[000:00:00;00] in the eyes of putin, uh, loza, the second point, after all, they support us with the pressure in the pipe. and we do not have a separate trunk system that distributes throughout ukraine, and another system could be used to pump it in. well, now it depends on us whether we will or not we can maintain this pressure, tomorrow we will say that the whole contract is ending . next year, we will fulfill it conscientiously and we will stop it ourselves, we will arrange zero transit . now we will already draw it in from this side. the career of e-e food in exchange for oil in us there in st. petersburg, but now we are reminding about it, and this, in my opinion, is a huge victory and one that should not be given

up at all. we are now provided with oil products for a month and a half ahead of our greed, for now it depends on whether we will let the polish and lithuanian pro-russian holes earn money, even a little bit, they earn a little bit, but i'm saying it again now in them it's not about filling of the budget of russia, they are now filling their agents with future influence, this is my analysis. i am ready to vouch for it. thank you andriy zakrevskyi, the head of the board of the association of oil and gas of ukraine for energy , told us in detail what awaits ukraine, what awaits russia, well, in ukraine, as usual a frog is such a national animal of ukraine very often, and russia in russia is even called a frog . well, they have such a one, but there is president putin instead of a frog

, or maybe it is the same person, so now we have, as we understand it, volodymyr petrovych, people's deputy of ukraine, historian, ex-head, how do we understand the ukrainian institute of national remembrance. good health, mr. volodymyr , nice to see you. thank you for finding time for us on sunday, so watch it. let's start this story with a very simple story. here's a goose. to be honest, i can't understand whether it's time or not. people say that it should be renamed. well, then the question arises. and there is a limit ? i will show you now the example is very beautiful well, not only you and i, the audience, laughed there, where now there is an overdose of an exhibition of best practices

, that is, the vdnkh until the 17th year of 900 , there was a village called sinka. they painted something. well, the communists definitely came and everything had to be renamed, and only then did they call it red-blue. so, what was the village of red-blue? well , it’s clear that it’s absurd, but where is the limit ? understood about he doesn't even mention lenin anymore, but povitroflotskyi, well, the air fleet flies. well, let them fly, maybe ukraine also has air, we also have heroes, maybe somehow ukrainian povitroflotskyi, where is this border, well, the border is obviously defined by us, that is, i think that we are already normally defined in the discussion. i i am glad that there are discussions about various

issues regarding renaming. i am glad that we have already gone far beyond the limits of simple decommunization. that is, we are already talking about getting rid of various kinds of russian and generally soviet stupidity, so poviroflotskyi prospect was not covered of the law on decommunization, but it is definitely a soviet name, it is a name that appeared on the map of kyiv in 1923, in accordance with the decision of the bolshevik authorities at that time to honor the red air fleet of the red air fleet, so it is impossible to see any soviet heritage here. well, it is certainly difficult, that is, if any the desire to honor the air force in the country with some toponym, then let's talk about the air force and not pretend that we do not see this soviet heritage in the name povtroflotskyi prospekt, that's why i for his purposes, i support getting rid of all this soviet and russian heritage as much as possible, and i think that one of the central avenues of kyiv can have a much more interesting and beautiful name than the one he

celebrated in 1923. moreover, again , we perfectly understand that e- what the descendants of this air fleet of the red air fleet with the same capital with our glorious kyiv are doing now, trying to destroy it through bombs and missiles, that is, vladimir, i and i understood you correctly that the idea in general , if it depended on you, let's be to organize discussions during the discussion, to determine something, to see some e-e vectors of development, and if only then to make a decision as a result of the discussions, that is, the discussion is in the first place , what is necessary, why is it necessary, who has what arguments , this is not even an idea. are there any other topics that we are bringing to the public discussion here? the renaming of the air force avenue is still being discussed in social networks. but i hope that we will finally reach the stage when

some proposals for new names and it is obvious that the people of kyiv will form a solution, so it seems to me that the procedures are democratic procedures that are written out and are used in order for kyiv in particular to get rid of this and russian soviet heritage, they are absolutely normal and correct and they give the opportunity to grope this border what should be renamed and what should not be turned over to me as a person who believes that anything that connects us with the soviet past with the russian past is in principle dangerous can be used by russia to prove you see, we are one people, so there should be one side. it seems to me that this kind of thing should be completely fenced off and allowed. then the next question arises: do you see any progress, at least intellectual, at the level of discussion? well, for example, with the vatutin monument . yes, if please note that according to the versions

of many historians, his injury was caused by the organization of ukrainian nationalists, the ukrainian insurgent army , and then in general well, somehow, it looks strange when in the middle of the fighters for ukrainian independence for shooting a russian general, he dies and we put a monument to him somewhere else as you remember, it was written by the ukrainian people, if only in order to emphasize that this is some kind of father -in-law, and here there is a ukrainian people who, on the contrary, love him beautiful vatutin, what do you say, i know. it seems to me that uh, from the ukrainian people, nikolaev vatutin gets his just in april 1944, after being ambushed by the ukrainian rebel army , it is obvious that this monument that appeared in kyiv, the whole cult of vatutin has nothing

in common with the desire of the ukrainians, this is a soviet cult - it is a soviet monument, and it is obviously a conscious decision of the soviet authorities that it is not just a monument - it is a grave , he is really buried there, it is obvious that it was he who was made into a person who was supposed to be a cult of ukrainians, but uh, in the national memory among the ukrainians in vatut remains, in particular, the person who is responsible for presenting kyiv to stalin on the next anniversary of october and this november storming of kyiv-kiss in 1943, which cost hundreds of thousands of lives precisely because nikolayeva vatutin liked joseph stalin, so i think that it is really unlikely that she is the person who deserves to be honored in such a place, a few tens of meters from the ukrainian parliament, and i hope that it will still come to a decision that the monument will be dismantled and nikolay vatutin himself maybe they will rebury him at some instrument maker or as far as i know his relatives are somewhere in russia. maybe they

want him to be reburied in his homeland somewhere in the russian federation, well , i’m just wondering if this is what we’re talking about or it crosses such a practical plane because, well, conventionally speaking, er, to say shors, well, for me, it is debatable, because many artists told me that it really carries some kind of artistic emphasis. that is, i am not against it being removed, but moved somewhere. and many people say let's put it because it is really there the class is a cool sculpture, it's actually about the neighbors . no, nothing at all there, no, i don't have art, there's nothing there, there's an uncle who is unknown to any contemporaries, for example , today, again, when to talk about shchors we are talking about the destruction of this sculpture, we are talking about the fact that it should be removed from public space, and unfortunately, for many years, despite the specific law in force in ukraine, the kyiv authorities do not do this, and now it is alleged that some

commission created under the ministry of culture has become involved in this well, i would like to hope that eventually this situation will move, because otherwise this sculpture really, well, in the end, i will wait for it to be spontaneously dismantled and then it will be destroyed, and then we will talk about whether it was wasn't this sculpture some kind of art model, now there are all possibilities to simply dismantle it and really preserve it in order to experience it in some museum, as for vatutin, yes, this issue is also already being considered by the commission at the level of the ministry of culture , and i, as a people's deputy and one of the initiators so that in the end this issue is resolved in the same way. it seems to me that now all the reasons for not dragging it out somewhere for a long time are the fact that we see uh how reacts to all this deprivation of the soviet us from the soviet the past, how does the russian government react, how does russia react in the occupied territories, where they are trying to rename streets en masse

now, they don't even just return the names of these streets to some soviet figures, but the streets there are returned in relation to platov menzhinsky, some quality and they will fulfill those streets that never existed but even in soviet times, but she is specifically those executioners or kists who distinguished themselves as the biggest ukrainophobes, this is what is happening now in mariupol and in melitopol in other local so far occupied the russian federation. but i just remembered, you told me what was happening there. i remember that vakhtang kipyani once stunned me by saying that, uh, luhansk street is a special meeting, that is, specifically, the executioners, specifically the people who signed the mass executions of tens of thousands, if not hundreds and here

there are in luhansk oso, a street of a person is being defended, and unfortunately it turned out to be a complete continuation of the work of the same person, because it is absolutely a terrorist regime that resorts to extrajudicial repressions, this is a continuation of what was done in the 1930s. unfortunately, we see that there is a direct connection between honoring stalin's efficient manager and trying to apply his methods today. those who honor stalin end up using him . today's methods, the last question is about the five-point system, this movement towards decommunization, de-sovietization, where the soviet destruction of everything soviet , how would you rate ukraine as a whole, what we are seeing now, is it five, is it four, is it four changes, is it three, is it two, i i think it is solid

a four, maybe even a four with a plus, the only thing i would like you to know is that all these processes are no longer connected with decommunization, but with the next stage of decolonization, so that in the end we no longer rely only on some public initiatives, but come to legislative solutions to this issue. you you see that there are draft laws i am the co-author mykola knyazhytskyi i am the co-author of the draft law which can provide a legislative basis for the completion of these processes where colonization as at one time we picked up decommunization spontaneous processes in which we also provided i think that this issue has long been overdue for the parliament to pass the relevant law and then we can talk about a firm five . we found time for us on sunday and let's move on to the answer to the question, we need to figure it out for this , it's not as easy as you think, but i

figured it out but i figured it out well, let 's start with such a question it hangs hangs hangs and i don't no no no nothing not i say what kind of country we need to build in the context of the language dear contributor writes to us do we need to leave only the state language and completely abandon russian in the tenth article of the constitution of ukraine it is about the free use, protection and development of the russian language should this article be changed in the context of today's events as a witness to the adoption of the constitution, i will tell you that this story went together when the pro-european and pro-communist forces tried

to create the constitution during the night, acting accordingly and in to one of the packages and to each other they were making concessions if the yellow-blue flag then thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump exist, as far as i remember, a long, long time ago, it was in one of the packages that the nationalists bargained something for themselves for the european powers, and in return gave something to the communist-socialists, who, as you know, were the majority in the parliament at the time. well, but after all, they adopted a non-communist constitution, what can i tell you, humanitarian issues, in my deep conviction, can

only be resolved in a natural way. it became fashionable that in the 1990s, not in all circles, but the first sprouts appeared. when, oh, oles and marika vashchyshyn was taken out of the student body for the revolution on the border, and somehow the ukrainian language suddenly became so popular among the students, more people began to speak, somehow it became fashionable. and year when it's just that the ukrainian language is gaining strength, which should be a condition of the national language. this is obvious, but if you push in the back, i don't know if it's good or bad , you can push a little here, but it must be done carefully, you understand. i will give a very simple

version of what makes such a story famous, or is a wise person different from a smart person, a smart person will easily get out of the most difficult situation that a wise person will never get into. as a result of the fact that we will not push a little, direct a little , adjust a little. then september would be the first. next to the button in kilvyl. we have already mentioned it several times today in kilyvyk. to close your eyes, press the button to open

and all of ukraine speaks ukrainian, but it won't be like that, it won't be. and we always have remember that a huge number of tens of thousands of ukrainian soldiers lost their lives having russian as an operational language, we see it and how can we. well, we have to be very careful . we cannot afford this. at the front who were at the front in the 14th year and will not name their names and say how many russian-speaking soldiers do you have and how many in ukraine?

desire i understand people who really want, i understand integral nationalists. they are also needed in ukraine, all people with different , not cannibalistic, only ideologies. and god grant that they flourish and spread their knowledge and beliefs and convince other people, let them be, but let them there will be others who will be cautioners who will be more careful and will be let's think about these things somewhere that we don't need to think about knocking down the monuments to lenin, we need to hmm maybe it was much earlier but that's how it happened as it happened but now it's all natural, now even for avid russian speakers and even russian returnees, but ukrainians hear the ukrainian language it does not cause any negative consequences , people understand what we are fighting for, people en masse abandon the russian language, naturally

, on their own without any extra influences, that's why this is a difficult question, you understand, humanity arises like this the illusion that if we can come up with something in chemistry, we can come up with something in physics, in engineering, and so on, that's a plus, she drove on gasoline. then they started driving not on gasoline then they started driving on electricity and so on. and so on, and the illusion arises that a person can be changed, so the experience of the 20th century with lenin, stalin and hitler shows that it is impossible to change, they all wanted a new man , the creation of a new man. this was the idea of ​​communism and fascism that we will somehow tighten some nut there and the new man will be different, but it will not work out, the person remains

a person with pluses with minuses with disadvantages with advantages and so on and so on and so on. that is why you have to be careful under the minister of defense. we talked about this today the chair rolled in. although he is an effective manager , this is determined even by his enemies. they didn't drink vodka, maybe they drank some beer a couple of times, he always made a very positive impression on me. he is very calm, very balanced , very wise.

among the intelligent, the wise, this is no, no, how is it all? measure seven times, once for a trifle, what is needed, what is needed, that is why i do not see any hints about the possible resignation of the minister, except for what we talked about , in general, what he himself asked for. we know, no matter what, and we have to understand how overloaded it is possible to be in a patch. now some are stealing. as we know, some are overloaded . they are gray. look at their faces, compare the photos. залужный 5 years ago today zelensky a year ago and today reznikov year that's why two years ago and today, all our commanders are people who don't sleep much, eat little, are constantly nervous. i completely understand that

sometimes they want to rest, it's just that it's a matter of not resting, it's a matter of relative efficiency, it's not because he's bad , or good, but how is he a responsible person can say listen now with them in the city, there may be another one if they hear me, it’s great, but if they also see it, it will simply be even more interesting, and with the hardware, and i already see that i have, they hear and see, that is, it is because the war so that no one i forgot and this person says i can be more effective in another place after rest and he can take over now because he is ready now and he is not so tired if we talk about efficiency and during the war only about efficiency we need to talk about effective diplomacy about effective weapons about effective soldiers about effective rears about

effective effective supply of food to the front effective functioning of the economy in the rear and so on this is the most important thing even if someone is tired or some superiors found a replacement says listen, this one is already tired and that one is still fresh. let's involve him. i am only in favor of whether it is possible to remove putin's regime through a military coup, because among the military there are many dissatisfied with the actions of the kremlin . retired major general and former vice president of russia russky declared about the inability of the russian army to carry out operational strategic offensives the operation has a dental leadership, his lapid, despite the fact that he was turned back, met whether a sufficient number of military oppositionists are taken , let's go down in history. i always think that

this is important and let's see how many successful military coups there were starting well , maybe in the 18th century . there were some, after that there was nothing like that, starting with the decembrists, who were simply disbanded and that's it, and ending with the resignations of zhukov, who was the minister of defense during the time of khrushchev and and again and even later, i don't remember in the 90s when mathios the russians sat down on red square, such a german lover of piloting, they removed the minister of defense sokolov. i think

his name was always the political power in russia, and it was more important or kaibiya like today , for example, than the military. that the military can get involved, civilians should start some processes, the military can get involved, as it was in 1991, in 1991, when there was an attempt by the kcp, the so-called coup in moscow, when the army took a neutral position, not supported the soviets to a certain extent, they did not support the russians either, that is, yeltsin’s, but after two days it already supported it, such was the positive neutrality for yeltsin and then

it all really collapsed, i don’t see independence in latin america, where really the military can quite seriously influence turkey or turkey until recently where the influence of the military was also serious, now it is less. well, let’s move on, don’t you think that the current searches of the release are excessive for a whole year of war , they did not target traitors and corrupt people attention, and now ms. natalya is so actively exposing her and tells us yes, if it was a year ago and a month ago, then the lady is there for and why didn't they do it before, if six months ago you said and why didn't they do it before, it means demonstrative and why

demonstrative and if they quietly they quietly came somewhere and arrested someone, then they would have found people and said why would they do it quietly ? why don't they do it quietly, why not in front of the cameras ? now it's a war, during a war, all feelings are heightened, so that the government would not always do it there will be people who will criticize partially fairly and partially not so much, that is, you will not do anything, and there are no options to please everyone, they simply do not exist, ms. natalya, that is why these are demonstrative, but they would not be demonstrative. 14% of russians are ready to personally take part in a rally, demonstration , or protest if they were held in their locality in the coming month or two , 80% do it. they don't want to take part in these

survey data, funds, public opinion. how do you like it? do you think why are russians afraid? do they still support putin because they are flesh and blood of this regime and its imperial ideology , but the last words here absolutely agree with my opinion , yes, they are putin is the personification of russians , unlike many books and stories, russians were very cowardly, very big and i also don't believe in 14%, who are personally ready if 14% of moscow residents took to the streets , no power in the world could stop them, because they are already millions, they are already millions, one and a half to two millions, what

can be done with them except to shoot and immediately the question will dare or not dare, therefore the question is very difficult. i think that they really believe that he is sitting in crimea for believe me, tomorrow some liberal will come to the kremlin and start talking on television america is good excuse the ukrainians the day after tomorrow all of russia will shout america is good excuse the ukrainians and in six months he will come the same is true of putin or stalin and the american president . the enemies of ukrainians must be destroyed . you will not get anywhere . to learn about the news ms. angelica, please , in this issue i will tell you that from today the ban on the import