[000:00:00;00] almost all the leading russian media have heard it, but i honestly haven’t seen odesa. it was arestovych who said it. although there is a quote from him here, there is even a video for a minute and a half where he says it , so i understand that it is not a fake. well, that’s why i would like to mention it. well, gentlemen, let's take a look, let's move on, but to begin with, we would like to show you how good russians are brought to tatarstan , they became good on ukrainian soil and how they say goodbye, can you imagine in ukraine when they bring us even those of our military then people line up in some sort of columns meet the cortege meet with lamps kneel down i don’t know at least in my native town in the lviv oblast yes that’s how

they say goodbye around lviv there is always a car with flashing lights accompanying them always everyone stops and i think it’s a whole like that they bring those who bring some in the boxes, in those boxes there is a coffin and a certain wreath, which was probably issued by the state, moreover, artificial flowers in our country, the church urges not to carry artificial flowers to the cemetery, because it is a shame for of nature and here they brought them in such a box and goodbye thank you who uh fought and who died, by the way, they buried some former prisoner and one of the wagners, that’s right there, just at the end uh, a plaque there for each for each this year for each there is such a sign attached to the house, if you watch the video further, everyone has already looked at it. who is this? one of the wagnerites was 14 years old because

he was afraid to kill his fellow drinker in a quarrel, so he went to prison and was released until the end of his term. prematurely well, why should he go there, so to speak, and the road is covered with a tablecloth. let the tablecloth spread, which is a beautiful ukrainian word . oleksiy koshel, the head of the committee of voters of ukraine , joins our heter , oleksiy. good morning to you. from all possible sources but i think that the russians will not think about it

moscow-petersburg is real russian, the second is the suburbs, that is, diverse, what in ukraine we call indigenous peoples, russia is called a derogatory word, little and no people, and again, they use other hidden forms now, this is alimony, those who do not pay alimony - these are people who have dual citizenship now the risk zone is where the first raids were carried out on kyrgyz citizens who received dual citizenship and what is important to say to emphasize preparation to ethnic ukrainians who received dual citizenship in the last 10 years of the war dear you in in the large risk zone, you have the opportunity to choose through turkey, through other countries, you are chosen in the large risk zone, the boy who was beaten for the blue and yellow color of this vratrushka , what is it called, it also applies to him , the boy remains and there was no one there , he was already told that he is ukrainian, which means there will be no more life for oleksii. i'm just kidding, of course, the news in russia

is that a child was beaten because her mother bought her such an inflatable sled, so conventional, so you can call it a cake or a pie, it's called eh the sandwich is somehow so uh, and the child was beaten by others because this cake was inflatable, it was blue-yellow in color, and this is the story, well , in principle , there is probably nothing strange in this, uh, for russia, more than 70% of russians are in favor of with such recent studies, the levada center continues to support this war, and it is very interesting to observe that, by the way , i read on the atlantic chancellery that even those russians who escaped from russia are afraid , fearing mobilization, or not wanting to stay in a country that will lose and fall

their standard of living in a new city, living in countries that gave them shelter, they by no means organize any protests against the war, although it seemed that there was no longer any fear here. on the contrary, it would even probably be normal without it being accepted. the part means that even those russians who do not want to take part in the war, they don’t want to be putin’s voters. they are still at least not against this war. you know what strikes me in this story is that we don’t even see individual protests when, say , the russians came to the parliaments of european countries, which they moved to europe, they went out with individual protests, even this is not there, after all, this fear of the regime is becoming, it is already moving to the genetic level, and i think that it will be very difficult to drive away this fear, that is , the russians are a list to be afraid of for generations to come, but with regard to levad's data of the center, uh, i am very careful about

any figures related to russian sociology, including the levada center , despite the fact that it was a fairly authoritative structure at least before, well, first of all , let's not forget that part of russians simply they are intimidated, they are simply afraid, and among them they are afraid to answer interviews or vegetables in real time or in a telephone format, that is, this fear gives an extremely large error, secondly, i saw in my time, uh, large discrepancies between the levada center data and the public according to the statement of his head, levada, the director of the center, said that he is sending a condolence commenting on the events of september and october of last year related to mobilization, he indicated that citizens' sentiments regarding mobilization are increasing sharply. but at

the same time, according to the words, there is a sharp increase according to levada, the center is fine, everything is good, everything is moving according to plan, that is why i am alarmed by these figures. i think that even independence, sociological structures, they are more hard pressing, hard, hard control of the kremlin. but still, i think that the real picture is different from what it is . even that that you and i mentioned the hidden forms of mobilization when citizens push citizens to think yes, they are mobilizing ukrainian khokhlas, what a pity it is the kyrgyz , they are narrow-minded, the empire has given labels to everyone made a lot of nationalities second-class people, that's why this approach is suitable now, but because of the fear of mobilization , because the problem is with such protest actions, let it not be against the war, but protest actions regarding the drop in the standard of living there, protest actions related to

by the effect of protection. by the way, this is serious in certain regions. i think that now there is a very big discrepancy, and after all , there are grounds for such fears of the kremlin. i don't know if you have seen the photos of ramzan kadyrov, who, well, has changed a lot, striking changed in a short period of time, here they found his photos there for the 22nd of february and already february of this year it's just somehow like two different people what's going on say that he's there about a failed plastic surgery i don't know if it's a failed surgery he often flies to rest somewhere some uh countries are warm uh hmm is this a consequence of that vacation is it a consequence of something else and is he still in the war

or has he already fought and is already resting i think this should be discussed with individual doctors maybe narcologists i am not an expert in these questions, but the difference is striking, but please note that despite all his seemingly crazy statements , er , unreasonable statements. attention, the struggle for power is taking place. it is simply colossal, that is, kadyrov has changed not only externally. kadyrov allows himself to openly criticize the russian government. by separate russian governors, this group of kadyrov and prigozhina, she left, simply not knowing the boundaries, simply not knowing the boundaries, and yesterday there was an interesting statement, it seems that the american

intelligence-intelligence just said that this group they are fighting there for gypsum quarries material wealth i think that first of all this is about what the main source of income in russia is power is access to power access to the budget access to unlimited oil gas money and now this struggle is happening for us actually it is very good the more they will gnaw, the more they will conflict. the more it will generally weaken the russian government and now, by the way, another process will begin. or maybe it has already begun. i think that kadyrov prigozhin actively joined putin's election campaign, but let's not forget that in march next year that is, in a little more than a year. there will be presidential elections, and i do not rule out the fact that they have already joined the fight for who will be putin's technical candidate

or who will possibly lead the technical party on in the next duma elections, this struggle has begun, and it is very important for us to understand what is happening in russia , how we can beat them in a non-military way, where are their pain points . so far, it is very, very satisfying, because otaki is also interesting. by the way, the phrase is when it seems muravelski. fought for independence and it was a very strange phrase of the report, it really sounded like wow , we haven’t left these ideas here in principle yet , i want to and was an opponent of dudayev well, let’s not forget that kadyrov is also the author of another phrase

that was printed at the time in the russian media, he said almost verbatim yes the first russian i killed when i was 16 years old this phrase must be remembered and i remember i was in chechnya in the first days after the end of the first chechen war and i had the impression that it was not the case that there were almost 100% adult men they held weapons in their hands and even 13-year-old boys fought. i think that the fight for independence remained in the memory , and there will be more to come . not yet not yet because they simply live at the expense of the russian budget of the central budget 80% of funds in chechnya, this is moscow's money, money from the central budget through these ultra-luxurious motorcades of kadyrov, 70 cars each for little chechnya, this is simply ridiculous. these are the largest mosques in europe. this is mega construction and mega thefts, but in the future

i think we will definitely see a war by independence, these local elections are in quotation marks, which the russians can once again hold in the temporarily occupied territories, and in order to consolidate their interests or raise the stakes , let's say, in an attempt to keep them. do we need to pay attention to this in principle? there a few months ago, are these plans? in principle , what do they mean? what do they give to the russians? will they be implemented? well, again, you and i mentioned putin's election campaign. and the so -called elections in the occupied territories. the beginning of september next year, that is, it will already be such an active phase of the election campaign, that is why these elections will be important for putin, they will not take place, it will just be some kind of picture in russian snakes, but this picture will be important, it will fit into

the canvas of the election campaign, but we need to i am convinced to do it is definitely the work of the e program in order to convey to the world theses about the illegality of these elections and thus, with these theses of this work , simply increase the sanctions pressure there, others options for pressure on russia, and in any thesis, any mention, any statement of the ukrainian parliament regarding the illegality of the elections, but at first glance it may seem like a small thing to us, but in fact it is the basis of politicians, including sanctions politicians, this will be a serious pressure but for the whole world and for us, this picture will be for the mass media , this picture will not play a fundamental role at all, uh, well, thank you very much, oleksiy oleksiy koshel, the head of the committee of voters

of ukraine, was with us. thank you for this conversation, uh listen, well, what's with us in the meantime, let's talk a little more, i'm asking you to talk - the earthquake, of course, in turkey is terrible, they say the victims are huge and the destruction at the beginning of our only ether is huge, and these pictures , of course, of course, after what we see in ukraine after the war, these pictures are very reminiscent of what is russia doing there, the elements are doing it, but despite the fact that ukrainians have been living in such total pain for a whole year, read the posts of ukrainians about the fact that they sympathize with citizens of turkey, guests of turkey, for what is happening to them now it shows how human we are, how cruel even this war is, it still leaves something human in us

, we are not hardened by the fact that every time we face some kind of pain, we will now talk to the deputy head of the ukrainian cultural society in istanbul she joins our air, mrs. aliya usenova, we will talk with her about how you are experiencing turkey, what is happening in the country now, mrs. olya, we welcome you to our air, first of all, we sympathize with everything that is happening, we sympathize with those people who are now losing their relatives and their homes, we understand how much it is, how much it is a huge pain . please tell me if it is calm now or if there are no tremors in those on duty in turkey. well, first of all, we can say that this time it is actually such an earthquake and

which no one was prepared for because it was two huge earthquakes at the same time only 9 such hours passed after the first earthquake and another earthquake already happened and here they are they do not end we can say that they continues somewhere every er er 10 or 15 minutes er this is this it continues and actually from the point of view of what ah these virtual ones somehow do this it's very disturbing because this destruction continues and you know uh when i started to celebrate after this at the beginning, everyone was talking only about well, only if you can say that about 100 dead and now it is already 3380 one person injured 20426 people and

5,775 houses were destroyed that is, it is actually very, very much about how turkey was turkey before that ready we can to say well, it is almost impossible to be ready for what is happening now . and what can we say before turkey accepted all this, in fact, they worked it all out , as they say, for 12 points, that is, they are now very ready for all this, they do not provide assistance to their citizens and in every school now in turkey, it's ah every school has turned into such a center of invincibility, they collect help, they collect funds, and uh, in fact , i can say that this is the kind of organization that can be congratulated with envy. if that's possible to say, that is, the most ordinary turks, and that’s all of them, or all of them, how did people perceive

it all, or that? is it observed? this is some kind of sacrifice , helping each other. trust in society . they immediately began to collect help. at this bus station there was an incredibly large number of people who came there and began to shout even er in this there is such a small place er between ankara and istanbul god and when they er announced that they needed krill the blood gathered, only a lot of people said that it's enough for today, we still can't take it anymore and in fact they are collecting very, very much help with numbers, well , you know, i'm saying that they are leaning, they are leaning into them, everything is fine, everything will be

fine with them the only thing is from the point of view of the weather if it happened a week or two therefore it would be much better because in recent days in turkey the weather is very cold and er especially where there were earthquakes there is now snow and but unfortunately it changes the chances of rescue and when they ask, well, they write every time so many have died, so many have died, so many injured, you know, every hour, unfortunately, the chances of people to save themselves are decreasing, and you can also say that, unfortunately, you know, in 1999 , the internet was not so widespread, so ah from the point of view of coordination it was much more difficult than now but from the point of view of the fact that there were no such er you know some rumors who what er people some people are starting to write

some such excuse the nonsense that cases are already being filed against them because they started stand there is panic among the people, they are writing that there will be some more, someone said that there will be a big, big earthquake in istanbul. do you care whether there or there or there? i can say that now the authorities of turkey are already competently initiating cases against all those who from this panic in on social networks, please, always tell me when there are such natural disasters or such grief, well, ukrainian rescuers went to help, provided their help in other countries, i don’t know how now, because ukrainian rescuers have enough work now, and in ukraine, are there rescuers some

missions from other countries who helps in what way, a lot, a lot of people, first of all, it was azerbaijan, of course , did they come from taiwan? i know that they will come with bulgaria from israel, and well, i didn’t even want to discuss it, but we don’t respect chalk very much with names there is also ukraine is also going to provide aid, zelenskyi said about it, do they expect help from ukraine, which is currently at war ? do we want to help it the most it is important and when we write about it, in fact, turks, they are of course turks, they are very grateful to us, for example, i don’t know if you know, in istanbul we

have been holding rallies every day for more than 11 months, this is an initiative group of our cultural ukrainian cultural society, which is our name there was a protest and we were every uh before it happened every day for the last week or so - it's 5 days a week and when it happened uh the first thing i did was i called the police because i know that in such situations they have some uh -e uniforms to others, that is, to the cities where the earthquake took place, they also donate blood , what i told you. well, if you participate , we will now take a break for one week , and the first thing i heard from the police was very, very grateful and in fact they are turks they are such people they are very grateful they help and they are very pleased when someone helps them and even our communities

have now started collecting aid, for example our group that does not go to rallies now , we have already started collecting help our e-friends the king has already started handing in, that is, and here they take it as a big thank you, it is very, very important for them to be the panel that we are our response to this trouble of theirs, but in the first full-scale invasion of russia into ukraine, many ukrainians who were fleeing from russian bombs or is there any information about whether there is anyone among them who was injured as a result of this earthquake, well, now they say that they cannot. well, what i know is that somewhere there it was not like that, we can see what is happening, but now, according to the official data of our diplomats, there is er 21

a person with whom you can't well, they couldn't establish a connection with er , they found six more people and they're all right, but they were left without er somehow, but you mentioned what you're doing so far every week there are actions in istanbul, are there every day even do you have incidents with the cream , maybe some and i don’t know, pleasant with russian tourists well, i can tell you what is actually it is very interesting because what we uh see exactly at these rallies is something incredible happens, people come up to us, people start crying and when we ask which one you are the cities they say i'm from moscow i'm from petersburg excuse us there is also such a one there are some show yours excuse me show the middle finger they start shouting that there will be no ukraine

ukraine will disappear who what for example yesterday i received a decision from the prosecutor's office eh it was in the summer when one eh how do you say it? a lady from russia passed by our rally and when she heard our slogans that aggression is a terrorist , she told us that ukraine will disappear, ukraine will no longer exist. a decision came from the prosecutor that what we are saying is not an insult and uh, not uh, well , that means there won't

be any kind of persecution. to speak frankly in turkey. are the russians who moved to turkey not willing to take part in the war, be mobilized, or are they organizing any actions in support of ukraine ? no, they are not organizing them, because you know . they wanted to organize, they even approached they said to me we want to hold such a rally against the war, how are you going to do it, and i said, i'm sorry, but you are citizens of the aggressor country, so even if you want to, you want to do some kind of useful event like that, they won't give you permission the government does not give them permission and there are citizens of russia who come to us who join us and you know here are some slogans that, well, even about these er russian ship which we are forbidden to speak as we spoke in ukraine we say go home or already arrived and

these citizens of russia, they are yelling at reviews are louder than women's there is such a yes there are such well because you know in fact if we speak frankly people come people come people er for example this nizhnevartushka there is a guy what kind of guy will come to us i'm telling you already from here he tells you i reduce it is clear he says i he used to go to rallies in his own country. well, there was a little bit of obscenity there. he said that he was beaten and he was upset. they join us they come er he er donate he donates a lot and he says that i will not return to russia so far there is such

a cannibalistic regime and it is not one person there are such there are well that is already the case it is a good russian as if they after all, there are questions about how many russians they are still, if they basically have nothing to do in russia . nothing good awaits them there, i always tell them , guys, look at this, please. go back to your country. you will not be able to run all your life you have to return home and do what you have to do there, because not a single country will provide you with housing for the rest of your life. as you know now , in georgia, in kazakhstan, in kyrgyzstan, they don't want them anymore. they don't grant a residence permit in turkey - this is also why i say if there are cockroaches in your home, you don't leave it, you come home and

you do what you have to do with these old people. your country, finally make it livable and don't take it away. other people's lives in their cozy reality cell thank you very much madam but everything new was with us from the ukrainian cultural society in the city of istanbul, which operates and told us about what is happening in turkey. well, she also told us about the turkish people, who suffered a lot from a huge earthquake , the strongest in 1939. in almost 100 years, the strongest earthquake, more than 4,000 dead , more than 20,000 parameters. thank you to those ukrainians who support the turks, and those who suffered. thank you to turkey, which still remains with ukraine under such conditions. now, er, we will have er, iryna koval, the news is next, we will find out what happened in the last hour. thank you, lesya. well

, i will talk about turkey in the issue, because the number of our ukrainians who do not get in touch and