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the pro-mother and the birthplace of nazism as we knew it in the 20th century and as it is we know in the 21st century the origins of russian nazism and today's russian racism , what it threatens, how it was born and what the main signs of this racism remain today and how it manifests itself, so to speak, in a war against an independent state, which is ukraine now the light will appear and we hmm you will see me better and we will talk well let's go right away let me introduce the guest with whom we will start our conversation i invited oleg kudri to the conversation on journalist writer oleg i congratulate you well actually oleg and described about

racism and with his main features , that's why we invited him to join us a little later. people in ukraine, first of all, oleg, let's get started. i would like to ask about something . when in russia, according to your data, according to your observations, according to your research , when was nazism born in russia? the entourage with which hitler unleashed the second world war together with stalin, please, well, this is not such a simple question. if we clearly outline what nazism is and to what extent the worldview, ideology and practice that russia is currently introducing is nazi, then well we have to. well, we have to go. hmm, get to the roots. i am now

a correspondent of ukronform and i am currently printing, publishing, and teaching my research guide to the racism of putinism . and there i come to the conclusion that racism is a stable worldview of great russian chauvinism that has several centuries. eh history eh he is like that he is the basis of putinism - this is the regime that formed under putin hmm from the beginning it was just a criminal mafia regime but in recent years eh they joined eh putin putinism cream-technological it used eh ancient imperial chauvinist saccharine e-e theories of worldview and this is where what can be called fascism , nazi nazism, fascist nazi practices was born

. the fact is that there are very hot disputes going on in the world right now, but how fair is it, how can it be used, or is it not a reflection of russian accusations against ukraine in fascism, nazism and such an instrumental purely political accusation. we remember that oleksandr matil is an american researcher of ukrainian origin who later timothy snyder said that the russian regime can be considered fascist , but many deny it, and these are such long scientific disputes, in my opinion, it is very important, uh , as objectively as possible, to investigate and in this matter to separate, separate, uh, the elements of the information war, uh, political

the use of this word from er objective reality er, my last publication is dedicated to what putin er shows in his victory, he says that er russians are a nation of winners genetically and this is already hmm this is already an element exactly nazi approach and we see that this statement by putin is reflected in russian propaganda, in russian practice, in practice, in russian so-called legislation, and this shows that, well, i guess you can call it nazism in some way, sir, but now only quotes a few ladies and well we will add lesya to the conversation. no, i’m there right now, the technical

problems will be solved. well, maybe i think that many people have read this or studied the russian revolution of the 17th year in general, which turned into a civil war and up to the creation of the union of soviet socialist republics, then it included russia , the transcaucasian republic, ukraine, and belarus, so bukharin wrote that the fascists were hurting, other parties mastered the practice of the russian revolution, fascism is the maximum use of bolshevik practice in the sense of merciless destruction of the enemy. the shake-up will begin in germany, eh, did he write about the fact that bringing hitler to power will strengthen the ego, this is what stalin already wrote about pushing and aggression нескредитировать razgormnyt и дражеть германия советский excuse me, this is not stalin, it

was written by bunich and er, we will quote another such thing in the 38th year, the second world war had already begun, molotov wrote, and it is necessary to help hitler so that he could fight from england france here. i put a little bit of everything into one thing, but the point remains that the russian revolution was consonant with fascism. ask what bukharin wrote about. well, you know very well the revealing quote of lenin, you just said about this criminal mafia clan that came to power in russia own criminal mafia composition, trotsky, sverdlov, and lenin could be called the whole frunze group that came to power at that time, that seized power in russia, and when lenin was told that his policy was destructive for russia, lenin said a very characteristic phrase he told me to spit on russia, bro, i'm a revolutionary, and actually today 's putin and his trinity in this lake cooperative and those who joined them should also spit on this , they actually found a country that can become

the heart of the revolution and now become the heart certain changes in the world that they just need, russia is the people who will endure and who are ready to live. forgive me in the anthem in order for a group of people to realize their ambitions. it's called and now add olesya's conversations to nia a-a politics of a political scientist, public and cultural activist mr. olesya, i congratulate you, let's start p oleg then well, good day and good afternoon already now, we 'll wait p oleg, then i'd like you commented on this. it is this period of the 17th, 21st, and 22nd years of the birth of the soviet state, and these are the statements of the ideologues and creators of the russian revolution, can they be called what they are, the people who

actually created nazism, fascism, and so on the dominance of a certain idea over the peoples and to the detriment of these peoples, please, oles, i congratulate you, then let's do it now. yes, good day , a question for you. this is what i formulated now, i will put it aside for now. equals nazism do you agree with this phrase or do you not agree with the russian and er ideology, their activities can be interpreted as not nazism , i.e. updating in modern conditions er nazi theories and practices, which is meant, first of all , that the basis of er nazi ideology is the exaltation of one's own nation ethnicities over the ethnicities of other states, we see that from practice i apologize in the ideology of russia

, first of all, the study of russians over others, that is , close to what they claim about the non -existence of other peoples, for example, ukrainians they the existence of other languages ​​of the ukrainian language and wish that the russians have an advantage in worldview and ideological mentality over others, this can be traced back to ancient times , but the ideology of russian measures adopted by putin and the current clique, and they were most manifested in relation to work, and this is also in this completely coincides with the nazi ideology. where are the so-called aryans for the ideology that was adopted by the nsdp and they rose above other nations in relation to the practice here to assert this ideology of the elevation

of the germans there and the russians here over other ethnic groups? we are talking about the conquest of the living space, that is, the practices coincide there, this advance was primarily to the east , the conquest of poland, the czech republic, and then other countries in order to be able to displace or evict the local population and settle them with germans or educate them as so-called money changers, that is, a mixed population or although the so-called cowherds are partly of german origin , we see a completely similar practice, and in russia, the conquest of territorial space is the seizure of territory after either

the physical extermination or displacement of persons and attempts at assimilation here are due to the conditional factors of upbringing, only russia, that is, both ideology and practice absolutely coincide with nazi ideology and practice, another matter is that the term neo-nazism itself is less used in the world and is less popular, therefore, if it is purely from the polish point of view, to call the russian miracle and russian practice fascist, it becomes it is more understandable than and not nazi but in fact it is not nazism, it’s safe, oleg, we are now watching our own, the whole world is watching those manifestations of neo-nazism and which we see in russia the burning of literature in the occupied territories of ukraine, which they occupy, of any ukrainian literature , teaching children in the occupied territories their ideas , the actual destruction of the intelligentsia, the destruction of ukrainians simply based on their ethnic characteristics , ukrainians, i mean mental ones, because

actually, i i'm not saying that, of course, by shooting, let's say, cars that were leaving from kyiv or chernihiv or now leaving from the south of the country, they don't know who is sitting in these cars, ideological ukrainians or non-ideological ones, but it's just that they are still the extermination of ukrainians and all kinds of denials in principle of ukrainians as a people with the right to self-determination, actually this is very similar to the pictures we remember from the nazi practice of the 30s of the last century, burned literature, the destruction of a certain ideology that they do not need, this is all today russia is doing, and i want to call you mr. oleg. are they imitating what hitler did, or are they copying what hitler did? with the ideology of nazism it's just you know, such a fool or a drunk vanka, he takes something and does it without thinking why he does it, please p. this is a question for you, if

the generalization is what i heard from the honorable mr. before, partly what i hear from you these are precisely these theses, uh, western scientists, many of the western scientists, uh, cite as an example to show the politicization, uh , politicization of the fact that russia is equal to nazism, this is what russia is doing - these are terrible, terrible crimes, these are elements of genocide, but genocide is not equal you understand from researchers from scientists at humanitarians who research totalitarian regimes, authoritarian totalitarian regimes, fascism , nazism, they have a clear definition of these crimes - these are genocide, these are terrible crimes ,

this is genocide. what is a higher race, what did they call it for them once and it was not only white , black and yellow races, we they called some ethnic elements that are higher, the higher race are the aryans and germans as the best example of a higher race and they are higher than a dozen in russia in this and that appearance in the form of no there are small elements of this when nikonov, molotov's grandson, said that the textbook should include the fact that the rivers descended from the carpathian mountains and became russians, something like that, i gave an example of genetic superiority, what is the thesis which putin promotes, but in russia, racism is somewhat different, and putinism promotes somewhat different theories, if it can be called theories at all, because it all comes together, will be built

along the way, along the way, if the nazis destroyed the jews for is genetics if a jew wanted to say that he was a german, then he was not allowed to do so; if a jew said that he was a patriot of germany, this was not recognized by the russians, they have a different practice, they want to destroy identity - this falls under the un signs of genocide, but this is not an absolute repetition of the nazi practical ukrainians who agree to leave their own self -consciously ukrainian identity, they will gladly accept these ukrainians to the russians, and then they burn books and take away and steal ukrainian

children, just like the germans did, but it is important to say here that the germans abducted children who, according to anthropometric data, fell under their idea of ​​aryanism, who fit into the parameters of aryanism, and yes , the russians take ukrainian children and want to raise them. as ukrainians, that is why i want to say that what i am saying is possible it is too boring and not interesting. but if we want to argue with scientists, including western scientists, then we must clearly define the terms and clearly argue everything and not make too big a generalization that nazism is completely consistent with

with what russia is doing now, there are elements of this in russia, there is no doubt about what is known, the report on the genocide pointed out that there are definitely manifestations of the genocidal policy of the russians towards the ukrainians, but to say that this is the absolute equivalent of nazism, well, this is some exaggeration at this point, but the most interesting thing is that russia even before hitler actually appeared as a political leader on the territory of germany, and the ideas of nazism were already being implemented in russia, in particular, they created an institute that was supposed to produce the blood of an ideal new person there, the institute of this blood on which research is being conducted and they always said that we russians do this first , and the germans are our younger brother well, actually, this younger brother then adopted these ideas and started the second world war together with hitler, together with the old man, but with this idea they existed about creation over man it's just that hitler created an ideal aryan in the soviet union, they created such an ideal soviet person, but neither one nor the other succeeded in these ideas, they were well, it is obviously

possible because at that time these ideas prevail as they say out in the open, just in soviet russia, there are bolsheviks and hitler. as the leader of the nsdp, they implemented these ideas. yes, but these ideas were supported. by the way, in the united states of america, and they were supported by someone somewhere in england, and someone in france supported them. and these ideas until now, there are many people supporting nazi ideas all over the world . well, let's take this norwegian terrorist who is in prison there now and everything is fine with him , but he killed a bunch of people on the island of uteya, he also supported the nazi idea, and what is interesting is that among the russian army that is fighting today on the territory of ukraine, there is such a collective hodgepodge there are also battalions of neo-nazis, uh. here is this well-known neo-nazi, because he is belarusian by origin, or who, i forgot his last name, who, frankly, we came to destroy ukrainians, he openly preaches the idea of ​​nazism many russians have swastika tattoos on their bodies, that is, these nazi ideas are also concrete. i am not saying that now the army is all over the place. olesya. i would like you to write down

what i think. copy what can fit into his idea, did he start this war, a great war, a great invasion, already having a certain ideology, because it seems to me that he very quickly tries to trace everything from the russian empire to stalin, then he runs to stalingrad, then he is soviet the union reproduces the russian empire , it gives me the impression that he himself does not know what idea to put under his platform on which he is going. now with this war. what is your impression, mr. oles? the ideas of the so-called russian measure can be considered and should be called neo-nazism, we emphasize neo-nazism, that is, there is a prefix neo , that is, an updated, modernized, modern nazism, because if we talk about pressure ideology, if we talk about a scientific approach, then we are talking about the ideology of only one party, the nsdp, that is, the national socialist workers' party the party

of germany is clear that after its liquidation we will dissolve it and take it away. from a scientific point of view , no one can talk about nazism as an ideology in this party, but the day after the banning of this party we can talk about neo-nazism, and we can talk about the main e-e essence of its elements, the essence of the element of nazism is the elevation of one's own nation, one's own ethnicity over others, similar to the ideology of the so-called russian dream, russians agree to the treaty measure, once again they announce that they are higher than ukrainians its development , the level of culture, the level of statehood, and so on. this is absolutely analogous to nazi ideas , so denying it in and trusting peace

seems to me not very correct, are the differences indisputable, can we talk about the difference? that according to the nazi ideology, belonging to the superior aryan race, so-called, could only be based on the principle of blood , not education, but the presence, or full or at least partial, of the ideology of the russian world. a russian can become a person not of russian origin, not of russian origin, but with a russian worldview, that is, it is enough to refuse from your own language and your own education of your own self-awareness and declare yourself a russian and you can then belong to the so-called russian volume, a significant part of the collaborators traitors are the number of ukrainians. they can once again profess the ideology of the russian measure. we will use the ideology of neo-nazism. it will also be based on origin, ethnicity, um, even according to

previous citizenship, and ukrainians are definitely different in this, so we emphasize once again that it is not about nazism, but about not about nazism about renewed nazism cromodern is about the same in the form of our so-called russian measure, is there still a difference so safely and i don’t think that putin and his clique are copying hitler’s ideas in everything, no, they are largely based based on the centuries-old experience of the russian empire, this is a nationalistic imperial practice that is repeated by putin to a large extent . only for putin

it was used before stalin before it was used in the russian empire, that is, the territory is taken over so let's take for example for some reason, some of us call the kubanka the ukrainian territory. no, this is the land of the adykhivka, who lived there for several centuries, and during the capture of the northern caucasus, and the digi were exterminated, and part of it was resettled in the territory of modern turkey. at the time of the decree on the recognition as genocide of the extermination and resettlement of the people of the addressee peoples, the creativity of the people of adresia was subsequently brought to this territory by representatives of two ethnic groups , first of all, it was ukrainian, and at that time, idonan

donkeys were not yet powerful for the russian ethnos , and a new identity was being mixed and created, the russian structure of the fact that even the language had not yet been lost, the ukrainian, or even at first the consciousness remained in a state of confusion in 1897 and then during the movement of 1926 , most of it the population of kuban recognized their language or little russian recorded in 1897 or about 51% in 1526 as ukrainian. here, but in the future, they formed a russian worldview and now we see that the kubans participate, unfortunately, in aggressive actions against ukrainians on the territory of ukraine during the war on the part of russia . therefore, the practice of the so-called russian measure is not nazi in

the form of putin, it was largely based on the previous practice of the russian empire and the ussr, that is, in this regard , it is indisputable that the nazism of the russian mir , he relies to a large extent on the history of the creation of the russian state on long-term nationalism, which was inherent in the imperialism of the russian state , so the origins of neo-nazism in the russian state are actually many. we cannot reduce it only to ideas of the nsdp and the idea of ​​nazism, that is, they are based on many components , but by definition we can dictate it as not nazism, because i

emphasize once again. the extermination of other ethnic groups or the recognition of themselves as russians from a worldview. that is, their goal is to increase the russian and ethnos at the expense of neighboring peoples, and this is for those who do not want to assimilate with them to exterminate or evict them, this is what they are trying to do now, he once said putin that even if there is a nuclear war, all of us russians will go to heaven, all the others will go to hell, well, even in this , in these words of his that before the great invasion, it is read that russians supposedly have some greater rights or some special place before god, then only i don't know what kind of god they have, but recently putin arrived in volograd there, although for one day the city was renamed stalingrad, even a monument to stalin was opened 80 years ago, in february 1943 , paulus's army surrendered near stalingrad and putin he really wanted to this date well, because actually the dates of the beginning and end of a possible war coincide, he really wanted to get a victory under bakhmut

, of course, because actually the battles for bakhmut began in the summer. in the ukrainian army, there was no freddy mercheva paulus who would have surrendered, so it did not work out, but then he came to volgograd and there he spoke to the youth, we will now listen to one of his quotes and then continue with this country there is always someone who does not stop fighting, and some people said how boring the world is when no one fights with russia. this is not a joke , this is a story about specific political figures of the past and western countries, so it has always been our main task to ensure the preservation of russia, to create a condition for progressive development for its strengthening , this task will definitely be solved, but only one of the components of the work will be