[000:00:00;00] then the experts say that it is possible to retreat, that the goal has been achieved, they ground the necessary number of russians under bakhmut, which was the goal set by the top leadership, and now it can occupy the next line of defense. and they say that there are eight lines of defense near bakhmut . experts who say to fight to the last in the ukrainian tradition there is no such thing as fighting there to the end to the last fighter, but we understand that we are fighting by destroying the enemy as much as possible and trying to preserve the life and health of our of people relating to bakhmut bakhmut has without a doubt become a symbol of modern war and of course he is made a symbol in the russian ideological machine now and it is clear that he performed his role as a meat grinder and is performing it and

of course we understand that we are weighing on the one hand the price of a settlement that was almost completely destroyed and on the other hand, the price of tens and hundreds of thousands of our soldiers, and it is good that the ukrainian army in the armed forces of ukraine and the defense forces of ukraine, they constantly consider at what price we are given its protection to this or that piece of ukrainian land. i understand that the ukrainian military power now has the possibility of flexible defense for maneuverable defense, and when the question arises of destroying our tens of thousands of soldiers or leaving this or that small settlement, the question will be decided in the end by weighing both of these categories, so bakhmut is not a fetish in ukrainian in ukraine, but bahmut and a city that is being defended and i think that there are still opportunities to defend it effectively in the same way by grinding

tens of thousands of russian soldiers as before thank you ivan varchenko military serviceman the security express of the armed forces of ukraine was with us once again . ivan thank you. and we are moving to more international circumstances. an invitation, but look at these very simple questions, and maybe not so simple. the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine says that iran has crossed the border and ukraine is ready to break diplomatic relations, so that it means, you know he is an outcast, speaking in russian, yes, he has iran, and he has a lot of sanctions , a lot of problems. well, there is such a small

problem, the ukrainians will stop diplomatic relations. well, in 1979, if i am not mistaken , the americans stopped diplomatic relations with iran and nothing and the rank is alive and well and i won’t say that it is flourishing but well it is alive why is it so important now is it really important well this is a diplomatic diplomatic step actually speaking ukraine-iran relations they were difficult starting after the downing of the plane when iran initially rejected its own fault, then delayed the investigation, then delayed the compensations, that is, we had complicated relations with the tyrann, in fact , the downing of the plane started there during the last few years, these relations have reached such a dead end now after iran handed over the shaheds and baristic missiles of the russian federation, respectively. of course , it is not worth maintaining some diplomatic relations, some channels of communication, and it would be worth

doing to break diplomatic relations. how only we have proven the fact that the russians used shaheds against ukrainian cities and our infrastructure, now it is obvious that all the evidence has been handed over by international experts, all the points have been made and the international expertise has also put zaz to a certain extent in need of formalizing our position in the form of breaking diplomatic relations, in addition to the fact that iran refuses from any negotiations and investigations, secondly, iran continues to supply these shaheds, moreover, there is information that ram has transferred a limited number of ballistic missiles that are designed with such strike at the ukrainian infrastructure, accordingly, it is impractical to maintain any relations to communicate with this regime , moreover, it is necessary to do as much as possible so that iran feels the sanctions regime and support

the protest process that is taking place in this country, see mr. vitaly. and if you try to go there to tehran in the central like this it's called the government quarter well , americans and europeans are bad here, sanctions are bad here, sanctions are bad, ukraine is sanctions , what do they think, what can they think, people over there in tehran behavior, well, absolutely illogical, well, ukraine will join, yes, something else, well, it will help the russians even if it starts buying martyrs and ballistic missiles, well, it’s a couple of tens of millions of dollars. well, it won’t save iran, which is burning both inside and outside , it’s bad for them everywhere, well, let’s go we will also offend ukraine, the logic here is straightforward, because early

on it sees itself as such a united front together with russia and china against the west of the collective , therefore, here it is obvious that there is such a partnership line of relations with the moscow regime with china to resist the collective event, participation in the conflict, opposition to the event is the strategic interests of the current ruling regime in tehran, therefore, participation in supplies, support for russia, participation in the supply of martyrs and missiles - this is exactly what it is, this is participation in confrontation with the collective event , iran is not at war with ukraine, iran is at war with the collective event with israel and the collective action that stands behind this very israel . actually, the logic here is only this . of course, for the iranian society

, all these stories are written, they are not mobilization drive, moreover, a large part of the young generation of iranians is not in the grip of this organizational propaganda , it protests, it tries to do it, there are whole neighborhoods where the police do not stumble, there is the guard corps of the islamic revolution guards, but all this is a shameful wave, it is not enough to change the regime, that is why there are such two two wounds, one iran is in the area of ​​the household of some such liberal component, and the other rank is iran political and wound of the current regime, which is obviously trying to raise the stakes really ukrainian sanctions against early they will not have significant consequences because all attempts at technological cooperation between ukraine and tyran have been stopped since the 14th year, we turned our activity and cooperation, in fact, the trade turnover with zran e-e

has decreased during the last four years and for the past year e on the 22nd, it fell significantly , so talk about how we can hurt iran. well, in my opinion , there are no such economic levers, they are only political, this is cooperation with israel on the delivery of pinpoint strikes on objects the same chessboards are created by drones, the exchange of intelligence information with a country that is directly waging a war, hybrid seeds that launch missile and, let's say, strikes on the military infrastructure of the morning, and precisely on those objects that are built by the same drones the most realistic missiles are one important issue. i apologize for crossing, but then it turns out that we see elements

of such self-suggestion as in russia in iran because when iran stood side by side with the arrest of the arab world well, more precisely, they are not arabs they are persians, but they stood with muslims next to muslims and said that israel is bad, now we see that the configuration is changing a little, we see contacts with saudi arabia and the united arab emirates. in short , arab countries join israel in opposing iran, what can we count on if israel stands against iran, when the arab emirates stands against iran, when there is a row, i.e. saudi arabia and not only these countries are next to them , the united states is next to them in one way or another europe is standing and there is simply no counting on

what then what is in the head of the huyorans or did they just imagine themselves like putin and there is a product that we have supporters, we are still god loves us and we will defeat this beast called the united states and the western world, well, certain answers to these questions can be found in the iranian analytical publications of their so-called analytical state centers, where they indicate that any loosened measures in this war of russia against ukraine are in the strategic interests and wound because then the focus of attention will shift to russia and iran was will be able to achieve certain strategic advantages if you translate it from the language of diplomatic conspiracies of analysts to the usual. this means that while russia will fight with a collective measure and the rank will have time to conclude a favorable

agreement with the same european union the second is finding common partnership points with e-e for the construction or purchase by iran of a-e russian fighters, the creation of production e-e processes for the construction of ballistic missiles and the development of other e-e hm weapons of the same drones because russia is investing now eh, the production of these drones is precisely in iran, the interaction with china is active practically now and ram is turning into one of the key partners of china in the regions . of the fundamental shiite regime, iran was an ally of israel in this region, that is, the situation has changed now , diametrically opposite, and those who were

previously enemies of israel are now partners in dialogue, and iran positions itself as the main adversary is the adversary is israel, and moreover, they wanted to point out that , by and large, the war waged by iran is not a war . by the iranian proxy with the support of the hussites against the saudi government in yemen, that is, their main focus is there, their direct war is taking place there, where advisers and the iranian military machine and iranian weapons also participate, and in the russian front is one of the small elements of the political , so emphasized, political loyalty to this axis between moscow and the general and beijing, although it

probably exists only in the eyes of moscow itself or the tiger itself, yes, i also always suspected that it is yemen that is the main thing the main front, one more question, can you believe the americans and jews who say that the nuclear program of iran is realistic, that i can spend some time, maybe a year, maybe two, and it will become a reality , this is a nuclear program, and it will be real and soon nuclear weapons here i have written that they enrich uranium up to 60% , and we need to enrich much more as far as we can believe because we remember iraq about which everyone said that there was some kind of nuclear or chemical or other weapons, then we looked at nothing

of the kind there are no amounts that would threaten humanity, and now we are suspicious of the american and european special services. what you say is that we can trust the europeans, the americans, and israel, first of all, who say that under no circumstances should it be allowed to enrich uranium in such a way that it would receive a nuclear bomb tomorrow or the day after tomorrow, mr. vitaly, well, it’s not just a question, i’ve been making a bomb for a long time, how dirty it is, i’ve been able to make a wound bomb for a long time, and now the question is, how much can a war of charges make , how much is the system for their delivery, how much is this process of creating nuclear weapons, a tactical child weapons can be closed, that is, actually be independent from russian technologies, for example, if north korea managed to create it, then, strictly speaking, iran has such potential and industrial intellectual

in order to enter a closed national er, the cycle of developing its own tactical nuclear weapons as soon as it succeeds in this, and it and he can succeed in this, especially if the situation in ukraine drags on, if russia receives at least something that can sell the light as an actual victory, then the chaos of seasonal relations will begin, then the countries which have the potential for the production of weapons of mass destruction will begin to create them despite all the sanctions limiting the threat of intervention and other things and then will obviously speed up the creation of such nuclear weapons for themselves and it will create, it will really close this cycle . therefore, they are serious, i would not discount them, well, the last question, if possible , a short answer to that, but the question will not be short, but the picture you drew. this

picture is explosive for the world, are there any forces that can e- what if these forces of evil were somehow kept under control or, well, kept in some form so that what you say does not happen, because if everyone starts making nuclear weapons, if iran makes them, if it remains a friend of russia , iran plus russia, and there i am, where there are no weapons, there are... is israel will not stand aside and so on and so on and this is how the principle will be that the mines will scatter all over the whole world or are there forces that can detain them well, we hunt with big masks yes we are not talking about certain conventions that restrain iran sanctions are economic isolation, this is a certain embargo, this is the impossibility to go beyond the borders of one's region, this is the issue of the caucasus, the confrontation with azerbaijan, for example, now it is the issue of internal instability, political ethnic problems, this is the issue of the confrontation with the

scaravi court, all these factors affect era that is, the fact that ivan will follow the path of allied relations with russia is unlikely, because iran has its own interests in the south caucasus in central asia. from the vision of russia, by the way, to the fact that russia has a military base in the south caucasus in azerbaijan in the north caucasus, garnet also has his own interests and those whom he would like to have as his allies and partners, and he also opposes russia , i.e., to go along the path of recklessly joining the axis and is not going to attack early either. this is a certain game . they will be able to convince opec

plus profitable decisions for themselves it will be a plus where and the wound if and the morning it will be possible to soften the sanctions lunch find a way which bypass in the form of let's say some kind of understanding of the scarab garden has been reached they they will go for it in exchange for a decrease in activity in the russian direction, that is, there are many factors that are more important for iran than just ideological support of russia in the war against collective action. thank you, vitaliy kolik , a political scientist, director of the center for researching civil society problems, was with us. thank you very much, and we went on, we went to people 's deputy of ukraine, member of the verkhovna rada committee on the organization of state power , local self-government, regional development and urban planning oleg dunda i hope a will appear now and we good health, mr. oleg. thank you for passing by. or maybe in the future you are just a people's deputy, right? in all these realities

, everything that you have heard before this is canceled oleg , stupid deputy. it didn't seem to us that a forum of the indigenous peoples of russia was held in the european parliament and five regions of the russian federation are preparing a referendum for independence and february 16. as far as i understand that this is the day you are in general it is the day of lovers and here it will be the day of anti-lovers day of lovers the day that fell in love with russia, suddenly this is koenigsberg, the urals, the urals, siberia and the kuban, it will undoubtedly be such a virtual story, but they think that after the war, after the defeat of russia's war against ukraine, russia will begin to fall apart and how realistic is it and how strong are these organizations that hold or are going

to hold this meeting h in the european parliament and then this vote in different regions of the russian federation, mr. oleg, people 's deputy, please tell us, we know for sure that you are in the know, look first of all, it should be noted that this was announced in the walls the vice-president of the european parliament was present there. the meps were present. the representatives of the baltic governments were present . representatives of various western countries were present. this is also the united states and great britain . a significant share of the western elite was present and it was announced in their presence . accordingly, everyone approved it. therefore, i believe that this is quite a significant step forward and very important, and it will be carried out ; moreover, as far as i know, this vote will be

almost completely in full compliance with of the laws of the russian empire, which provides for such a vote , and then let the people decide how they plan to do it or not. are they ready for the sovereignty of independence or are they not ready? within the limits of the russian empire and believe that in principle they have the right to believe that if they are independent they can be the gateway to the great eurasian continent and become such a northern well, for example, what do we have in southeast asia, uh, hong kong, malaysia, malaysia, or singapore, right in singapore , right, very appropriate, a kind of northern singapore. for example, the zbalti countries or, for example, gdansk, with which they can be compared. well, this applies to iral and siberia

, which i did not collect, and relatively still , i note that recently, sometime this week , most of the propagandists of the russian empire began to swindle the simonians howl and shout about the fact that it is necessary to win the war from ukraine, because if the russian empire loses it, it will definitely lead to the collapse of the russian empire and their state, then the empire they know will not exist. this was denied in any way, mr. oleg, look how serious it is. what i mean, we can imagine. i understand that there are no numbers . how many people? well, let's assume that in chechnya , it is obvious that half of the yakkeria will rise against kadyrov as soon as there is such an opportunity in

he has blood relatives, half of whom he killed friends and relatives and in some, well, for example, tatarstan, but we can imagine that there are strong people there, i 'm not even saying half, let it be a quarter, let it be 20% , but people who are ready to defend the ideas of independence, is there a box and there will suddenly appear 15, 20, 25% of people who are determined to do this, and we can count on such and such a development of events. what do you think? well , i will remind you that in 90 - year, for example , kyrgyzstan was told that they will be in two years will have independence, it is unlikely that you have publicly seen hmm support for this process there. but in contrast to that, i will use tatarstan 30 years ago now if they see such a capability and see that it

can happen and it is very real, more than 50% support it you don't even you don't even know. you don't feel that there are ethnic warriors inside the russian empire that we don't see publicly. what cities, for example, have millionaires , the same yekaterinburg, where there are fights every day between different ethnic nationalities, there is a lack of acceptance of those russians who consider themselves white people in relation to the buryats, for example, and what hatred there is for them , moreover, it would even seem that in such pro-russian regions , for example, as doori or samara or sarato, the greatest hatred is towards moscow. the question is to direct all this aggression here dissatisfaction with the world is precisely on moscow and it will immediately fall apart, let's remind again the soviet empire at the same time it fell apart at the expense of the first dispute in the baltic countries , now we can play it back. as you mentioned

, for example, chechnya and tatarstan, and so on it will fall asleep by itself, our task is to help them ensure this process, and secondly, to find their kravchuks, the shishkevychs and nazarbayev, who are capable of taking power into their own hands in their regions. oleg, i understood correctly that the idea is not so much to strengthen national national liberation struggles and because moscow itself will begin to decline , weakened, and the regions will watch it. well, if it is weak, then it is time for us to show our strength, not because they will become strong, but because moscow will become weak. you understood correctly. well, including and that's how everything will begin, and it already begins with the national liberation struggle of individual regions of tatarstan or

the ichkeria region of dagestan, where there is a great movement towards national consciousness towards its independence. finances are dying now in the lands of ukraine, they are nailed by the sanctions policy, and who is from karelia or kaliningrad, for example königsberg, there is no point in staying in this empire. they are better off, for example, to go to the european union and donate than to give all the funds and give everything they earned to moscow, it is there. bless you, but the most important factor is that now in the russian empire state management is highly criminalized, that is, if we look at prigozhina, who actually de facto controls three regions, it is bryansk , kursk, belgorod, in fact imposed a tribute on them, they control it due to the fact that it has criminalized structures that amount to 30,000 sheks, according to all other regions, it becomes clear that the government is not

the prosecutor's office, the court or the police, the government is how many of them do you have, and this is according to their legal status, that in 91st year and in 1917 , when everyone will fight against everyone, whoever has more weapons is the one who is the owner and king on this earth, and this is the question of the next year, and oleg just right you said it, i thought i would say it, but you got ahead of me, now the question of weapons arises because we see the ukrainian example of the last maidan, when the ukrainians finally crossed this border, we will stand headlong and against us there will be congratulations and we will not shoot back, we will not and we we see the example of belarus, where they stood in white socks on these benches and they all said, but we are such cultured europeans

, how did it end? nothing will work in the russian regions, it must be understood that if they just go to their maidan by the way, i think that the tatars , they also have the word maidan, it is a tatar word, it is the word from there if they lead to the maidan and stand their heads up oh, we we want changes but we don't want to fight. well, the demon sobr, or whatever they call it there, shoots everyone, everything will end as far as they are willing to go . the path is real and fake, not like the one they have over there. leaders that as soon as they see a million people like lukashenko, lukashenko will fly away . no, he saw a million people. and started shooting at it a million and that's it and won no, this is a slightly different story, this is not about the maidan, this is for criminalization already according to statistics at the end of the 22nd year, bryansk, belgorod, the growth rate

of criminal e-e crimes using of firearms condyle six times that is, it will be a war for everyone against everyone for power, for income, for assets, for enterprises , loot- loot everything you have, when you have another , there will be no need to cry, hope that there will be people on the maidan and to defend there some of their rights of freedom are not there to serve each other for the sake of getting rich , to find money to work off the salary that the local elite pays them, because the local governor and because of this there will be turmoil and interregional wars. the question is that we, together with the west, must find the tool and scheme by which we can close the eyes of these interregional wars and still find those people who are ready to control their regions so that it does not spill out and affect ukraine

, poland, but wait for the maidan as it was in ukraine, it is impossible, completely different people, completely different peoples, with other, er, inclination, precisely with other hopes, there is absolutely no need to compare us, we are not completely different. thank you, oleg dunda , people's deputy of ukraine. told us that not everything is beautiful in the beautiful russia of today, and according to mr. oleg, it will be even worse in the future, that is, count on the beautiful russia of the future, it is hardly possible . so we will now have a short break for what. in order to give the floor to the deputy head of the president's office, igor zhovka who told in an interview with the french tv channel france 24 who and when and whether it is true. this is all ukrainian nadia have hope that they will be able to transfer fighter jets to ukraine. we will now look at it and listen to it. who is very interested