[000:00:00;00] several million more thanks, we continue our broadcast yehor chicherenda khrystyna yaskiv with you on the espresso channel 11:30 a.m. well, in the middle of today , we are getting information about the wave of searches , in particular, they are taking place at ihor kolomoiskyi , the security service of ukraine and the economic security bureau of their e it also became known that searches

may also take place in brovary, in the residence of arsen avakov, the former minister of internal affairs, and also at mr. stoler's , which we will talk about with our next guest and our next guest serhiy forsazh investment banker good day mr. serhiy. congratulations. did you expect to have a decision with which emotions did you meet the information about the searches of mr. kolomoiskyi and arsen borysovich avakov , what do they testify about? i think that the majority of people who look at these photos are confused about kolomoisky's own home , to which they came, that's why i was very pleased to see these photos. therefore, according to the investigators, the case concerns ukrnafta. as far as i understand. what is the matter with ukrnafta? tell us what side

kolomoisky is on. well, kolomoisky and the side that it is a state company, let's say ukrnafta is a state company by 50 + 1%, but it also happened that in the last 20 years, the company was run by the management , which was closely connected with the kolomoi and very often this company carried out operations that did not have any economic logic except to help financially, and this was the case, it was billions of billions of dollars, and which were constantly removed from the company and disappeared somewhere. actually, everyone actually knew about it, er, everyone talked about it. i remember when ivera supermarshchik was the minister of economy , he fought there, introduced auctions, so that less money went to kolomoiskyi , but the money continued to go out and in

fact , this is what this case is about . country of people and who would criticize the sbu now that came to people who raise certain questions yes the court of course everything has to be broken down into molecules and uh give some kind of solution but the moment why is this happening now uh in your opinion zero i can't just like that processes were going because the situation with ukrnafta led to the nationalization of the company and there was clearly displeasure from the president's office because of the things that happened to ukrnafta without this there would be no nationalization, but

another version is that it is ukraine that will pass the eu on friday and on this same day, these raids are being conducted to demonstrate that the european is a european skeptic. and now we see many articles in the western projection that talk about skepticism about the rapid accession of ukraine to the european union in order to show all skeptics that no, really we we are fighting corruption there, look at our used one, they came to kolomoiskyi, they came to some tax officials from kyiv, they all came in one day and in two days, mr. sergey, well , tell us about vadim the carpenter, who is he this is to our

tv viewers . he is considered one of the watchers of the capital, or was this person previously thought to be? financing of terrorism by artem shylo, he is a figure in the bigus-info investigations well, this is information from the mirror, well, look again, from the dollar, a well-known developer in kyiv with to which a lot of the corruption trail is connected. if you can say, because of the constant suspicion that one way or another, the companies connected with the tables received very, very charming plots of land, and in principle, if you look at the construction areas of kyiv, it is very closed in our country despite the fact that before the war there was just construction. but there is no new land-based company that built simply because it is very, very difficult to enter the kyiv market , and it is also very difficult to enter through such people as stoler, and besides, he is also his

pzsh, i remember the thesis of geoleros about the connection between andriy yarmak and vadim stolar, who allegedly may have a joint construction business, well, that is, this is another dimension of this story, well, we have a very multifaceted history of e-e with both searches and, in principle, with ukrainian business which is very multifacetedly connected with ukrainian politics, yes, what is it, arsen avakov, he does not have enough information about the searches at the moment to talk about it as an established fact, but nevertheless, it is supposedly about the purchase of helicopters, if not i'm wrong, well, look, the big one has already confirmed that he was searched , er, that's why he was probably different, sometimes he didn't confirm it. and really, if you remember those rotorcraft that were bought there , there are not very good stories associated with them. we, ukraine , bought those rotorcraft. which were refused by other buyers, first of all norway, and this caused suspicions even at the stage

of purchase, and now after the tragedy that happened in brovary , i think that additional attention was focused on this topic and because of this, these searches arose, i do not regret or misfortune, i do not i think that there will be some problems because of this, there were collegial decisions, so it will be difficult to somehow attract him to this story, and even if there are some signs of the box, well, this one too. vat from the state budget for the possible amount of abuses of uah 30 billion what is the perspective what do you think of this case

? in the city of kyiv, searches are being carried out, the prospects are good, now i have to say it, how am i social, i will meet you tomorrow. here it is 50x50, either i will meet or not, the same way. i do not know anything about this case, and i am not a lawyer in order to talk about certain prospects, but well, i think that the reasons for coming to the kyiv tax authorities were, of course, how common is the phenomenon of abuse of the tax system, especially when returning vat. it seems to me that this topic has been discussed for a long time and should have been resolved , but uah 30 billion is a large enough amount. see, in principle, after the automatic introduction of automatic vat refunds, most of the problems have been closed and business is not suffering as much as it was 7-10 years ago . however, one way or another, the influence of tax officials has probably remained on certain transactions, and should we close our eyes or open the eyes of the very strong, for example, that is why such stories

another interesting story of the continuation of a more accurate story is also related to this one with potential corruption. the office of the prosecutor general reported the suspicion as the deputy director of the department of public procurement of the ministry of defense bohdan khmelnytskyi, as well as ex-deputy minister of defense vyacheslav shapovalov and former deputy of the state enterprise for defense-export volodymyr tereshchenko, this is what the sources of ukrainian truth in the law enforcement agencies say. a long number i'm not even like that it's 107 million 796,000 hryvnias, which is also important regarding the provision of substandard body armor in the amount of 5,700 units of the armed forces. illegal actions, as a result of which individual units of the armed forces were not equipped with personal protective equipment worth more than 1 billion. well, tereshchenko, who is currently the deputy

head of the department of coordination of foreign economic activities of the ministry of defense, was declared guilty of taking over 1 million state funds through abuse and official forgery 340,000 dollars well, in short, there are requests for confirmation of information to the press service of the prosecutor general's office, so far they have not answered the alleged mr. serhiy about what this is a story if we are talking about the trust our international partners have in us in providing the assistance they provide and we want them to continue to provide it. even here it is dirty, surely no one of us had a suspicion that due to the war in ukraine, it has decreased, well no. yes, this does not happen to us entered into a war with a high level of corruption, of course we are in a war with a high level of management, just like during every war, it does not matter whether it is the ukrainian war or some other war in other countries

, the potential always increases for certain corruption transactions, because there is a lot of secrecy in things related to the war, and in fact, the more transparency, the less corruption, on the contrary , there is naturally less transparency here. and of course , there is a potential for corruption transactions, i cannot say anything specifically about all the cases. i do not know about these specific people, nothing, but in fact, we just have to understand that we still have a long way to go to the standards of the european union on fighting corruption, we still have a long way to go to the standards on the rule of law, and we need this path should be followed even in spite of the war and without justifying the war because there will be a great temptation to say that we, the ukrainian heroes , stopped the russian aggression, so let's turn a blind eye to the fact that there is something wrong with us there, and no one will turn a blind eye, this is actually being demonstrated now again, the articles of the european and american press say that there are certain doubts about the european integration of ukraine

, so it is actually natural that such scandals arise, and it is rather positive because it shows that it is a private external the management somehow tries to work yes, and still tries to pull us to the bright side thank you sergey forsazh was with us thank you for your participation investment banker in direct contact with the studio i will give a little information that is reassuring for our tv viewers who is everything what is e-feeling e uncomfortable living conditions due to a shortage of electricity, as of february 1 , electricity consumption in ukraine remains at the level of tuesday, exceeding the limits and applying emergency shutdowns , this message from ukrenergo has not been recorded what is important is that the deficit in general in the power system remains quite significant. but again, we do not exaggerate, we do not overdo what we have , and this makes the situation stable, let

it remain so, well, the only thing i will say is that we are waiting for a cold weather in the near future, well, next week, that is definitely why consumption we will increase our electricity supply, be hm well, we are ready for this, so uh, and also a very important message from the kharkiv region , this morning the enemy fired at the kupyan district. now uh, we will find out the results of this shelling unfortunately, it is still in the very center of kharkiv region well, of course, the border area and the border with the temporarily occupied territories and the contact line are dangerous areas, people continue to be shelled without any specific goal, but this is happening. well, as we already said this morning, the residents of the temporarily occupied melitopol, zaporizhzhia region , a large-scale fire was observed at the base

of the russian occupiers, the location was announced by the mayor of the city, ivan fedorov, quote , thick smoke poured in every part of the lower part of the city behind the central market, in the area of ​​the russian factory captured by the occupiers, where they placed their military base, said fedorov, he added that no explosions were recorded, so they must have fallen asleep with a butt and it caught fire. what do we have here? what do we have here? again, the information is from the dbr and it is a little detailed according to the detection of crimes by the customs in 2022, the state suffered losses of almost uah 400 million, the state bureau of investigation. well, someone would say what maybe not the billions that are currently being discussed in relation to purchases by the ministry of defense, but this also needs

to be cleared. andriy osadchuk is in direct contact with us, a people's deputy, a faction, a vote for the first time , deputy head of the committee on law enforcement activities, mr. andriy, congratulations , good day, see you right away from the subject in your question, here is today's search of stoler vadym, mp, your colleague is already on the second day of the search of arsen borysovich avakov, the unchangeable, well, it turned out that the replacement minister of internal affairs, the first day of search of igor valeriyovych kolomoiskyi in bukovel came to him with searches for various cases, but how can you explain this one? i would say excessive activity. and in the tax department of kyiv today , the head and deputy are also law enforcement officers in the fight against corruption. please, friends , the further we are from you the great war it is all the more clear that internal corruption, the internal enemy is giving us no less losses and i think the president's team

is beginning to realize more and more that something must be done about it, because as they say, better late than never kolomoisky's path in ukrainian politics has had a long journey in the history of the 95th quarter and zelenskyi's presidency was also interesting, but you can see from visits to zelenskyi's office in public. ukrnafta is shrouded in a great darkness of obscurity, but the fact is that there were most likely very significant abuses. i think there is almost no doubt about this, so it is very good that these things are now being investigated from a different angle i think that the president's team understands that the further ukraine is, the more totally dependent it is on western

aid and western cooperation, and as our western allies have repeatedly said even before the great war, and even more so during the great war, it is absolutely unacceptable for the country to allow on the brakes, some special high-profile criminal proceedings, corruption proceedings, because law and order, the rule of law, is what you and i have been fighting for for the last many years, and for the last three years, for sure, i don't know how many hundreds of times your tv channel has aired again, this is the wording of the rule of law, so let's perceive it as a positive trend for the rejection of ukraine's reputation, because on the one hand, we won this one with huge losses in front of our allies . we cannot now allow any destruction or loss of such a reputation in the eyes

of our partners and allies, so let's watch it. well, on the other hand , i'm sorry for the last sentence, we understand that until now there is still no final appointment of the head of the security service of ukraine. in fact, this is bad because we already have more than six months, and what six months have already been eight months , yes. for the special service, and even more so for the special service of a warring country, that's why i think that mr. baby is also trying to show the result, well, actually, the famous one has been showing all these months, but i think it's also related to the fact that there is such a feeling from time to time the verkhovna rada of ukraine will consider the appointment of the head of the security service of ukraine see also related to corruption and also regarding today, the office of the prosecutor

general of ukraine, according to the sources of ukrainian truth , informed the law enforcement agencies of the suspicion that the deputy director of the state procurement department of the ministry of defense khmelnytskyi, as the deputy minister of defense it is about mr. tereshchenko, the ex-deputy of the defense-export state enterprise due to the fact of the seizure of state funds in the amount of more than 1 million dollars . please comment on this, because we see that the situation has a certain development and the ministry of defense is now paying attention to both ours and our partners, and this is fair, but this is in the conditions of war, of course , i would like to avoid this situation, i really do not like the situation, especially because of how it arose, how it developed, and what happened before it emotions and how ambiguous were the publications and discussions that contained manipulative

moments that stirred up a lot of noise around all of this history, well, history, what does it mean around the ministry of defense of ukraine, let's to call a spade a spade. i am sure that 95% of people who took an active part in discussing these issues have a very poor understanding of procurement procedures, how it happens in general, and i think everyone had enough sense to compare prices with silpo, which is a complete manipulation a-a i think that we have gone too far in those rhetorics, because it seems as if we have already won the war, and we have returned to the stable business of things, and everyone competes in that. it is not yet known how much effort we need to spend. and all this noise that is standing, which actually puts the words corruption, embezzlement, together with

the phraseology of the ministry of defense , i think is causing us great harm now. works of the ministry of defense or any other similar departments know what to do with it without the organization of public gas, there are specialized parliamentary committees, there are deputies whom you trust, it is clear that different attitudes to everyone, but every public group and journalists have people with whom you communicate, there is a nabu to whom you can contact directly , and so on. it just seems to me that now we are trying to establish the truth, and this is also absolutely fair, because the weakness of ukrainian institutions is, to put it mildly, not news at all three years before the start of the great war, 2.5 years before the start of the great war , we also told your program hundreds of times that weak

ukrainian institutions weaken the ukrainian state in general. that is, it is not news, but now we have to understand that in our country three basic institutions are actually fighting, this is the sbu, because there are not so many special forces there, actually on the front lines, this is the ministry of internal affairs, the border , which are not directly fighting on the front lines, the national guard and , of course, the ministry of defense, which manages the entire sbu, oh, all the armed forces, all the defense forces, so let me remind you that now in we only have the minister of defense, in general, a qualified manager who works with the following drama. as you know, in connection with the tragic death of the entire leadership in the sbu , as you and i were just talking about, no

manager has been appointed yet. god willing, we will appoint a now we are destroying the ministry of defense in a friendly way, that is why i strongly urged everyone to exercise restraint, so we need to improve the procedures, so we need to deal with the quality of the work of institutions, but in the great war , we should not play into the hands of the enemy, in the last two weeks we have already created an emotion in society that we have a huge state in the service of the ministry of defense of ukraine. as you have already written, many people steal billions. well, so far there is no definitive proof, so we need to figure it out once again. the institution we are talking about depends on its work, your life and the safety of the country will depend on it in the next month, mr. andrii, this is among other topics . yesterday, the day before, the anti-corruption court convicted a former investigator of the prosecutor general's office. he was the deputy head of the department for investigating specially important cases in the economic sector. it was also called the kononenko department. -agranovsky

, which department and the prosecutor's office in general then actually waged a war, and with nabu, it was still during the time of the previous government, his name was dmytro sus , that's what the higher anti-corruption court convicted him up to 9 years in prison with confiscation of property deprived of his class rank, he was an adviser to the senior adviser of justice and for three years limited his er opportunity to hold positions in state authorities how do you evaluate this story and whether it will succeed dmytro sus is a rather odious figure but for sure well, he probably didn't himself lead a certain criminal group as part of the prosecutor general's office, but he was someone there , well, someone was definitely over him, or someone like this will definitely also be punished, the others will not be able

to break this case in the appeal, i'm asking you for a spoonful of honey i don't know whether it will be possible to break the expulsion or not . i'm neither a lawyer nor a party to this case, but it's about the fact that, in fact, the changes in the anti-corruption system, despite all the enormous difficulties, they also go to the anti-corruption court. sometimes it is possible that some mistakes are made, but in general it works very well, and here we must always remind everyone that in the last few years there has been significant progress, if you remember the fifth column somewhere before the beginning of the great war, especially constantly rocked this one, this one advised me that the darmoides didn't do anything there, the darmoides did nothing, the anti -corruption court did nothing, they just sit on big salaries and do nothing, this was a favorite topic of the representatives of the fifth colony, in fact , it's all a huge lie and manipulation because the anti-corruption system

it works. yes, there is a question, not the same as a profile deputy has a question for everyone, but uh, we need to understand the details , but the general trend is very positive , so i just congratulate these results of the anti-corruption court, uh, they are the same show that justice usually takes a long time, and by the way, this is also a big problem for the ukrainian people . we want immediate justice and an immediate clarification of relations. this does not happen in the civilized world. there is competition between the parties, when there are lawyers, there are accusations, it is necessary to understand these details, and sometimes i sat for years , as a rule

. let's just congratulate the work of the anti-source, the world, but your thesis is actually very close to me, in fact, about the fact that not everything is so simple and, well, there is no such wow effect when guilt is proven in one moment and a person sits down for it. the rivalry of the parties. i remember many discussions about our of the judicial system in our country, that it is totally, totally corrupt there, it fences off the scoundrels, and we are used to living in such a society and with such a judicial system . they say well, okay, and what about the prosecutor 's office, well , that is, when the case comes to court

, the competition between lawyers and prosecutors begins. i don't know about the total corruption of the court, but simply not about the improvements of the prosecutor 's corps, and the case that happened in recent days illustrates this problem in a very cool way in my opinion. some er inexperienced or unprofessional people, but kobolev and er , the higher anti-corruption court notes that the accusations against him are not substantiated, here immediately a part of society oh max protects kobolev and a part of society about the sub-slobok cartridges could not do their job properly, judge please, you probably know what a bad joke is playing with us, where our christian ethics, with which we all grew up, on which we rely , everything is already about a miracle, and we always want some kind of miracle, so that someone will come and jump like that

and with one wave of the hand, i don't know the watchful one handles solved problems, it doesn't happen that way. we have a very bad trait of not knowing the details or sometimes not understanding it well, totally blaming everything and everyone in some institution there, all the deputies are criminals , period, all the judges are criminals, all the pros are policemen, criminals well, that's us i've heard this a lot, it's difficult. unfortunately or fortunately , life is very difficult, and to get a court decision, you're absolutely right. i welcome your understanding. but it's even more difficult there. to the city council, there are some cases. we tried to save them, but we saw how, for example, representatives of state authorities or local self-governments go to court and merge the case, and everything

is impossible, it is impossible to do anything if the defendant does nothing to defend himself there , for example, or vice versa, that is, in order to in order for justice to prevail in the state , the entire extensive system of justice bodies, law and order and state institutions must work effectively, not only the prosecutor's office in ukraine , few people understand at all what the prosecutor's office is according to the ukrainian constitution, this is a body of justice - it is a part of justice, and so when we talk about judicial reform of the ineffective work of the prosecutor's office, there is nothing to talk about at all, but the same huge demands go to state authorities and to the system of law enforcement agencies in general , that's why we always repeated this issue it is very difficult and very complex to call everyone bad words is very easy, but think about one simple thing that