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, eight presenters, espresso, journalists, experts opinion leaders in real time about the most relevant events through the prism of war every day author's projects on espresso r greetings friends with you vitaliy portnikov we continue the informational film davalny express on the espresso tv channel i hope that mykola veresen will join us soon in the next few days here and today we continue with you talking about what happened this week, you can already draw certain conclusions and military conclusions and the situation that has developed in foreign policy

, there are many such important topics that are worth talking about to speak for the simple reason that many people are currently waiting for those real events that can happen on the front, many say that these will be such serious events, that the russians can go on the offensive from the other side, and they say that the ukrainian troops can also go on the offensive don't you know that today was the summit of the european union ukraine, in which a lot was also said about the european integration of our country, now we will start talking with our experts , david gendelma, not an israeli military expert, has already joined us, congratulations dobry day well, let's try to talk

in general . what do you think is happening in donbass? of the russian army, how it looks now, the turn, the lack of expression of military equipment, apparently incapable of conducting any deep operations, any large-scale offensive, therefore, chose to the tactic of slow, small gnawing, as in the video, the soldier was wounded, and now in the district of bakhmut, they are trying to make a military means of what i can. in order to achieve a political directive, can a political directive determine the course of a war ? specialty uh, there was no political instruction, it wouldn’t be at all, it’s war, how uh

, war is known, it’s a continuation of politics by other means, the political leadership sets the task, the army tries to what extent in this, if ego tries, it’s the executor sometimes we will not fulfill the task. in any case, the political leadership is the only task. this is what you think about this story with the publication of my zurich website . just a political woman who speaks eh behind-the-scenes negotiations came out of the level of course on this topic with a variety of the second how to be a variety of brossy and the majority of people who claim to that they have supposedly some prices, of course, in fact, it is worth a lot, it is tracks propaganda of disinformation, and so on

, it was not directly in the office , where do you send the negotiations? discussing that the war has been going on for several months in the east and that the nearest time is not visible on the horizon is an opportunity for either side to make some kind of sharp turn on the front to hold some kind of decisive victory well, in principle, if says the united states as a global player. let's say, in principle, we could consider such an option. of course, it is possible to third it, maybe they are getting ready. ranetki time would like to say as much as possible how to close the question of the russian-ukrainian war in quotation marks . well, this is all theoretical reasoning in itself of course, i don’t know. were there any such

proposals ? of course, we have a driver, a military expert, a colonel of the armed forces of ukraine in the reserve, will join us now. roman svetan greets mr. roman. greetings. well, what do you think ? when it comes to this war of extermination , which mr. genderman is talking about. it's profitable. let's imagine that vladimir putin will spend a long time waging this war to destroy ukrainian resources, ukrainian citizens, and the ukrainian military. we can see that he is determined to see how it will all look.

realistically, if you look at it, and he launched the mobilization system, it worked for him at full capacity. the money air fence is allowed to collect contractors , that is, it can collect approximately 100,000 people per month and prepare more or less, and in principle it will launch this flywheel. it is already started. it is already ready. these 100,000 per month well, here is the nearest certain amount of time until it stops, it may be at some point already there, it may be russian, but it will certainly not start because of this, but it will most likely start because of economic reasons that is, they have infinite resources that they can use, limited only by the system , limited by the framework of the mobilized system

. 100,000 months. there is little. there is little technology russians, although again the mm system for the production and reproduction of equipment has been launched , including that it will reach its maximum speed somewhere closer to the summer, and that's when these 100,000 infantry will become 100,000 motorized infantry. came out on this regime, and in principle , for him, this is exactly the retention of power, he can sit on this regime as much as he wants, as long as god wills him to live in moderation, only he can sit on this regime why, russians are absolutely not reacts to the horn on the quantity robbed for them, it's uh, 100,000 people per hour, it's just one, like out of a thousand , uh, some people just don't even know a thousand people in their lifetime, that is, they don't even understand it, because putin will definitely go to this

regime, it's a good question for him how will we treat it, and our partners treat it there, it is necessary to go to the same regime from minuses, not 100,000 per month, but $100,000 from 100,000 hours, and go to the regime from minuses, not 100,000 per month, this is not 700 people that's you, that's about one and a half thousand people a month plus about the same amount 1,500 300 heavy here, when we can level this resource, but for this we need a certain weapon. we are waiting for it now, but how do you think the west understands that, in principle, this is a war on the east, if it will be long, it will be early or it's too late and the ukrainian mobilization resource is, by and large, in russia if there is no such weapon as the lord of the holiday says , because the russians have it, or the initial mobilization resource is many times greater if it is not liquidated in geometric progression, not only there

yes, they were killed. yes, they were just wounded. and if you take people out of order, then it will be possible to simply calculate arithmetically the moment when the russians will still have enough of silver to mobilize new dog handlers of the ukrainian soldiers in such a situation. physically , there will simply be no one. the logic of war in the second world war, it was used by soviet teams , he said flawlessly precisely because, in principle, these calculations and simple arithmetical and geometrical calculations are understandable that the west perfectly understands the question of how much he is ready, what is called lying down in full, so that this does not happen. 300 more tanks are needed for the offensive, 700 a day, 500. i did this, which is not even the right amount

, even if the confectionery still does not guarantee anything. the principle is completely correct , romana said in principle until the loss of russia begins to insert millions. order of opportunity on this topic, therefore, until there is a sharp supply of weapons, it is clear that it is impossible to inflict such huge losses on russia purely in hand-to-hand combat, therefore, now it looks like a person’s place. zapachyorov is calling and there is a possible small advance of the russians here and there, there is no movement . and if one of the outsiders manages to grow a third hand, for example, with the help of the promotion of the russian war industry on the one hand, or the sharp education of the western level on the other hand , while it will be so and so

ukraine would like to grow a third arm in order to strike a decisive blow, but the west does not provide enough weapons for this arm of the branch to speak. ukraine should grow this, as mr. david says, a third hand in a situation when it is obvious that without it this war will continue for years. there is a mechanism that will support david . indeed, a third hand in the moss could be a hand that is allowed in aviation. the pilot himself knows perfectly well. when ground attack aircraft or warehouse fighters work on the ground, this is when 5-7 tons of ammunition from one plane goes to the ground and buries everything to a depth of up to two meters. since the transfer of aviation in sufficient quantity, it is very important in sufficient quantity

so that aviation can work and repaint - this is life force and together with the equipment, even before it reaches the front line, the contact boiler of missiles will enter the contact boiler for this, at least these are not enough all high-precision rockets are allowed certain mechanisms for the destruction of logistics ammunition, they do not give this advantage. what can aviation give when the bombers enter разгругается на между бригаты моментно there is simply nothing to be collected because this is the third hand . we need aviation.

for 20 years, the new paradigm is the participation in combat operations of aviation. and now the bet on aviation . why, in principle , no one produces new tanks and they don’t even launch the old ones , because aviation solves all the problems. er, before er enters a contact battle, er, we allow opposing parties , because, er, i think, by the way, they understand this perfectly. on the donetsk front or on the luhansk front or on the zaporizhia front, they worked for 2-3 days, and 300 will go there to russia at once . but when 300,000 robbers enter at once , or whatever will remain because he is there , all this will have to be distributed in bags . that's when it will arise очень быстро вопрос russia

it will simply start to collapse if there is a one-moment intervention. there is no smooth plant like now. but a one-moment intervention will simply wash away russia with this reverse wave , riots will start there, probably most likely these rioters, er, this would collapse. i fear our partners, because they do not give us the third hand, david is right, but tell panda, there was a lot of talk about tanks, that they can never be given , discussions continued for months, in the end , tanks were given, although many emphasize that strategically they cannot change the situation now the same conversations have started about fighter jets, some countries say we are ready to give, but let us agree too much, other countries say we will never give and cannot give planes, this means that the west is simply gradually increasing the bar of this confrontation, but the question arises why so gradually and what is the real goal it is clear that on the one hand, the war has its own dynamics, as we saw with all the other

weapons, if the heavy ones were washed, if you started stingers, as a result, ukraine has already reached petrenko, what about a year ago, no one i didn’t dream, because gradually everything is breaking down, so gradually it came to tangol, which many people talked about. no , in any case, no one will put it because the war has its own speakers. or later, it comes to the weapon system that they supplied , on the one hand, to the west, as before, and even to the statements of this matron, the main imperative for the west is for the war to break out, in simple words, for predelyval ukraine, therefore already and all these restrictions do not strike at the territory of russia, first of all nato does not want this war to turn into a direct

military conflict nato with russia because , uh, someone is nobody, the ukrainians perfectly understand why other countries do not they want a direct military war with the russians, and they see what nature is for, and they donated hotels and so on , that's why the west with eh. financial aid for a tenth of a billion dollars, if they didn't want to do it, they wouldn't have done it on the other hand, they still try not to give it anyway , because they don't try to avoid escalation as much as possible , they want to avoid escalation . some kind of inclination is possibly complicated , but they are considering and saying their plan is that russia, what can be arranged in ukraine after the planets so that it does not involve directly in some way an onate war, for example , a theoretical option if russia

i support you too much. won't the military defeat in ukraine lead to the idea that nuclear weapons should be used as one of the options, so the west helps, but still , in the end, you don't perceive it as your own property. i know very well what world war ii was. the war, when i am now , the united states looked at their war and the most involved in the war, how they launched the industrial war, how much they supplied to the soviet union now , this is still not within those frameworks because the smell wants to help him, this is still not his own war , that's why all these rumors about the fact that maybe the chief, er, this one tried to be an intermediary in the plan to go to the negotiations of the territory in the exchange of the world one of the highest western officials cannot fail to register once the west is filled, so he does not give everything that ukraine would like, but roman , don’t you think that this western line

somehow does not always take this ukraine into account, that ukraine is the opposite wanted the west was more of a real participant in this war, and the western countries all the time, it's been a year, i make it clear that no, they will help as much as they can, but they can't participate, well , by the way, the soviet union also did the same thing during the war in vietnam, it gave weapons and not itself participated do you want to fight the americans fight the level of your victims who are you to the vietnamese communists this is your level of your victims it was very similar in afghanistan many of us were offended by the hungarian prime minister viktor orbán and rightly so but there was some damage there was a very similar event gave weapons to the afghan insurgents who fought against the soviet occupiers. but he said that how you will fight him is a question of your price . well, it’s very interesting. and in vietnam and in afghanistan , the afghans, the vietnamese

won in afghanistan. weapons were given in sufficient quantity and the vietnamese and the afghans had weapons exactly as much as they did not order even probably hear more especially i can imagine what kind of weapons the afghan man had there, without the infantry, in one coat, but with an inner one, and quite such a large amount, because if the west treated us the same way, even in the same mode, and gave us what we asked for, we managed with the russians, with smaller losses and earlier, at the end, that is, it is as if to do it in the summer, and before the announcement of mobilization

, the question was already solved, and we have already solved the question now. i see a deliberate puff a deliberate delay in the transfer of weapons, i.e. the retention of a certain front line, is precisely regulated. uh, the guys who left us, but the wounded, very much later, uh, very big losses, losses on the front line, and it is clear that you will not be carried out by different methods, but tem nemenes, you are a reserve in human reserves, what do you mean by professionals, you are professionals

this is certain motivated people who have been performing military tasks now , every month they will have to train more and more, better time for preparation, that is, not a very smart approach at least he is much worse than who is already er-er to whom are the afghans or what is feeding us, i want to ask you, mr. david , about what is happening now with the israeli position, but we have heard, er, we have not heard, or rather , you read the words of the prime minister in the times in israel obenyi materiahup which he allegedly said during the meeting with the president france by manel macron about the fact that he is allegedly ready for certain military supplies to ukraine, this was the first time it was heard even at the level of the media

, even at the level of informed sources , this means that the israeli position is changing. considers the question of the supply of weapons to ukraine for the whole of ukraine, this wave has risen with some, it is actually a long time ago, because not yet before the elections , he said that if you return to power, he will reconsider the question of the possibility of supply arms of ukraine now this question is actually considered in fact, he told the truth. the problem is that he was not looking at questions with positive answers, that is, it is far from the same thing. the distance to that point is still far away. although in

principle, there are some moves president zelensky said back in october that there is a trend, but in general, in the near future, it will really happen, if there are changes in the israeli position on the other hand, it is possible to say the same thing, since the war has its own dynamics, and now it is possible to consider the impossible russian threat to israel too, i am already partially changing, plus there is no doubt about the political pressure of the united states on israel so that israel will expand its aid to ukraine , squeeze the humanitarian, including the military aspect and for now, it is still far from a fact, indeed, in the near future, there will be some kind of torres change, while this is a wave of estimates. it is still premature, it fluctuates , there are no contacts, there is some dynamics, but

it is definitely possible to say that, at least for the moment, the positions of israel will be put on request окресния украины are still far from meeting the desires of ukraine. in general, what do you think about this iron dome? does it make sense at all? if we speak purely theoretically , then first of all, it is clear a political solution, something will be delivered if, again, how much will such a solution actually be, then the israeli ukrainian specialists must decide together even if it is about air defense systems and anti-missile systems, it is not a fact that an iron dome is specifically needed in israel, there are many other anti-aircraft guns barak osen e- spider and so on, it is not a fact that an iron dome is specifically needed . by itself, i bought an iron dome in ukraine. it could be, that is, it will again be necessary in quantity, but how would it bring a certain benefit?

anti-missile defense, the names of front-line zones, for example, in the kharkov region or in the kherson region, because its niche against which it works is unguided missile shells and rockets with a range of 4 to 70 km . recently, it has been somewhat expanded on this main niche for which it is made, that is for example, it already works against eh or a hurricane or any other missiles that have such a theoretical range, it can work like this against artillery shells, that is, it is clear that after this he simply does not originally intended to close the strategic ukraine against which short-range missile strikes, including air-based ones, against such threats, israel has other systems of forgiveness of david and several modifications of the hands package , which are also intended for the defeat of long- range ballistic missiles at a distance of 1000 km in israel, the topic of rights and

about it is missile defense, there are a lot of different means, and is there really something that will come to this according to the ukrainian and israeli experts on technical parameters and according to the characteristics of the ugro s specifically for ukraine eh vyborot that we are better for a while just with an iron dome , the most famous in its niche, you understand , has shown great efficiency what will be more useful precisely in kiev, in the military technical plan, how far from the fact that this is actually if something is worth nonsense, i’m talking about simplification, too, different kupala, you don’t know that it doesn’t fit at all , but ukraine. this is why we need to look at specific threats and protect against them . or maybe panorama, we can use such systems to close our border cities with an iron dome

. oblasts of russia, e.g., bryansk, kursk, belgorod, voronezh, rostov, the front line is 1,000 km away from them . we will hold it, as israel is now working, and with the iron dome, including threats to ourselves. russia will hold this line of defense from there from the east, something will fly, which is called later, eh, the iron dome will definitely fit, and david is right here, the optimal option is now to use it in the area of ​​the same a-a kherson , kharkov, zaporozhye, that is, at this distance. in fact, it would be a very good complex for us now from alleged political threats, and it was here, it would quickly be integrated into

the general air defense system. what will we get ? thank you thank you let's go to gendelmana from the novel dawn for participating in this part of our program, we promised at the beginning that we would talk about what happened at the summit of the european union and we will talk about it with the address of kubilis, a member of the european parliament from lithuania, the former prime minister of the country and the head international association together for the sake of ukraine greetings mr. anderson good evening, let's try to understand, in principle, the meaning of such a hopeless thing ourselves, that's all this hopelessness , the joint state of the government of ukraine and the european commissioners is so very rare that an almost full visit of the european commission to kiev is also very

rare, so that eurocommission that's how i went somewhere, and here's today's same thing from the european union, but what are the specifics in the background of all these beautiful solemn meetings, well , the symbolism, in general, is also very necessary, eh because it gives a strong signal and a signal about the integration of ukraine into the european union, in my opinion , it is very important , not important. er, a stand of a leopard filet or an abramshot for er, for the military, well, what about ukraine, and what, uh, you can, it is important that the entire commission came together with the chairman