[000:00:00;00] are some such personifications of democracy and they still believe that it is possible to find good russians in russia and somehow cooperate with them. why do you say that even under the presidency of tonovny or kasparov , russia will still threaten ukraine if it is the most important the sign of any human community of any kind is identity, that is, who are we, what are we, where are we from, why are we so, that is, moscow imperialism, within the limits of which it exists, will not accept its shameful origin from the tatar-mongol horde, it is impossible i emphasize that it is impossible that not a single person will not agree with that, such a primitive example that she is already a brother by origin, and if she agrees, then this requires a colossal will and even another time of self-education and the like. muscovites are not

given to this and never have been given to it. i will study how it was, the great machiavelli never said it, starting with ivan the terrible , endless tyranny they do not have a single historical example of democratic existence, the myth of democratic yeltsin is a myth, i emphasize, the man decided to become a king russia and that's why he broke the soviet union and became the tsar of russia, and after a few years he shot his own parliament, but literally maybe a week later , as there is already information on the internet that during the conversation with george the elder, he literally said the only problem for us, for the russians , she will always be this is ukraine like this and the rest will not be any other way. i'm sorry, please, i'm a little ironic. these are the tales of grandfather panas, period. we need to learn to live the way israel lives , to build a ukrainian house and remember that

until these five principles are formed completely, we are endlessly threatening militarily, we are writing, there will be no well, what does that mean, they will breathe out, god willing, our grandchildren already , i understand so, well, well, thank you very much, mr. peter, in fact, a very optimistic view of how the war in ukraine is developing and of our prospects for victory. i think eh petro chernenko, a military expert, was with us and they talked about the prospects of russian offensive attempts. we already noted that in fact these attempts are. well, for example, the same military expert is also there. cooper of austria writes that already analyzing about that what happened there two weeks ago, when the russians reported that they had already taken everything from ugledar there, it was already the third time, it reminds me, it is the third time in a year, the last people say that they took you, you were a gift, but he says that there was no attempt , it was a really powerful offensive two

brigades of marines with the support of aviation artillery. that is, it was a full growth , which is called an offensive, that's all that they threw at vugledar, the result was that two brigades were actually defeated, the marines there suffered heavy losses and that's all, and no one else says that we have taken ugledar until the next time, maybe the fourth time. and maybe there won't be a fourth time, so they well , but that doesn't mean that they don't continue there , they don't continue to fight for the outskirts of this half-already completely destroyed city , we'll talk from another angle about putin in this war, serhiy taran, a politician, a member of the kyiv city council

, joins our conversation, mr. serhiy. good morning, mr. serhiy. the institute for the study of war is here. he is careful with all the perception of some radical decisions and they say he is not even in a hurry to actually announce the second wave of mobilization so as not to take drastic steps again why suddenly putin began to weigh everything so much mobilization in russia continues regardless of what putin officially announces there, although, of course, he is afraid that suddenly at some point the russians will start to attack protsi and there is always mobilization . unfortunately, we do not observe this yet. russians meekly go to war and meekly die there but of course it is for putin to publicly admit that he is losing, that he is losing people. he will never dare. well, it must be said that for the last time in russia, it has long been hoped that the mobilization that has already begun in russia

will lead to radical qualitative changes at the front, so far this has not happened. of course, every time putin talks about mobilization, the russians will ask the question , well, the mobilization took place. well , what did it lead to, and what did it lead to ? that putin needs to show the russians something, to show that there is a mobilization that has already taken place, it gives some results, some victories , the entire ideology of putinism is built on victory on victories, mostly fake on virtual victories, and therefore often turns to the past and tries to revive the victories that were once upon a time, long ago during the soviet union under stalin or trying to create victories now on the screen of propagandists who also constantly talk about some victories but

there is no victory and sooner or later, of course, for it will be a huge challenge for putin to show the russians that these are all the horrors and all the crimes that are happening in russia and that they have some kind of happy ending for russia. and in general , the russians need to finally show something, because sometimes it seems that we can actually do nothing and not show that they there will be so what is called in russian on the layer of putin love under any schedules there are victories there are no victories or is this law of the jungle in them and akela at least once but has to hunt something once a year and no need to show some informational victories the thing is that what is the paradox of russia is that if in the west it is necessary to show the voters some results that can be felt well, for example , there is economic growth or jobs or something that can be looked at, then in russia it is not necessarily necessary show only virtual victories well, this

has been in place since soviet times , this is an ideological template that must be constantly confirmed on the tv screen , something good is happening in the soviet union, even if construction was taking place there factory or factory, even the plans for the construction of some factory were shown as if this factory had already been built, because they told what kind of products will be produced there, how unique this factory is compared to world factories, and for russians they created pictures as if this factory was already working, although it was only told about its plans for the consciousness of the hero of today's russian should be different from the consciousness of a resident of the soviet union, they need to show victories, if these victories are not enough, then the crisis begins, the soviet union fell apart the very fact that suddenly er soviet people began to see that nothing victorious is happening and for the soviet ideology this

crisis ended very deplorably for the whole country and then i think that it is he at least this is who he knows for himself and for him it is necessary to create the picture and so on victory at the front that he was going to announce but how did he become this is of course a challenge and i think that in the future russian propagandists will feverishly search for something that can be shown to the russians so that they think that they live in a victorious for the country, it is linograd for the time of putin's visit, it is for putin, the street is still for the russians, whether or not and that's why there are russians, but from putin's submission . well, if there are no victories in the present in the present, then it is necessary to extract some victories in the past, and for russia, this is the only chance that remains to show that russia is winning, that's why they are experiencing all the past victories as they are now, as if they are happening now well, what can i say? well, look at russia

, it's a unique country in general, uh, all the holidays, all the celebrations of the russian federation take place on red square, which is a large cemetery, which is a symbol of some past defeats, dusty victories of all the past, so that it was already, but the russians still walk there on these graves and show that they remember these victories, they are ready to sacrifice it again for the sake of these victories, although they were in the past, there was such a shift, and this is a typical story for any totalitarian system. well, if you look at the totalitarian regimes in the past, they also built some kind of cult of shifting times, extracting some victories that once well, this is a well-known story, it’s just very strange that in russia they reproduce this archaic attitude to time, which well, for example, was it there in the ancient egyptians, or in general does the empire have it? that is, this is modern society, it does not exist anymore, modern

society lives with modern problems, and therefore , for example, the western one cannot be sold to voters past victories well, this is absurd, they need to be told what will happen now as an extreme case during the time that the politician is in power, and in russia it is enough to talk about past victories and the russians leave and are happy that they have such some kind of government that is proud of how the grandfathers used to fight, and some group of people that still does not care about all these past victories and thinks about returning russia to a civilized course, is it doing something, or is it that there are so few of them? we can't even count on it. it was a constant illusion in the west that there is some group of people in russia, some people who can become an alternative to putin, and well, hopes were based on the model of western society, in the west they thought that russia was the same as western countries

, but sorry logic - it doesn't work and those dissidents who were in the russian federation, well, there really were dissidents , since soviet times, they were units, it was not even a broad political movement, by the way, ukraine is different from russia, there has always been an opposition movement in ukraine, they were some people who could always become an alternative to any which government and when the government is about moskovsk, as for example during the times of kuchmyche yanukovych, the opposition was not built from units. and it was built on the political system in russia, not so in russia, the opposition is units, and units cannot become an alternative even now by the way, it turned out that the only effective opposition to putin is even worse, it's like beautiful people, it's those people who can pull russia , not even in the middle ages, but into the original varnish for the west , too. i think that the events in ukraine should become like this

sobering up from the hope that there are some people in russia who can become an alternative to putin, therefore the only policy that can be applied to the russian federation is the policy of not gradually destroying the russian economy over the degradation of russia itself in the west, by the way, already they are beginning to think about this. well, again, how does western society differ from ukrainian society in that they always count a few steps ahead. they don't just say putin is bad there, they start calculating. and who can replace putin ? and what could be the situation in the country if putin leaves ? and that is why they are already starting to count. what, for example, is putin's alternative, it is not a liberal western government at all, it could be much worse, by the way, it is not quite good for ukraine, not only because we do not want to have such a terrible regime, and also because the west does not take too radical measures against russia in order not to want an even worse government to come to power under putin, and they

are really worried that if russia disintegrates, russia will then consist of such mini- countries, each of which will be headed by prigozhin, who will still have nuclear weapons, so we must also understand the logic behind which the west works and unfortunately, we must understand that in russia there is no alternative to putin that would be pro-western, that would create an alternative to the current regime, so that succeeded b finally an understanding of the fact that russia is developing as a civilized country. by the way, they say that about russia, sometimes it seems that putin has absolute power there, he is so simple, i don’t know in cuba, probably the monarch is medieval, but at the same time, we see that there are some such groups, that is, prigozhin can publicly quarrel with this rifleman, both of them have some , well, especially handsome, of course, paramilitary, but

simply, simply, the military is actually some kind of formation, then there is another separate factor of this kadyrov, who also has some absolutely wild empowered and incomprehensible in their republic, some kind of status also does not correspond to what is stated in the constitution, all this shows that in fact the laws of the underworld do not work in this country. and doesn’t this also show that putin’s government is not as absolutist as it seems at first glance, and he is not controls the processes in his country until the end. well, for now he controls. unfortunately, you know , the system was not fully cemented in the soviet union, but now from history books we learn about this internal struggle that took place, for example, around stalin. i no longer i am talking about khrushchev or brezhnev, but even any authoritarian system always allows some kind of internal struggle, of course it does not mean that someone

questions the power of the tsar, the tsar is always right , moreover, it is sometimes beneficial for the tsar for the boyars to quarrel among themselves because the tsar can then the boyar will be punished, and the tsar will of course remain the best, therefore it should not be perceived as a degradation of putin's regime, but simply it is necessary to understand who can replace putin. if putin leaves tomorrow, this is an important conclusion from the struggle we have do now here's one more question: what happened, who can replace putin, or are there any candidates that would be acceptable to us? you know, in soviet times, when the west also counted who could be. well, for example , instead of andropov or instead of gorbachev, there were methodology well, for example, they studied the number of places that one or another soviet leader received on the front page of the pravda newspaper, or looked at

the order in which the leaders enter lenin's mausoleum in order to understand who might be closer to the leader if he leaves, we are currently dealing with the same thing, and of course, when there is no democracy, it is very difficult to say unequivocally who will be the alternative. therefore, we must assume so, but understand that our assumptions can only be assumptions, so my assumptions are that it could be someone from the environment wagnerites prigozhin, it could be someone else, another alternative from the circle of the current general staff. and it could theoretically be some alternative that russian business would bet on and would invest all its resources in order to somehow, at least a little to change russia's policy and get rid of sanctions well, for example, it could be theoretically for moscow, that is, these figures could be putin's replacement , but of course it won't be very fast, and in russia they are talking about it well, except in whispers because

everyone perfectly understands that if some real alternative is drawn putin, well, even if it is a person who will support putin, this person will have a lot of problems, because this will first of all cause anger from the king himself , who does not even want to allow the idea that someone can be his alternative, what about me something, er, very briefly, we have actually already run out of time, in fact there are two versions that are heard quite often in attempts to predict how this war will develop, and one of them boils down to the fact that russia is now using the last opportunities for such a rush, and somewhere in there, relatively speaking after the summer, it is possible that in the summer it will begin to try to enter into some negotiation process with the fact that what was kept, what they managed to capture will already include some international levers and may already want some compromises. another opinion is because russia has reached some kind of stalinist distance, it will mobilize

several hundreds of thousands of mobilized people in waves each time and send them as meat to the front. well, a and e industry will work on e in wartime, that is, stamping new tanks, armored personnel carriers, guns and shells to them, and such a war can actually last for years, and it is hoped that the ukrainian resource of mobilization or western aid will eventually stop. prospects or, in short, the scenario that russia will mobilize new waves and for putin now it is very difficult to talk about any compromise and retreat. well, this propaganda that we talked about at the beginning of our conversation. well, it is like a drug. if putin has already given the russians this

a huge dose of this drug is very difficult to get off it and now going to any compromise negotiations for putin will be deadly dangerous because the russians are already used to this high dose of the drug called quasi-victory therefore it is now very difficult to get away from it because they will mobilize, fortunately, there is not much modern technology in russia, so the only thing that russia has is a huge number of people who can be sent to the front, and all that is left of putin. by the way, all other threats, such as nuclear weapons or freezing europe, were such a threat on the eve of winter, but they did not come to an end because all that putin has is today a huge mobilization resource, so these people will throw up the front and this may last for a certain time, i think the road will be absolutely calm eh and further if in russia they start eh and with

the event will follow the sanctions and some serious internal economic problems will begin in russia. maybe then he will simply be forced to make some compromises about something and then seriously talk about retreat, but unfortunately, this has not yet been observed. i think that some time will pass until in russia will reject these mobilized people and this will be a huge problem for us because we have modern equipment, but it is not enough and of course we value our people and do not do to them what putin is doing, but putin will continue to reject of people as close as possible , the number of mobilized and this, of course, will continue for at least a year. eu e-e what are its results, did it happen with

a plus for us or with a minus , let's talk about this with ruslan osypenek, a deputy , a diplomat . who will also become a member of the european parliament, you can see, you see, mr. ruslan, well, actually, this summit, many people wrote to journalists, including our colleagues, their impressions, as they said, listen, let's listen to this same thing, it will happen almost every day in ukraine, because at this time in there were some changes in ukraine, the detection of some corrupt officials, arrests, and so on . but then everything calmed down, and sometimes it turned into some strange and sometimes unfounded scandals or resignations, but actually this

summit is rather positive for ukraine. did the betrayal or the victory end negatively? well, there are positive things, and there are not quite. let's say this, but the betrayal did not happen. there is a movement in a certain direction, and to where we have determined in the european union, and here i would divide the statements made there into the political part and on the practical part, where all the ministers and 15 commissioners of our government actually met, who determined the sectoral how we are going to take what steps to take in order to get closer to the european union in the sectoral way, well, that is , practical practical things, so among the political statements, i singled out three such statements the first is what charm-michel said that we are not afraid of the kremlin and we will be with ukraine until victory, then the second important statement is that ukraine's destiny is to be with the eu, that is, the course will not change and they are not afraid to accept us, although they used

to consider us as a country that belongs to russia's sphere of influence, that this is the backyard of the russian federation . well, the third and even more important statement that i would like to present here is that they said that ukraine has the right to liberate all lands, including crimea. that is, do you remember which one careful the position was always taken by the europeans and they said, well, and the reaction was to crimea, which was very cautious, the sanctions were not as strong as we wanted, they are strong there in relation to russia , now they are all together with the united states - this is already the policy of the united states and europe that ukraine can liberate all lands , including crimea. and this is important, if we talk about sectoral sectoral movements, then a plan of priority actions and steps that we should take in the 23-24th year and in order to get closer to

the european union, defined sectors in particular it's customs, it's a transporter, it's energy, it's agriculture, it's industry, it's digital services and finance, but in these sectors , it's defined as priorities for us, and we will unite, we 'll unite. on the fence, we will approach the european union in order to create a single space so that it is understandable for both business and politicians , that is, we are approaching the standards of the european union from a negative point of view. well, not from negative and from the fact that we had inflated expectations, we wanted to hear definitely what sanctions will be imposed on the russian federation and in particular on the nuclear industry because it is a technological sector that is actually the second largest after the oil and gas sector that

brings profits to the russian budget, for example , they have 23 projects on the 23rd year of construction of reactors there for 200 billion, a package for 200 billion dollars, in fact, that is why it is important to exclude russia from cooperation, because it builds stations in principle and tightens ties to itself nato countries such as hungary, for example, or turkey, is there an e-e station in hungary, and there is no doubt that these countries will lobby e-e not to impose sanctions on russia . we did not hear the second point, we wanted to hear about the transfer of assets a-a but we wrote that the europeans wrote that they would work more actively on this. instead, we heard that a center for the investigation of war crimes would be opened in gaza. this is also important. so, there are positives, and there are those, well, not quite, uh,

expectations that were met. well, what about him we can say that sometimes our expectations are overstated, that is, when, for example, the ukrainian government there, the president says that we want to start literally maybe tomorrow, maybe next year , at the most, negotiations on membership of the european union, but as far as i understand , the conclusion is the same here that on the 23rd it is that ukraine is, by most standards, the achievement of the criteria is at a very early stage of implementation , there is definitely a problem here, on the one hand, i understand the politicians they have to set and raise the bar higher and get something in the middle, and on the other hand, this same society, you know, inflated expectations are being formed in society, and it would like to become a member of the european union already in the spring or fall, so that ukraine becomes a member of the european union, if this does not happen, then they start looking for the culprits, and why is this so ? to love in the european union, that

is, the formation of these under elevated and inflated expectations is also dangerous. but hmm, if politicians have declared such a high bar, then they should systematically move in all the directions we said sectoral, that is, to do our work in an increased and increased speed in order to unite these areas and eventually for ukraine to become a member of the european union, this imposes obligations on us, but as we see sometimes in our country, you know , look not at systemic things, but at indicative ones as you said about the arrests, the dismissals, that's all , let's stop there. well, the system is not changing , the institutions are not changing, the institutions of power are not being strengthened, like the judicial reform, we have been hearing about it for several years. how can we change it there before the fall, for example, when they come there to inspect us, well, it is definitely difficult. by the way , zhornakov wrote de jure about the judicial reform about

the fact that last time it was not possible to elect a representative at all, so we simply remind the audience that it was not possible to elect a representative to the supreme council of justice, this is now a key moment in the reform of the courts, but the most votes , although four were not enough, were won by the judge's protégé vovka, that is, odious , literally, this is also about the quality of that judicial reform, as it is currently ongoing. and the last thing the news is that we currently lack 30% of judges in the courts of these levels, that is, there are simply no such courts, there are no competitions to appoint them , there is no update of the judicial corps, yes, this illustration is worth this moment, a very, very beautiful illustration , a very, very beautiful remark, just right er, we are focusing on the principles of the formation of this system. if the principles are not changed , it does not matter who is appointed, who is removed, who is appointed, the principles must be changed. and what i

mean, now they appoint their convenient ones who is in the team, who is not going to do something, carry out his own policy, a comfortable person who will do everything that is told to him from above. and you need to appoint professionals , but it is difficult to work with professionals , you understand. to be a leader, that is, you don’t just sit on your laurels and feel like you are a leader, and if this principle is not changed to a professional one, and only this is convenient and your own. well , it doesn’t matter the surnames of whom you will appoint , the system will be the same, very professional it's just that a year passes and they already sit down with all these non-professionals who have been sitting there for 20 years and have created such very afraid managers who are appointed from above, they are afraid of their subordinates who are more professional

and who should actually take their position. eh, how do they achieve their goal? eh, it doesn't matter whether you are a manager or a subordinate , the manager should be a professional person in this position, but then our system will change. which is not only to say please take us to the european union, but also to monitor our government for what is being done on all the points that are required in order for us to eventually get into the european union. that is why we all also need to be vigilant. thank you, mr. ruslana and ruslana osypenko, the diplomat and an international expert was with us, but now angelica appears for a while to veteri espresso and will tell the news for the last hour. angelica , you have a word. yes, colleagues, in this issue i will tell you about the consequences of the powerful earthquake in turkey, as well as the details of the shelling