[000:00:00;00] influential politicians and leadership in the end of germany, because it did not become, that is, under no circumstances, do not become a party, do not provoke , do not allow blows to be struck, although well, in principle, we understand all this, this is a game, this information war, and uh, we have already passed all these lessons for unfortunately for them, there are still certain red lines that they have drawn for themselves and that they themselves are afraid to cross . they believe that now we were just two weeks ago, the tanks were such a red line today. we crossed it today. the germans explain that in fact it is. everything was it is planned that i have been preparing decisions for so long, uh, we know that this is not so, we know that only thanks to our pressure , thanks to the support of our partners, thanks to the same poles, the british who went ahead and who , together with the americans, in the

end forced germany to do of course, such statements that lavrov would make, they only open the eyes of the germans, and they open the kremlin's maps. what really, and moldova is also a mouse, well, it is a country that is not usually in nato, that's why therefore, there is a threat here in my opinion, it is obvious, it is not possible to hide it in relation to the countries where there are the same lithuanians or latvians, this threat also definitely persists, but they are under an umbrella, and therefore the risk of an attack on them is much higher less, but i say this question, i am psychology, this is a question of internal fears, as they say , this is a question of the fact that the russians. unfortunately for us, they still continue quite successfully to wage this war of intimidation. taras batenko had

a question for you, thank you for your position and the efforts made by the ambassador of ukraine in germany in the past, when it was very possible to break through this restraining german position, the position regarding the provision of military aid to us, we understand that germany, after all, in the provision of military aid, is primarily oriented towards america from the first america, then we but the same position, how long can it last, how long can we be given weapons in principle, given the fact that we are dealing with democracy after all, and there are presidential elections ahead in america after all, which may to complicate the process i mean financial assistance and military-technical assistance, this is the first question and the second question, well, thanks to your rather tough, tough diplomatic style. i think that this was a good message for the russian federation for president putin, who now understood that in addition there are not only people from bandera, but there are also people from melnik, and if you can, comment on what is being written in the press

, er, calling you a potential candidate, don’t put yourself in the position of minister of defense. the support that we have always felt in berlin in recent years, uh, public, social, media. she really helped us, uh, regarding germany's position, well, i'm afraid, uh, that it won't change, at least it definitely won't change, uh, in the near future, with closer hands, maybe even it happened so historically that the germans, after 45 , are afraid to take initiatives, they are afraid to play a leading role, and they themselves already understand that this is wrong, they themselves are starting to talk about what we must, we must after all, we have to climb the wall

er, to lead other states, but for now, unfortunately, er, it must be stated that they are not succeeding, that is, they are all trying, but they lack the courage, so i am afraid that they will continue to break other states, er, first of all, of course, the united states america and therefore and that is why you mentioned the election correctly we we for us the usa is and remains our most important ally and it is obvious not only from the point of view of military aid we see what the political situation is we see the changes in congress that have taken place there are risks of course we we are trying to minimize them. but the germans will not run ahead of their father to hell, they will endure. society has not yet reached this limit when they will say well, yes, we support our

ocean of khorosov, so that he really played the first violin in this to the european euro-athletic orchestra of states regarding military aid or other issues that are fundamentally important to us, this and the creation of a tribunal to convict putin and the leadership of russia for the crime of aggression and for war crimes, this issue of compensation, that is, for many such things that are no less important for us now, more important than weapons, germany, well, she is not in a hurry, she is looking closely, that is, and that is why we are here if we work on it, and what about your second question? well, to be honest , this is the first time i have heard this from you i can't even comment, we have a good minister, alive and active, with whom i have a very good personal contact, literally today we spoke with him and to return from france , i welcomed him with good news about new supplies of weapons, we intend to meet

in the coming days to coordinate our actions regarding the american continent and not only north but also latin america , so that's why i think that this is a question. there is no answer for today. yes, and then. tenure in germany, you really remembered not only the germans , but also the ukrainians with your not always diplomatic statements at first glance, but in fact it gave its result and how they changed their position. in my opinion, there is also your reason, but i have a question for about more than a month, because there was a meeting of the ambassadors, the annual meeting with the state leadership, because you correctly said that to win such a war, both informationally and diplomatically, this is also a very serious task and

the position of our diplomacy not only in europe, but in america, which you mentioned, but african states and the east, in your opinion , did the leadership of the ministry draw conclusions regarding the strengthening of our african and eastern direction after this meeting? thank you, i thank you, too, for your kind words well, really, i am a person who has been in diplomacy for more than 25 years. well, we were taught, as they say, classical methods, but germany was forced to act a little differently, because decisions are made there, unfortunately, unfortunately for us , unfortunately for many others, only under such pressure, sometimes not diplomatic reasons this is, let's say, a completed stage. now it's a little bit there, it's already moving, it's still difficult , but many red lines have already been overcome, so i believe that we will be able to

push the german track much faster than those forward. thank you for your question about the meeting of ambassadors. war, among other things, it also showed us who are friends and who are enemies and who are. well, how is it so fashionable to say neutral with real people, that is, for peace, you know order, everyone is for peace , that is, everyone wants peace, and unfortunately, as the last ones showed months of this russian aggression, well, not everywhere in the world, you said africa, but it is not only africa in this country, there are a lot of such countries, and in those gelatinous americas and in central america, countries that, well , on the one hand, they even vote for our resolutions are important un in order that it to mount the international legal position of ukraine, to prepare for the post-war period, a world order that will be completely different, obviously, but

at the same time, they do nothing to help ukraine support not only military, but even humanitarian steps , even in certain projects which would be important for us to promote these topics on the international arena, so i can tell you from my position that the president and the minister take this very seriously , the minister. as you know dmytro kuleba, he he also made such a small african tour, and it was important. although he was forced to interrupt it because of the events there , now the president has put the same, and we already have a new strategy in africa, which i am also there. well, i will reveal a secret, maybe provides, among other things, despite the fact that we are in a state of war today, despite the fact that the resources, as you know, are significant, they are directed

specifically to the defense sphere. but i believe that new embassies will be opened, that our embassy network will be expanded in africa such solutions of the president have already been agreed and this is very important because investment costs money, that is, any business has its own value, and believe me, as far as i'm concerned, this investment will pay off hundreds of thousands, because by opening one embassy in an african country, latin american ones, which we have never had, which had a maximum of a part-time ambassador, this means that, well, we have a whole series of ambassadors who , say, work there from the territory of south africa, but correspond to the same accredited ones, e.e. namibia, e. well, that's also good, but it's a completely different thing when a person is directly on the spot constantly

talking to the elites from the mass media uh who is noticed there and i hope that uh we will even succeed well maybe during this year i believe everything uh to expand this network in africa, we are currently preparing the same strategy and this is a personal assignment of the president and the minister, of course , regarding those countries that need special attention to latin america, you have all heard the recent statements of individual leaders of these countries , and of course for this something needs to be done latin america didn't actually have all these 30-odd years of our independence , which are only embassies. which we had and still have. well, they performed very often functions of a more representative nature, and that was also important now. we need

to formulate the interest of ukraine, the interest both tactical in terms of help to end the war of aggression and strategic state of the president in that we have no right to afford to be absent there because this niche is filled very quickly by other actors and not only by russians who are active there in russia, we counted on the territory of latin america there are more than 100 different institutions . consulates there, some schedule of difficulties, topics, military missions, we were there almost, almost, to our great regret, we were absent and today we gravitated to him, i was a little late to the studio today because i held negotiations today with colombia, this is the first time there are probably too many decades there with the bahamian islands yesterday there were three and that’s a lot, that is today we are actually starting to rethink all of our

interests what do we really have there because it is a huge region eight for 9% of the global gdp and we actually didn't see it that's why thank you for the question, it's really important today what do i do from morning to evening and our team is small at the ministry of foreign affairs to try to open the doors to these countries that are still available to us well, not that what a mystery, but we are there are missing and it was a big mistake to rethink the world oleg dunda greetings mr. andrii , i would like to thank you first of all for your firm diplomatic official position. to defend the state, but we must also draw conclusions from the 22nd year regarding diplomatic

work, it is about the fact that western governments first of all listen to their societies when society changes its opinion and starts put pressure on the western government from below, you want something, you don’t want something, but it is forced to provide weapons to ukraine little by little , and in this case, i would like to ask you. the example of moscow. this is how western society is influenced by the referendum in the netherlands in 2015. it influenced the decision that they made a decision that was beneficial and not necessary. what do we learn from this? how do we influence leaders? of public opinion in france, how do we work with local regional publications? do we do sociological research and identify those hooks or those buttons that we need

to press on society so that they change their opinion and influence the opinion of macron and other representatives of the governments of western countries? thank you very much for this question, because it is actually a fundamental one. this feeling is what you said. well, you are absolutely right here, because the change in the position of the federal government personally is the chancellor. it happened, i will repeat, only under pressure under by pressure from our side from our side from the side of ukrainian diplomacy of the state leadership under the pressure of the mass media of which we managed to create during well, even before the war, not in the end, a huge coalition of mass media, starting from television, radio, and the press, of course, and expert bloggers who are now

thank god i will tell you, without exaggeration, probably 95 percent of all the leading mass media in germany, on the one hand, they understand us, they and they will support you in saying that the question of weapons should not be raised now on pause, because many of you have heard that they made a decision about leopards and the chancellor of germany declares well, now we can a little bit, now this is already finite for comedy and thank god the media continues to support us in this and only thanks to this plus the pressure from the outside, of course, which is in the end, it was the pressure from the partners that became critical, that is the united states , great britain and france, even poland, obviously, and the pressure from the side

of the political forces. within the current coalition, it is the party of the greens and the party of the liberals, thanks to this it was only possible to move them from their place . therefore, we definitely need to work actively in all states and not only in european states , but also in the whole world, for example, in the gelatinous america is there or in africa, the voice of ukraine is there, of course, but it does not have the power to really influence, that is, there is not this critical mass, which, thank god, we managed to to create thanks to daily personal contacts with journalists, e.e. from the main editions there, key central to regional ones. i traveled all over germany and there is no such small town where i did not meet the editor-in-chief or journalists who write on international topics. there is a city that even

no one heard and doesn't know, the same thing should be done everywhere, because it makes it possible to show everyone that well , we always taught at the university, well , the fourth branch of government is changing. well, i 'll tell you about it. well, even skeptically. was for me before my term in germany, there is something from this that really if you work with this branch of government correctly , it can do miracles, so in principle this experience was critically important for me personally and for many of our colleagues who they watched how it was done in germany, and they are trying to paint over the doors of the editorial offices of the main publications in the same way, so that the topic of ukraine is in the top three. and even better, the topic

of ukraine today in germany is the topic of ukraine. remains the number one topic and this gives us the opportunity because the journalists ask everyone and what will you do? and why are you giving me planes ? of a submarine, well, it takes more than a month or two, or for example, we heard about how much it takes to train pilots on western fighters, but we need to start doing it today, because it is obvious that the war will end , and it will be equally important for you to prevent a new war, for this we need to increase the potential of deterrence, the potential of our armed forces, and this applies to both our ground troops, aviation and navy . therefore, these are the things that need to be explained thanks to the mass media, and we are now starting to turn this tanker in the right

direction for us. so what it's a matter of survival, it's a matter of absolutely you are 100% right. without it, something can be done in democratic countries, and thank god our european allies are countries where the mass media have the influence of some. year oksana savchuk in short, we have to let go of mr. melnyk from the second question and uh, please tell me, the new personnel policy often changes ambassadors, so in the near future we can expect a rotation of who came down who has proven himself well , for example in african countries. were these completely new people who they will go there to the new embassy. thank you for the question. in principle

, we have , unfortunately, a shortage of personnel. in fact, we need to re-create african studies, latin american studies, and well, in fact, the arab direction and the chinese, that is, here is a huge task, which is obvious to me, but i am convinced that if formal decisions are made by the president to open these new embassies in all countries that let's say they are occupying i called it a neutral position and conditionally. well , i think that it will be new people. maybe even young and younger diplomats who get a chance to show themselves all the difficulties conditions, because i say to be absent there, it is more than 50 countries in africa, 33 countries in latin america, that is, it is almost half of the world of good , which we now need to drag to our side because of the base of support to wage this

defensive war it will be, it will not be easy and what did you find time for us despite andrii melnyk , diplomat, deputy minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to germany in 2014-2022, we will slowly summarize our broadcasts, everyone who wants to get the floor, of course, now we are waiting on a one-on-one with oleg senyuk when he was a people's deputy, a topic that we briefly mentioned , but we can also all talk briefly at the end of our program, these searches, these scandals that are happening in domestic politics , which so far, well, at first glance, do not rock the boat, as we were told at the beginning it is a large-scale invasion or they say there can be no internal scandals and there can be no showdowns because in wartime

it is necessary to do without it, sir, you have a word , well, first of all, we must say what we have now the mad need of society, laziness, this is clear. because when one part, a progressive part of our society in the imagination at the front, and the other in official offices, allow themselves to take bribes, then this is clearly society, as they say , it is pulling out of place, but here there are several things that almost all coincided in time well, in fact, behind this is many months of work by law enforcement agencies regarding documentation, this is definitely what i know in many things there was documentation , but the search and the court verdict is a long process i am worried about something else. by the way, when i served in our company, there were two and i demanded

two indicators from subordinates. the first is the amount of compensated damages. when they say that billions were stolen , how much was returned to the budget . two indicators so far for me, the answers to er are doubtful, the next thing is er. it is very important that when conducting a search, society does not have to know everything, because there are human rights, when at six o'clock in the morning they come to and knock on the door, then of course to you, any citizen emphasizes a suspect and not a criminal can be in any situation any excuse me postures and clothes here it is important that we distinguish - by this we differ from russia that human rights are in the first place in us because i will emphasize that a person is not condemned so that it doesn't look like a show in order to distract attention and in conclusion, i am surprised by other

things and i am sure that the kid, having experience, is a combat general who will go further, uh, customs were all suspended for more than a year. they there were miracles at the customs, the tax officials of the city and the state are all in the state, we know why, because there is no such thing. i apologize to them for the moral right and legal petata, who did not know that billions of losses due to vat knew why they endured waiting until today and whether these billions will return to the budget is the same, the civil service, other things, the state cannot live in a state of affairs, there is a clear law that allows three more months of six months to be in the stage. i believe that this will lead to very serious conclusions, that the law enforcement officers

will not stop at this because society demands it and we have a position in front of our international partners, because the fight against corruption. unfortunately, today it is already your place. i believe that the law enforcement officers are capable. why did it coincide in time ? this is emphasized once again. this is a request from society, because it is no longer possible to tolerate. sorry, the hands must be cut off by those who were called for procurement in the army. and many people endured this, waited, laughed and said that this cannot be, it turns out that it can be, why did they wait until now, or did they document it for so long ? well, what do you think about all these detentions, searches, raising suspicions, which for several days we really observed en masse, on the one hand, society is definitely pleased in

the sense that we want to believe that crimes will be exposed and those who are really violators will have a decent punishment for it, and how much this is real in the near future, what do you think about the corruption that has been talked about for so long in ukraine, unfortunately today we received confirmation and i responsibly say that unfortunately, because to be happy and rejoice that today there are facts confirmed corruption in the ministry of defense, this is how one should be, i don't even want to use any bad word in procurement, because this person, the deputy minister of defense, coordinated purchases, hides about a million dollars in his sofa, this is how one should be, not only to purchase food twice or three times more expensive than even colleagues from the border service do, but then when these facts

were exposed by journalists, they justified these actions and began to transfer eggs, pieces of kilograms, confuse the evidence and so on. and so unfortunately, today, a ukrainian soldier who is on the front line in a trench receives information that at the time when he risks his life, when he sees his brothers nearby wounded and, unfortunately, dead, someone is profiting from the state's money on the help that we receive from the world today, and this is it's shameful, it's humiliating. and for this, it is definitely necessary to be punished. why did it happen right now and not six months ago, not earlier? i am convinced that it is still connected with the arrival of american inspectors who today publicly

the fact that they are ready to accept any information, including from ordinary citizens of ukraine, including military personnel, it became obvious that the facts of corruption cannot be revealed, and the authorities were forced to expose those corrupt people who were talked about for so long in society, it is a great pity, i think that this is an incomplete, non-exclusive list of corrupt persons who were named in the war , who were named in the situation that exists in the country today, but here it is very important not just to conduct searches, not just to release, here it is very important that those who committed corruption crimes have been answered before the law criminally responsible actions must be completed and receive a court verdict and third of course it is very important, understanding the facts that have become available to society today , to make not only personnel conclusions, but to make organizational conclusions, to change the system , first of all, it is necessary to return to the system

prozorro, if it concerns the war, commanders of units who receive low-quality, overpriced goods should be given the opportunity to refuse and report to law enforcement agencies, there is no need to be afraid of to bring corrupt people to light and thus encourage a change in the system itself, or when today we see dismissals and initiation of criminal cases good evening on the bbc broadcast from ukraine live from london i am yevgenia shadlovska and today in the issue of kramatorsk, under fire, local residents are called to leave donetsk region, we will talk with a military commentator on the situation on the eastern front, a former russian officer told the bbc how the russians tortured ukrainian prisoners of war and putin threatens from the west