[000:00:00;00] representatives from washington, financial institutions from london were also present at this forum, including it was announced that on february 16 , an online referendum for the sovereignty of five regions will begin, this is kaliningrad, st. petersburg widgets, the same ingredient as the kuban, e.e., siberia and the urals. well, how legal is it? he will be we will talk to you legitimate legal as you like if in next time but in the context of how you know sociology is definitely interesting to conduct so we will be based then for the recognition of independence trans-atlantic discussion on this topic oleg hunda, people's deputy of ukraine, member of the verkhovna rada committee on the organization of state power and attention, of course, to the future of russia, well, this is such a joke. anton and antin and i say goodbye for today and pass

the floor to our colleagues verdict serhiy rudenko glory to ukraine this is a program verdict my name is serhiy rudenko good day and good health to all today, february 2, 344 days of heroic resistance of the ukrainian people to the russian occupiers in kramatorsk at night , the enemy hit a residential building with rockets , it is already known about three dead and eight there may still be two victims under the rubble, search operations are ongoing, the minister of defense of ukraine, oleksia reznikov, said that on the eve of february 24, ukrainian troops expect a full-scale military maneuver from the russian federation , and the secretary of the national security and defense council, oleksii danilov, and the united states of america this friday confirm these expectations can announce the transfer of high-precision long-range projectiles to ukraine , meanwhile, the russian army continues to lose

manpower and equipment in ukraine as of this morning of february, russia has already lost 129,000 30 people in ukraine in the last day alone, the armed forces of ukraine have destroyed 610 orks since the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost in ukraine 3,211 tanks, 6,382 armored fighting vehicles , 2,212 artillery systems, 458 rocket launcher systems , 222 anti-support defense equipment, 293 aircraft 284 helicopters, 564 units of motor vehicles, 18 ships , boats, 796 cruise missiles, 1,951 drones, 211 special vehicles, despite the great loss , the russian occupiers continue to attempt offensive actions in four directions on

to the lyman, bakhmut, avdiiv and novopavlov areas, about the hell in kramatorsk, how he is preparing a new major offensive against ukraine and why lavrov wants more blood, we will talk about this for the next hour on our air, i want to introduce our first guest today - this is oleksiy hetman, a veteran of the russian-ukrainian war, a reserve major of the armed forces of ukraine . sometimes, friends, i want to remind you that we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our social networks, for those who are currently watching us on youtube and facebook, please like this video, subscribe to our social networks, and most importantly, read our news on the espresso tv website, we work for

you 24 hours a day, seven days a week, the most prompt news, news from ukraine and the world, and it has more prompt news about the russian-ukrainian front. read it on our website. yesterday, volodymyr zelenskyi said that the russian army is strengthening offensive actions in the east of ukraine, he says that a certain increase in the offensive actions of the occupiers on the front in the east of our country is being recorded, the situation is becoming even tougher , he said in his daily address, the enemy is trying to gain at least something now to show the alleged presence of some chances in russia on the anniversary of the invasion added the president, in fact , we, friends, have witnessed the fact that over the last week, ukrainian high-ranking officials have been talking about the fact that russia is preparing for

a large-scale offensive on the eve of the anniversary the beginning of the great war of russia against ukraine, that is, on the eve of february 24, and of course we pay attention to all these warnings, including the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense of ukraine, headed by general kyril budanov, but i am told what is on the line we have the first guest oleksiy hetman , a veteran of the russian-ukrainian war , major of the reserve of the armed forces of ukraine, oleksiy , good day, good health to you, and thank you for joining our broadcast. good day, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes. so, major, give let's start with the warnings that are being sounded now, well, practically from the entire top military and political leadership of the state, reznikov, zelenskyi, budanov, danylo, they say that russia is preparing for a large-scale new large-scale

offensive, and this is related to february 24 or the end of february, we know that the russians they very much support this symbolism by any dates to start something or finish something by some dates uh-uh russia is always predicted in this in that what it does according to your how can events unfold in ukraine and around ukraine is already at the end of february. well, you know, i wouldn't wait for the end of february because, well, here's fresh information. this morning, there was a message , an initiatory message from donetsk region, that there people were communicating with local people who were forced to stay there, but they are on our side. they communicated in some way with servicemen, either the russian army or those of these quasi-republics, and there is information that they have already received an order to e.e. release

the factory and e.e. to capture zaporizhzhia , or rather, from their point of view, to release it by march 1 therefore, most likely, it will start a little earlier, but it can be considered that it has already begun , that is, the aggravation that is happening now on these arcs bakhmut avdiivka maryinka oligarch, this can be considered the beginning of this offensive, they will only strengthen it , worry about the process, the research institute has already said of the war, who admitted his mistake, that the peak had already passed, that it was still ahead , and we understand that their equipment will not look like what they gathered there, built a battle turtle somewhere or something like men then they start such actions, they will be like they are now, er, artillery shelling, small groups, and this one they appreciated, they will just constantly kiss kiss, so i

think that when we consider these actions in february, when after the victory we will write the history of this war, then it can be assumed that most likely this offensive began first , after all, it was the first time people this year, but it looked exactly like this. the main directorate of intelligence reports that putin ordered the capture of donetsk region and luhansk region by march, is it true such reports that putin ordered the seizure of donetsk region and luhansk region until may, then it was until july, until june, until russia day, well, there were many such reports during the last year, the representative of the gur of the ministry of defense of ukraine, andriy chernyak , says that the occupiers are preparing for a new attempt at a massive offensive and seizure of the east of the country, he added that the russian federation does not have sufficient forces and means to launch

a massive offensive against ukraine and belarus in the coming weeks. it is clear that practically all military experts agree that the east and the south will be the main blow of this large-scale offensive, and practically everyone , with the exception of oleksiy danilov, says that a new offensive by the russians from belarus is impossible or possible, mr. major, the situation when from belarus, they will simply shell the territory of the ukrainian state, and this will also take a lot of the forces and resources of the ukrainian army, well, in fact, they will not physically enter the territory of ukraine , as much as the ukrainian-belarusian border the minefield will be fired upon by iskanders there or from 300 out of 400. yes, it is quite possible. well, we already know that they attracted approximately 300-26 thousand

servicemen newly mobilized for the war in ukraine, of which no more than half can be used directly on the front line. well, at most 200 000 e this is more than half, but the maximum such figure is now reported that they want to mobilize up to 1 million people, i.e. another 200,000 , i.e. they will use it as they worked under bakhmut a large number of people are poorly armed, but there is a large number, and therefore they will go wave after wave and in this way try to advance somewhere, it can be said that this brings them a certain result, because they had to leave the solidarity and let them be the number of people who died. well, according to our from our point of view, this is simply unacceptable to do, but the russian federation has other views on these events, therefore, most likely , there will be an offensive at the expense of a large number of people, they cannot arm these people

with the appropriate amount of heavy equipment because there is no they don't have as much stock of such equipment as there is power to- well, come on. so it can produce 900 units of heavy equipment per year. the industrial complex of the military-industrial complex of the russian federation is approximately 350 o 450 tanks 450 b4 dpmp to arm all these people according to their already staff disintegration, it is necessary to work for 20 years of their industry in warehouses , there are more than 10,000 tanks, but no more than 3,000 can be brought into order, so it is still catastrophically insufficient to provide these people with freshly mobilized heavy equipment, so it can be assumed that these will be light infantry units , which will, at the expense of uh, well , because of heavy losses , try to sneak up on belarus. they will most likely not do air bases only, they will not attack by land

. well, it is impossible to pass through these cities. we have built a very good defense there, but provocation, especially air, is not provocation, they will 100% do it, and s300 s400t and uh, this scander which they most likely brought in. it can be assumed that this will be a missile attack and that this is the territory of belarus, and what else is possible, they can do certain provocations on the border with poland and lithuania. that is why the first approach to the division of the united states , the so-called big red unit, entered poland it is difficult to calculate exactly how many people came, but this division has 20,000 people and 800 pieces of equipment. to belarus, the whole war and already earlier, putin can say that you see, this is almost a european world war, and he is very eager to explain, to continue to explain to his population, why they can’t achieve anything, carry everything yours and yours, that’s why such

things are possible and one more thing on which part of the front they can attack, they are constantly moving here , we must give credit to them, they did not learn to move their troops and equipment along our borders before the shuttle bus, so where exactly will it be next , we said we definitely cannot, but we have options we are all considering, we can definitely say that it is unlikely to be a full-scale offensive over the whole of more than a thousand kilometers, they simply will not be enough. for this resource, it will be one or two sections, rather than two against within 50 to 100 km. well, it just might be this second ugleder avdiivka bakhmut is something like this. well, there are about 100 km , conventionally speaking, kilometers, what else can they do to concentrate a large number of artillerymen , a large number of manpower and that equipment , they still have one more to do such and such

mood, it could be lugansk once again, we don't know exactly where it could come from, but at least a few days before the start of our development work and not only aerodevelopment space development, we still have scouts who will give us information well , we, we, we are in a panic, as they say we will not be caught. that is, we will be ready. where we are ready now, but they will constantly make attacks in small groups on all sides of the front in order to stretch our defenses and prevent us from concentrating in the city where they will deliver the main blow. well, that's how it is. it will look like for another 20 seconds, literally, it is unlikely that they will adjust it to february 24. i think that they will do it earlier . especially since all the information that they already have an order to release and capture zaporizhzhia and vugledar by march 1, that is, most likely by 24 well, people are short months in 4 days, they are not skilled, so i think that they either start early or have already started, but they look like this now, mr. major, you have already mentioned bakhmut, the camera crew

of the espresso tv channel visited there and saw how they live there are thousands of peaceful residential people. do they remain around the city and part of the city? let's see what the espresso journalists saw in bakhmut and then we will continue our conversation. less than 120 km bakhmut today is completely controlled by the armed forces of ukraine, but the shooting here does not stop even for a minute , this is actually the situation in bakhmut because

they are constantly shelling the distance day and night. a nightmare, they got here, there is no life in bakhmut in the city, there is no communication, light, heating, water and gas, any infrastructure or self-governing bodies, you can only survive here because of the cold, you just froze yourself in the apartment. nobody looked after him, nobody even knew, the neighbors came and said there is a corpse lying there, you can get any help at the humanitarian headquarters and invincibility points, only here you can feel safe, warm and cozy, we have warmth, so you came in. yes, uh , so we have wi-fi, starline, people can see and chat with relatives to about 100 people like this 17-year-old boy come to each point of indomitability every day. and why don't you leave yet

, and there are no acquaintances to go to them, you live here alone, the family, me, my mother, and my grandmother are here in tamgorod, yes, part of it is further there, the river passes for a long time now i am shelling the whole city , it is divided by the bakhmutivka river, we did not manage to pass to the east of it, we did not manage to pass to the east of it, more honest people live there, they obeyed , there are houses, children. there is across the dam, well, it is on the wasteland, you can see it from all sides, the sniper works there, everything you want in bakhmut, according to various estimates , it remains from five to eight thousand civilians to convince them to leave the city, it is very difficult

here , it is very dangerous. and for what and with what? well, maybe in the meantime she flew in and the guys are all leaving . well, that is, and there is nothing to protect. vladislav , a volunteer of the angels of salvation charity fund , almost every day, he and his team risk their lives to bring humanitarian help bakhmut, if we allow you to load a full car with water, we get 300 six-liter bottles of water , then you get a ton of 800 water. people from such cities as bakhmut during the full-scale invasion , the volunteers of the foundation took up to 30,000 civilians, today they are coming to see who or where they brought 13 people, and there was even a higher record of

27 people, living in bakhmut means playing in a terrible lottery where instead of a winning ticket, death awaits anywhere and anytime. while the armed forces of ukraine are attacked by the enemy every day, this terrible lottery does not spread further to other cities artem lagutenko andriy verstyuk tv channels espresso this is how our journalists saw bakhmut in the event of a russian offensive and in the plans that they are making, it is obvious that they will throw all their forces at bakhmut and other cities that are located or in villages that are nearby so that you advise the people who still remain in that's why bahmut, our correspondents said that from five to eight thousand people

are still there, we can't hear you. please , we have some problems with communication. i can hear you . can you hear me, please ? you can understand these people. they may not have earned very well. they bought some things for the building there, well, they bought it for years, as many families do and just leave them. well, they won’t be able to do it . it’s like such a moral disaster for them, on the other hand, even if they have there is nothing the price is that many people may simply not have money to leave, that is, how did the guy say why leave if he has no money, but he left, well , he left where . he arrived in kostyantynivka, what will we consider next, is he standing at the station, or have we reached the station, and he can still put 100 uah in his pocket, if it is, is it good because there is something we understand, now

there is no earnings, and the so-called financial cushion is like a beautiful word, well, all people are people many people we lived and paycheck to paycheck, that is, we didn't put something aside, not everyone left , and the same thing costs 100 hryvnias in their pockets . it stands on the square somewhere near the station in konstantin. there is a bomb shelter there, and it is necessary to organize at the state level the possibility of taking these people to some place already prepared for this, where they can, at least now, spend the night, where they can bring themselves to order and organize. there must be some free food so that they can eat and sleep and come to their senses after this nightmare, what they saw and experienced, and then you already know they will find something to do, i just want to remind you how it was in poland when they indicated help to our refugees, when

this war began, and there was a conversation about whether it was too big or too small , but the people who came to poland began to find work, so these people who came from ukraine worked with poland, paid taxes to the polish treasury more than they spent in two times more than poland spent on them for their help, so these people, people just need to be given the opportunity to come and have a good time, so that they can spend the night , eat, wash, and people will return to work very quickly, i think there are very few people who will be well no matter how much he doesn't want to do it, and of course, some kind of minimal financial assistance, so that there is some money so that, well, i'm sorry, i don't know where to buy candy for a child on the street, or if a person there is a penitent, for example, well, although i didn't pro- it happens where we understand well, for example, i feel sorry for these people and i think that if our troops have to involve this minister, it is quite possible because there will be a very large

amount of weapons and equipment of the russian federation here to hold on to this place as there is no sense in putting our people there, these are the people who are left, they will remain under occupation, and i don't think that will happen. that there will be some kind of communication, care , more precisely, from the side of the occupiers. i think that there will be even more, oleksiy, since you have already spoken about weapons and this topic of weapons, heavy weapons that are waiting at the front is a hot topic in the world media and in all the conversations of world leaders there are words about supporting ukraine with heavy equipment , tanks, leopards and abrams. for the world, but the world is constantly taking half-steps half-steps until first it says no

, we will not provide abrams, then abrams appears in er, part of the leaders of the western world talk about what is needed leopards, we are ready to provide leopards with something, at first it denies it, then something agrees to it, according to you, this is a delay with the transfer of heavy weapons, because we know that the abrams can appear in ukraine at the end of the 23rd, the beginning of the 24th, this is a delay , as far as it is will critically affect the front line and the ability of the russians in the east and south to attack ukrainian positions. well , you know, let's look a little from the side . excuse me, the war is a hybrid now and the information war is political hands. they have a great influence on the outcome of the war, why such a delay

sometimes happens with our allies because russian propaganda works inside all countries and their leadership of the countries of our partners is very oriented towards public opinion, but among society they in germany for a long time prevailed in the number of people who, according to surveys, were against providing weapons to ukraine because it is russian propaganda told about the fact that again you want german tanks to drive through the territory of russia, historical memory and so on and so on , that is, they used more modern technologies to influence people, but still the rest managed to convince that it was all stupid and nothing like that. well, and so on . well, a decision was made. now the same thing happens with airplanes when they analyze the statements of a seemingly indifferent person about what. and our deputies about what he said that they will not be supplied . airplanes well, you know it a little bit, the journalists raised the degree a little bit, well, so that it would be interesting to read them or not the news . i think so because he said no when he was going from one meeting to another and on

the way the journalist asked him if they would to be supplied, uh, they were still like 16 in ukraine, he said on the go, well, it wasn't a press conference , it wasn't an official position, what did he mean, well, maybe that's not how they heard that the circumstances , that is, everyone began to tell that he refused to do anything refused, today there was official information from the united states that they will not object if other countries transfer e-e planes to 16 ukraine. in other words, the same germany , conditionally speaking, it had a license for production, so does the leopard. there are such rules of international arms trade that if one country produces a weapon , well, conditionally speaking, it has a license and transfers it to the second country, then the second extreme should still be transferred to the third country, the first country must agree well, such a chain works, it is by and large correct, it is more or less done by the controlled

arms market in the world, which initially said that germany would not supply tanks if it did not give permission to other countries, precisely the permission they are also the owner of this person's license, then the tanks left germany and permission was granted to other countries to rename them to a whole lot, the americans have already said that they give permission for the transfer of aircraft to ukraine. countries of the world there are more than three thousand such planes and many countries of the world are not against transferring these planes to ukraine. moreover, they are renewing the batch for the most modern summers. there are also f-35s that they want to put in the armed forces. it is very powerful and very successful, well, very successful for us, not so because it can be used as a platform, what is a platform, it can be used as a builder, as a fighter to destroy aerial targets of enemies, including winged missiles, that is, as a means of offering, it can

be used, it can be used as a small a bomber for attacking foreign objects, objects for the accumulation of the enemy, all manpower or equipment that, in particular, he can fight behind radar stations , help, respectively, missiles that fly on electromagnetic radiation and falls directly from the enemy, this will also improve the conditions of our offensive, and most importantly , it can attack surface targets at a distance where our neptune and harpoons do not finish, that is , it can attack russian missile carriers in the black sea. that is, we really need a plane or will it be supplied to us or not , and you know? well, it seems certain that most likely among which we will receive how quickly it will happen. well, here, you know, there are certain certain questions, after all, and they are all they are political, they are not economic, and they are not even military . why was there such a delay? well, this is a question

for our politicians, and let them explain to us what is happening, why and who is slowing down . well, we understand that the russian federation is slowing down in certain ways . about politicians with their movements and who else is slowing us down so that we can understand what is happening inside , well, i hope, let's believe on february 14. after all, we will get some positive movement , there will be a run of these m-16s, although it didn't bother us very much would and uh gray eagle to the dust and reaper beat and apache helicopters that is, well, that's it, the delicacy poor weapons, and yes, yes, yes , which can shoot at 300 km and not only at 100 well, at 150 another glsb db, that is, so heavy abre metro that is, you have to look at the cheat sheet to pronounce a new one, it will be good, we will need these rockets, but come on, let's believe that remember six months ago

, even then, talking about a year ago, well, they even sold about some guns we didn't even dream and we were glad that already to a person and then already his guns and lard and the patriots they were talking about i also never delivered heavy tanks and bradleys, and most of all there will be planes and long-range missiles. unfortunately, why does everything happen like this? our allies and partners need it for a certain time, although we largely do not have it. well, just before our eyes, the rearmament of the ukrainian of the army according to nato standards, that is, in fact, the equipment is now being used. well, the latest equipment, let's translate that we had, and in general , the newest equipment in the world, and this is also good. well, there was information that the head of the office of the president of ukraine andriy yermak and commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine valery zaluzhnyi had a telephone conversation with