[000:00:00;00] ukraine is ready to start a dialogue on a new security treaty, according to the statement made by the country's ambassador to germany, oleksiy makeev, in an interview with deutsche welle, let's look at the quote from the security guarantee, this is what we thought we received from the budapest memorandum in 1924, but unfortunately, these were not guarantees, but assurances safe and we understood that , unfortunately, russia violated the budapest memorandum and we did not receive full security support from great britain and other nuclear powers, this was a bad signal for everyone countries of the world who have realized that in fact only nuclear weapons can save them from the attack of such an aggressor. that is why we want to start this discussion. oleksiy makeyev, ambassador of ukraine to germany, in touch with you, political scientist dmytro vasiliev and

vasylyu. let 's start with what mr . society like us is high enough, but at a certain stage we noticed that the military-political leadership and various speakers talk less and less about nuclear weapons , sometimes the propagandists somehow break through on this topic, but we already have some serious statements about it we do not hear, although from time to time there are hints and they continue, so i think that the probability has really decreased and to a large extent, including because the americans have found a way to directly tell putin what will happen to him personally if such weapons are

applied even if they are only going to use such weapons, so let's hope that the probability is small and we need to trust the words of our general, who simply do not speak like that, he is not an emotional person , but what do you think if russia is faced with a threat sooner or later, it will obviously be faced with a military defeat in ukraine and according to some irreversible internal processes of internal politics, can this prompt russia to use nuclear weapons or, again, in the issue of the return of crimea, we see how often does russia talk about dmitry medvedev and other officials talking about it, bloggers allude to it? yes, this is a fairly popular maxim about the fact that he closed it. well, there is definitely no fear of nuclear weapons in crimea . well, they said it repeatedly and even said that if, god forbid, something will happen in crimea, and then the immediate response will be simply catastrophic for ukraine, but the explosions are taking place in crimea, uh, cotton, cotton is blooming and something is wrong, well, such a reversal as

promised there is not happening. i think that approximately the same thing will happen, it is necessary to understand that, well, as military experts and people who know everything tell us , one push button by putin is not enough for nuclear weapons to be used, there is a whole protocol of actions and, uh, a number of people who have to do something so that these weapons are prepared for launch and then launched . well, we are talking about tactical weapons, and i think that these people who will be responsible for such a trigger will clearly understand that the war has been lost by russia and what mode putin is falling, but they will have to answer, they also see, by the way, examples of those soldiers who today have already received suspicions from the ukrainian prosecutor general's office for what happened in the dnipro well, how can you be sure that

something will stop them? people also take their children to kindergarten, kiss their wives and go to work. and they launch, lift planes, launch missiles at a residential building in dnipro, where there are at least 40 people, the same at each stage , one of them could say, i will not do this work, the controller does not lift the plane, he does not takes off doesn't load missiles doesn't launch them but nothing stops them from where are you sure that uh they suddenly get scared of the red button i think these people very well uh know what is happening there with various leaders of al-qaeda or other leaders of terrorist states because uh the russian federation is already recognized as a terrorist state. such people who would launch a nuclear bomb were also considered very serious terrorists. i think

that these people understand that their fate will be decided within an hour, and i think that they are are very clearly aware that it's not just that the prosecutor general's office of ukraine will be there, which will start a case and remotely implement some implementations. and it will be, well, the real liquidation of these people. they understand this very well. what is it? first, and secondly, i think that the generals are already preparing for the fact that they will have to take responsibility on themselves to monitor nuclear weapons and , well, actually there will be even in the process of the collapse of russia the future possible collapse of russia, so i think that the generals who are thinking about this and how to ensure the management of these processes, well, in order to then have some kind of deal with western society with america , with nato, they are already thinking about how to ensure this process so that nuclear weapons are not

used, because this is precisely the fuel for their possible security and possibly even monetary rewards in in the context of nuclear disarmament education, i will simply remind our viewers that no country in the history of mankind has done more than ukraine . so on, never threaten each other with nuclear weapons, in particular, we saw how it all ended, and in this regard, i think, including mr. makeev, we held a quote about the fact that ukraine now needs security guarantees that will obviously include some nuclear component well, that is, we have either a union with a nuclear state, or i don’t know what it might look like. i want to ask you about your opinion on such a security treaty in the future, which should include provisions that no country in the world, if it has such

the intentions that the russian federation no longer had, not even the desire but the thoughts to attack us. well, i think that our vice-chancellor makeev , among other things, had in mind the initiative of president zelensky, who initiated the so -called kyiv security compot, the global kyiv agreement er security treaty which was then developed by the commission of er maka raspana and er former secretary of the nato secretary general and this treaty really speaks of the key position that you have already voiced that no country in the world will ever get rid of nuclear weapons, not because there is such a precedent that happened to ukraine with russia, ukraine really refused as a result of the signing of the budapest memorandum and one of the guarantors, russia, to which ukraine transferred these weapons, these missiles, which now have

a non-nuclear charge, are flying back to ukraine x-22 er, that is, ukraine also transferred these missiles to russia, well, this is the best illustration of the fact that there is no need to give up nuclear weapons, but i hope that this kyiv , kyiv global er, security treaty and er, these future treaties that will be conclude the world community will also be a transformer of the organization to transform the organization of poor nations into some new principled new security structure of the world that will ensure the nuclearization of the russian federation. russia with its nuclear weapons , e.e., in one way or another, methods and signed documents, in which russia will also be

interested, i am convinced, because it will have terrible economic situation and it will be necessary to get rid of sanctions, including at the expense of getting rid of these nuclear weapons, well, in regard to precisely finding future indefinite models for ukraine and for europe, in this context , sweden and finland are currently actively working in sweden and finland, which are trying to join nato, because they have reconsidered many threats that they didn't take it so seriously before the full-scale invasion of russia but we see that they are facing problems with the problem more precisely what is the name of the country turkey we know that the minister of foreign affairs of turkey, pancha vasha gluz, said that turkey canceled the tripartite meeting on the resettlement of nato due to the incident in stockholm, where it is politics, an activist burned the koran, and now the process of resolving collective issues between sweden and turkey has actually stopped. what do you think? prospects for resolving this conflict well

, in your opinion, will sweden and finland join in the end donato i am convinced that it is a matter of time for these two scandinavian countries to join nato very clearly about the fact that in finland, sweden is practically already a member of this euro-atlantic organization. it is a matter of time when they will sign the documents and become full members. it is obvious that further work is being carried out with turkish partners. we understand that an extremely serious company, the election company of president erdogan to move on to a third term and, well, this is such a big and political process inside turkey and a big geopolitical process , including that we understand that there is a very strong the ears of the russian federation are sticking out, that is the radical politician who committed such

an act of burning the koran, he was once a freelancer of the russian federation, well, there is a suspicion that he is seriously financed by the russian federation , well, it is obvious that it is profitable for the russian federation that there was such a scandal in order for turkey with whom they conduct constant negotiations. we recently even heard a very strange phrase from president radian that he has a certain level of trust in president putin. a special political-technological operation that led to turkey's reaction. and by the way, when did it happen? they already started to discuss what turkey will probably react , let's say that this is just a sign of the radicalism of these scandinavian countries, which , well, cannot be members of the euro-atlantic community. but i think that they have a much bigger question about sweden. i think that

they are much better. the turks will calm down much more quickly that by the end of the day they will soon become members of the euro-atlantic community, but later stockholm will also join of this euro-atlantic alliance, they are saying in europe that behind this act of burning the koran, russian ears are sticking out as usual. because the person who burned it worked for the russian propaganda channels, their foreign representations, and here erdogan is talking about some kind of trust, er, that is erdogan, this is another attempt to play ahead eastern wisdom can be called cunning well, i think i see here two components, er, even three components, and the first is what is going on, as we have already discussed with you , the internal political processes, the editor is trying to reorganize on the third term e presidential term e-e is the first

and he needs enough arguments in order to somehow e-e in well actualize the turkish society around him and around the fact that he is the right president of turkey , the second component is that erdogan has enough there of the geopolitical game with its and euro-atlantic partners with european partners moroccan partners in order to ask some difficult questions and find more and more preference in these alliances for turkey and for himself in particular. well, training is a component. he plays a sufficiently subtle and complex game with putin and the russian federation in order to take as much as possible, including preferences both for himself and for turkey, especially when we talk about energy carriers other e-e trade trade opportunities for turkey in this balance of sales and

purchases with the russian federation . military medics and initially, because it is a large-scale invasion, animals help teachers and psychologists in working with injured soldiers of the armed forces of ukraine, temporarily displaced persons and those who survived capture and evacuation. currently, doctors are developing new methods of using dogs for emotional support olena shershnyova psychologist olena good morning from the point of view of psychology, how does this animal therapy work, it can be called that because, er, i personally know people, my acquaintances, who are extremely skeptical about it and they say that she is a fool who does not solve any problems and came up with it in order to make money on such know-how from the point of view of psychology, to what extent such a position, such

a view corresponds to reality , only pet therapy should be effective - it is not only improving the mood from communication with furry friends, this is a real solution to such problems as depression , autistic disorders, even schizophrenia. and what is most relevant now is ptsr, that is, communication with animals. it can really promote relaxation, promote calming, improve communication skills skills, which is again relevant for the same ptsr and even to change the hormonal level because when we communicate with animals and we have no contraindications to this , the level of joy hormones increases from contraindications , i understand allergies or fear because when a person experiences fear, of course there are some positive i don't have to talk about the effects, but in the end, pet therapy

is really extremely effective. that is, it gives emotions to people who need some positive emotions, it gives comfort, relaxation, well, it improves the emotional state and, as i said, even specific disorders, psychological disorders can be improved and even cured, but i correctly understand that separate from some other therapeutic methods, it does not give such an effect, that is, a person who has serious psychological problems . it seems to me that way, i am not a psychologist, subjectively, it is unlikely that it can to heal by stroking a dog, you know, of course, it works in a complex therapy , pe-therapy, maybe even drug therapy, of course, is better, but if a person with a depressive disorder or an essay exam

gets a pet, step by step she really can get on the path to healing because actually how is treatment for ptsd a person trying to calm down, it happens best in therapeutic groups , so calm down, learn to live in a normal life again, communicate normally, be here and now, and the animal and the context with the animal really contribute to all of this, ideally if of course a therapeutic complex will be applied, but even the use of pet therapy will be extremely useful , and this probably explains the amount of livestock directly in the trenches at our positions fighters, where not only cats, dogs, but also foxes and wolves come . i have even seen what our soldiers teach where they are kittens and where they really rise

on their own. protect people who know how to take care, because really, even on the front lines, our soldiers take care of animals as well, but if a person can’t, well, for some reason, he can’t do hippotherapy or with dogs, but it’s obvious that there is some degree of ptsr. i think that now a lot ukrainians well, the traumatized and those who suffer, what should be done to get out of this state, is it possible to get out of it on your own , or do you need to consult a doctor, if we are talking specifically about the ipod, specifically about the peter, the spectrum of these animals that work with emotional disorders , there is a very large number of them, it is not only horses and dogs, we know about these two species, but there is also therapy, there is also therapy with parrots , in the united states, a whole hospital has even been opened, it is called parrots for veterans, and there parrots

treat exactly veterans with pts, as they treat in a dog can be petted and a parrot can be chatted with again is a communication skill when the parrot appears to be a veteran he starts to take care of her like this he teaches her to talk little by little there with some sound and that's this care this communication because a person asks the server she first of all she can't be here and now she is in her flashbacks, she is in the past in those events that is, you have to get out of your state because you have to feed, clean, go for a walk, you have to pay attention to someone else, yes, and it is important to take care of someone and more it is extremely important to feel that you are useful, you are doing some important thing right now, because veterans know that they did an extremely important thing in the past on

the front line. the therapeutic effect of medotherapy consists of many of these moments, a person needs a person, worries, a person learns to communicate and calms down even with tactile contact, you stand like a bird or a kitten well, if it is not military and without animals now we are talking about the fact that civilians are all traumatized by the war, how do you understand that you need the help of a doctor because we know well, we often do that and we manage to do it, and society now requires a lot to be brave, brave and not to be afraid , but not all of us are the same well, the bells are already very loud this is when physiological changes begin, this is when you have insomnia, it’s horrible, weight change. you lost a lot of weight. now some people even brag a little about why i lost weight, but this is a very bad sign . if you lost weight, then you already have physiological changes. if you have physiological changes

changes, you definitely need to see a doctor, besides, if you have a long time, i mean a month or longer , a depressed mood is observed, anxiety can be said well, the war is now everyone is worried and not everyone should be equal to everyone look at yourself if you are not satisfied with the quality of your life, if you are extremely anxious , if you are depressed all the time. are you in a bad emotional state? situation because it is possible that a few sessions or even some medicinal drug will be able to help you, well, ukrainians and a trip to a psychiatrist. this is still something from the realm of fiction, few people think about it, is it possible to help yourself? i want to note that ukraine is now progressive the country is now more progressive and the psychologist ceases to be something so elite

or a vip or an alien. one thing is that we are here in kyiv, and the youth is another thing. older people in small cities. they are afraid that they will continue to live, life is being destroyed, many people have lost their homes, they can definitely, uh, right now, and the mind will not reach the point that you should go to a psychologist, is it possible to help yourself or not, this is only professional help, i am sure that it is possible, i believe that the task of a psychologist in general is to accompany a person to self-help, that is, a person can pull himself out, he simply guides how to do it, so every person can , thank god, there is enough information on the internet, including gathering information and helping himself, but the main thing is that this is of course her wish. and she can also turn to volunteer psychologists. i also work as a volunteer and many of my colleagues are now working as volunteers and getting free help and

free support is now a reality. and please tell me from your experience of working with people after a full-scale invasion, if you take a specific ptsd, for example, those methods that were developed for the diagnosis and treatment of ptsd, how relevant are they today, that is, this war , will it change the quality of approaches to the study of this issue to his understanding, that is, is there anything in it that is possible that previous generations did not encounter. i think that , unfortunately, it will complement the theoretical base in such a way. and classes, that is, the israeli experience now helps tremendously, because the war in israel is just as long-lasting, and people learn to live with it even in everyday life. and this experience is actually shared

, that is, how to continue living, how to fight the ptsr even before the end of the war, because it is clear that there is an experience when the war is over and people are being treated, but when the war is still going on, when the curds are heard, when the explosions are heard, how to overcome baking with curds, how to continue living during the war , but in a healthy mental state, this is the experience now, colleagues it is shared with us and ukrainian colleagues take over what you said that this war will supplement the understanding and knowledge of a certain base of material and technical under the understanding of the concept of tsn in such a way that it is unique in that we are now experiencing that what distinguishes this experience from the experience of people who have faced wars before, in my personal opinion, is the peculiarity and such a defining feature of this war that people are extremely consolidated now, and even children are collecting funds for the armed forces, drawing pictures for the armed forces, i

do not know such foreign experience in this uniqueness and it is possible that this is, again, collective, this field is some kind of group , again large-scale group therapy, this will be something new that we can add to the psychological experience of working with ptsd, because in working with ptsd , as i have already noted, it is extremely important not individual therapy, namely group work, and now we can say that the whole country works in this group therapy, supports each other and unites, now a lot of russians are exerting informational and psychological pressure on ukraine , on ukrainians, you are, it causes many people , including me partly will start such anxiety, which sometimes comes at a rather unexpected moment, and in someone you already know that it is an acquired feature, that is , you are constantly in a state of anxiety because you are constantly reading the news or being taken somewhere

equipment is being transferred somewhere, soldiers are preparing an offensive somewhere, plus news from the front that there is a meat grinder and so on. and so on , i want to hear something from you that is practically possible, how to fight with this old man, that is, you know , it is probably important not to suppress him in yourself, but precisely how to live with him, how to accept him so that he does not interfere with life, i will add my permission, because i already have friends there who complain that a lump has appeared in the throat, that is, they cannot speak, some tremors have appeared, it is constantly cold, for example, all the symptoms that a person under stress and she can't get out of it, how can we be like that psychosomatic disorders are already a very alarming call that something needs to be changed and what exactly? the first thing is to shift our attention to where the focus of our attention is, and to shift the focus means not to slow down day and night, not to read the news, here is

the terrible news you are talking about, the easiest way is to look at official sources , do it dosed, for example, once or twice a day and the rest of the time to switch focus to those areas where we can be useful where we can do something and influence the situation feeling in control again it's the same volunteering or help some kind of financial military aid or actually our own work that each of us is engaged in it already switches attention and it already helps to bring some real concrete benefit when we read the news, first of all, we do not bring any benefit, secondly, we start to worry and create this anxious mood for ourselves , create these negative emotions for ourselves, which then this leads to physical manifestations from coaches and others, that is why the focus of attention and real work that helps us wants to control the situation in some way, well , bohdan and i won't be able to do anything less than breaking the news, we can only go and pet our

editorial cat duke after the broadcast. i think one of the first what will i do? when ukraine wins, i will subscribe to at least 45 different sources of information of different dubiousness that i have in order to return to a more peaceful course of life if it happens. maybe i hope to do so it's today, do it today, well, i can't do it because of work. well, in general, when i digest a lot of information , i don't seem to know myself, maybe it's illusory, some kind of impression that i'm more in control of the situation, that is, i like to know more in order to better understand what's going on. i know how much it is so far so far it is possible ught how is it going crazy olena thank you very much olena the horned psychologist was in direct contact with us we continue

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