[000:00:00;00] the draft law that is being implemented there, system uh, um, electronic loading of transport, which comes in, which comes out, the synchronization of our actions there with the polish czech republic and similar customs, yes. that is, we are changing the rules by changing the rules. we are sure that we can follow these rules and who, god forbid, will not cleaning on the hand will immediately correspond to inevitability. punishment and normal adequate rules are much better than the punishment itself, because we can punish a unit, but we need to change really systemic things, otherwise we will continue to go into verticals of the permanent fight against corruption because corruption can be prevented it is much more effective and corruption can be punished only when it is an exception to the case, unfortunately , so far we are still at the stage of rebuilding the mechanism

for preventing the creation of such rules that would not allow corruption ms. kateryna a ot this story from by the american inspectors general. how much do you think it will help the process in general? the very idea of ​​creating this general inspection of the arrival of the americans is also something absolutely for ukrainian history. i think that all this history will also bring an important communication and certain ethereal component that we can see that our international partners follow what is happening in ukraine, follow the reforms, and here also directly, someone will come there and follow the spending of funds of american taxes and there may be some consequences of this control. i think that this is the most important component of this idea and this kind of innovation to talk about

the effectiveness of the implementation of this mechanism on the part of our international partners as a it's too early for me now, because ah, after all, their ability to influence the situation is limited in ukraine, again, there is a direct punishment of the corrupt. just the moment that will add creates a certain pressure on the representatives of the authorities, a certain pressure on those who are interested in circumventing the existing anti-corruption restrictions, well, it also creates additional, additional control, or at least understanding what he can be er for of all the participants in the processes of government

officials, etc., but if we are not ready to build an effective anti-corruption system within the country, we are not ready to build those processes that will be aimed at preventing potential corruption, then expect that ah, our partners are international, because of the creation of any additional inspectors there, i want controlling bodies to solve our problems, i think that neither ukrainians nor the same international partners are interested in this, so we still have to direct the work in the first place state bodies and other e-e participants in the process of fighting corruption to build a more effective anti-corruption system in our country e-e and for example, regarding the systematic approach to the fight against corruption , how many of us adopted an anti-corruption strategy in the country and how many years did the country live without an anti-corruption strategy with with what

pains and with what er, well, with what obstacles is the state anti-corruption program being adopted now. and today, the fact that it is not supported by the government is just a testimony, well , an example of how ready our state is to systematically fight corruption and is ready to systematically solve the issue, not with beautiful pictures of suspicion searches, etc., which very often do not end with court verdicts, and if it does end with court verdicts, well , no, no, no, this does not prove that, in reality, a person who was found guilty of corruption crimes, were there to sit behind bars, give up their property, and the like, so there is no need to hope that foreigners will be able to do our job better than us. and what do you think

, mr. yaroslav, how general is this the inspection can in principle help , well, its function to help is actually for us on the one hand a huge positive because this is how our american partners say so we will provide serious help and we are even ready to invest the funds of the taxpayers of the united states in order for you to create an additional control mechanism for you but the whole logic is that even the appointment of robert storch as the head of this group of expert auditors and inspectors shows that the united states attracts people who are very are developing well in what is in ukraine and as an auxiliary mechanism they even give the opportunity to ukrainians to contact

representatives of the united states. there is no telephone line specially allocated for reporting corruption . friends will set their own conditions more clearly, or you work and move, or we will be forced to review the efficiency and intensity of work with you, so on the one hand you know that the states are doing such a control mechanism positive we are here seriously for a long time, we are really ready to help you and the resources that we will direct to reconstruction are significant, we are ready to create even additional border forces, and after all, this is not the first time, because not long ago, the united states ordered an external audit of the deload company on how effectively weapons are used which is submitted to ukraine and the auditors have confirmed that

there are no russian manipulations about the non-targeted use of destruction and the like, even without any grounds, everything is clearly used with high quality, i really hope that the results of the work of this group of inspectors will be similar. but it is extremely important for us to show the results for us. there is no one in the world . that before the war, when mr. zelensky first met with joe biden, he had such a frank answer to journalists' questions that, you know, they know a lot about my moments, too much, but now he will know even better

and more deeply, but with the aim of helping us until the moment we are ready. we will solve our own problems, mrs. kateryna, in principle . so when they say that tax reform can be carried out this year, do you believe in the possibility of tax reform during the war, a good question. i think that definitely any the reforms are so big yes, and systemic, like the tax reform , which we have already been talking about not for the first day, uh, well, it should not disappear from the agenda simply, well, during the war . moreover, other reforms. we continue to move forward. yes, and certain actions are taking place, uh, but to hope that such a huge comprehensive reform will happen and also in the restrictions that we are currently seeing due to the martial law . well, honestly, i am not very optimistic. do we need to start it

? there is how fast it will be, how much political will there will be, not only to say something nicely and to take certain communication measures on this matter, but here i would not be very optimistic about this . and you, mr. yaroslav, what do you think, why is this topic of tax reform now it arose at the moment when it is not at all clear what will happen to business, what will happen to the possibility of private entrepreneurs, they are already talking about the need to review these popish schemes. disappears in front of our eyes. well, we actually need to show those who want to do business in ukraine because of the extraordinary conditions but continue to do business in ukraine that the state hears them and give certain incentives . look, after the war it will be better. yes, vat they will return it if there is still vat and not just fixing some other

things there, the war is no matter what, but it is a huge opportunity, that is, if you actually start a full-scale reform, then most likely there is no better time, but when they start setting deadlines and there and as mr. shmigel recently said, in two years we will be in the european union, but in what two years , well, the question is very open there , the tax reform will be carried out already this year. taxes from everyone who somehow tries to work. well, this is not a reform, that is, there are very generalists here. they do not give an opportunity to evaluate. we did not see the concept of what i want to do , how they want to change the relationship between business and the state, but this is what we should talk about, and, uh, start raising expectations.

it reminds me a lot of the fact that the government constantly promises us that we are friends, no compromises, the war until the liberation of the entire ukrainian territory, in particular the crimea, is good, cool. the whole society agrees with what resources and what time period. frankly, the war can last for years and we need to be strong if we need a tax reform. and we need it like the blood of wear and tear, because with the inefficient use of the resource that we have now and its constant reduction , we are even more dependent on international borrowing. and it is very necessary to move from the moment of solicitation of business to the service of business and stimulation in order to give the opportunity to earn first and then to pay so as not to interfere with economic activity, but that's it. i agree with kateryna

it is quite a complex and multifaceted scheme and topic. i apologize that when the government says there, well, or the president’s office is there , it is a separate story altogether, and what side does the president’s office take before the tax reform? in our country , the president is responsible for foreign policy and national security, and when the president’s office talks about what should the government say? well, the question arises, our government is like this, let's dissolve it as they now want to dissolve the ministry. let the office directly decide what how . we have not seen any proposals from the president or the cabinet of ministers regarding the system of changing the tax approach, we have not seen from the public, we have seen recommendations from the world bank, from the international monetary fund, we only read from the government the terms of when we will do it, what will we do about it well, there are more questions, but the answers are in this statement and is it possible to do it during the war ? well, to be honest, it’s not something that can be done, but it must be implemented

during the reconstruction period, when we will understand, in principle, how much business has been preserved, how should we stimulate which business, and but already now we can work out this vision and even, well, to put it bluntly, sell it like this, that is, show it now to people who are planning to try these difficult conditions, think not only about tomorrow, not only about the next counteroffensive . and it will be critically necessary to stimulate it, again , we are moving towards the european union. so we will compete with europeans who did not have it. that is, we still need to look for some, no matter how it sounds from the mouth of a person with enough a liberal view of the economy, but paternalistic and protective measures on the part of the state, and we are already talking about this with our european partners, but all of this well, it is not yet clear whether it is possible to do

, what should be done, this is a critical question, because something can be done already this year, today in the united states in the united states, the federal social security of the state of manhattan allowed the prosecutor's office to confiscate five and a half million for the benefit of ukraine from the russian businessman konstantin malafeev, who is known for his active participation in the violation of the territorial integrity of our of the country, this is a small amount, of course, but to what extent can it be considered that this is already an idea, er, about the fact that the money of russian oligarchs can now be spent on helping ukraine, which is already starting to become legally justified, mrs. kateryna, do you think that it is necessary to highlight here the money of potential natural persons of the oligarchs? abroad, which is not only now, but at the beginning of a full-scale invasion, many people often say that there is also other money that is connected with russia, that should go there for the needs of ukraine for the future

reconstruction, hmmm, very nice and very good that although from a full-scale invasion, nevertheless, both sanctions and the potential confiscation of the funds of the russians are very actively discussed in the international arena, and even more so , not only the confiscation, but the possibility of transferring these funds to the needs of ukraine, and especially to the needs of the reconstruction of ukraine, however unfortunately, international, international, our partners , the world in general. as it turned out, it is not ready, there are no tools. how to do it, there are no tools. how to transfer, for example, sanctions and certain money freezes russians abroad, and even more so the confiscation of this money, transferring it to the needs of ukraine well, unfortunately, our

international partners did not have answers to these questions, and since february 24, a lot of things were discussed , there were many ideas, both among the european union and in america, and that's exactly the court's decision. yes, for example, in the united states of america , it shows that it is very slow, but the movements where, however , it cannot be noted that there is a lot that has not yet been resolved, it is only potentially that these funds can be confiscated here, then the question will arise, they are confiscated there for the case that is happening in the united states of america. and how can this money be legally correctly transferred to the same ukraine in me so that we can use it there to direct it to the need for reconstruction , for example, uh, and the more it develops and there are conversations on this topic, the more questions there are and i would say it is possible with such positive expectations if we ukrainians wanted you. well , for example, ukraine of the european union is very difficult to move away from the idea that any

confiscations should take place exclusively in criminal cases. decades that must pass before we somewhere in ukraine can even hope to receive this money, and secondly, here is something that we often hear about the sanctions of various countries against a number of oligarchs , figures of russia and russian assets which are in other countries, nevertheless, these are sanctions, the sanction is not a mechanism of punishment, the sanction is a mechanism that is primarily aimed at eliminating certain actions from the person on whom sanctions are imposed or from the country with which this person is associated not is a mechanism of confiscation in europeans and americans, in which, for example, europeans are more likely to confiscate, many procedures are criticized , and the question arises of how to legally

translate, for example, the same sanctions against the same oligarchs into direct confiscation, and so far there are no answers well, there is no direct answer to these questions, so of course what happened is the decision of the court of the united states of america regarding a specific person, it is wonderful. i wouldn't want to look deeper into what they are looking at. well, not much . i looked at such signs with high expectations, at such decisions of foreign courts. yes, there are some statements from our international partners, moreover, there is still a question to convey. this money for the needs of ukraine, for what needs, for example, there was recently discussed legislative initiatives in the united states of america regarding

the potential transfer of funds to help ukraine by russian oligarchs there or russian individuals, but well, we cannot guarantee that the united states will also transfer these the funds, for example, not for reconstruction, or will these funds be transferred to those activities that, for example, within the country will be considered priorities, these can be completely different there from representatives of the public sector to some projects that are directly there, i don’t know, funded by the americans to virtually anything, that is, there are still many questions as to how this implementation will be directly. well, and lastly, i will emphasize once again that this question is not tomorrow, not the day after tomorrow, we cannot rely exclusively on these funds, for example, when we talk about

the potential reconstruction of the country. thank you for mentioning something, mr. yaroslav, but i completely agree. now we have , conditionally speaking, the blocking of funds that could be used to further support actual aggression in ukraine. resource canada has adopted a separate law that allows the procedure itself , even the transfer, but now it is looking for a judicial way, how to do it so that it is not appealed later and the whole system does not fall into the baltic countries, in principle, they are ready transfer, as they say, even by extrajudicial means, but well, this will not be a precedent, we have a good uh moment when the euro and the eurobureaucrat and the european commission recommended to the member countries to consider the circumvention of sanctions yes, because i agree with kateryna , sanctions in the world are perceived as prevention

that is, we understand what is some kind of resource that can be used for what evil, money from drug trafficking, which again can generate traffic there, actually russian russian assets, which can again help buy missiles, chips and kill ukrainians we block prevention and if the owners start to circumvent this, then accordingly it is already a crime and already then under this right you can already collect assets, transfer them to use and the like, and hmm, many people are actually waiting for such a proposal from ukraine, as you propose to move from sanctions to the transfer of these funds to you. what kind of work do you have in this direction? well, i will say that we are also not going very fast, because we have to look back at the practice of the european court of human rights

, because all this will be contested, and the received optimism, and the world is blocking a lot of resources that the russians and russians could use for war. but in order to get these funds and stop the russians, we still need to work and work. and here in the ukrainian government, it is not that there are no certain achievements even today the decision of the higher anti-corruption court on the own recovery for the benefit of the state of the assets of one of the russian oligarchs, but we also need systemic solutions, and here it is our responsibility and the responsibility of the government and the responsibility of all these international groups of sanctions and the macro of the fair about proposing a mechanism that the europeans, who don't really want to transfer funds , especially countries like switzerland and austria , where the russians feel in principle quite good, but this is not

the first time that they have we remember switzerland and the second world war, so in this case a lot of work is expected , but even these steps to freeze and if they are not overestimated, if we are not happy that tomorrow there will be millions and our armed forces will help us restore then, in principle, this is a positive measure and further blocks the measure and further a-a is ready to transfer. well, as a priority, i also agree with kateryna that it is much easier to work with the sovereign resources of russia with frozen assets, and the central bank, oh, they are also huge, and here we need to make decisions very quickly, and here and in principle to propose solutions to our international partners, who will rather wait for our proposals than to actively act on the transfer process

. thank you, mr. yaroslav. of the next committee of the verkhovna rada of ukraine on the corruption policy of kateryna rozhenko of the judges of the executive director international ukraine thanks for participating in this broadcast at such a late hour, i have a few minutes left to answer a few questions, let me comment on the information about the visit of the head of the cia to kyiv by the way, in moscow they say that the position of peace in exchange for land is denied by the united states , by the way, russia also denies it to the extent that this is possible. what other interesting facts are they not telling us i think that you are not told a lot of things, the essence of real politics is that people don't get much video about its real mechanisms , that's why all archives are made public 50, 100 years after certain events end, it's absolutely normal for politics there already, you have to realize that what you are watching on youtube listen to the experts , all these dimensions are forged, it has nothing to do with the real world, so education is really related to war. so when

armies stand against each other, this is reality closed shuttle diplomacy is also a reality, the fact that people are not told about it is also a reality , it has always been and will be as long as there is a political world, was there a director of the cia in kyiv? we know what happened, but this is also information from washington. it was reported whether he was in moscow, we do not know this , there is no information, there is only one tuli harzeit , whether he offered similar options, he could listen to the option , he could offer something. we could have discussed it again at the beginning of our conversation, if you heard we talked about the war of attrition, you also have to be realistic , the war of attrition began, the way military experts assessed the mobilization resource is also an absolute reality if, uh, we will not

be able to destroy the russian mobilized by geometric progression the war will go into arithmetic, the day will come when there will be no ukrainians who will be able to fight the russians, which will be enough to buy the territories of three such countries as countries. this is also a reality, a reality that the more modern technology there is, the fewer such chances there will be, the same is obvious, that's why the west can offer vladimir putin to end the war already today on certain conditions when putin says no, i'm sorry, i'm not going to i'm going to beat them tanks i'm not going to i 'm going to beat them after the next offers airplanes i'm not going i'm going to defeat them something else so we come, in principle , logically, to the possibility of a conflict between nato and russia when both sides sit and say , well, in principle, we are ready for a nuclear war well

someone first can say yes let 20 million russians die between we will lose this battle americans path yes let 20 million americans europeans die between us let russia do whatever it wants because it will destroy us sooner or later anyway can we come to that of the moment yes, we can and can this moment play out on ukrainian soil , nothing can be ruled out now, we are only at the beginning, nothing has happened yet, it will all just happen or the americans want it so that what can happen, in principle, does not happen, they can want because if there is a war between russia and ukraine and a war between china and taiwan at the same time, this will create a completely new situation , or can it be absolutely, those two wars can coincide and we will see two big conflicts at the same time that will require huge resources, an incredible level of economic recession will begin in that world which you knew by 2022 will never come back you

will see a level of crisis in the western world that we have only seen in times of recession or where to consider do americans want to prevent this of course, who wants to like this, or can they prevent it? god will not be able to. historical processes are such a thing that sometimes politicians can’t do anything about them. together we see that we have entered the 100th anniversary of the great wars. at least the first half of it will be so interesting, very old-fashioned interesting to live in such global historical processes, which have not existed for god knows how much, but it is not comfortable. ukrainian territory, but to preserve ukrainian statehood in conditions when statehood can also disappear, can this be the case, is it interesting to the russians, i am not interested in it, the russians are sure that they will conquer all of ukraine, these russians who are waging a war of road companies just need time

, what failed in three years will succeed in three in three days will succeed in three years what failed in three years will succeed in 13 what is the rush these are such people and we see that they enjoy the support of society but on the readiness of the russians to fight for the destruction of ukraine ukraine's willingness to fight for the liberation of ukraine is coming across. this is such an ex-constant conflict, so to speak, one of the states must remain on the political map of the world. it will not remain. no, do not expect it, at least in that form, so in this sense, i tell you right away, anything can happen, but the question does not have secret diplomacy at all, the only question is whether the armed forces of ukraine will be able to liberate the territory of ukraine from the enemy and whether after that security guarantees will be provided to ukraine

that will prevent a new war against russia of ukraine, or will the russian army be able to conquer ukrainian territory or will it be forced to leave it, this is the reality, politics is over, everything is determined exclusively by force, and only force can stop russia and the attempt to recreate the soviet union in its terrible stalinist version. i hope that historical justice and the unwillingness of the aggressors will prevail. thank you, friends, until the next meetings on this broadcast . good luck . i congratulate you. dear viewers, on the air of the espresso tv channel, the program, the studio, the event, our first guest, matthew bryza, ex-advisor united states secretary of state , former director of the