[000:00:00;00] uh, they are more powerful, although the british, the british in this situation play a very significant role. am i wrong? of course, great britain has traditionally and historically played the role of weapons. when he worked in new york, he was then the minister of foreign affairs of great britain even before he became the prime minister of those countries , there was his public lecture, then in such a narrower circle we talked or one of the participants in this conversation he then said something like this, which surprised me a little at first, and then i saw several years later how it was all implemented, he then thought about it. and then the brexit process just began and everyone, of course,

criticized the europeans e- well, the same johnson and the british government in general. what are you doing to leave the lipyn union? it’s wrong, it’s bad, and johnson opened it. yes, you know. well, he told me more, as i think, because it was already, after 2014, that is . the war was already going on so long it was not yet for such a large-scale goal as now, he said the following thing: you know, you will see that after great britain will no longer be so connected to this brussels bureaucracy, eh, and added that, which i really dislike, we will have more freedom of hands we will have more opportunities, well, we will act independently without any arena, and this also applies to your conflict with the russian federation. you will see how much easier it will be for us to help you

. this is exactly what happened after that. how did he make me a minister and then it was most clearly manifested precisely during his prime ministership and he continues this line even now. by the way, he is no longer an official, but he continues to work for the benefit of ukraine. here are the meetings he will hold do you hold in washington they are about this and testify because it is taking into account very uh, well, i don't want to uh, use the word fraternal, but the relations between the united kingdom and the united states of america have always been so very very special. i would said very close despite the fact that they did not have such a simple past and actually from whom the united states became independent at the time but nevertheless , you know, the english in the americans listen .

people to themselves, and that is why boris johnson is doing the work of convincing those results, who, for example, still doubt that there is a need to increase aid to ukraine and many other things about which we may not even know, but i am sure that such a real we have johnson here, he is doing his job well and we should be very grateful to him for that. in the meantime, mr. volodymyr, russia does not allow the mission to the temporarily occupied territories of ukraine , the coordinator of the system, denise brown, reported this to the kyiv office of the un constantly sends requests to the russian authorities for a guarantee of safe arrival across the contact line but to no avail, the browser declares that there is no access to the colony with ukrainian captives of volynovka, etc. - and

all is not lost july 29 russian federation let me remind you, i fired artillery at this prison where, among other things, azov fighters were held, captured azov fighters who surrendered , let's hear what dennis brown says, you know, we wanted to send a mission to the deer park, but we failed to get permission and security guarantees from russia to to go there, but it does not mean that all is lost, remember the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, where our specialists from megate are located, and they leave there for three weeks, so it is also possible. mr. volodymyr, you and i have repeatedly talked about the role of the un and about how is the organization of the united nations currently acting or inaction in this er in this russian-ukrainian war we talked about the league of nations, we mentioned this story as the league of nations was changed to the organization of the united

nations it was not for nothing that i mentioned the planned meeting of joseph biden with volodymyr zelenskyi in poland, because, among other things, he has to announce theses on the creation of an international conference dedicated to what is happening in ukraine, well , obviously, regarding the restoration of the ukrainian state by isn't it time to talk about yours? renewal of the un or at least raise the question of the creation of perhaps another international organization that would have greater powers or at least be more effective than the united nations. it seems to me that at this time 25-30 years ago and until now we we observe the helplessness of the organization at least in the political plane. if we talk about the un in ukraine today, well, if in the humanitarian

sphere, this function is not even more or less fulfilled, we know about the participation and role of the un or individual of the un and the same azovstal story is well-known, we know about the humanitarian aid to the country that is provided, this is a fact, we know about the same grain agreement. well, he is the mediator there. i think that everything was done without him, but thank god that there is such an organization that can at least help us in this, but i did not exaggerate the separation, well, in general , that what is happening, at least in the political sphere, because the issue here is not even only in ukraine to the whole world and unfortunately, we rarely see any concrete positive results from the participation

of even the un peacekeeping forces. well, at the most, if it is possible and it is possible to freeze or unfreeze it in a certain way, or somehow stop the conflict, but one way or another, it all depends on the parties who are leading this conflict, well, in our situation, i don't want to call ukraine a party. ukraine is very much your aggression , but i am generally speaking. a period during which it is necessary to concentrate something there, to prepare some elections and so on. and if we talk about the update, well , as i have repeatedly said, the opinion may not be popular even among many of my colleagues, but i repeat once again that i absolutely do not believe who the fact that it is possible to actually renew it on the spot, it is only possible to create some other organization, as

it happened with the left nation. by the way, and one way or another, we will come to the moment when this war ends, it will end with the defeat of the russian federation and these countries that will win. well, conditionally, the coalition is better, the united states of great britain, poland has understood ukraine, the baltics, many other countries , and it must be prepared by ukrainians and coalitions , they should become the initiator of the creation, if not of a new organization, then of a new system of collective security, at least in europe, but i don’t want to get involved in the whole world it's probably more difficult, at least in europe, something needs to be done. look at the same security organization, the commonwealth in europe or the axis, which does nothing at all. so, when was the last time you heard anything about well, there are revolutionaries some actions of the osce in ukraine, nothing is happening at all, nothing happens on the third, i don’t understand why in general, they exist there in one

wheel hopper, what else can they do now, even already there are no declared ones ? well, if we talk about new york, well, how many you can freely criticize the general system of deception or secrecy of the un, and it is fair and they need to be treated, but at the end of the year , they only implement those decisions that are made at the level of the organization itself, that is , all 193 countries are its members, if there are no such decisions, well, there is a resolution of the general assemblies that condemn russia for its aggression in ukraine, that call on everyone to stop these things, but the decisions are really, especially, they are not binding and, of course, this declaration does not pay any attention to them. by the way , it does not pay any attention to the decisions of the security council, so that we did not speak and thought, there is no need to overestimate the role of the security council, because there are many annual even

security resolutions, well, because, let's say, the arab -israeli conflict or cyprus, and none of them have ever been fully implemented that's why all these conflicts, conflicts, all these problems continue to exist for more than a dozen years, so something must be done, and i believe that after the end of this war of attacks or otherwise. it is clear to everyone, even without direct participation in it, well, except for russia and ukraine, but one way or another, after the end of this war, we will have to think about what to do with this russian federation with all the nuclear weapons that continue to be in the hands of this

country and much, much more and reparations responsibility for military or war crimes and many other issues. and it seems to me that within the framework of the existing system of collective security, we can achieve something more or less like this. well, an option that would suit us completely is very difficult, if not completely impossible, so we have to come up with some other new decisions, new formats, etc. i really hope that the conference , in what format, did not take place around february 24, in this situation, the un will be used as a platform, that is, not with participation, but simply on the platform for of the nation, everyone is waiting for the speeches of the president of ukraine zelenskyi and the presentation of the peace plan or proposals that he has already partially voiced. i think that there will be

other things that will be said publicly then we will see what the reaction of the world community will be and will the world community be able to achieve these decisions within the framework of the organization or approve them or solve all these problems that i have already mentioned well , we must remind our viewers that zelenskyi's peace plan was partially voiced at the meeting of the 19-member group, he took it online participation in this meeting, and at that time the peace proposals of volodymyr zelenskyi were heard, but mr. volodymyr, i would like to return to the nuclear weapons of the russian federation, because this issue is quite urgent. washington is saying that russia is threatening to terminate the nuclear agreement with the united states of america in 2026. actions of this agreement and

deputy minister of foreign affairs of the russian federation serhii ryabkov has already said that a scenario is possible when this agreement , according to which both parties controlled each other's nuclear capabilities, it can be terminated, that is, they are talking about the fact that this treaty, which is called sno-3 , may be signed in 2011, may be in the 10th year, forgive me, and it may be terminated. and this means that the russian nuclear weapons after the 26th year, no one will be able to control this is a typical blackmail of moscow, or can they still dare to do so, well , considering the help provided by the united states of america to ukraine, i am sure that this is blackmail, we have already heard similar statements

from the same person uh, the point is that nuclear weapons, well, this is probably the only such stick that remained in the pocket of the russian leadership, which can scare the whole world or some part of this world, but we know about it, well, at least we guess , no one openly talks about it, but you and i what at one time when those threats to use nuclear weapons against ukraine or in ukraine, eh, they heard quite often the end of summer there, the beginning of autumn last year after that , i think putin was personally warned about the consequences that await him personally eh it will simply be physical destruction not to mention about uh, well, all those russian military bases, uh, in the command center, are they like that, and it was said, so what will it be done to me, without using it in response, i think it will be uh, carried out, of course, with

economic weapons, accordingly, i think that 's great well, the same russian military knows and understands what it is about, and that is why we have recently stopped hearing these threats against ukraine. well, what about the threats against the americans that we will stop any cooperation there after the 26th year it will stop, there are, by the way, a whole series of agreements that control both sides, the americans and the russians, well, today it looks like pure blackmail, let's see what happens next , well, there are still many questions about what state i am actually in you have weapons in the russian federation, they say they heard about the second army of russia in the world, about some hypersonic monsters and missiles that fly all over the world, but they really saw something different. i think that western intelligence knows

much more than we do, and that is why it will be done all in order to stop such audacious intentions, if they are on the part of the russian federation, are still at the stage when they do not threaten anyone and you know the words. i think that we need to look at others, listen not to words, to look at actions and consequences. so far, we have nothing but words skrimlya is not like that, and this applies. by the way, i’m not the only one here. there are many other questions. that’s why i think that we should believe less in everything that the target says. another country that can and does influence the course of the russian-ukrainian war is china, the secretary general of nato, and hanse stoltenberg and the prime minister fumion kishida of japan emphasized during the meeting with concern the growing military cooperation between russia and china, and

if president putin wins in ukraine, it will send a signal that authoritarian regimes can achieve their goals with the help of brute force, this is dangerous, stoltenberg said. the secretary general of nato says that what is happening in europe may happen in east asia, that is , russia's invasion of ukraine caused japan to fear that china may make a similar request to taiwan, and he believes that such a move has a direct impact on its security. how do you, mr. volodymyr, describe the position of china during the current war ? is china simply waiting for one of the parties to gain some advantage, a conditional deal with ukraine or russia, and then adjust its policy

and its attitude towards of this war, which will evolve, which was correctly said, depending on what the results of this war will be, but we must assume that china, no one else, is not interested , for example, in worsening its relations with the same capital states america china very strongly economically dependent, eh, less on the countries of western europe than the eu, but also very much and much more on the united states , how will the number of students of the independent response from china be, and in this way, if we put it on the vagina, eh, let's say china's relations on the one hand the western world, on the other hand, from the russian federation, it will become clear to everyone that it is more important for china, and that is why it seems to me that it will continue to balance

china in this way. a great power that can afford it in china is in no hurry, but here there is one more thing that china is suffering from the war well, no less even than those western countries that imposed sanctions on russia and from this they receive losses from trade from a decrease in the volume of oil, too, the bank well, it is not barvy, but the price ceiling is the same precisely with the supply of e-e gas there, some metals to coal and so on in china, well, this is a slightly outdated figure, i heard it. did i see it somewhere a few months ago at the end of the summer, but wishing that as an indirect consequence of the war, well, as a result of changes in prices there some

breaks some tablets trade china lost more than 100 billion dollars. well, for china, of course, this is not some crazy number, but it is still a very large amount of money, and therefore china is absolutely not interested in this war being prolonged indefinitely, and thus, i think that its position will exist not only depending on the situation at the front, but still also on how much well, how quickly the moment will come when china will already begin to feel the results of this war directly, and china, well, in addition to general trade and in the western world, it are very dependent, for example, on the supply of food, and therefore let's see, taking into account that ukraine is one of the world's largest exporters, it remains so even during the war, it is the very food of the same

grain and many, many other things. china is absolutely interested in the fact that these things do not grow so that he receives less from ukraine directly in such goods, and in general, he is able to buy less food because the prices for it are constantly rising. so, i think this will also affect to china's position, and for us the main thing is that we can and have the right to be dissatisfied . well, the lack of my support from china, but the fact that china constantly, well, as i use the bible, repeats, uh, that he, uh, undeniably stands in the position of unconditional support of the detailed integrity of the independence of the ukrainian state, this is important because china never gives up, well, it doesn't mince words, if it says

it or repeats it regularly, it means that this is an iron-and-concrete position of the chinese state, so uh, i think that uh- well, at least it is our position at the current stage should suit us well, as far as direct support is concerned, it is unlikely that we will wait for mine, but well, at least that way, and by the way, the same thing, well , i would call it china's hidden support for the regime of sanctions against russia that is, some things, that is, china, for example, refused to buy the rest of some russian austria there, it is also participation in sanctions in the male regime or laws for some state banks e-e and companies e-e to conduct financial operations e-e or with russian banks or supplies

, for example, to the same electronic chips though one way or another, they get to russia, but these are indirect supplies, this is not direct trade, so china does its work quietly, but it does. by the way, so does israel. by the way , about one more country, i wanted to ask you, mr. vladimir, about turkey at the end of our program because today er-e radjetny paradogan announced that turkey er -e will never give er-e consent to sweden's accession to nato, ankara will not approve this country's application to join the alliance, this is what he said at the congress of his party, we know that vudgana shortly presidential elections, it is clear that he should demonstrate firmness, in particular, regarding what is happening in sweden and those people who fled from turkey through the border to sweden and the fact that they burned the koran there. in your opinion, this position

of erdoğan, to what extent can it be so unchanged because every time we look at how turkey opposes sweden's accession to nato, every time we draw analogies or how countries will make decisions in the future about our joining nato , you know eastern recitation - we put it very thinly i would say so the first never will never go a second time, er, such a position. well, we need to consider the topic. they have already told us that dynamo has presidential elections. it seems that it will be may of this year before that. he needs this kind of consolidation, er, inside the country for his own neck, and that's why he will continue to do it . these are different statements, uh, and as they say, it

is to have a bar. well, after the elections, everything can change. i think that it will change because , as a matter of fact, well, we are saying that turkey's position is within nato and there is a principle of consensus - it is within nato and in fact against the person who opposes it will not go automatically. but after the elections, the negotiation process will not continue until the elections. it should eventually lead to finding some solutions. unfortunately, in this example is the case in turkey and the burning of the koran, er, for which, by the way, in which you can also understand er, there is a russian sleeve, certain er leaves . this does not surprise anyone at all. but nevertheless, he threw up this case. as they say arguments and thus sweden suffered from this and so

the last manifestation, but one way or another , it was not all , there would have been some other reasons found, he would stick to sports. thank you, mr. volodymyr. thank you, mr. volodymyr. we must put an end to our program. around the russian-ukrainian war, friends , let's put an end to our conversation , we will meet with you tomorrow at 1:00 p.m. i wish everyone good health, goodbye, cinema, television, sport , music, education, free people have a choice, choose what do you want to join the community with a ukrainian view of the world on megogo, become a sponsor of the espresso youtube channel, and this is access to

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