[000:00:00;00] today's summit of the european union went, but what are the specifics against the background of all these beautiful celebratory meetings, in general, it is also very necessary, because it gives a strong signal and a signal regarding the integration of ukraine into the european union, in my opinion очень нужен не важного i um so uh-uh loudly said that the integration of ukraine and the european union nato uh-uh is not much more important than uh-uh a stand of a leopard filet or abramshak for uh-uh for the military well what about ukraine and what uh-uh on the one hand, it is very important that everything is important

the commission arrived together with the chairman of the council. well, the entire leadership of the rocket union is here. there were other parties. i think that the ukrainian side is very good at asking for the messages that president zelensky gave, especially. in the fact that negotiations on the account of er membership of real negotiations are due to us often already this year, this has sounded very strongly and i think that it will have er significance indeed in this integration processor which er where ukraine must convince the european union to act much more the explanations are effective and in some respects here are

uh , i think there are some parallels with how ukraine uh managed to finally make the european countries of the european union, especially germany, agree to supply us with leopards . of ukrainian history that integration into the european union should take place more quickly and much faster . that this profession will be controlled tomorrow by a strong political will, because the supply of weapons also requires a military ramstein , president zelensky says that ukraine deserves to be a part of the negotiations in the european union from 2023 , how realistic do you think this is? we are also saying this to the european parliament, they adopted it just because of the resolution and uh, delaying the beginning

of negotiations makes no sense uh, and well , bureaucrats . to do more slowly, but it is necessary to start negotiations, both for ukraine and for the production of the union, because the integration of ukraine into the european union is necessary not only for ukraine, but also for the european union itself, because the integration of ukraine into the european union brings not only economic m-m benefit, both for ukraine and for production here, it brings very big big hepatic changes in the entire continent, if indeed it is the most big strategic need

today, eh, why the labor continent and the beginning of the negotiations, how to measure the progress of ukraine, how to help ukraine understand, in what places is it necessary to make efforts for reforms, etc. and if you look at our experience, the experience of central europe in the late 90s, when we negotiations started for us, for lithuania, let's say, it took 3 years to finish the negotiations for poland, this country took more than four years , that is, the beginning of negotiations can then give a very good account. according to calculations and the one who is recorded in various documents of the european parliament, such if the negotiations begin this year, it is very

real that the negotiations will end , the ratification of the documents will end by the end of this decade, that is, ukraine can do so with ken in the european union, let's say in the 29th year , it's even more difficult for the ukrainian voter to participate in the elections of the 29th year to the european parliament . all the same, well, how would i be skeptical, i am very cautious about the prospects of ukraine , the real prospects for ukraine to become a member of the evacuation team, i remember how last year president macron said that negotiations could take place there for another decade. i think that this it was a big mistake of the european union. if the european

union had not made noise, i would have concentrated the political pain and allowed the entire integration process to drag on for another 10 years. the european commission is quite optimistic mrs. rtula forte lain and charm-michel, the head of the european council, they are just big enthusiasts that ukraine has entered the european union and they say that ukraine has already managed to overcome a lot, the national government is primarily held by germany, france, they are not in a hurry, it is said that i will measure it more let's say the economic consequences of ukraine's entry into the european union, which may be difficult for the economy, especially these countries as the main economies of the european union, as far as principe what kind of bureaucracy is there now with what kind of dispute will the representatives of all

eh the ruler eh the representative of all the countries of the european union and of course hm at this level we see eh different different approaches i already talked about how you refused the president macropom of the year, we also know how lifeism of some other countries or caution, and all this needs to come further , a person is very good that in schools underline is such a strong leader in this direction, uh, and i think that uh, it's just such a good combination of the president zelenskyi and who is the flanders line can achieve a lot, but you have to look at different capitals in this plan and we are ready, here is our created coalition, the childhood of ukraine, we will work in this direction and finally

, it is very good that the government of ukraine, you clearly told sofia that they are ready to make two reforms that are necessary for joining the european union at the highest speed, but to work here is still not enough on all sides, as far as the current board is concerned about the danger of corruption affects european integration. how is it considered? it means that we see one corruption charge after another. such large-scale companies, which of course are connected to specific facts in europe, have always been wary of it . to be honest, ukrainian corruption is not alone in europe. we see corruption situations in countries . of the european union, they are already there, and we are not, well, you know, the corruption of people, even in the upper-hettan parliament

, this is now a wonderful story. ukraine needs to do a lot of work in order to show the whole world that ukraine can win not only on the military front, it can help you win on this front in the fight against corruption . er, the action of the er structures of the special structure of ukraine is giving hope that there will be no concessions to anyone in ukraine, and not from the other side. i would like to see that ukraine has embodied в жизнь that experience which was not so long ago but 10 years ago 15 years ago, we saw, let's say, in the same georgia, when president mikheil saakashvili was able to make a big

leap in the fight against corruption, and in this regard, let's say, based on the indices, the so-called index the transfer for ours was in the chest, which was then somewhere, that’s where we are today, all that remains is ukraine, there the number of 20 places suddenly jumped in a few years to such places where it was in the chest, where it began to overtake and a number of countries of the european union , the same as how it works say in such a country like armenia, i think that here ukraine should be the wind itself, or what kind of actions are still necessary, and not only eh, let’s give some new structures, eh, the right of order, but i think too.

too, business is a series of such administrative regulations that do not create opportunities for corruption and any such actions that are necessary, simply do not create conditions for them, that's enough. interesting story when it is said negotiations with by the european union, fulfill the claim of the national governments, as north macedonia's negotiations with the european union were postponed for 10 years at the beginning and at the request of greece, then from the opposition of bulgaria, they changed their conscientious name, now there are discussions on the history of the other countries of the european union, they had to come up with some crazy literary constructions in order to somehow satisfy bulgaria's claim create some mechanism that will allow these negotiations to begin

in the closet, its neighbors are above the roofs. hungary, which makes a claim, refers to the situation with national minorities . romania, which makes claims with the national population. from poland and without creating any general idea about what happened in the western lands of ukraine in the 1940s. there is no ukraine at all. the european union will not join even if 50 years pass, i'm sorry, i don't understand how to overcome it, i'm talking privately, it worries me even more than any economy, but yes , really, that's a bad experience , which was shown by the last discoteletiya, and let's say something like this well, the failure of the integration of the western balkans, and especially when you remember how theatrical europe is, you will make it, it passed, this is putin's

demotion, he is all of us, and we are all, this is the story that you talked about macedonia, and there, uh, and let's say greece or bulgaria, all of us, too, were very, very badly affected on the one hand. of course, there is a lot of talk about the fact that the domestic system of decision-making and decision-making within the european union must change and the right to a vow should be, er, well, such a right should not be left, because this right is up to er the adoption

of new screens eh whose on the european court it is the right of veto will definitely stop being such a tool of blackmail, we love it. this is really becoming such a mass perception, and the european parliament has more than once expressed in favor of simply giving up such a right of veto and has simply what we call a qualified decision to make decisions with the tools of a qualified majority, but not everyone is invited to these reforms, too, so that europe is in such a kind of crisis, but i think that, again, under real

geopolitical circumstances, i see the struggle of ukraine eh and near what ukraine has but the whole film is very big eh international authority time and i somehow think that with eh general such the reforms that need to be carried out will be arbitrary, and to what extent, in your opinion, is it at all possible that someone in the union will refuse to send a letter to this, too, they have been saying for over 10-15 years. open to referendums and it is clear that there are no effective mechanisms to change such a solution now , well, you know, i can't tell you a recipe for how this can happen, but the european union

itself started the treaty in 1957 lives according to the predictions that were made with jean monetny let 's say yes godfathers to today's players what we call a game-playing toyota and this was confirmed enough in the last ten years to see that every crisis there , the financial crisis of the 12th year was created by the banking union, the refugee crisis of the 15th year created the front act, now we live in a very deep geopolitical curve russia's war against ukraine is a very large deep geological credit

of the european union, and for this the european sighed to leave being stronger in a different way, to make an important geopolitical decision, including those related to expansion of the missile union from the integration of ukraine into the european union, that's why i don't have hope somehow, but when i have hope in general, how do i have some troubled times, i then say that it is necessary to do remember the times of the grand duchy of lithuania and start thinking about the unification of ukraine and lithuania, and then i have a question as to how exactly germany united, and i became the european union for 90 hours in west germany. we can

solve this problem. we have no borders at all. we need you to unite with poland, then i don't think there will be many supporters of such a union in lithuania or ukraine. well , let's see if belarus can help us with its democracy . the topic of corruption was discussed as a topic that can seriously slow down the european integration of ukraine, and now we will talk about all these anti-corruption events with our next guests, yaroslav yurchyshyn, people's deputy first deputy chairman of the committee of the verkhovna rada on the issue of corruption policy , we are in touch with kateryna ryzhenko, deputy executive director of the transport banner or international ukraine. i congratulate you, colleagues. which has become such i would say

indicative from the point of view of the anti-corruption performances of the authorities and what are the general impressions a huge amount of information about suspicions about searches and other actions of law enforcement agencies, and of course one cannot say here that this is not uh , it inspires and motivates to hope that the real actions of uh against corrupt people, you are real investigations are in fact moving forward , however, i cannot but note here that although there are a lot of reports about new cases appearing in the mass media , most of them are still at the stages of searching for information, preparing documents for the case for further actions, that is these are not verdicts yet, this is not yet a court decision, and it will most likely take a lot of time to reach them, and here the main thing is to remember that all of them are now loud, and in some places

even demonstrative actions of law enforcement agencies, statements of the authorities, so that they do not remained exclusively statements that all these really court cases investigated by law enforcement agencies would come to some logical conclusion and preferably in reality end with real verdicts for all those suspects whose names we now often hear a-a on the air of yaroslav, as the classics said for some reason, we don't really believe that the activation of anti-corruption arrests is taking place . it's quite a good time. american auditors just went the day before, the european union themselves. about

ukrnafta, where we actually assume that the key figure is y kolomoisky, searches took place, an invitation to investigative actions was sent to the national anti-corruption bureau , at least four suspicions were raised, in particular , the head of ukrnafta at that time was temporarily the acting director of which was suspected that he gave oil to a private company connected to the group, this company was sold at a gas station , the gas station sold this oil, and the state did not receive anything from it. everything seems to be fine, and here we have the european union , and we need to show

some results regarding the fight against oligarchs, i.e., the implementation of the law on deoligarchization. well, there is none, and you can , of course, nod to this commission with new ones. has not yet given a recommendation, but for example, we can even start a register of oligarchs, which we can do regardless of whether the special commission gave us recommendations or not , well, there is none either, that is, in principle, europeans need to show one of the seven requirements put forward before submitting a candidacy to the eu. that well, what can be done in such a case well, let's see who is our oligarch hmm rinat leonidovych well, it's kind of a scary wall and ihor valeriyovych is not on the road because he is wanted by the united states, that is, he is not going anywhere let's visit him again or there are some cases, well, the comfort that is in ukrnafta, let's give and approximately the results are the same, and that's why i really don't want it to be in the next one . it has happened to us many times, and when when society has a request for the fight against corruption , related to corruption, the probable purchase of food for the ministry of defense from

corruption on the generators of the ministry of health and welfare, and that is, on such key topics. the government is starting to show mega-active activity. what is the result of corruption if you don’t follow the paths of geography or the discovery channel recently ? there are some serious corruption cases, in particular, people's deputies in the higher anti-corruption court, and cases of the dbr or b cases, which are currently showing such serious activity, so far we do not see any serious results. i really want to be wrong , but honestly, well if there is more that affects the fact that such activation has taken place - it is an effort to show the authorities and society and our international partners that we are actively actively fighting there will be verdicts, i can convince myself

otherwise, well, for a moment, the skeptical ms. kateryna between mr. yaroslav well, not really. unfortunately, i cannot talk about any expectations here with him, because in addition to what mr. yaroslav mentioned about the activation, now in the background , the eu and other international expectations from ukraine are also some things are a little surprising , how exactly are searches carried out, why are some cases that should be investigated, for example, nabu and procedural management by sap, for some reason, they are dealt with by the sbu of the dbr and other e bodies here too. it is difficult not to see potentially how negatively this will affect reality yes further on the investigation of these is skillful because the picture is beautiful, and when you look at how these, how these arguments, how these evidences were collected during the public words

of the searches, they will then be considered by the courts , will they stand there, eh, will these cases be transferred if they are relevant , nabu nabu, eh that's still under question well, i can't help but say that i think that there are high-profile, complicated cases that we've been hearing about for years, and the same mr. sirov and trukhanov, etc., are being considered even by the highest anti-corruption court, which are clearly more more effective than most judges in ukraine literally mehendi words with hands, and here we can carry out searches and forget about those cases and it's not even a fact that they will reach some verdicts in the court of mr. yaroslav, in principle , how realistic is a systemic approach to the patient of the fight against corruption because

it's been for years, it's been almost 10 years . it ends with surnames, it's television footage , but the real fight against corruption is not the rest, it shows. the system remained touched and then again three years later and a new convocation was put in place and a new one and these and these and the system works flawlessly everyone takes bribes and the question arises whether ukraine has a chance to overcome the system problem in general and in fact it is despite the fact that i critically assess the events of the last week there are certain trends which makes me extremely happy, for the first time in ukraine , let's say, such a tool as reputation is starting to appear. because when the deputy ministers were exposed earlier, they simply tried to protect the ministers at any cost. and now we see that even in the ministry of defense, after certain discussions and in the ministry of regional policy

, those involved in the scandals were released, at the same time, the pace is quite operational, but this cannot be the only mechanism because it is so easy to manipulate , you include, you provide the necessary amount of information , you include publicity there even in under the conditions of the war in ukraine, it can be done and you knock down a person simply by an authoritative attack on authority, and in order for changes to be inevitable, it is necessary to change not the people in the chairs , not even the chairs, and because we have them here too the proposal is now to unite the ministries so that there is less corruption, well, less assault is easier to control and that's why it doesn't work , in fact we need to change the rule if we take, for example, the sphere of food procurement for the military, then the best - well, the least that can be done is public and even in war conditions according to nato standards, what is the price

of an egg, which will then be eaten by the military , it does not affect the defense capability of the country. yes, we can not put it there, only there are eggs, it is bought so that the enemy does not calculate how many troops do we have? although it is possible to calculate in a different way, we can set contracts after the fact, but at least some information can be. actually, changing the rules at times is more important than conditionally changing people, because there is a big chance that even the most frequent person who comes to a system infected with corruption is either she simply will not be able to see her for a certain period of time until the system pulls her in, or in principle, understanding the insurmountable systems, she will simply give up there and either resign or join at all. therefore, it is

a very important point here that people's deputies do not they announced the next arrests, as in our country it is very popular to do it, where vydrikhamia is. well, that's another question, in principle, a politician who talks about the fact that someone will be arrested the day after tomorrow is either a violation of the secrets of the investigation, well, or a banal pr, but here is a politician who says yes in our country there are huge problems in the field of tax customs and we have registered a bill that introduces a system e-e m-m electronic loading of transport that enters and exits the synchronization of our actions there with the polish czech republic and similar customs and that is, we change the rules by changing the rules. we are sure that these are followed, but we can follow up and whoever, god forbid, does not clean the hand, the inevitability will immediately correspond . punishment and normal, adequate rules are much better than the punishment itself, because we can punish a unit, but we need to change really systemic things otherwise, we will

continue to fight corruption because it is possible to prevent corruption. this is much more effective, and corruption can only be punished when it is an exception to the case unfortunately, we are still at the stage of rebuilding the mechanism to prevent the creation of such rules that would not allow corruption, ms. kateryna, but this story with the american inspectors general. how do you think it will help the process in general? the very idea of ​​creating this general inspection by the arrival of the americans is something also absolutely for ukrainian history that we see that our international partners follow what is happening in ukraine, follow the reforms , and here also directly er, someone will be there