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, join the community with a ukrainian perspective become a sponsor of the espresso youtube channel. this is access to exclusive content, personal thanks, fixed comments, special icons and the possibility of personal communication with the espresso team, click sponsor and become part of the community with a ukrainian perspective . congratulations, this is freedom. suspicions swept through ukraine, for example, during the search of a tax official, a wish list was found for, among other things, a sable fur coat , which is behind the wave of these searches and resignations the desire to cleanse the government of corrupt people or just a demonstration of such intentions, the sbu and the bureau of economic security visited ihor kolomoiskyi or drank coffee, it is not

known, but the searches were carried out , what were they looking for? for what and most importantly , did minister reznikov know about possible corruption in his department about this today freedom life life is a supermarket, take what you want, but the cash register is in front this thesis during his interview edition of mirrors-edition mirror of the week ihor kolomoisky announced that in the distant 2005 and since then, clouds had just gathered over the businessman and he was immediately reminded of this statement, did kolomoisky go to his cash register? well, today is another reason to mention the cash register of the security service of ukraine and the bureau of economic security forces searched the house of an oligarch in dnipro . kolomiyskyi, by the way, does not consider himself an oligarch , the search is related to the investigation of alleged frauds surrounding ukrnafta, the largest

oil-producing company in ukraine and ukrtatnafty is the largest oil refining company. ihor kolomoiskyi was a co-owner of both companies, but in november 2022 they were nationalized. the sbu reported that the investigation revealed large-scale embezzlement schemes of forty billion hryvnias by the former management of these companies. currently , 10 episodes of criminal activity are documented as part of criminal proceedings, in particular, the removal of large batches of petroleum products on affiliated companies, tax evasion by them , creation of bad debts of oil refining and oil production plants which led to the devaluation and decrease in the value of their assets , according to the investigation, such criminal activity was actually carried out in the interests of the company's beneficiaries. zelensky deprived kolomoisky of ukrainian citizenship , probably a formal reason for

kolomoisky's citizenship of another country, even though you are officially the president - it is not confirmed here, by the way, it makes sense to mention another author's statement of kolomoiskyi when journalist serhiy andrushko asked the oligarch if he did not consider it a violation of the law to have citizenship of three countries: ukraine , israel, and cyprus at once, to which kolomoiskyi replied that the constitution of ukraine only prohibits dual citizenship, not triple you can say israeli ekiparsky yes and how much does this correspond to the way that dual citizenship is prohibited and if you have the right to practice it is prohibited this is a video from the radio archives freedom, but what can they do? how has it changed during a year of full-scale war? this is what we are going to talk about now

. volodymyr fesenko, a political scientist, joins the broadcast . we are greetings. many people came to drink coffee with him at the same time, but if no jokes, how can this story end from your point of view? what are the scenarios in general : arrest, arrest in ukraine, extradition to the usa, or is there a third or fourth option possible? the third or fourth, because in our political and media practice, searches are a formal procedural action, but which does not end with concrete, uh, immediate legal results, rather, it is an informational and political event, but i heard - i read it today. only half an hour and no things were seized, and as far as is known from our practice, searches are reported publicly

when necessary for the mass media. not for legal procedural actions, but for the mass media. i think that searches are accepted in our in practice, and public searches reported by the mass media, this is a quarrel between the political forces of society, i would say it is so black, it is a certain sign of toxicity, and the matter is really serious, and the case of ukrnafta and pokratatnafta is that there is abuse. there is no doubt, i remember there were a lot of different journalistic investigations in different years, it was them in 14-15 years, i think that and now there are also reasons to investigate various abuses. the sums are called damages. but why am i not rushing

to conclusions, how will it end for him? well because , unfortunately , our law enforcement agencies and our judicial system do not work very quickly. in the courts for 4 or 5 years oh , so i am cautious about the final assessments , the problem is for ihor valeriyovych - it is obvious and the problem has appeared no, today you mentioned the deprivation of citizenship of ukrnafta and ukrtatnafta and they went under control of the state, by the way, let me remind you of the paradoxical fact that the company ukrnafta actually belongs to the state, the controlling stake of the state, but for almost 20 years, since the days of yushchenko's presidency, this company has been managed and

received profits from it by a minority shareholder like revalevich kolomoisky. these are the paradoxes of ukrainian business and politics . now the situation is changing, that's why there are problems. for valeriyovych's games , we don't know how they will end, but today's search is more of a warning, a warning to kolomoisky. it seems that on the same day there were no searches on the aba and on the table are also a warning, well, according to stolarov, there is already information that it is connected with his cooperation with medvedchuk with money laundering, but you know, i am alarmed that there are three different cases , three different people involved, well, avakov and kolomoiskyi the data are familiar, but the searches about them were carried out almost at the same time, the cases are not related to each other, they are different. well, based on public information, but i think that all three were sent a serious warning

. i think the essence of this warning is that they play within certain rules and do not exceed their ambitions and did not go beyond certain red lines in igor kolomoisky at this time, well, i can't know what was the reason for these searches in kolomoiskyi and avakov. the group that is popularly called in maybach for the future is , well, partly a former associate of ihor valeriyovych . well, in general, such influential er-e majoritarians , some of whom either in business or historically er-e in politics were connected precisely with kolomoisky may have been talking about some influence in the parliament or lobbyists, purely business influence, or maybe some political combinations, and if this caused a certain

concern in the banking sector, well, let's say that it led to such warnings, er, hooks on kolomoisky, many showed him one one of the main ones is the case of ukrnafta and ukrtetnafta, but i'm curious about what you mentioned about the case that exists in the usa, the risks of extradition, so far i don't know, i haven't heard that the americans turned to our authorities with requests for extradition kolomoisky, we see that we all know the hints were not public, but look at me, one more question about kolomoisky , this person once played a very important , possibly key role in the career of volodymyr zelenskyi as president. and do you understand why and against what background their paths diverged this happened already against the background of the war, this story about the deprivation of citizenship or earlier because now it looks like their paths have diverged from the other side , there is a tv channel 1+1 in kolomiyskyi and according to their

information policy, it does not seem that they are critical of the government, so what is the relationship between them? well, here are a few important questions, i will try to briefly answer them on the 1+1 channel. as far as i heard, before the beginning of the great war, the control and information service of the 1+1 tv channel was transferred to the office of the president of ukraine. kolomoiskyi controls the information service of the tv channel, he remains the main shareholder. i understand that , but the channel is no longer controlled by him, or rather, it is possible that it is his formal management, but he does not work in the interests of kolomoiskyi, and this happened even before the war. and i i think it was connected with the law on oligarchs and the situation with the kolomoiskyi around kolomoisky, it began to change long

before the beginning of the great war. to the so-called group of the kolomoisky faction, the servant of the people was also warned at one time and they had to decide who they chose, who was the kolomoiskyi or the president at all. practically all the absolute majority are now absolutely loyal representatives of the presidential team kolomoisky allegedly moved away from the influence on big politics on the team of whom this process began, the cooling of relations, then the divergence began, well, actually already in the first place of the presidency. by the way, the influence of kolomoisky on the career of zelenskyi , as i would say, was a bit of an exaggeration. 1 e-e actively helped volodymyr zelensky, who, by the way, worked on this channel e and was also a leading figure there, so there are such connections here not only

through kolomoisky, but also directly and the tv channel definitely helped zelenskyi, but as far as i know. in the 18th year, at the beginning of 2019, at the first stage of the presidential election campaign, ihor valeriyovych rather bet on yulia volodymyrivna, for him there were all elections in kolomoiskyi, they realized that zelenskyi was the main favorite, that's when they switched to supporting zelenskyi yes , then there were influences and attempts to influence failed , but when it became clear that president zelenskyi would not return privatbank to kolomoisky, that was the first point of divergence, and then there was anti-kolomoisky the banking law in 2020 well, there are still a few problems over which serious disagreements have begun, and now what happened last year. well, there are citizenships with

what was taken away, what was taken under the control of the state by ukrnafta and ukrtetnafta, i think that this is already practically the final political break, uh, ukrainian politics is very changeable, those who were allies from that time can then become enemies, and on the contrary, they said that the search of kolomoiskyi was primarily an informational event, the person who did it obviously wanted to these searches were found out somehow, this is how it turns out, thank you, it is very interesting for you too and in general, this is a real ukrainian tradition, this is not today's event of tradition volodymyr fesenko, political scientist, thank you very much well, as we have already briefly touched on , the law enforcement officers with a morning visit today visited not only ihor kolomoiskyi , the searches also came the ex-head of the ministry of internal affairs, arsen avakov, the case concerns the purchase of french helicopters, searches were conducted at

the property developer and people's deputy from the banned psg , vadym stoler, the investigators are allegedly checking him ties with medvedchuk reports the publication ukrainian pravda. searches also came to the leadership of the tax department of kyiv. after that, the dbr announced that the head of the tax department was kidnapped in multimillion-dollar illegal enrichment schemes, according to operational data, she implemented schemes through her proxies for the artificial overestimation of gross costs by some enterprises conducting business activities without registration of the fop and submission of unreliable information about income, according to expert assessments , more than uah 15 billion entered the shadow circulation, now no names the head of the tax office. but the website of the tax service indicates that the position of head of the main department of the dps in kyiv is occupied by oksana daty , according to the dbr, the lifestyle of the head of the capital's tax office does not correspond to the level of her official income. she has three apartments in kyiv with a total cost of

approximately 1 million dollars, a house near kyiv worth $200,000, two cars worth approximately $150,000. the woman uses expensive jewelry and gold watches during the investigation they also found $158,000 and uah 530,000 in her possession, as well as older years and cars and another very eloquent detail, according to the ukrainian pravda publication, oksana batia revealed her wish list for 2018 and new year's 21, 2018. she dreamed of getting a sable fur coat and a trip to london, and in 2021, an official at the prosecutor's office predicted position as the head of the tax service of the capital and still wanted to rest with her husband in london and the maldives. well, and also earn 1 million dollars. apparently , the head of the tax service wanted to earn this same million in the civil service.

this list of wishes is also searches that have taken place. today we will discuss it on the air. yaroslav zheliznyak, people's deputy of ukraine, deputy chairman of the committee on finance, tax and customs policy , yaroslav. my greetings, yaroslav, do you have a wish list for the new year to celebrate mariupol at your parents' house next year? mariupol is your native hometown . who doesn't know where to celebrate? i don't know what happened to our house. i know that there seems to be a tv left there. well , we were there in march, but i don't know whether everything else is there or not. whether it is now destroyed or not, he definitely destroyed his sister’s house, that is, you don’t dream of a sable fur coat, but you were surprised by a letter from the head of the capital ’s tax office. this is a wish letter, or can it be small? i like a lot of jokes about it, but i'm more concerned about the part that

concerns financial expenses. i don't know , well, that is , i looked at it carefully. it is unrealistic for me and the head of the tsk for economic security to do this with the kyiv tax office, and i have already contacted my colleagues. i think that we will hold a meeting there in the near future. maybe we will even make it specially open so that everyone who wants to participate and find out what happened there that the notes are not the correspondence of the standards of living and my personal opinion. i think that it will happen somewhere and it will happen, that's for sure. she should be released, right, well, once again. she probably hasn't broken any law with a note yet

. it's music, which is very carefully study the history, but for sure it will destroy, well, in principle, any trust in the tax institution, so it should be released. i understand that this will happen already and further. a large sum, but if such data are with the law enforcement officers, i would like to find out. this is for sure, only the system could be the story, it could be that it was not itself involved in this story. 30 billion is about a third. maybe even more than we reimbursed vat for the whole year. well, then it is somehow bigger the problem is than the kyiv tax office or the law enforcement officers

, well, once again , they are probably not the best tax experts, but they left a little of this amount in any case, well, once again, i am no less interested in the way of life. to this institution. as i called it, i have just such a trust. i am interested in what the claim was in essence, and i, as the head of the tsk, have already initiated the review and i think that we will actually probably even do it publicly so that everyone who wants to look at it will understand what is there it was not, no, no one tried to hide anything, let's say so, they discussed the raids on kolomoisky and he said that if these raids became such a public fur coat , for example, the lawyers were hired by the military, he turned to the law enforcement officers and noted that if you do not want some respect for yourself and to my profession, it was not worth distributing these materials of the pre-trial investigation because they relate to private life. and they say that there is a limit to everything , and here and there ukrainian law enforcement officers

have crossed this limit. i understand that this includes this about the list of these wishes, but really, does it make sense to do all this publicly, is it really possible here that someone wants to send some kind of signal to someone ? look, well, once again, i don't want to blame our law enforcement officers, but i'm sure that they definitely send certain signals again, there are photos from private to private, well, let's say it's their choice here, i think that just experienced lawyers and human rights defenders have more. yes, it's in the rules to say it , after all, politicians. well, i see that, unfortunately, even we and facebook are bubbles came in well, okay, but here is the question so that it doesn't happen, you know searches for the sake of searches, if so let's go to kolomoisky, why am i slava

? wait, it's literally just a very important story, about which i'm sure even there you didn't know, but ukrnafta is being exchanged for non-payment of excise duty. and you knew that in the tax office tried to take away their license, and the dbr opened a case against the tax office because they tried to take away the license of ukrnafta, so that it wouldn't happen to him, you know. well, here we are trying to capture kolomoiskyi, and there we are trying to protect him so once again i am very today they are commenting on this story so discreetly, it is the same as at the customs office, they told everyone that they were fired, but the main thing is the people involved who were building all the schemes, he went on sick leave , they didn't fire him, he went on sick leave, he was suspended, there is some disciplinary proceeding - this is mr. cherkasky actually, it is possible, i can continue this topic, because maybe people are not in the context, but today it was really reported that the head of the state customs service, viache demchenko, and his two

deputies, oleksandr shchutskyi and ruslan cherkasskyi and yaroslav's dash says that none of them were fired. no, cherkasskyi was not fired. he went on sick leave. well, how can i give you an insight? there was probably some kind of meeting. is it somehow accepted? i understand that mr. president will make some kind of political decision that the entire leadership believe me, there is definitely something to present to the law enforcement officers and we have a lot of information. well, he is honest when he says the figures of the implementation of the customs plan. well, it's just there . it's a shame to even call them that they should be fired. and mr. demchenko as far as i understand mr. shubsky, who was the first deputy, wrote a statement, and the chief, well, the gray cardinal of customs, who in fact was responsible for the fight against smuggling . for all these customs, for all the schemes of yanukovych, well

, bentley. well, in short, there, believe me. well, there is not much i can say at all ok, about this person, we are also now showing that the department has suddenly become ill as well, and taking advantage of the opportunity, i will just pass it on if i take it once, suddenly this gentleman is looking at mr. cherkaskyi to write a statement about dismissal now - this is the best thing you have because we, within the tsc, will definitely hand over cases to law enforcement agencies for all your schemes starting from 2021 in some state, i don't know how many billions of losses were caused. exactly, don't stay in office and get sick until the next time someone there will cover you, we won't or did i really think that everyone resigned , it turns out that someone went on sick leave? well, if we have already started talking about these resignations in the state customs service, is this somehow related to the fact that at the beginning of january, the sbu

reported that they had allegedly stolen a criminal scheme of embezzlement of funds on the export of ukrainian grain, is this the reason for today's dismissals , are there other reasons besides the embezzlement of funds for the export of grain? well, first of all, they have not yet fully proven it, we examined this grain expert at tsk yesterday for five hours she just continuously spent uh on this topic, customs officers are definitely involved there, not embezzlement, they just helped the black export of grain, caused a huge amount of damage, but honestly, if we have it now , they told me that we had an hour and asked just to continuously list the schemes that are at the customs, then i would not have enough of this one-hour broadcast there, i'm sorry, but the decentralized anarchic corruption that is being rebuilt as follows appointed the head of the regional customs, they gave him what is called

poslingu in such a customs program or , let's say, a plan of unlawful material gain they did whatever they wanted and unfortunately the result of this was that last year we lost 100 billion for the army. because our revenues that we receive from the customs and tax office go to the army. once again, this is exactly the same. when you hear that she wanted 150 million on eggs. yes, did he steal the potatoes on the harrows here? well, this is the same as what they wanted to steal on the eggs. this is probably true, a little bit wrong, the customs office is very closed, in fact, the structure is very closed, few people understand and know what is happening there, but yaroslav, we are on to the last question. so you said such a thesis that there is a fear that this search was not for the sake of searches, but is it not happening? it is just an assumption, is it not? it may be that these the search is taking place just two days before the ukraine-eu summit, well, in order to demonstrate to european partners that

ukraine is fighting corruption, i communicate a lot with our international partners, if it is possible our officials think that they have no alternative access and sources of information and they just look at what goes into facebook with searches, that's enough, let's say unequal treatment of our partners, they know very well the surnames that are responsible for corruption in ukraine, they know very well how to act with this surname and for some reason i it seems that even creating an active stormy activity once again i don't want to offend the law enforcement officers now maybe well they and pravdy did a good job today maybe no we'll see in time but well it's more for the domestic audience definitely not for internationals answer the last question very

briefly very briefly one word what the last name is most often mentioned by western experts and colleagues with whom you communicate when it comes to corruption in ukraine . well, if you remember the last generation of power in the cormorants , inside the coalition, outside the coalition of oligarchs. in this way, one way or another , everything comes down to a few surnames. i don't want to politicize now, i think everyone here has guessed among them - what kind of person are you who manages the law enforcement agencies, well, call yaroslav as your last name, i called it about the tatars on my broadcast if you just didn't want to politicize, but they have the right position, and also an experienced journalist, i

understand what you need but was heard last name, but it is on my broadcast directly in another . yes, the radio said it there, but their point is that he is so old enough to understand that the anti-corruption system should work, and regardless of that, he will be in office tomorrow, i don’t know, ivanov zhylyznyak e tatarov e-e, whoever will be there, you will not have the opportunity to influence the processes, you cannot pick up the phone and call the security agency, as it is now happening with nabu, and that is why nabu exposes , including the deputy ministers for 400,000 , because they do not you can call or it can it will end badly and this is what we have to fight for and not apologize for the likes on facebook for searches if suddenly such places yaroslav zheleznyak people's deputy of ukraine voice of the deputy chairman of the committee on finance , tax and customs policy we talked about

today's searches in the security service of ukraine announced today that the current raids are aimed at fighting the internal enemy , the leader of the faction, the servant of the people , david and arkhamia, spoke more eloquently, commenting on the raids and the release. he said that they say the country will change during the war if someone does not ready for changes, the state itself will come and help them change, and volodymyr zelenskyi in his address yesterday, announcing the next batch of resignations, said that those officials who do not meet the requirements of society should not sit in their chairs , the ukrainian government explains all these searches and dismissals mostly by the fight against corruption but how sincere volodymyr zelenskyi is, in particular, because the oleg