[000:00:00;00] that there is probably no alternative, but as for the sanctions , this is a matter for the national security and defense council, i am the head of the center for countering disinformation, and i can only say about sanctions against propagandists and disinformers in relation to all those who openly support the enemy in the public sphere who broadcast these narratives of the kremlin that inflame and again the center is not the subject of submitting a list for these sanctions. that is, we can verify we can confirm or refute, we can see if the claims against this or that propagandist really correspond to this or that propagandist, and this is what we do, and in principle

, we constantly publish the dossiers of these propagandists in the telegram channel and on all public heads of the center for countering disinformation at the radio of national security and defense, well, let's, yes, how until the connection appears, i will now quote to you one of the samples of disinformation that is spread among russian and belarusian telegram channels in telegram channels that are actively read in ukraine due to distrust of the official media. unfortunately, the fake ukrainian military is paid with bonds . belarusian and russian channels reported on everything, but this fake information got into the ukrainian segment of the telegram, and in the posts, an alleged photo of even a certificate was attached. for monetary compensation, they say that there is a lack of money for payments to the military, so they issue certificates for which they will allegedly make

payments only until the 26th year, that is, during the next three years, and this is not true, the military bonds are a completely different matter. these are securities, so they can be used to make calculations like wages, and as the checkers of the project explain the fact without lies, the nominal value of one ablation is 1,000 uah, 1,000 $, 1,000 €, bonds , certificates with a denomination of 2 million uah do not exist , they were shown, well, russian on the belarusian telegram channels , it is stated on the fake bond that it seems to be a certificate for compensation to the institutions of the oschadbank and the ukrainian state trust or fear. the real certificate has a different wording, but more ukrainians the fear was eliminated as early as 1993, checkers report the fact. well, the fake certificate was allegedly signed by the minister of finance serhiy marchenko, but the cool signature belongs to one of his predecessors , oleksandr shlapak, who was a minister back in 14th year, it was during the time of shlapak that military bonds began to be issued, well in this way, propagandists are trying to discredit the ukrainian army and

the leadership of the state. earlier, they claimed that in ukraine they canceled the payment of uah 15 million to the families of fallen servicemen which is also untrue, so be careful with these fakes and be more careful with telegram channels, especially those that are run from the country of the aggressor andrii shapovalov, the head of the center for countering disinformation about the nsdc , contact us again, mr. andriy, you noticed that you celebrate different narratives that are propagandist uh and actually the people who produce it, what are the most striking cases you would highlight right now, well, the most striking of what is happening today is, of course, an attempt to scatter uh, the situation inside the country, and it is of course an attempt to disrupt in any way uh, mobilization, well, the campaign in ukraine, and we see it, and we monitor it. the main thing is that we see this network of coordinated inauthentic

behavior, that is, when individual messages are one thing, but when the enemy tries to use the entire network to launch a company. a-and namely in the debunking of fakes and a-and in the proceedings, well, contour rotivs who uh -uh should uh-uh explain the situation, who should convey the truth or, in principle , today uh-uh ukraine is fighting, it is spreading the main misinformation well in particular, regarding the so-called mobilization campaign, when they write that petrov's military is standing near the metro troeshchyna and they are handing out summonses to all men who will be arrested, what channels do people use to get this information? well, the first thing is telegram.

the day is a completely alternative means of mass communication, ah, in an alternative to the traditional means of mass information, and the enemy - the enemy knows this well , they use it well , they have learned. of ukraine and all the others, that is, they are all connected in a single network, and thanks to this, the illusion is created that supposedly, well, such an alternative reality really exists. as for the preparation of these fakes, we recently see that their level is very high that is, their quality is getting worse, it’s worse, worse, but the quantity is being produced. all the same , it’s huge, that is, the goals are conditional, some film productions are working on creating non-existent fakes, that is, all these records are allegedly from

the front lines with well-delivered russian with the accent of the military, as they say, we are fed up with everything. we are going home, but this is all quickly debunked, and the second story is when old videos from some other cities are taken, cut up, edited and passed off as fresh, that there is supposedly a riot - then there something, uh, they give summons, uh, it's also a bit of falsification. it takes more time, but they also , uh, they debunk the second question. what in such a flow of information that goes on, a person can see a fake and not see a refutation, and uh, there are not even several hours for several days maybe for weeks, a person will walk around with the confidence that it is true, although the fake has actually been canceled a long time ago, that fake has been debunked

for a long time, and the information subpoena continues, and therefore it is an important question to consume carefully information, of course, i once again call for information hygiene, that is, if you see a stream of some uh news coming at you from all sides and it is news, it is absolutely some kind of shocking scandal, then most likely it is an attempt to misinform you or directly way or manner of manipulation a-a or by way of partial replacement well, as a rule, you need to breathe out at this moment, uh, leave the internet for a while, and then calmly check uh, how many sources, and it is desirable that these sources be verified, and these can be sources of government bodies, such as the center for countering disinformation at the nsdc , i advise you to sign the source. i have already cited information about fake fake payments, delight

in military military bonds, complete lies, but there were signs that the bonds were forged yes, and different signatures by different ministers but you can do another fake, they spread posts that the air force command allegedly decided to create telegram channels from the official so-called information about the activity of enemy aircraft and the hands of drones . the air force command denied all the information . of aerial targets , app work, etc., also the information urged the administrators who maintain these fake pages not to use official symbols, they still use aerial targets forces, that is, and the question will be the following, look at it, don't you think that all this trust in telegram channels, many experts in the media say that it started with the fact that trust in official means of information , in particular telegram channels, when part of the telegram channels were combined into united marathon and part

of the digital broadcast was thrown out, which our channel and the viewer, including the same information on all channels, go to look for alternative information in telegram channels, and it is possible that the decision of the nsdc should be reviewed from the spring and these channels returned to the information info of digital broadcasting in order to restore trust in official mass media and not in anonymous telegram channels and i think that trust in anonymous telegram channels and this is generally a fake uh-uh how can you trust and but no well something anonymous if we are talking about official telegram channels, they are in tele a-a, respectively , verification a-a and well, you can be 99% sure there, uh , who exactly you are communicating with, as for any anonymous channels, well, this is uh, potentially a story about possible disinformation

and about possible manipulations, but i want to say so that you do not underestimate the consumers of information in ukraine, our people have, well, quite a lot of resistance, our people have quite a lot of immunity from disinformation today, and believe me , they are very well versed in what is happening around the enemy and cannot, in principle, be shaken our society, despite the fact that we have no light, despite the fact that we have constant rocket attacks. today, we are holding on tighter than ever in the information field , including that is why we believe in ukraine in the leader center for countering disinformation at the nsdc thank you for the inclusion, he was on our line and already waited pavlo rozenko, vice-president of the ukrainian red cross society , we welcome you, mr. pavly, i greet you. good afternoon . well, mr. pavlo, let's talk a little about the activities of the red

cross society visiting the de-occupied pro-front territories of ukraine, i can say that it is quite noticeable that people note that it is the red cross that provides the help that they need so much when it comes to some payments it is the red cross, even sooner than the state, so it provides these payments , please tell me a little more about the red cross of ukraine and what points you have the most active, please. of a non-governmental public organization, and of course that our main task, as it was and remains, is the support of ukrainians - it is the provision of various forms of assistance to our fellow citizens, and of course our activities

today are extremely broad, starting from that we carry out and continue to carry out the evacuation of the population from the most hot spots from the contact line and the most threatening territories of our state and at first, well, such a full-scale aggression on february 24. of our activity, these are definitely the most acute points of donetsk , luhansk, kherson, zaporizhzhia region, and literally, every day, we not only evacuate, we accept

these people in the territory controlled by the ukrainian authorities providing them with the appropriate priority support. we continue to pay the necessary funds to the de-occupied territories and i hope that in the near future we will expand the payment of the corresponding aid in addition to the monetary aid and humanitarian aid, which is definitely our main type of activity . today, we are actively participating in the restoration of the infrastructure of ukraine yes. we also invest there. the funds that we were able to accumulate from, well , state re, we are actively working in the kherson region. we continue to support people in this difficult winter period by purchasing and generators and roaring, and of course, i heard a little earlier part of your conversation, i also want to draw attention to the fact that , unfortunately, the activity of the red cross of ukraine

carries a lot of e-fakes that are spread, and on the other hand, we cover up scammers from fraudsters and e social networks are simply filled with fake pages about the fact that the red cross of ukraine or international organizations or the organization of the united nations will arrange assistance there fantastic sums of uah 100,000 and uah 50,000, and unfortunately, people do this, so we want to say once again that we do not distribute any kind of help through social networks, we do not collect such a very important moment, eh, how then, with what sums per person does the operation

the red cross of ukraine so that people don't rely on those sky-high numbers that you mention. look. we have various types of social assistance and various payments . to people who rent out their housing and uh, we pay them, we partially cover communal services for those people who rents it out to forced migrants, it is there about 900,000 uah 900 uah there are other various types of social assistance that we provide, but the main thing is fundamentally, we say once again we do not provide assistance through social networks, through the internet , we do not collect data, as well, directly from people

, as a rule, all our monetary assistance is issued through the relevant local authorities , through the social security administration and that's where you need to contact if you have doubts about something, if you saw an advertisement and would like to know whether it is true or not, communicate with local authorities and they will tell you exactly what you can get from the state and what you can get from international organizations and from the red of christ ukraine, as a rule, it is yes, we issue appropriate assistance judging by the fact that you are doing this with yourself. i'm sorry, the functions of the state are therefore my subjective opinion - this should be done mainly by the state, but on the other hand , we understand how cruel this war is, how much

it hit ukraine, so it is possible to understand, uh, there are some shortcomings from this point of view, please remind our tv viewers at the expense of which it is possible to provide assistance to people, how is it possible to accumulate the funds you are talking about from which resources, well , first of all, i want to say that really we we help the state and, in fact, today we took over the implementation of certain state budget programs, and why was this done ? we understand that the state has little funds for relevant social programs, and how . to say that we went through this in the 14th, 15th, and 16th years when there were no funds and then international organizations, i would say , did not help us so frankly. it is precisely because of the corresponding payments that we understood this today and we are helping the state, but once again i want to emphasize that we

we are not a state organization, we are not a budget organization. we do not receive a penny from the state budget of ukraine for the operation of the red cross of ukraine, and all the funds that we accumulate in ourselves are the funds of our first international partners and primarily of the same national organizations of the red cross around the world, respectively, help is sent to us both humanitarian and financial and unconditionally, this is an enterprise, institutions, organizations , ukrainian and ukrainian, which is also a business that trusts us and i am transferring the appropriate funds in order for us to carry out our activities , that is, here are the main directions of our activity financing of our activity mr. opale let's say a few more words about the deer

we will talk with you literally the day before yesterday at the un no i'm sorry it wasn't yet january 31 that's right two days ago at the un they compared the situation with access to the colony of volynites from the military and did not rule out the restoration of the mission, they said this during a meeting with journalists in kyiv , the coordinator of the un system in ukraine , denis brown, we never received permission from the russian federation to go there, does that mean that all is lost, or remember the zaporizhzhia npp we have there specialists compete, so it is possible, said bro . well, let me remind you that previously , dmytro lobinets, the representative of the parliament on human rights issues , reported that it had been six months to remove rak and volyn, all places where ukrainian prisoners were received and there is no proper reaction and no success in the investigation, and he actually stated that he canceled

his idea to send a mission there, the mission was well, the idea was completed and mi klenivka will not go. the international committee of the red cross and certainly some of these claims were well-founded, but we see today at the level even if the united nations is such a world organization, an international platform that, let's say, established it the world order cannot ensure that their mission arrives in the deer park. i am simply confirming this once again because we are dealing with an aggressor state, namely the russian federation , which rudely spat on the entire world order , which rudely spat on all international law and is actually a criminal today. i am convinced that behind the crime in the deer park and the crime of pressure

against the civilian population, which is carried out every day here in ukraine, the relevant leadership of the russian federation and all those who committed these crimes will sooner or later be brought to justice responsibility at which national level thank you, mr. pavlo rozenko, vice president of the red cross society of ukraine . violation of the legislation on conflict of interest deprived him of the rules to hold the post of mayor for a year, you tried to appeal this decision in the appeals court, but literally the day before yesterday , the lviv court of appeals left it in effect the decision of the yavoriv court and remove

you from the post of mayor, a fine of uah 3,400 is the only difference between the two decisions. your case is unique and, to be honest, it is not useful in any way, so he rallied around him representatives of local self-government from completely different circles of different political views, but people who understand that the reform of decentralization, i'm sorry, this is very important, it must be preserved, please give me a word of reflection after the court, please. you know it's not a good thing to comment on the court's decision , but it's possible to ask a question is necessary is it a systematic and uniform decision, i.e. there is no selective justice and, relatively speaking , the law applies equally to everyone, was

the court’s decision justified, or can the type of violation be recognized as administrative in general with which they were not suspended, does it correspond , if you define it as a violation, does the measure of punishment correspond to this violation itself? the congress with the political party of vitaliy klitschko, which was held there in the 20th year , and this is the next step, therefore, such questions must be answered, and these are the questions of

the whole society, and i emphasize that this the matter is considered unfair by the people and it was sorted on the contrary around everything, ukrainians know all the peculiarities and even my political opponents today are united in the fact that this is an absurd decision that will harm ukraine and it is an attack on local self-government and this decision is very important bad not for me but also for the mayor and this decision is negative, first of all, for ukraine this decision is not subject to appeal you were removed from the position of mayor and the fine of uah 6,800 remained in force, but the fine of uah 3,400, which was given by the yavorivskyi court of the lviv region, was canceled who is now mr. vladislav will manage the city of chernihiv, tell me about it. and how will it affect the general

management of the front-line city as a regional center? the duties of the city mayor are performed by the secretary of the city council, the following circumstance is that i am the leader of the party of the oblast party, my native house , which is the leader of the political races in the local elections of the 20th year and to this day e-e party is represented by 26 deputies from 42 in the city council, eee servant of the people, by the way, is represented here by four deputies, as opposed to 26 deputies from the native house in the regional council, the political party native house has 19 deputy mandates against seven

deputy mandates of the servant of the people, respectively as a leader of a political party, i am definitely responsible for the work of deputies elected by the party, and there are definitely a lot of projects and technical projects that need to be followed. it is obvious that according to this court decision, these are fair or not. it is unfair, it must be carried out, i cannot sign documents, i cannot give direct orders, but, i am responsible for the pre-voters, they supported me for the position of mayor with 77.49% of their support in the 20th year

, and the matter is, my honor. to serve the interests of the people and serve the interests of the city regardless of this court decision, that's why i will be located in the city, we have many challenges, and the first challenge is a repeated offensive from the northern side, so we are not very there a statically advantageous direction for the offensive, but the probability is very high, i am not going to run away to uh, i am not going to uh, imagine myself offended there, and so on, i will be with the townspeople, i will be with the city, and in case of a second offensive er er i will be in the city and doing er everything for that in order to repulse the enemy and since the city was a shield on the way of the russian troops to kyiv during the first onslaught, if necessary , the city will defend itself and the whole of ukraine, and

here my position is unshakable to me for this you need a position and very briefly, well, the main opponent of yours in the office of the president was called kyril tymoshenko, as if he was responsible for chernihiv, now he is no longer there, who is currently responsible for chernihiv in the office of the president , no one could influence - influence the position of the appeals court, but very briefly official information, the deputy head of the president's office was appointed, responsible for regional policy, who was the head of the kyiv regional military administration, which means , well, in principle, in relation to tymoshenko, somewhere there were no illusions, tymoshenko does he know the general policy

towards me as to the world that supported klitschko ? to create an idea that it is he who influences us and made relevant posts, we saw that without individual mayors, he could do there and such. i think these are careless posts for an official, very and very harmful for ukraine, but according to the distribution of responsibilities, not his own distribution of responsibilities well, everyone understands that there is no secret for anyone that kirylo tymoshenko could not give orders directly to the person responsible for the law enforcement structures or to the person responsible for the courts from the office of the president, so accordingly , there are no illusions here. we know adults are already adults and should clearly understand the situation, uh, i didn't somehow get into a fight, what was applied, tymoshenko

's release, i don't have any statements that the president had all the right to fire him, he obviously had uh, how do you understand the reasons for everything thank you, vladyslav apopchenko, the mayor of chernigov has been removed from his position for the time being in direct contact with the studio e thank you for your participation now we have a pause after the pause you will meet the news with angelika of the season of the host of the espresso tv channel and i am also a volunteer of our soldiers at the front need a lot of things every day, and that is why part of my life today is helping the armed forces of ukraine . did i, the author and presenter of television projects, think that i would have to understand things like thermal imagers, generators , quadcopters, could i, a mother of three children , imagine the same thing? how to know the principle of action of a diaper, i will understand the difference between