[000:00:00;00] and the question must be resolved in favor of the ukrainian people. but which church will take care of these structures of this lavra? this is already a question that will be resolved between these churches and the authorities. thank you very much for , as always, a very balanced analysis of what is happening . science, religion, connoisseur, member of the initiative group, was in touch with us on december 1. well, having literally half a minute , i want to thank our viewers who exceeded our one-hour schedule with you plan and collected a total of uah 306,557 in the bank. i will remind you about the needs of the 406th separate artillery brigade, we must help our defenders. continue to do it. tomorrow i will remind you again. how it can be done and what

the espresso tv channel cares about. and then the verdict serhii rudenko glory to ukraine is a program verdict my name is serhii rudenko . good day and good health to all. today , february 9, 351 years of heroic resistance of the ukrainian people to the russian invaders , russian troops have launched an offensive in luhansk oblast, reports the american institute. the study of the war bakhmuti's morning began with battles on the northern flank, in the meantime, president zelenskyi is in brussels, where he already spoke before the european parliament, we know that yesterday he visited london and paris, where he had meetings with the heads of states other than great britain, france and germany, in the meantime the russian army continues to lose manpower and equipment in ukraine as of

the morning of february 9, russia has already lost 135,000 10 people in ukraine in the last day alone, the armed forces of ukraine destroyed 910 orks initially during the great war, the russians have already lost 3,255 tanks, 6,468 armored fighting vehicles, 2,2244 artillery systems, 463 multiple-launch rocket systems , 232 anti-aircraft defense systems , 295 aircraft, 285 helicopters, 5,121 vehicles, 18 boats, 796 cruise missiles, 1,967 drones, and 211 units of special equipment. conducts negotiations with the leaders of european countries and with e deputies of the european parliament ukraine is waiting for planes and tanks poland

calls russia a terrorist country about this and we will talk about other things during the next hour. i want to introduce today's guest, he is a politician, diplomat , minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014-2019, pavlo klimkin. good day, mr. pavlo. good day, good health to you and thank you for joining our broadcast. greetings to all friends, i am glad to be with you so, yesterday, volodymyr zelenskyi started a big european tour, a big one. i mean not in terms of the volume of the meeting, but in terms of the results, the first of which we have already seen, but zelenskyi's visit to europe continues today the president of ukraine spoke in the european parliament, he expressed his gratitude to the current leaders of european countries who provide ukraine with unprecedented support

. of course, zelenskyi talked about the fact that the current lower europe is finally freed from the destructive dependence on russian fossil fuels . europe is being cleansed of the corrupting influence of russian oligarchic business. agents of the russian special services, who let 's hear what zelensky said today in the european parliament, the previous wave of leaders considered impossible europe is finally freed from the destructive dependence on russian fossil fuels europe is being cleansed of the corrupting influence of russian oligarchic business europe is protecting itself from the infiltration of agents of the russian special services who considered europe even as a place for hunting opponents of the russian dictatorship for the first time in

its history the european union is providing such military assistance scale and for the first time in history is preparing, i believe, a positive assessment of internal reforms in a european country that is defending itself against all-out war and at the same time by fighting, modernizing its institutions, we are getting closer to the european union, ukraine will be a member of the european union, ukraine, what is ukraine that is winning , a member of the european union , what is winning , so, pavlo, let's start with the interim results of volodymyr zelenskyi's european tour. this is the completion of the formation of the anti-putin coalition, and a rather powerful and putin-led coalition, so that the main

emphases in the policy of this coalition are now being set, the coalition is already it is formed and i see that it will not sweat how you started the conversation today, there are those who want to temporarily jump out of this coalition, when we say that europe is getting rid of the destructive influence of energy carriers or oligarchic influence, we see that so far a part of russian energy carriers, especially on e-e pipeline of oil or gas , it is going. we also see that some leaders of european countries, for example, viktor gorba , even want to exclude russian oligarchs from the sanctions lists, i do not think that

urban really hopes that they hurt are excluded, but he wants to show that he is still unique and seemingly independent in the european game, it is clear that he will use this for his game but nevertheless, the coalition is clearly already there, and that is why zelensky's address was about the fact that there is no separate ukrainian-russian war and that russia has actually become anti-european , that putin's regime threatens the european way of life, that is, the threat exists for everyone regardless of who he is and what he does in europe and around this threat we need to unite, no matter what it is, and that's why the appeal is actually for everyone, and i think

it's very important, as well as this tour, because there was a visit to the states, now it's very important to support the emotion in the european direction, according to various estimates, we have already received more than 120 billion dollars almost half of europe in terms of weapons, of course, the united states is the unequivocal leader number one and will remain so, but in general, europe is critical and important, and in this sense, this tour is also politically important, and i believe that the main assessments are actually a joint strategy. a strategy with the west, a joint strategy with the european union. it should be in terms of weapons, financial support, and the further isolation of russia, and all these directions should be combined into one, but in fact, this tour is about it

, about these key goals. let's talk about the visit. zelenskyi to great britain yesterday he spoke to the british parliament and said literally the following: we have freedom , please give us wings to protect it , a pilot's helmet with this inscription was presented by volodymyr zelenskyi to the speaker of the british parliament the president thanked the british people and the government, and in particular resi sunak and boris johnson for the strong support of ukraine and the ukrainian people, let's see how it all turned out . i believe that this symbol will help us in our next coalition of airplanes and i am addressing you and the world with simple but most important words for ukraine needs fighter jets for freedom, wings are needed. ukraine seems to be calling for freedom . wings are needed in ukraine, and fighter jets are needed

in ukraine. after all, they heard it in britain, judging by the way sunaki volodymyr zelensky flew. to the airbase where ukrainian pilots are trained and britain can become the first country to provide ukraine with its fighter planes as far as possible and to what extent britain can ask tons here in this situation because we know that literally 10 days ago when the president of the united states joseph biden of america was asked whether the americans are ready to provide the ukrainians with f-16s, he briefly answered no, if britain decides to transfer fighter jets to ukraine, how much it will affect the general international tone and further the transfer of fighter jets by other countries, for the first time, the answer to it did not mean no, never, no, on the very day when he was asked precisely

for the strategy and tactics of providing weapons, and this is obviously the opinion of many who are in the pentagon, where the department and in the council the national security of the states is working on this, it is not in any way. no, in the future, the second moment is the provision of aircraft. this is currently the number one priority, because there are talks about what kind of long-range weapons will be provided to us. this signal is also went from volodymyr zelenskyi's conversations in london, and there it is clear that these may be cruise missiles and new modifications, unfortunately, unfortunately, we

lost contact with pavel klimkin, and i hope that now we will refuse this connection, well, we know that yesterday volodymyr zelenskyi after during his visit to london, he said that ukraine had agreed with britain on the supply of long-range weapons, and i am told that pavlo klimkin is already on the phone again, give me the connection, mr. pavla is so unstable, please, long-range weapons are being discussed, and airplanes are very symbolic a step forward and i believe that the politician's decision to discuss airplanes means that actually everything is possible and yesterday the prime minister of great britain said nothing. in fact, we do not rule out that absolutely everything is possible. and this is a very encouraging signal and we remember the history

of when the japanese in x years ago, the americans attacked china, the americans began to train pilots there, but it was too late. we also remember when nazi germany attacked france, the americans began to train pilots, but it was also too late, and here we do not need to waste time. drift and lose emotion and start distant such complex strategic conversations, we have to start preparing for this well, in fact, the day before yesterday, but at least today, i mean technical logistical support and pilot training, and the third - making a decision to fly , well, literally in the foreseeable future and by the way, this not only increases our

military pato. this is a very powerful message for putin that the west will not stop for no reason, but what biden said the day before yesterday in an interview, to some, this phrase seems too much lay off and they absolutely understood that putin lost ukraine, in fact, this phrase is a statement, if you want, a fixation on vova and political status, it means that everything that has been happening since the 1990s, when part of the zone of soviet influence passed to where it actually belonged to the west, is now expanding on ukraine and the united states and the west . thus, we are seen as a fundamental and integral part of the west. and what does this mean that the history of ukraine should be a success story

, since many speculated that they invested invested in afghanistan, but a lot of things did not succeed, but nobody ever considered afghanistan a part of the event, that is, this message of biden is a message of another world, and this is exactly the message that volodymyr zelenskyy is achieving today in europe . politech, the pressure is real and inside the west is growing now, and i see how it will grow in countries that were very careful about the supply of tanks, and we all worked on this for a long time, but i also see in germany when

they say that maybe not today but we are nothing we do not rule it out. that is, in fact, biden’s answer, the tone of the west has changed and the west’s fears of putin are absolutely not the same as they were a few months ago, and the west will not give up its strategy of a thousand passes, and this strategy of having much deeper and much more painful provisions is already absolutely clear , as i already said zelensky yesterday he announced that ukraine had agreed with britain on the supply of long-range weapons, so far there are no details of these agreements, but we know that britain has a large arsenal-racket which capable of hitting targets at a distance of several hundred kilometers, this is a harpoon that flies 240 km, a scalpel that hits targets up to 400 km, and a spear that gives and reaches an organ 140 km, but all these uh, all these platforms and all these missiles are on air or sea platforms, well

and, of course, they have a system like that, if we are talking about such heavy weapons, long-range weapons , which ukraine will receive in the short term, how much will it affect the french and germans in this situation? -still rule both in the world and in europe, despite the fact that they are located outside the european union , which i understand. sergey, your friendly trolling towards the poets and they will probably be very pleased with this, but you did not count one more type of weapon that

is being discussed and it is not it is an absolute secret that this missile from tomshedov is very effective, it is a sufficiently sophisticated development that can achieve both tactical and strategic goals. with sadness, it ended with an understanding not only of what we will receive, since this is important in itself, but also when exactly it will be received , that is, i am absolutely sure that there is just such a quantum leap forward, and your second question is so definitely it will affect the french phenonymians as well and in general, it is taboo for europeans when they say yes to this , we are already doing it, but the next step is still a taboo for us. and here it is, in fact, it will also be under the influence of the british decision or to beat the steering wheel i think that it is still more correct

to say that the west is in charge, but the street is very correct. and if you define one leader in the west, it is definitely the americans, and i do not want to provoke my british friends there . they are very cool. a lot of leadership exactly at a critical moment when we needed it but in the end all critical decisions on weapons such as tanks such as airplanes such as long-range weapons they will not be caught without the americans and will not be taken they are an integral part any strategic decisions, and this is actually very, very correct. by the way, yesterday the guardia wrote about the fact that pike perch decisions are also trying to fall under

this stardust of volodymyr zelensky. well, you must have read this article, or at least the quote popular in the last days in our media or the west is very actively becoming under the wing of this stardust volodymyr zelensky as the leader of the country that is at war with the russian federation, everyone is now trying to be closer to him and in because he is black in the parliament. we saw how he was met in the same way as in the congress of the united states of america at the end of december when he spoke, that is, the whole event is trying to be close to the future winner or to the leader of the country that is supposed to defeat the russian federation. what do you think with what there is such a change, a change in the behavior of the west, because we have seen some kind of waiting. during the last uh, last year, there

, the first half of the year, maybe the first three months , how long did the great war between russia and ukraine last, then we already saw how the west began to slowly move from some kind of small help, well, small, such a linguistic small, to a more serious one, that is, what has changed, why did the west begin to change its rhetoric , this is after zelenskyi’s visit to the united states of america, let me remind you that this was zelenskyi’s first visit abroad during the war, at the end of december 2022 whether the americans are the rudder or not, the americans are definitely the rudder, and it’s cool, if it’s not the american administration that decided for themselves that they have and can be a leader from the first days of the war, then this is actually worked and united the event. i want to remind everyone that in the west there was its own

. unfortunately, there is a fundamental lack of leadership and that the collective event finally appeared thanks to us, thanks to our resistance and thanks to our war, and this is also a fact the americans played a significant, significant role in the formation of this collective event. now they are puzzling over this not only in the kremlin, in fact, in beijing, they are puzzling in many other capitals, but the collective event unites not only declarations of values, but also in this sense, defeating putin's regime is a fact of history, a fact of today's politics, and it is also perfectly clear to us that in addition to the lack of leadership in the west, there were also fundamental features of a lack of strategic

vision, many did not see what the putin regime was developing into, we also saw the northern currents and saw the desire to receive russian energy carriers at a discount also saw the desire that russian russia and russian campaigns are really buying part of the western establishment and saw the desire to turn a blind eye to it and about it we also have to say the same with these words of volodymyr zelenskyi today to the european parliament, it’s still an event, at least europe has not yet gone through the stage of understanding what was happening, why did we come to where we are with russian revanchism, working on mistakes is still critical for us

it is necessary, but what we help the west. if you want to fill this vacuum of leadership , fill the vacuum of speed, fill the vacuum , the desire to move forward, no matter what it costs, the actual vacuum of optimism is here, we are with you. this is where they started, it also actually works very, very well. therefore, this is actually such a transformative role of our war for the world and for the west, in particular, and what we are today , although informal for the time being, is already obviously part of the west, and a success story will be built around us. already a question if you want honors for the event and the question well, probably number one for the geopolitics of the world for the coming years

, so we also give a lot of events and this is not only protection, it is also the desire to look at ourselves in the mirror or in the mirrors around and to understand that the west of the 21st century cannot live and to feel like in the 20th century , it is time not just to change, it is time to understand that new challenges require new leadership and not new strategic vision, the same is happening in ukraine, in ukraine, ukrainians are leading and showing the world well, we have to agree that this leadership that zelenskyi is currently demonstrating in europe is obvious . it would not be so powerful and would not be perceived in the same way in the world and in europe if zelenskyi did not have a powerful ukrainian a people who are fighting for their freedom because what ukrainians are currently showing all

over the world and what ukrainians are now demonstrating together as a group in this society deserves the respect with which the leader of the ukrainian state is met by those in britain and france even today in the european parliament yesterday, already after his speech in the parliament, zelenskyi said that i will leave the parliament today after thanking you in advance for the powerful british planes. well, in advance, zelenskyy thanked you for the british planes. asked ben vulytsia, this is the minister of defense of great britain, to study the question of what planes ukraine needs, this is the prime minister's office at 10 downing street in london, after that zelensky flew to paris, where he had a meeting with the president of france , manuel macron, and the federal chancellor of germany, ulaf scholz macron said that ukraine can continue to count on france

and european partners in the fight against the russian aggressor, let's see how it turned out ukraine can count on france , european partners, allies to win this war, russia cannot and should not win it, and as long as russia carries out attacks and offensives, we will continue to adapt , change, reconstruct the military support that ukraine needs in order for it to defend itself and its future. military military military equipment according to the urgent needs of ukraine we will always act in coordination between partners and allies of mr. pavel macron for a very long time at the beginning of the great war in russia against ukraine tried to understand putin and these memes went around how

does he call him there and what does he talk to him about and there was a lot of irony on the part of the ukrainians, such a bitter irony that macron is trying to agree on something with putin and then just rudely insults him from football speaking now, what kind of macron do you see and what kind of france do we see now during the 11 months of the great war of russia against ukraine and france and macron is changing things not as we would like, i understand the position of macron and actually schulz who want leaving the possibility of maintaining contact with putin is what i still do not see. it is the desire to speak from a position of strength and exclusively from

a position of strength and the understanding that there cannot be any other position in the conversation with putin, that there will no longer be any conversation on putin's terms but biden actually said it very, very clearly a couple of days ago, and i think that it is for macaroni and for schultz to adhere to his own line of collective action, which is now taking its final form, that politics has changed, there is a new status quo, that ukraine is part of the west what is this question? there are no geopolitical profits that can be made economically or politically. this is also a question of value and it is a question of understanding for the west what he is good at

. and this means that, as you can see, macron stopped saying that let's save putin's face. he says yes. i will talk with putin further, but here are all the phrases that, er, annoyed not only us, er, half of the world, that let's save face, let's understand, let's do something like that, they are for macron's lexicon , after all, recently they have gone. i absolutely i am sure that in the future the macaroni will want to bring the situation to the point of holding negotiations with putin, but for us the key change that you say is that this conversation cannot proceed from the capitulation conditions that putin put forward from the very beginning and that the conditions must