[000:00:00;00] the moment is that ukraine actually started this path of integration long enough after 2014 and we have done a lot on this path. the reasons were not made earlier and the second point is definitely a war , no country of the european union has not integrated into the european union under such conditions, but this is not only a problem, it is also an opportunity because it is also important for the european union to show that the values ​​and principles on which it is based are not just things that are written somewhere on paper, but they exist in reality and by accepting ukraine as soon as possible after fulfilling all the requirements, they will simply be able to confirm the fact that the european union is really based on democratic standards and they will follow these standards in the future and the factor of the elections to the european parliament is currently being written a lot about this in particular and in the 24th

year no they will fight back after that well such technical solutions, the european commission will be formed in a new way here. also, it is probably possible to perceive the 23rd year exclusively as an intensive year for integration, this will have some significance for these elections, which means that there will be even a bureaucratic one, because we understand that when bodies change, yes, they waste some time in order to come to an understanding of the processes that are taking place , it is possible to establish some new contacts if some key people leave and others will come, but i do not think that they will somehow radically change the results of these elections for example, the consensus regarding the support of ukraine and regarding integration, we now see when the european parliament votes and makes some decisions on ukraine, they are adopted there by an overwhelming majority of votes, 95% there and 92% there. well, there may be 30 deputies who vote against or 18 against, and then this is a deputy, as a rule , of some marginal political forces who are always against anything, that is, they simply

have such a position, it is not an issue even in ukraine , well, or they are sympathizers of russia, there are not many of them , but unfortunately they remain there because the next election they drastically change this situation they will not change, but in the 23rd year we really need to work hard to have good contacts both with countries in particular and with the political forces that are there that will be represented in the european parliament, because we must not forget one such thing, these political parties, including through contacts with our parties, they will then be able to protect and lobby our interests, and we can see this , for example, our various delegations there actively cooperate with european parties, and tell about what is happening in ukraine, and then have the appropriate support in of the european parliament. where do they vote and protect our interests to a certain extent? well, some countries there, starting from poland and ending with the baltic countries, they usually take the most pro-ukrainian position, and we must do everything for that. well, at our level, from the point of view of some to whom

and so on that when the new elections are held and they may even increase their representation in the european parliament to some extent, they continued to take such maximally pro-ukrainian positions. unfortunately, so far we we understand that ukraine's membership in the european union depends not only on mr. charles michel or on the torsur-fonderians, whom we just saw on the screen and during the meeting with the ukrainian delegation, and also that it is worth gathering more partners, igor, but i wanted to write you down about the conditions that are now presented to ukraine because, in fact, the time of the full-scale invasion and the time of the great war - it happened, oddly enough, at the same time when ukraine got closer to the european union, it got, and hmm, got a candidacy in membership of the european union and so on, but how can you compare the conditions that were in place until february 24 of last year for ukraine

to become a member? and what i am saying now is the fight against corruption and all these conditions that we listed, or is it a war or something changed, after all, we are treated either more leniently or, on the contrary, they definitely treat us less critically, it is necessary to understand , well, the conditions and by and large they vowed that we would do this before a large-scale invasion, why are we doing it now, the points were for sure, the previous seven conditions were there, the previous seven conditions were announced, some more additional conditions will appear later, and we will not be able to bypass them in any way, because this is a relevant bureaucratic procedure, it is prescribed in this way, well , in the context of integration into the european union , and we will fulfill it, the only thing is that ukraine here it has an advantage in the speed of making certain decisions, first of all, due to the presence of internal political consensus. well, because we have the same verkhovna rada, which now votes for these laws, for example, european integration laws, there

are by and large no disagreements if there before a large-scale war, some political forces manipulated this issue, well, regarding should we or should we not integrate into the european union after february 24 ? everything has changed and there is no one there who is a eurosceptic and somehow blocks the adoption of those decisions that are important for our integration and in the very in the european union, the consensus became greater that many understood that if ukraine had become a member of the european union before the 22nd year, for example, these events simply would not have happened and to some extent some small but part of them of responsibility for the fact that they were delaying this decision, yes, they were constantly telling ukraine well, because it was like that, right here, we can’t not have the truth , the children, as they say, yes, that tomorrow, tomorrow above , they are not ready, it also contributed to what putin did later and he took advantage of the situation that existed. therefore, the conditions are good enough for us now. they will definitely last the whole of the 23rd year and

we will hope that they will be for the next year . of course, they primarily depend on what will happen at the front, but in the event the success of our return there temporarily occupied territories and so on. it seems to me that this is a fundamental way to speed up european integration into the european union, because now the majority there is in favor of ukraine, and some countries that have a different opinion, well, we need to work with them, we need to talk to them and implement all those reforms that we must do it first of all. for us , even these reforms are not for the european union , we also need to understand, and then when everything is done, it seems to me that the processes of this integration can really go faster than this there were other countries. thank you, mr. igor . thank you very much . transfer to ukraine

the frozen assets of kostyantyn malafeeva , the owner of the propaganda tv channel, was accused of financing separatism in crimea after the us amended its legislation, ukraine will be able to receive more than 5 million dollars for reconstruction, will other countries be able to follow this path and what should the mechanism for recovering the sky - high fortunes of russians look like in detail? million dollars under the sanctions of russian oligarch konstantin malafeev, the owner of a propaganda tv channel is accused of financing separatism in crimea, this is a clear

message of immunity and impunity for international there will be no crimes according to the new amendment to the us budget legislation, the money of the russian oligarch will be able to be directed not to the restoration of destroyed property in ukraine $5.4 million is a drop in the ocean of ukraine's needs for the reconstruction of the ps 198 million uah for the understanding of our viewers in 2021 construction of a district hospital or the building of an emergency hospital cost from 100 to 200 million hryvnias, 17 billion dollars, the government says independently that much ukraine needs for the rapid restoration of energy, humanitarian demining, reconstruction of housing and critical infrastructure this year, it is futile to hope that the kremlin will compensate for the losses, it is in vain, a much better option is to receive cosmic sums from the arrested assets of russian oligarchs, for this, the confiscation must be placed on an envelope and an international compensation fund must be created, it will require the signing

of a multilateral international agreement first, and it will be provided in this agreement as this the fund will be administered, how will these funds from the fund be transferred to ukraine, or will they be funds transferred directly to the state budget in proportion to receipts, or will some manager of these funds, which since the beginning of the full-scale invasion, western countries have frozen about 350 billion dollars of russian assets, the property of russians has been seized in the united states, switzerland, on the territory of the channel islands, and this is only the beginning of the list in sumy of frozen russian assets in the world is constantly changing, and their search continues when we talk about compensation or reparations, we have two sources, one source is russian e-e officials businessmen russian e-e private company their company and the second source is the state

russia is to create an international court with the support of the un. this is what is happening in the eu. they are working there to create a legal mechanism for compensation and transfer of assets. the reason is obvious. it is much easier to get the approval of the europeans to restore ukraine not at the expense of their taxes, but with the help of what was taken from the aggressor himself. it could be the central bank of russia, it could be gazprom. that is, we understand that these are very powerful financial tycoons and these funds would be quite necessary if the eu conditionally passes a law that would allow to transfer russian assets to ukraine without courts, this may lead to a series of scandals in european courts on the part of russian oligarchs, but ukraine can get its money relatively quickly. if you have to collect money in ukraine through the courts, the procedure can drag on for many years, and the courts can take the position of the victim, yes and the aggressor russia will not be sued, we understand, but the basic one is that a very good legal mechanism is really developed so that there is a decision from the court and

on a decision based on the court decision, ideally so that it would be good why because the scales are already the process of recognizing russia's crimes against ukraine has begun, and now that the decisions of this court are confirmed by the decisions of other judges on the transfer of this property in ukraine , it will be extremely difficult to force russia to pay for the restoration of ukraine voluntarily, and to do it forcibly by seizing the assets of the russians is quite realistic. marathon single news well, the tribunal for putin in the president's office has developed three models of the establishment of the work of a special tribunal regarding the crime of russian aggression against our state , violation of the special table based on the agreement of ukraine with the un, then a corresponding resolution of the un general assembly must be adopted. the second model is the creation of a tribunal based on a multilateral open international agreement between the states of the civilized world, and the third model proposes

to create a tribunal. how will the court work based on ukrainian law and ukrainian jurisdiction? then it will be part of the judicial system of ukraine with the involvement of an international element well, how will all this work, let's try to find out now with dmytro malevus, this is an international political scientist he joins our conversation, dmytro, good morning to you, well, let's start this way, so that it's not far away, but specifically now , all the cases about russian crimes against this whole terrorism, which the russian army arranges on the territory of ukraine, are transferred, in principle , mainly to the criminal court, there is only one problem that the criminal court of hagia will not be able to consider these cases because the criminal court works according to the principle of the rome statute, to which, in principle, this agreement has not been ratified by either ukraine or

the russian federation and therefore actually arises the idea of ​​creating all kinds of alternatives eh eh eh explain why a-ah is happening today exactly like that well, in fact, what is the problem eh-eh not only yes here in the roman statute a and eh-eh b because these crimes of russia are what it commits they are er well, they are not so terrible that er, in principle yes here they must be considered separately and er nothing so unexpected in this plan there is no yes er in my opinion the best option is the second option the one about talked about which you talked about er creating a special separate tribunal and er here just on

mainly on the basis of international multilateral such an international treaty, i.e. the joining of many countries to it, uh, by and large, it can be like that, then something similar to not something similar , it is the same by and large like the court which with which ended the second world war roberzi dresses and er, the tokyo process, they were created on the basis of a similar mechanism , er, similar mechanisms and similar tribunals were already created in such a time closer to us, it was the rwandan tribunal and the yugoslavia tribunal, they er, and they all they work great, that's why, by and large, there are problems with this, that's why there are none . and it's the other way around, in my opinion, it's such a testimony as possible, of greater legitimacy, especially

since ukraine also talked about it, and president zelensky conducted an analysis when it was considered er, this topic has been discussed practically there, if not from the first days, then from the very beginning of the war, and er, then it became clear that er , well, it will be quite difficult to reach an international consensus. the world is rocking and uh therefore, this direction is the most promising. moreover, the main thing is that the main thing is the mother crime of russia's aggression against ukraine, after which all other crimes begin, all rapes, all murders, all war crimes and

it is necessary to condemn him, but the problem is that there is institutional immunity in the leadership of the russian federation . and in order to make it possible for him to be the main culprits, it is necessary to create such a tribunal. so it could be done in an international court. but it is clear that er, you will never go er, well, in this particular case , as the world is currently arranged, as russia is a co-founding country of the un and a permanent member of the un security council, china's position is again that er, the use of these institutions is what it looks like so far to put it mildly well, it's doubtful, therefore, uh, to make a trial directly in the system of ukraine. it's also, uh, so to speak, well, it can't help but look too convincing for the whole world . well, again, uh, we can't bypass

all institutional immunity here for well for for the power of the russian federation president for of the minister of defense yes and here. in such a case, when the more countries join this created tribunal, the more its legitimacy will be, and the more it will be possible to bring these persons to justice. that's why i think so. i have the impression that our government is leaning towards this and, in principle, this is probably the best way now. especially since there is already such a large enough support that is formed as a result of such actions of various

institutions are recognized, for example, by the russian one federations by many parliaments and many authorities have already been recognized as a terrorist state by international organizations and the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe, the european parliament . in other words, all of this adds up to such a reliable base that we are laying the groundwork and, again, there is already a position. e-e individual countries that help and authoritative countries that help us e-e do this, for example , employees of ukrainian judges are already e-e ukrainian lawyers who have to work on this crime of aggression and they underwent an internship with e-e british prosecutor yes who specifically worked on the er tribunal for the crimes of the great genocide in real

yes that is, it is all already there and er exactly er again there are still and with international experts here we can mention the french forensic groups that started working er e in buchi e-e hmm others e-e and other law enforcement officers yes and criminalists who worked later in izyum e all this is already formalized at once as e-e evidence base specifically for e-e international for an international tribunal well, it does not matter yes that is, for e-e there for the international court of justice, but it's the same is drawn up as well as for the future tribunal that ukraine is forming for the very purpose of bringing the leadership of russia to justice for this crime and depriving it of the immunity of the constitutional court, you

have already mentioned the recognition of russia as a state sponsor of terrorism or a terrorist state , and so according to international law, if the state has this status and is recognized as a terrorist state by many countries of the world, this will first of all help us to attract the highest leadership of russia to responsibility because without this recognition it is too difficult to do it, can ukraine somehow speed up these processes now, or is it the recognition of this status, or is it not mandatory in order for the entire top e-e to be prisons, that is the essence of the legal point of view it is not something mandatory why because you know this, it is more like a strengthening of the legal position yes and well and the moral position of the legal position because such hmm recognition it

does not automatically entail any international persecution e iran is in the status of the country and terrorists, nevertheless, the president traveled early and the frogs were beaten even to the united states, he spoke there even with lectures, and after you gradually . that is, it does not mean that he was deprived of this immunity the head of state is therefore here uh, this is uh, and we have a different situation. yes, we uh, we are forming this tribunal, and that's why uh, when such a status is uh, in the uh, russian federation, uh, it was the first time for uh- i will strengthen the position of ukraine when it offers to join, especially

since this process is already underway. yes, it has been underway since the summer and er, the process of such er, technical at the level of experts was er , there were already specific discussions with specific countries. of course, a country that, for example, recognized russia as a sponsor of terrorism there , of course, will more easily join this international treaty on the creation of a tribunal , and that is, it also has a moral basis, and it already has it in this case, it cannot be said there unequivocally here is legal, but let's say so, here there is a strengthening of this position and uh, and this is again an explanation for, including for foreign voters, that's why here, uh,

this is exactly what is important, does the tribunal provide for justice in absentia? this i'm just now the other side of the coin about what it says. well, here we will have to proceed from what actually happened. yes, it could not. well, not that water. we are creating some such tribunal , which has already been. yes, that is, first of all, u of each of these tribunals, well, what will be provided for in the contract. what will be provided for in this contract? yes, there is its practice and its statute. yes, there is what, well, and here . moreover, it is necessary to ask the experts here. which are directly in this topic. i think that we. it seems to me that this is that this is probably maybe, but somehow, is there or am i dmitriy p-

i will interrupt you, i'm sorry, are there examples of tribunals where verdicts were handed down in absentia as far as i remember yes well, i immediately i won't give you an example, so i can't say putin and his volosy iran and other countries that are now helping russia , will they go in the same package of punishments together with russia or not? by the way, a very good question. how is the situation now, including for belarus, which is beginning to fall into one and the same package of sanctions in other statements, where there

is recognition of the belarusian regime, then, in principle, it is probably, well, purely theoretically possible all the more so that, well, there is a specific crime and belarus is an accomplice in aggression since its territory was used here as well, but well, but here, all of this is not impossible. but i think that in this particular case it is probably. well, it is unlikely, after all, in my opinion. that is, we need to open cases, we will not be able to, and even with our own evidence, having our own evidence connect it, let's say, in a concrete package of those participants of those countries that are waging war against ukraine, that's right . i think yes, i think so, if well, uh, well, and again, it's probably purely technical, it will be difficult to do exactly this. this contract by creation

the tribunal to predict in this way, although here who knows i well, i am not involved in any way in this process so that it can be said about it here, but it seems to me that there are such difficulties here, especially since in reality you will see, for example, the end of the second world war i, it is in addition to the actual nuremberg tribunal, which is for the actual direct resolution of the war, here and there, there were a series of processes there, but here, well, that is already that, this is already a bit of a different story. we can know how long it can take. how long do i think it can take? well, first of all, here is the question of when

will the conclusion of this contract begin, but this is not a quick story, that is, despite the fact that this is the first stage and where is the work on the expert level, it has already been carried out, and moreover, by and large, we see that even france is aware that its criminalists work at this very terminal, so far, it is not clear in what form, although i think that everyone is leaning towards this tribunal created specifically by an international multilateral agreement, so uh, after all , i guess, well, i think that this story is at least six months before we see any uh, although well, although i may be wrong, we may not you need to know. here you need to know how these processes take place. six months is normal , i think three. thank you for your evaluation. dmytro levos

, a political scientist, an internationalist, was with us in direct contact . a girl paints finished products with a petri dish . more than 30 will be sold by volunteers at international auctions. earned money will go to the needs of the armed forces of ukraine . what will they buy for the military? the flowers will be er yellow-red or yellow-blue would enlighten oksana zhul without a petri dish , she paints russian ironclads, dirty cartridges from the front line, the girl transforms these ornaments into real masterpieces , pure love for ukraine, that's why every one of her

the work is unrepeatable. i just take a bone, take a sleeve and apply it, and more. i feel it in this and this sleeve and everything, yes, i didn’t repeat it. in general, they are all different . the craftswoman already has as many as three dozen works and hours of painstaking work. every time, oksana improves her skill, in addition to the sleeves, they are decorated and gutted cluster ammunition and used javelins i like it so much, it's just smaller, it's more funny, and it's bigger . i think it's more beautiful. devices that from childhood until the great war painted pictures of icons, and a few months ago she began to decorate them with ancient ukrainian painting, which is also deadly iron, in order to show the world that no war is worth human lives. well, they are heavy because they bring suffering to us

, ukrainians, how many people are left now without a home without parents, well, this is generally the most painful topic for me in the use of shell casings and rocket fragments, whole boxes of such rubbish from the front, every week the volunteer igor brings these from the soledar, this is the 10th brigade. artillerymen smashed the ork art battery and pulled out such a big pile of cartridges from soviet times. that is, these are fairy tales that our enemies only have new modern weapons . they remain fairy tales. igor has hundreds of such cartridges, most of them cartridges that misfired, did not fire, that is, you see, the cartridge case is new inside who came to collect the report, forgot the degree, but did not want to shoot. the guys unpack them, get the lighters, hand them over to us . when the craftswoman had so many creations , she decided that ready-made products could be used for them