you understand, there is such a thing, the body is the concept of adaptability, and when you enter the river or like kolya in the sea in thailand, you first it's cold, and then you're such a guy, you're good at brain, there is a concept of neuroplasticity when, for example, everyone fucks you at first, and then you yourself become like that, here it's the same thing and after the war, what do we need to give our brain the opportunity to adapt and for it to become a brain itself he is much cooler than us, he does such cool things in general. and the main thing is not to disturb him. dmytro, i am with you now in this period of the war, which is entering a protracted stage and requires, again, more expenditure of emotions, money, and resources from ukrainian society from the ukrainian people in general, well, and from our partners, but not partners, they give money and equipment, ukrainians give their health and life , actually, well, and also the infrastructure and

their economy, and i want to ask, what is russia pedaling on now, and maybe is already pedaling on what you have anyway or you won't succeed and as they say, russia has always won we have many resources and we will never lose well, there are some things that are supposed to frighten and, er, level any resistance causing apathy in society even before something actually starts, because we don't know what it will start. well , there will be a big offensive, there will be tanks in kyiv , as mr. andriy says. so, in your opinion, what kind of attacks is russia going to make now, and maybe it is already making, and how to resist them? well, in principle, nothing . again, nothing fundamentally new has changed in us, this form was described in the special defense textbook back in soviet times, the only one by the way the only book that was written about this

disgraceful uh-uh, the 7th directorate of propaganda, yes, they sat on the arbatennyh, right there, on the sixth floor, i don't remember the general staff, uh, that's what it was called, enlightenment. this book was written by her , i can't remember the last name now, the former just the chief of the years of the years of perestroika and everything was written there, these main tools and the main directions of how to disarm the enemy’s army and not only the army but also demoralize the entire population, that is, in the first place, there was disinformation to fill as much as possible the information space in the information noise to throw as many as possible some fakes of manipulations so that the truth is drowned and thanks to this disorientation of the society takes place secondary becomes primary primary becomes secondary in third place this is just discrediting the leadership dissolve the leadership today well on the one hand we all have claims goes to the top

leadership of our state, if not to play along with these russian manipulations, then it would be necessary for our top leadership the government should admit its mistakes, and then there would be much more trust, because we now publish all the books in many thousands of editions, and the first month of the war, zelenskyi's speeches, the second month , the fifth, sixth, and seventh have already been flooded. i went to the well yesterday, all the shelves are lined with these volumes of their speeches, and he gave his speech. and where is the sincere recognition of what happened a month and two months before the war ? some kind of paranoia is being inflated, there is no russian offensive and it is not unpredictable, she says that i have better sources of information

between the two. with a smile, he said in fear that i have my own sources, i have my own sources that are more reliable, yes, 10 sources . where is that one? the brain put in that there will be no offensive, that it is still the same, thank god, that we have to wait with vodka and ice cream for the russians at the border, we , well, again, i know , my former comrades wrote to me again, who wrote these shameful speeches to him back in 2000 on who is there in the 20th year, what difference does it make, how will the street be named and what monuments stand on it? the main thing is that it should be well paved, this is exactly what the teachers and professors of the faculty of psychology of lomonosov moscow university wrote those speeches that were directed in this direction. it is important precisely in this concept of hybrid war as a constant war from the latin conference of conscience eh, that is, to blur

identity, if you count how many times during his career, zelenskyi said more than one phrase that we are one people, we talked на одном языке well, it will be enough to understand how influential his factor was, they said without a doubt that it was the 95th quarter that was the main leader of the russian peace of kotovsky for 20 years, the chief satirist of ukraine never once joked, really, there was no political satire against our main enemy putin well, in the end, all the other directions are there for everyone. i have a special issue on my youtube channel and 10 directions of the hybrid war of russia against ukraine where, in principle, they all remain relevant, that is i don't see anything fundamentally new here, it's just that they used to adore zelenskyi himself. yes, and they accused anyone, anyone, anything, but the main thing is not poroshenko. yes, and

russian stars, whom zelenskyi declared here in our country as enemies of the people and persons of grapes. and they earlier, just on the stage of the 95th quarter, that is, they danced in our country, yes, the same rasputin songs by allegrova kirkorov , they are the ones who make it snow for some reason , there were never on the stage of the 95th quarter those who today accuse putin and putin's russia of such like makarevich is there or not the others are there well, i'm not saying what's there well, i'm not saying what's there about pugacheva , there's about other er parishnikovs about other characters wait, i'm sorry, not berishnikov , i myself confused where grebenshchikov is, so er, the main thing is to be frank and with its own people and not give grounds for russian russian propaganda to use precisely this mistrust

and further force i am speaking now in my regular issue dedicated to the israeli experience there just as at one time the holodomoyer there which is sometimes called the most famous in the world a kyivan, yes, she admitted her guilt at one time, although her partners and even her enemies in the opposition did not accuse her directly, but she herself, realizing her responsibility for these two thousand dead israeli soldiers during the doomsday war, resigned and did not refuse run for office in the next elections of the toknesset no longer eh hmm at all occupied any positions in israeli politics because they felt their huge responsibility she trusted them military chief military chief whose israeli special bodies, the so-called agro-agro-grenade commission, investigated