[000:00:00;00] verticals of the permanent fight against corruption because corruption can be prevented it is much more effective and corruption can be punished only when it is an exception to the law , unfortunately, so far we are still at the stage of rebuilding the mechanism for preventing the creation of such rules that would not allow corruption ms. kateryna a ot this story with the american inspectors general . how do you think it will help the process in general? the very idea of ​​creating this general inspection with the arrival of the americans is also something absolutely for ukrainian history. i think that all of this history will also bring an important communication and certain ethereal component that we can see that our international partners follow what is happening in ukraine, follow the reforms, and here also directly, someone

will come there and follow the spending of funds of american taxes and there may be some consequences of this control. i think that this is the most important component of this idea and this kind of innovation to talk about the effectiveness of the implementation of this mechanism on the part of our international partners as a it's too early for me now, because , after all, their ability to influence the situation is limited in ukraine, once again there to punish corrupt officials directly. which will add creates a certain pressure on the representatives of the authorities, a certain pressure on those who are interested in bypassing the existing anti-corruption restrictions. well, it also

creates an additional control, or at least an understanding that he can be er for of all participants in the processes of government officials , etc., but if we are not ready to build an effective anti-corruption system inside the country, we are not ready to build those processes that will be aimed at preventing potential corruption , then we can expect that our international partners through the creation of any additional inspectors there and i want controlled bodies to solve our problems, i think that the ukrainians are not interested in this either, and neither are our international partners, so we still have to direct the work in the first place state bodies and other e-e participants in the process of fighting corruption to build

a more effective anti-corruption system in our country . with what pains and with what er, well, with what obstacles is the state anti-corruption program being adopted now. and today, the fact that it is not supported by the government is just a testimony, well , an example of how ready our state is to systematically fight corruption and is ready to systematically solve the issue, not with beautiful pictures of suspicion searches, etc., which very often do not end with court verdicts, and if it does end with court verdicts, well , no, no, no, this does not prove that, in reality,

a person who was found guilty of corruption crimes, were there to sit behind bars , give up your property, and so on, so you should not hope that foreigners will be able to do our work better than us. and what do you think , mr. yaroslav, how general is this the inspection can in principle help. well, no, the function of helping actually is a huge positive for us, on the one hand, because this is how our american partners speak. yes, we will provide serious help and we are even ready to invest the funds of the taxpayers of the united states in order for you to create an additional mechanism for you control, but the whole logic lies in the fact that even the appointment of robert storch

as the head of this group of expert auditors and inspectors shows that the united states attracts people who are very are developing well in what is in ukraine and as an auxiliary mechanism they even give the opportunity to ukrainians to contact representatives of the united states. there is no telephone line specially allocated for reporting corruption . friends will set their own conditions more clearly, or you work and move, or we will be forced to review the efficiency and intensity of work with you, so on the one hand, the fact that the states are doing such a control mechanism is positive we are here seriously for a long time, we are really ready to help you and the resources we will direct to reconstruction are significant, we are even ready to create additional intermediate

forces, and after all, this is not the first time, because recently the specialized united states ordered an external audit of the deload company on how effectively the weapons supplied are used is provided to ukraine and the auditors have confirmed that there are no russian manipulations about the non-targeted use of destruction and the like, they say. and there are no grounds, everything is clearly used with high quality. i really hope that the results of the work of this group of inspectors will be similar to a, but it is extremely important for us to show the results for us, no one in the world, there are no precedents for someone to help deal with internal problems, except for a, as an internal desire to really solve them, so we will have additional information in the end yes i remember

that before the war, when mr. zelensky first met with joe biden, he had such a frank answer to journalists' questions that, you know, they know a lot , sometimes even too much, but now it will be to know even better and more deeply, but with the aim of helping us until the moment we are ready. we will solve our own problems, mrs. kateryna, in principle. so when they say that tax reform can be carried out this year, do you believe in the possibility of tax reform during the war, a good question. i think that definitely any reforms are as big and systemic as the tax reform, which we have already been talking about for far from the first day, well, it should not disappear from the agenda simply, well, during the war . especially since other reforms we continue to move

forward yes, certain actions are taking place, but it is hoped that such a huge comprehensive reform will happen, and also in the restrictions that we are currently seeing due to the martial law. well, honestly, i am not very optimistic . do we need to start it? there is an opportunity to do it even in a state of war, of course there is how quickly it will be, how much political will there will be, not only is it nice to say something and take certain communication measures on this issue, but here , because i was not very optimistic about this issue. and you, mr. yaroslav, what do you think why in general, this topic of tax reform has now arisen, at the moment when it is not at all clear what will happen to business, what will happen to the possibility of private entrepreneurs, they are already talking about the need to review these popish schemes. i absolutely agree. what do you have to review in the economy, but exactly at the time when it disappears before our eyes. well, we actually need to show those who

want to do business in ukraine because of the extraordinary conditions but continue to do business in ukraine that the state hears them and give certain incentives. what do you see after the war will be better. yes, vat will be returned if there is still vat, and not just fix there and some other things, the war is no matter what, but it is a huge opportunity, that is, if and to actually start a full-scale reform , then most likely there is no better time, but when they are starting to set deadlines and there. and as mr. shmigel recently said in two years, we will be in the european union, in which two years , well, that is, the question is very open there, tax reform will be carried out already this year. and what do we mean by tax reform? and actually the hetmantsev will continue to squeeze taxes from everyone who somehow tries to work. well, this is not a reform, that

is, there are very generalists here. they do not give an opportunity to evaluate . rather than fanning expectations , this is very reminiscent of the fact that the government constantly promises us that friends, no compromises, the war until the liberation of the entire ukrainian territory, in particular crimea, is good, cool . what is the time period? then let's say frankly that the war can last for years and we need to be strong and do we need a tax reform then? and we need it like blood from the nose because with the inefficient use of the resource that we have now and its constant reduction greater dependence on international loans, in fact, we really, really need

to move from the moment of soliciting business to servicing business and stimulating it in order to give the opportunity to earn first and then pay so as not to interfere with the economic activities, but this is, well, i agree with kateryna completely, this is such a complex and multifaceted scheme, and the topic. i apologize that when the government says there, well, or there is the president's office, it's a separate story in general, yes, in all respects , the president's office before the tax reform, in our country , the president is responsible for foreign policy with national security and when the president's office talks about what the government should say, well , the question arises, our government is like this, let 's dissolve it, as they now want to dissolve the ministry. let the office directly decide what, how. tax reform, because we in the parliament have not yet seen any proposals from the president or the cabinet of ministers on changing the tax approach system from

the public, we have seen recommendations from the world bank from the international monetary fund, we are only reading from the government the terms of when we will do it what will we do about it well, here is more the question and the answer is in this statement and whether it is possible to do it during the war. well , to be honest, it is not something that can be done, but it must be implemented during the reconstruction period, when we will understand, and in principle, how much business it remains how we should stimulate what kind of business, but already now we can work out this vision and even , to put it bluntly, sell it like this, that is, show it now to people who are planning to try these difficult conditions, think not only about tomorrow, not only about the next counteroffensive and a little ahead that the state will support, how the state will stimulate business , it will be critically necessary to stimulate it, again, we are moving the european union, so we will compete

with europeans in which it did not exist. that is, we we still need to look for some paternalistic and protective measures on the part of the state, no matter how it sounds from the mouth of a person with a fairly liberal view of the economy, and we are already talking about it with our european partners , but all this is not yet visible, so whether it is possible to do it or not what to do with this critical question, because something can be done already this year , today in the united states, the federal court in the state of manhattan allowed the prosecutor's office to confiscate five and a half million of a russian businessman in favor of ukraine konstantin malafeeva, who is known for his active participation in the violation of the territorial integrity of our country, this is a small amount , of course, but to what extent can it be considered that this is already an idea that the money of russian oligarchs can now be spent on helping ukraine, which is already starting to become legally justified mrs.

kateryna. do you think that it is necessary to divide the money of potential natural persons of oligarchs and abroad, who are not only now at the beginning of a full-scale invasion, but also many people often say that there is other money that is related to russia, which should go there for the needs of ukraine in the future, reconstruction is very good and very good, even though it is a full-scale invasion . nevertheless , both sanctions and the potential confiscation of russian funds are very actively discussed in the international arena, and even more so, not only the confiscation of the possibility of transferring these funds to the needs of ukraine, and especially to the needs of the reconstruction of ukraine, however , unfortunately, international, international, our partners in general, the world, as it turned out, is not ready, there are no

tools, how to do it all, there is no tools, such as sanctions and certain freezing of the activities of russians abroad, and even more confiscation of this money, transferring it to the needs of ukraine. unfortunately , in the eu, our international partners did not have answers to these questions, and since february 24, many things have been discussed there were many ideas, both among the european union and in america, and here is exactly the court decision . yes, for example, in the united states of america, it shows that it is very slow, but the movements are still there, but it cannot be noted that there is a lot that is not yet here it is resolved, only potentially these funds can be confiscated here, then the question will arise, they are confiscated there, yes , what is happening in the united states of america, and how can this money be legally correctly transferred to the same ukraine in me so that we can use

it there to direct it to the needs of reconstruction , for example, and the more it develops there are conversations on this topic, the more questions there are. and i would say it is possible with such positive expectations if we ukrainians would like well , for example, ukraine of the european union very it is difficult to move away from the idea that any confiscations should take place exclusively in criminal cases . and these are years or maybe decades that must pass before we somewhere in ukraine can even hope to receive this money, and secondly, there is a question that we we often hear about sanctions, sanctions of various countries against a number of oligarchs, russian figures and russian assets that are located in other countries, nevertheless , these are sanctions, a sanction is not a mechanism of punishment , a sanction is a mechanism aimed primarily at eliminating certain actions from

of a person on whom sanctions are imposed or from the country with which this person is associated, this is not a mechanism of confiscation in the europeans , in the americans, in which for example, europeans are more likely to take away, criticized in many procedures , the question arises and how to legally translate the same, for example, sanctions against the same oligarchs into direct confiscation , and so far there is no direct answer to these questions, that is why it is so natural that the decision of the court of the united states of america regarding a specific person is wonderful. this it means that we continue to look for ways, it means that there are definitely opportunities there, a-a , what are our international partners looking more deeply into, i would not much a-a positive , well, not much, with great expectations, i looked at such signs, such decisions, eh

foreign courts yes, are there any statements from our international partners? moreover, there is also the question of transferring this money to the needs of ukraine , for which needs, for example , there were recently discussed legislative initiatives in the united states of america regarding the potential transfer of funds for aid of ukraine, russian oligarchs there or russian individuals, but well, we cannot guarantee that the usa will also transfer these funds, for example, not to reconstruction, or that these funds will be transferred to those activities that, for example , inside the country will be considered a priority, they may be completely different there from the representatives of the state sector to some projects that are directly there, i don't know, from funded by the americans to actually anything, that is, there

are still many questions, and how this implementation will be directly. well, i emphasize the last thing since this is not a matter of tomorrow or the day after tomorrow, we cannot rely exclusively on these funds, for example, when we talk about the potential reconstruction of the country. further support of the actual aggression in ukraine is already an achievement , well, that is, because these resources are blocked around the world, canada has adopted a separate law that allows the actual procedure of even the transfer, but now it is looking for a judicial way how to do it so that it is not appealed later and the whole system does not fall into the baltic countries, in principle, they are ready to transfer, as they say, even by extrajudicial means, but well, this will not be a precedent, we

have a good uh-uh moment when the euro and the european bureaucrat and the european commission recommended member countries to consider the circumvention of sanctions yes, because i agree with kateryna , sanctions in the world are perceived as prevention . that is, we understand that there is some resource that can be used for something evil, money from drug trafficking, which, again, can to generate traffic there are actually russian russian assets that can once again help buy missiles, chips and kill ukrainians, we block prevention and if the owners start to go around like this, then accordingly it is already a crime and even then, according to this right , you can charge assets, transfer them, use them, etc. in fact, such a proposal from ukraine as you propose to move from the sanction to the transfer of these

funds to you. what experience do you have in this direction? of the european court of human rights, because all this will be challenged, and there is restrained optimism, and the world is blocking huge courses that the russians and russians could use for the war. but in order to get these funds and stop the russians, we still need to work and to work and here in the ukrainian government, it is not that there are no certain achievements , even today there was a decision of the highest anti-corruption court on its own seizure in favor of the state of the assets of one of the russian oligarchs, but we also need systemic solutions, and here it is ours the responsibility and responsibility of the government and the responsibility of the international all

these sanctions groups ah macro fair about to propose a mechanism that the europeans who don't really want to transfer funds , especially countries like switzerland and austria where the russians feel in principle quite good, oh well but this is not the first time for them. there, we remember the position of switzerland in the second world war, so in this case, a lot of work is expected , but even these steps to freeze and if they should not be overestimated, if there is no joy that tomorrow there will be millions and our armed forces will help us recover , then in principle this is a positive measure and further blocks the measure and further a-a is ready to transfer. well , as a priority, i also agree with kateryna that it is much easier to work with sovereign resources of russia, frozen assets , and the central bank, they are also huge, and here we need to make a decision very quickly

, and in principle propose a solution to our international partners, who will rather wait for our proposals than to actively act on the transfer process thank you, mr. yaroslav, let me remind you that we spoke with yaroslav yurchyshyn, people's deputy of ukraine, on november 1 of the committee of the verkhovna rada of ukraine on the issue of corruption policy, the catenary regime of the executive director's design also works international ukraine, thank you for participating in this broadcast at such a late hour, i have a few minutes to answer a few questions and enlighten me to comment on the information regarding the visit of the head of the cia to kyiv . by the way, moscow is said to offer peace in exchange for land. by the way, russia also denies that this is possible. what other interesting things are they not telling us? i think that they are not telling you a lot of things . the real essence of politics is that people do not know much about its real mechanisms . that is why all archives are made public 50-100 years after the end of those or

other events, it is absolutely normal for politics, because you have to realize that what you watch on youtube, listen to the experts , all these dimensions are forged, it has nothing to do with the real world at all education is really related to war. when armies stand against each other, this is a reality. closed shuttle diplomacy is also a reality. people are not told about it . but this is also information from washington, congratulations on the visit , no, no, it was not reported whether he was in moscow .

it is absolutely obvious how far the content was, we do not know whether such an option could have been discussed, we could have discussed it again at the beginning of our conversation, if you have heard we talked about a war of attrition, you also have to be realistic , a war of attrition began, as a military expert assessed the mobilization resource, this is also an absolute reality if we cannot destroy the russians mobilized by geometric progression, the war will go on in arithmetic, the day will come when there will be no ukrainians who can fight the russians, what will happen enough to occupy the territories of three such countries as countries. this is also a reality, the reality is that the more modern technology there is, the fewer such chances there will be. it is also obvious that the west can offer vladimir putin to end the war already today on certain conditions when putin says no, i'm sorry, i'm not going to. i'm going to beat them tanks i'm not going i 'm going to beat them after the next

offer planes i'm not going i'm going to beat them something else so we come, in principle of logic, to the possibility of a conflict between nato russia, when both sides sit and say, well, in principle, we are ready for a nuclear war. well, someone can say yes first . it is better that 20 million russians die between we will lose this battle. wants because sooner or later she will destroy anyway. can we get to such a moment ? everything will happen whether or not the americans want it. in principle, they may want what could happen not to happen, because if there is a war between russia and ukraine and a

war between china and taiwan at the same time. to see two major conflicts at the same time that will require huge resources an incredible level of economic recession will begin the world you knew by 2022 will never return you will see this level of crisis in to the western world, which we saw only during the recession or before consideration. do the americans want to prevent this? of course you want to. who likes this? will they be able to prevent it? god will not be able to prevent it. historical processes are such a thing that sometimes politicians can't do anything about them, but together we see that we have entered on the 100th anniversary of the great wars at least the first half of it will be so, well, interesting, very old-fashioned , interesting to live in such global historical processes, which have not been for god knows how long , but not comfortable. do americans want them they want to be comfortable, or can they believe that in order for them to be comfortable, they can sacrifice

a part of the ukrainian territory, but preserve ukrainian statehood in conditions when statehood can also disappear, can this be the case, or is it interesting to the russians, they are not interesting to the russians, they are sure that they will conquer all of ukraine, these russians who they are waging a war of putin companies, it just takes time what failed in three years will succeed in three in three days will succeed in three years what failed in three years will succeed in 13 what is the hurry these are such people and we we see that they enjoy the support of the public, but the readiness of the russians to fight for the destruction of ukraine is met with the readiness of ukraine to fight for the liberation of ukraine, this is such an expansionist conflict, so to speak , one of the states must remain on the political map of the world. it will not remain . with this understanding, i immediately tell you that anything can happen, but the question is not at all secret diplomacy, the question is only

one, whether the armed forces of ukraine will be able to liberate the territory of ukraine from the enemy and whether after that, ukraine will be given security guarantees that will prevent a new war between russia and ukraine, or will the russian army be able to conquer ukrainian territory or will it be forced to leave it, this is the reality , politics is over, everything is determined solely by force, and only force can stop russia and the attempt to recreate the soviet union in its terrible i hope that justice will win historically and the reluctance of aggression. thank you, friends, until the next meetings on this air

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