[000:00:00;00] it is very difficult to take this target, and ah. hmm, mitrodobyscha, the target is hidden by vertical shafts. that is, it is a vertical shaft and a shaft to a depth of 300 m. of course, weapons were once stored in these shafts. there would also be legends that during soviet times, small arms were stored in some shafts. soledar e it's true, well, you're like that, this is a testimony that is preserved and there was a confrontation about these weapons warehouses in the 14th year, but i , him, and as far as i know, these weapons were allegedly taken out already in 2015. mykhailo , tell me what kind of book this is the path is marked the salted history of eastern ukraine is the materials that were collected there

from 2015 to 2021, and everything related to the salted history of the methodonech region, we are luhansk oblast, a little bit of sumy oblast , and all of this was combined into one such book. and why we passed her goal. now we are blind with our colleagues and we dreamed . well , it’s been a long time . this book will not have such a goal

effect, but because it is a lot of people who left these regions, and they are nostalgic for their country, and this book looks exactly like it was published as a project for the integration of the vp. that is, we distributed this book among the libraries of the centers where forced migrants are accepted , so that people can live and that is the goal themselves and find out more about their homeland, where they lived, and the goal is to tell the hosts there, where we are from, we came, that is, this is an inter-person coming to lviv oblast, and it is from bakhmut, for example, and she. well, you can't tell anything about it that is, it is in the news bakhmut is known as the purpose of the place and the hostilities are going to be difficult. a photo of the layout of the bakhmut fortress according to the exposition of the bakhmut local history museum. that is, it is from the history of bakhmut . the fortress is like an image today of the fact that our

soldiers are fighting to defend the city of bakhmut on the fortress, but it turns out that the bakhmut fortress is hundreds of years old let's talk about it and we have a fragment of a map that you prepared for the broadcast, let's show it to the audience, we know that this map is 300 years old, it's from the stockholm museum, if i'm not mistaken please tell me what what kind of map is this, now the editor will bring it to our screen and, uh, you will tell us about the history of the bakhmut fortress, how many years are there in this history, well , 1700. well, this is the first year for the map. and how old is it? copy a-a there was a-e m-m this is a russian-language analogue

of this map and was drawn up by an engineer who served in the meta-russian army e-e bringing methods of french origin and he, during the preparation of peter i for the azov campaign, meta-made a metaplan of bakhmut a-a this a copy was already made by the swedes a why the swedes, but in those days there was active preparation and already the goal of the swedish war, that is, military espionage really existed , goals , etc. -e the citadels themselves a-a and well, that’s not why it was built in 1701. at first they built small ostrog a to be guarded and salted with metal bahmutium on the bahmutti river. whole three are boiled and

stored there. there are no salt barns where the salt is stored from the bottom, but they are not the same, the money is stored somewhere, and all this must be protected, because the steppe is bare, the goal is near, or we are the turkish border. well , it passed there, it is more southerly - it is bachmut , somewhere there on the tracks of modern horlivka , the border did not pass like that and all this must be protected first ostrog is being built and the goal is when the preparations for the tarusk of the turkish war of 1735-37 begin

the purpose of the turkish in what area was the fortress at the time, how much did it occupy? well, here it is along the streets, and a metal mainframe will be constructed. unfortunately, the remains of this fortress did not remain when the city began to grow. bakhmut of the remnants, it is a pity that they cannot take bakhmut because they are subject to it, but well, this fortress occupied such a central part of the city , one border ran along the street of the modern independence street and the other on the back of bakhmut there porostovsky street that is, she well, it was quite small, but the fortress that is stored underground in bahmut is also for the fact that it wants to fight and reach russia, an enterprise that produces gypsum mixtures there, i put gypsum on these, tell me about them well, the purpose of laying gypsum plaster is

such and such a satellite of rock salt is present on everyone in all salt deposits and having a large deposit of rock salt we have large deposits of gypsum and soledar and in bachmut there were two large enterprises on alchimstronbas and er the italian company syneat what method and they mined gypsum and uh, it was a big enterprise, the artymiv factory of champagne wars, we had an underground factory in 1950 and built motorcycles, the factory m-m, this is a big pension factory, and here, hmm, this is, in principle, everything that is stored in the underground, yes. and if we talk about donbas in general, there is a lot

the conversation was about gas and that's why putin wants this theory, which we in the information space constantly discuss and the russians use it, saying that the war in donbas started with the hands of the ukrainians and us americans in order to get some uh, the most moderate people just talk about the fact that he wants to save people so much, is he really in this region , well, i would say nesland gas. the goal is not quite. this is what is called the goal in english, also lugas, it will be natural gas, that is what we call shale gas. well, this is because the company shell

, which specializes in america, is going to extract it. but in terms of extraction, it is the same as shale gas this type of gas is also produced in kharkiv oblast, and the target is in poltava oblast , the large shchebensk meta-deposit in kharkiv oblast. we worked there before that . the goal is always damage to nature, be it coal , or salt, or something else, the russians want to take over the salt mines about the fact that i want to extract gas in the donbass, but there is still a certain part of the donbass that has already been occupied for 8 years and the mines that are there

information about what the russians did with them. what do you know? well, most of the mother shafts are flooded and destroyed, which leads to a major ecological disaster. that is, only the land may remain. it may be a major ecological disaster, because when mineral extraction takes place in the soil, voids are formed in the ground and this void is filled with groundwater, it is necessary , it may not be fast, it may be slow, depending on the demographic situation of this region, due to the fact that money had to be simply invested in to receive or because of what happened so that the mines are flooded and now an ecological disaster can be flooded already, well, the goal has been passed, the goal is the point of no return. that is, they had to be pumped out immediately and constantly, not uh, no, well , this is stopping them uh, that is, how does it

happen, or mining you can stop it, there is a whole system, hmm, and reconstruction there , metal liquidation of mines, that is, you understand, when a new mine is built, a new enterprise is built immediately, and plans are thought out and written, and how to close it, that is , not this one, just take it and open a mine and to start adding a fossil chair and not thinking about what to do later when the enterprise closes and one and only way of conservation and liquidation of mines is dry conservation or metamork conservation and here is the majority of the purpose of the mine, they were on dry conservation, that is , mines and permanent pumped out water, and here is this water flows into neighboring mines and that neighboring mine also pumps out the water supply of the mines in the mines, give your mine and another mine, if another nearby mine is closed

, the load goes even more when they closed most of the time, this is a mine in the region, then is formed filled with water and everyone and everything well they are all filled with water the plates begin to collapse and you also begin to sink the earth is formed to be formed we and the pit is leading and for this it is the runations of the buildings that are on the surface there is still such a thing in me the goal, the problem, the stages, is the release of methane, and in the coal mines, we used to go out into it, the coal gas is methane, and due to the water, it is pushed to the surface, which can er, can er, accumulate this in the basements of

buildings and now there is a european feel and he is a sportsman, the purpose is natural gas that comes from the kitchen stove, and flavoring is added to it so that the person can hear what is going on, and what is there, and we are used to this smell. and with natural gas, well, nobody no rheumatizer was given, i want to return to the history of the bakhmut fortress. let's talk about what happened to the fortress after it was created in the form in which we see it now. well, this fortress was created , it fulfilled its purpose, it protected the bakhmut steel mills but when it ended and the russo-turkish war, the goal of the war, the goal of turkey, when the russian empire captured the crimea, the needs and fortresses, the need

for the fortress disappeared , and the goal of the city began to grow. and it turned into everything and a bigger city and all the centuries it existed as bakhmut. that's how the name was changed in 1922, when we were so far away. it was renamed to artemivsk and it existed like that until 2016. there were periods when they tried to capture bakhmut like this . what will the history of bakhmut be like during the second world war? well, not yet the second world war, but the bakhmut fortress. it was burned down once during

the minsk uprising. this is the uprising. what kind of ownership do we have in the salt industry? where do you have it? it was a condraty , it was a saltworks chieftain , and it was a government. fossils, i will return to soledar to hiking salt to gypsum, what bachmouths, what sales markets can russia use, how unique are these deposits, and you and i will not be on the air now, and somehow we will say something untrue to the audience, we spoke with you and you say that russia has its own deposits, in principle, they also extract their own salt, which are new sales markets or which are interesting to them, they can use. so, after that, when they capture the warehouse, but for sure they do not capture this territory of the motherland of sales, that is, they have those large deposits of sifted salt that are there and we are there

they have er-e, this is a very long-standing goal, there it is, too, mm, it is solyletske, we are deposits , sales markets. well, if they continue to be under sanctions, but where will they be sold to wash this salt, or how many years will the deposits last, and here the goal is difficult there is such a myth that during these 140 years of underground cattle a-a extracted 1 to 1% of all metal. it was yes, well, this is such a goal, a common myth, this is, well, everyone says so and so, they say so on excursions that only one percent in total. i believe that you have been around for thousands of years, there is nothing to be surprised about, well we are there. maybe, but it seems to me that this percentage is higher. it is much higher because there are statistics there for the post-soviet

period and the soviet period. during the soviet period , a lot of metal has already been mined. so, well , there are still targets somewhere. and i also think that we are 100 years old . i will ask the editors to return the picture with photos of the underground salt museum, tell us about it and how it appeared, how old it is, and how many routes are there in this wow museum to interest ukrainians after victory for sure to visit his spa hotel, there is some kind of er well, you are not quite hereditary sanatoriums, but again they are called modern in order for tourists to go . well, why are you spoiling the advertisement?

let's add, friend of the year, there were four tourist routes, four goals of different tourist routes, one route , they got drunk in the sanatorium, where he metal , except for the stay from the dust sanatorium. spent the night in a salt house mines. and we where breathing this salty air and er hmm this way diseases of the respiratory system were cured and they had such a small er tourist route that you can walk there in an hour and a half so that you don't have to wash, it was possible for everyone and tourists and then we still had a-a separate tourist route from the museum of the salt industry, which was then a strong mine

in the tribiz mine a-a and in 2021 in 2020 for 1 year and opened a-a a new route to the old mine in bryantsivska mine this is the first salt mine in donetsk region this is such a big goal of the mine and it is very interesting because there are not such big chambers there and mining. well, you can post galleries . what explosives were also mined? that is , this is the production of the end of the 19th century, then there were no harvesters yet there was such a juniper, there was a sea urchin, there were metabors, and they are very interesting, and in 2021, another tourist route was opened in the ether of salt, and how

much more metterlax it is with world effects, uh, on the sea, wash the theme of the spotlight, yes, it’s stoves, but it's us too eto the old route and how is it mined, well, now they have stopped extracting salt, how is it done according to modern methods, and how many workers mined the salt, e-e, a photo of the tunnel where it is mined by machine, a-a combine operation , what methods are there for extraction, and now m-m, only him and by machines, only how many there will be manual labor, it was not used as it was in ancient times , it was a popular museum for visitors, because i remember when i was in the velichka museum, we were there for about four hours, but there were an incredible number of tourists in line for tickets, and indeed

first of all, it is very interesting and well played various halls of the stage, and i understood why the popularity of these mines in poland is so crazy. but in ukraine . how many people visited at the beginning of the war ? e this is the largest, it is the mmc of kharkiv, not for sure, because the purpose of the territorial metal was still to go, well, this is a large metaflow and the purpose of tourists. industrial the goal of the routes of the council of europe is that there is a network of industrial routes and the goal of our dream was that our soledar mines were included in this model of european routes so that tourists would go to the east of ukraine and see

that we have no worse that is, the europeans open some applications there. yes, and i see that there is a laid out route here, there are interesting cities we wanted to visit, that for this you need to submit an application somewhere, there is some association of european objects there, e-e, tourist objects and the association needs to make an application and it is probably still necessary to improve the service a little bit in terms of elevation in terms of places where you can conveniently stop because well, it’s more that we are there . to bakhmut or there, without stopping in slavyansk, we tried to unite all these cities in order to delay the tourist as long as possible , so that he planned a trip not for one day, but for

two or three days. connected entrepreneurs e-e worked with hotels in all my places, we leave information about what else you can see. well, go there and find out about it. and why did you decide with my methods and a hobby that you probably know ? the region is a big mining town. well, it was difficult to be interested in dungeons, having been born in horlivka, i was so interested in heritage, and hm, this is the same history, and that's because horlivka was a big industrial

city, many mines had already been closed, they wanted to to make others fall in love with the region to show that it is possible that it is not as they imagine it donbas so this is then yes this is the goal a little later the bald first the business go mmm this is what started this should be this then well, i traveled a lot in donetsk region , it practically has no cities-towns where have i not been? well, i know this region very well and you promise us to carry out examinations on the property after the victory. last year , we visited tractorists from kyiv. they were there at first . it was difficult for you. well, it is an invitation to motivate. and when we looked, they came. and let's see what they don't have time to see in two or three days. but it's all interesting that this trip should be done for 4-5 days so that when you arrive, you can see everything and already have priorities. here we have the materials and

a colleague from stop-motion films and kyiv frescoes angela savchenko she also says that i really regret that but that's why we went to the champagne tasting the purpose of the city is to see the architecture of the bahamut station here is this excursion to the universe of the mine and i want every ukrainian to visit there and to appreciate the places where we were born our ukraine that we are studying the history of our region, our ukraine, precisely during the war and precisely in the beginning of our interest in this in the context of what we read , battles are raging and everyone is beginning to understand what bakhmut is, what soledar is, and indeed bakhmut was a fortress. thank you for falling in love people in donbas and you still tell the story of mykhailo kulishov again ukrainians who watched this

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