[000:00:00;00] i eavesdrop a little and you know from the very beginning, kyiv is something sacred for every ukrainian , even for a lviv resident, such as a donetsk resident or a kharkiv resident who lived, well, trying to compete with kyiv yes, but still, kyiv is sacred and when rockets flew to kyiv everyone immediately remembered the nazis and batya and what do you want, who remembered what, who remembered there were mentions of this and you know, although in kyiv there was much less destruction than, say, in the same kharkiv or in the dnipro or in zaporizhzhia

or anywhere but if it was not kyiv that suffered the suburbs of kyiv, and the closest to this one, which was always considered to be such a resort, was not even brought there anymore, and well, let's say such a small village of moschun. well, it's near the hill. there , pushcha lisna, such a hotel, such a hotel was very beautiful, the tiny village is not there , it is destroyed, in fact, every house is not there so, if in our mountains there, as they tried to break through there, these streets are destroyed and the rest of the villages are more or less left, then there is simply nothing there, that admiral club in irpen, which, well, it was just a handsome man. he is gone, he was destroyed. and that's what

i was pleasantly surprised, you know, somewhere on the new year's holidays, my son conducted a tour of the streets that were destroyed, a large part of the houses were restored, you can imagine that people were restoring them as best they could in someone's house, from which pieces, something, the windows are not standing, it is covered with plywood and all others took place on the dead ruins of now bombed houses, the flags of ukraine, well, that is, not all people who can restore them now, they say that we are from ukraine, we are advancing here, we will return , everything is alive gorenka she is alive i just see it it's hard for me to say, i haven't been to bucha in irpen for a long time. i was in vuchchyna. i went to the soviet union. i didn't go . and people live on the edges, you can imagine there is no middle of the house well, is such

a long five-story building real? we are so strong that we cannot be broken. looked a secondly, it's not even just stability, it's confidence in victory, that's confidence, that's people believe that we'll win , it can't be otherwise because well, i'm mentioning our cause of law , as in russian, victory will be ours. right now, i see what the mood is like in society . we can't help but win. and in general, the sociology of war is such a concept as sociologists, well, patterns of people's behavior and changes in society in the conditions of war so that we

can model there what, friends, what you united it's not, well, not so much. of course your uniqueness, but this is a natural phenomenon for war. and you will go through such and such stages. this is how psychologists are now explaining to us on the air these psychological swings that we are changing our attitude . to even be a sociologist, you just need to be interested in these topics, see how veles behaved, society , let's say, croatia, here, first of all, you need to look at who is the aggressor and who is the victim, because they are different in the balkans, you mean, if you look at the war in the balkans, you need to look at

israeli society has been there for generations, is it endless or is it finite, now today the support of the president there is more than 70% confidence that we are all on the right path, it will begin to decline is it normal to hold on to this state of war for so long ? if it doesn't happen, god forbid, that's why there is a question. in this sense, i believe that we should tell people that we can win in the 23rd year. even if we win in the 24th , it's better than from now on saying that no war for ten years, psychotherapists just said on our broadcast that i would forbid people categorically to name a certain date when we do not need to say a certain date, but by the end of the 23rd year, we really need successes serious

successes at the front in the 22nd year it was kharkiv and it was kherson and it helped to endure the 22nd year in the 23rd, something similar too, and why is it necessary because we can, it’s an exalted state and faith in ourselves and uh, ours, well, it ’s exalted itself he can move, we can not endure we all know overload we live in stress and many people cannot survive this stress. i am afraid to think how many civilians we have lost and i do not know, no one knows this. but i am afraid to even think about it, how many people died due to heart attacks, strokes due to diabetes, because of which they are not directly, as it were not related to the shelling , not related to the bombing there, but it's all in mariupol, it's a separate issue, it's those

who directly from it. there, for example, medical aid peaceful life, but in the conditions of war i received food, there is no normal hypothermia, time, desire well, a lot of things, but coming back to this , you know, those who passed through the concentration camps say that at first we seemed optimistic because they thought that everything would get better very quickly, but it didn't get better and that's why they were the very first to die, and here the situation is somewhat different. well , first of all, we are not in a concentration camp, and secondly, society supports each other, and psychologically, in particular, and that's why i

i am convinced that if in the 23rd year there will be something so powerful, crimea would be desirable, we have already booked a hotel there for next summer, it is easier than donbas to win back, it could be crimea, it could be a complete liberation , let's say from the zaporizhzhia region, it would also be very, very effectively, well, we mentioned crimea now, sorry evgeny, we mentioned crimea now and also argued and discussed on this topic what to do with the people who are now there and have been living there for 8 years in the temporarily occupied territories , mr. danylo says that they should live with us and not we have a position with them, there is a different position that we need to think about how to return the minds of these people here, we are thinking, let's say , scientists are thinking about this, believe me, what do you think , your position is interesting and we are thinking very seriously here, it is not just about returning people here, generations

must be returned there today's teenagers don't know anything else, because for me, the most terrible thing is that children who went to school in the 14th year in the fall, today they go to the seventh grade. they only heard in schools against this ukrainian. who went there to the third or fourth grade? zakharchenko is a hero motorola is the hero of givi, the hero of russia. our ukrainian propaganda, well above all else, was there and we perfectly understand that it is very aggressive and, frankly, effective. and today, no, i do not agree with danylo. but i understand that they have to live with us, but despite everything, we will return these territories with people, then what are we going to do to expel them or what do we have to convince them

of our rightness ? they will start making claims, we can already see that. well, the president has already reacted. well, top-level politicians from the government, not the opposition, are already reacting. they say that we see manifestations of the fact that the people have united, and some representatives of the government are starting to play their game. but they they played all the time, they just didn't get their hands on them, well, well, someone demined them from kherson , they didn't just appear like that, someone will open the way for them. well, here the work is pro-russian. yes , i understand that they are pro-russian, but it was the ukrainian government, it is clear that it is pro-russian and not only this happened. i think that gostomel didn't appear just like that, and zhulyany didn't just

appear like that, but politicians and the government, just like people after the 24th, united, and they followed the path of more than 7 united everything after all, someone stopped and after seeing that everyone went there, he and we will go a mixed way, many, many no. although you know, it was the preservation of the feeling itself that prevented them from doing it , the anti-russian mood was too strong, both in society and demonstratively in the political community, so it seems to me that no more united after all but you say that without even waiting for the end of the war sensing the approach of victory we will begin to return to the usual development of our this is absolutely normal, but from my point of view 70% of the support of the president in peacetime - this is not normal to be like this in conditions of war

is cool in conditions of war it is normal and it should be like that but after the war , well, in a democratic society and where will it come from and what and that people don't see that the president not everything is done as you would like it by the fourth year it is already interesting to see what will happen after victory and after the victory it will increase. well, i can guarantee that the huge level of trust in the armed forces will remain . it is traditionally quite high in ukraine after the 14th year. well , at least it could not be compared with any other branch. ukraine exists thanks to the armed forces. well, our defense forces are that. now, well, in the 14th year, the same thing did not happen, but it was less, but the trust in the armed forces was high, the highest, it will definitely remain high, but the lower level of trust in the volunteer movement, i think it will remain, and then there are judges and many, it’s funny that it’s been a long time

conducted a study and came up with an interesting figure : 69% of ukrainians reported that they are ready to endure current and future problems as long as it takes for ukraine to win. well , how do we measure? represents the whole of ukraine, because the mood in kyiv, the mood in mariupol, the mood in odesa can be different. do they represent the whole of ukraine or did we ask only pensioners, this is also possible and the third most important thing. and we are convinced of

the sincerity of the answers . it is not recognized, especially when they called, and even not only a person cannot admit it to himself . how is it that everyone tolerates me, what's worse, well, everyone understands that the negotiations are about peace in the context of russia's desire. they lie in the plane of what we must to admit defeat, so about negotiations here, well, there is no talk, even in some format, there is simply a cessation of hostilities , because everyone has realized that everyone is going to the end, and that's why this level of support from people , well, why are they in our difficult conditions, he said about what they are ready to endure, because on the opposite side lies the question of your existence in this country, the war is really popular, it is really patriotic, it is

true, talking with your friends before the war. someone said you should go, see what here mess there that that those who so said that we had to go somewhere they all stayed here everyone went those who were silent and never said that he might not even have discussed it and here for me here is what you said my house i will meet first with my head and i haven't given my house to anyone, my friends, it's clear that i won't give it away, so it seems to me that this association exists, well, on social networks , well, i went there a few weeks ago. authorities to go to negotiations to stop this barbaric bombardment. when they go to victory, then we will leave, but this is a conditional division . yevhen touched a little on the topic of those who left and

those who remained, he already exists, he already exists, and you know , i am afraid that this division will be a little more numerous groups will be separated from the armed forces of ukraine will definitely be separated from the armed forces will be separated from volunteering will be separated from those who, say, brought the entire war to kharkiv, those who left for relatively safe areas and those who went abroad. i think that this division it won't be a problem. it's not especially when it will only concern individuals. it's bad if it affects political forces . when, let's say , one party will start to measure up to the other party.

in kombat and everything is all about this, this is what must be avoided and this must be worked on. for the number of heroes in the passing part of the party, volunteers, doctors, uh, people who were there tangentially to some victories in our list, the third number on our list goes to the boy, the hero who sent the russian ship , vote for us and it will be and it will be the return of us to the state when we were drawing maps of the three varieties of ukraine and it will begin. this is all , is it real? is this avoidable? will we or will we return to the usual state after the victory

? saying it is possible and not necessary because there should be criticism, but i do not think that we will return to the pre-war state, after all, first of all, the leaders have learned something well, at least something but they have learned, secondly, i think that the people have learned , and the main thing is that, you know, more people are trying reach out to everyone and explain my point of view, i can see this from journalists. by the way, what questions are being asked now, what questions were asked in the 14th year, these are different questions, and what is the difference?

everything is happening, that is, you and i are talking now, you are examining us as test subjects, we are coming out, what will they do to us? the topic with yevgeny was interesting because we discussed it. he says that i stayed on february 24, and for me, life is still going on. 331st second day 24 february is not for me, you just have a different temperament, a different character , there is nothing wrong with this. it is not a division. and you know it has changed for every woman because, let's say, we stopped thinking about what blouse to wear, whether to buy something or how to make up, it would cease to be a very important priority, we can not ask about your position and understanding of that what is going on with russian society i don't know it well, in fact

i don't know it very well i already told you that i don't trust the quantitative assessments of our sociologists too much, but there i trust even less because there it is a controlled society even observing publicly how they react to the war, here we are on the air from the first day of the marathon. we are there. at first we tried to reach out to the street . then there were scary stories, a tambourine, a trick, and we saw our conclusion. yes, for example , the same tragedy in buchi, the russians refused to believe then that it is actually real that they can kill peaceful people and that it is not a question because it is the russian army there or not russian and it is just a fake and here when the tragedy happened in the dnipro recently they are happy they are happy because they have already they have evolved from this, they are already used to it. this is true, this is the result of their propaganda, first of all

, this is the result of propaganda that lasts not a year, not two, but what will happen to them, if we take the model of their mind, when i hear russian liberals who are in the west can speak openly in principle well, i like them, well, i can’t say that i don’t respect their views for everything and they are all convinced that we are a democratic society, not us as ukrainians and in general, all democratic societies of the world should clearly distinguish between the top of the russian government and the entire i am not convinced about russia, i am not convinced at all, and when we are not asked about the prospects of reconciliation with the russians, i say that i do not see them at all. because before reconciliation there must be repentance of nations, there is no

voluntary or not voluntary, that is another question, but they sincerely repented and the russians now openly say that i do not support putin, but i cannot but support my army to them as a counter-argument , they say that the germans also supported their army at one time, remember what happened then well, first of all, not so many people say that they do not they support putin , let's be honest, but supporting their army during the war is not so scary here. the question is that they support more than just the army, if the army is shelling, the russian army is shelling the position of the armed forces, well, it is free to shell, but when they shell absolutely peaceful cities when they, when they are shelling the infrastructure

, are critical. they do not understand that the children are not sitting in a heated room, you understand, they say they are poor people, they are sitting in the cold in the frost, but we are shooting at the infrastructure in order to block the supply chains western weapons, well, it sounds simple, but belarusians are the same, because we are now talking about the threat of a second offensive and there is a risk that lukashenko will get involved in this war even more. will not get involved as er absolutely here is purely pragmatism and what will he hold his power on if he sends his army and his security forces here where they will be destroyed well , what will he do next, who will putin protect him from

the point of view of er demographics and what we will go out after the war, someone will remain in the country, the challenge here is the question, not even anyone. the question is how many, how many, and how will we be distributed from the point of view of those people who can work to develop the country, give, give the country gdp development, and compared to the number of those people who we, well we have to serve economically pensioners and socially vulnerable people, because the majority of those who left ukraine who can do something to work, er, most of those who left can work yes yes i say so, you said that more of those who could have left to work, and i say that most of those who left can work, i understand the difference, i understand, yes, write with what indicators we can finish like this before the war, i mean before the war or before the 14th year ukraine had 45 million and 45.5 million, this is the latest

data which were given by the state statistics service, well, you can argue with them because the census was significant , but we have other figures, but there are no other figures , we will assume that 45.5 million was somewhere in the 30th year. well, most likely there will be somewhere around 30 million in ukraine. wow, that means that 75 to 50 people per square kilometer, the population density decreases, is it enough or not? well, let's say in northern europe , norway, finland, it's 14, not 50, but let's say in poland it's more than 100 , just to make it clear, in the baltic countries , it's not enough, let's say in estonia, it seems to be 30. something like that, and the problems then lie in that. that how to cultivate economically, well, you can say cultivate this territory, you understand. if

there are no people and it is not a forest, then something wrong will happen in the territory. and our economy is going well and natural resources are not forest let's say we are starting to have a problem, it will inevitably arise in the north of the chernihiv, kharkiv, sumy regions because it is close to the border, you understand very well. one thing is shelling with rockets, well, i hope that we will have a second issue. when the front passed twice , the issue of landmines and the issue of landmines and simply that the troops can approach and it's just that you can shoot at houses with guns , yes, different things, and how to develop them, well, the kharkiv region will more or less survive because

kharkiv is by the way, kharkiv is fantastic i work, look, they also produce candy in our academic institutes. they work from basements there. this is for example. it’s simple. yes, this is an example of indomitability. here’s how in the 14th year , odesa became such an example for me. it was completely unexpected, here is kharkiv, just because, above all, putin was counting on this. kharkiv oblast will most likely hold out, of which kharkiv and chernihiv and sumy . i don’t know what to do. and what should we do with strategic enterprises, or can they be left there? i understand that the whole area is under fire ukraine, however, is bombarded in different ways, after all, different guns, then guns, and rockets and rockets, where to transfer them, transfer them to the west, there is not much there, well, from the standpoint

of logistics, yes, but from the standpoint of the development of the territory of ecological capacity, the territory, where to transfer it, well, lviv region, something else maybe on there is no place in transcarpathia. there is no place in bukovina. there is no place in volyn. and the average age of ukrainians is getting older, but i don’t think that is critical. and why should we change the migration policy and attract migrants from the countries of central asia, europe, and so on? let's return our own, and how to return, too. and returning is the same as attracting, in fact, well, first of all, if we talk about our own , we definitely have a fantastic reserve of a sense of patriotism, i was once impressed at all in my phone. every day there is monitoring of daily e-e data

of our western border guards, including moldova, how many left, how many entered, yes, in the first two weeks from the beginning, well, after february 24 , almost 200,000 men of draft age returned to ukraine. they returned here knowing that they would not be able to leave again, the decree was already that says they returned to defend their homeland to help their relatives because there is simply no other explanation why the young women and children left . now i have a sense of patriotism in ukraine. the children who left here are mostly kharkiv and kiev women, and according to the data of german and polish researchers, 70% of our women have a higher education, those who left there, this is an incredible indicator, it means that we are not

only losing quantitative potential, but also quality deteriorates, grades there, they work mostly on low qualifications, they work there, how do they succeed? how do they succeed in different ways, well, the vast majority definitely, and i think that those whose children are university students and close to it, well, that’s what we said at the beginning, i i don't remember with whom on the air of the marathon eh and eh someone someone will say from the researchers of this direction he says that if children who went abroad in september go to school abroad, then the probability of their return to ukraine see how your theses are yes uh, in my head you know, in general, every month here