[000:00:00;00] it means that as you can see, macron stopped saying that let's save face for putin. he says yes , i will continue to talk to putin, but here are all these phrases that annoyed not only us, er, half the world, that let's save face, let's understand, let's do something like that for ourselves . they still followed macron's lexicon recently. i am absolutely sure that macron will continue to want to move the situation to the point of holding negotiations with putin, but for us the key change that you say is that this conversation

cannot proceed from the terms of capitulation, which exactly put forward by putin at the beginning and that the conditions should be set by us, that is, a collective measure to which, as he has already said, today ukraine belongs , but in this there is clearly a change, which is not yet final, but, well, a change in macron's attitude to reality, and we see that i have also become more to believe in ukraine and ukrainians, he understands that despite the challenges , despite the challenges of winter, despite the attacks on our critical infrastructure , the ukrainians stand, they are just as ready to resist, nothing has changed in our feelings and in our feeling, and this also really changes the position of macron and that this, friends, we are working live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our social networks, in particular on facebook , and there is a broadcast on youtube, please if you are watching us live now, please

like it, become a sponsor of our youtube channel, now you see qr- codes, links to how to do it, the best way to do it , so please join our group of sponsors, we will be grateful for your support of our youtube channel . please don't forget to read the news on the espresso tv website we work for you 24 hours a day, seven days a week, today we have a guest politician , diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014-2019, pavlo klimkin, mr. pavla zelenskyi. the german publication refers to its sources well , we do not know what actually happened behind the scenes, but we can see how volodymyr zelenskyy at

the tripartite meeting in paris thanked his colleagues for their support and once again emphasized that that ukraine needs long-range weapons and modern aircraft for the sake of the return of europe to a secure peace, let's see how it was in france, germany has the potential of game crangers and that's how i see our negotiations today, everything is obvious, the sooner ukraine can get powerful long-range weapons, emmanuel, or the sooner pilots will be able to get modern planes olfi, will our tank coalition be stronger ? i am grateful to you for starting this path, and the sooner this aggression of russia will end and we will return to europe a confident peace, well, iola in scholz also assured ukraine of support and emphasized that

the help will last as long as it will be needed . and also in terms of military aid, the last direction was the strengthening of the missile defense port, but also the supply of tanks, and this is the aid , as president macron emphasizes, it will be simple to continue as long as it is necessary, therefore, the assurance is from macron, from scholz, from sonaki, from biden, is it not too late that these weapons can come to ukraine, mr. pavlo , how can russia beat us with its

resource potential, we know that they have a lot of weapons in their reserves there although it is old, there is also the number of people in the army, they increase it every time. is it not too late to run ? they will create problems if the weapons do not arrive in real time. of course, it can, and we understand this very well. armchairs and there is a solution to the patenka there is a solution for e-e armored vehicles and what is being discussed is a solution regarding long-range weapons, also according to my data there is progress that airplanes are no longer taboo as before, everything is fine, but we also perfectly understand that according to the solutions, this is

training, this is creation of technical capabilities is the creation of supply, maintenance, logistics and many other things , and in some moments we can use all possible weapons at the same time. this would also play grenade launchers. well, actually, tanks in many eh with airplanes are of course more difficult for us too you need to have one or two key models. also, we understand the capabilities of ours. we also understand that, for example, the f16 is american or, by the way, the swedish griffins would be the best for today . although other aircraft, we are 100%. even 101%, we will use it very, very effectively, but here is your program, it is actually called to love and what and this is macron although it was late, they also

brought out their website about putin, they finally understood his mentality and i think that in many ways they were wrong at the beginning, they understood the nature of it regime and perfectly understand that in the end what i said is that it is necessary to talk with the putin regime from a position of strength and in no other way. and this , in turn, means that there should be no issues regarding the supply of weapons, and in fact the formula should be very simple, all that is needed except nuclear weapons. well, there is nothing in principle to be excluded even from it. we understand very well that russia

has a lot of junk and stockpiles from soviet times. but we have fundamental advantages from which we can and should use it in first of all, these are combat emotions spirit, but also the help of our allies and western weapons and, in the end, understanding what we see for ourselves, they are fighting for some goal that they do not really understand and cannot even formulate it for themselves, even russian nationalists have now begun to say and what exactly are we for we are fighting in ukraine, what is our goal, who, not us, will formulate it, and in general, what is the image of the future for today's russian empire, call it whatever you want, or the russian regime, and therefore again answering your question to beat putin

we cannot and will create additional problems. if weapons do not arrive as quickly as possible, they certainly can , and therefore the speed is absolutely critical . putin's press secretary pisku says that the possible provision of fighter jets to kiev by london will only drag out the game and make it more painful for kyiv to achieve the russian federation it will not affect his goals, piskov said . over the past few days, or rather a week , this topic has been quite actively torpedoed. the two koreas were divided by the 38th parallel, and a former adviser in the office of the president of ukraine, oleksiy arsetovych, said that this is a possible option when we will be forced to accept this model of a peace agreement, when a part of ukraine will be, so to speak, divided by

the 38th parallel. i don't know what the parallel is now, well, at least on the territory of not those regions of ukraine that russia seems to have accepted its composition. oleksiy danilov says that it is impossible. the secretary of the national security and defense council says that there are any analogies with the korean version or with other options are not suitable at all, because the victory of ukraine over russia will happen only when er ukraine regains all er territories. medvedev came out again with his er conclusion that we will use its more powerful weapons there if the ukrainians attack crimea, well, that is this is again already on the 10th round , he will lose this record according to your uh, what is the most likely scenario of the development of events and

is the part of the west leaning towards some such conditional korean option, according to which russia will leave something like war to itself it is possible in different forms and or it is better to say that there will be a confrontation with russia until all russian regimes are in power, at least we do not know what the next russian regime will be, who will be in power there personally or who will keep this regime, but while this regime is in power, we definitely do not have there may be a peace agreement, there may be some pauses in the ceasefire and many other possible scenarios, but i do not see a peace agreement with putin because he

wants to either destroy us or have virtually no other options for his protectorates since 2003, when you remember, there was the idea of ​​that third-party consortium, we will withdraw , but in fact the desire to snatch away our gas transportation system and at the same time the so-called common economic space. and this is actually economic slavery. when it did not work out , tuzla went, then in 2004 the evolution of the orange and the subsequent history for all of us it is absolutely known and at least since 2003 that putin had not just his strategy, but his mission to destroy any independence and statehood of ukraine, that is why i

do not believe in any agreement with putin. i simply do not see it. politically, but actually also from a political or moral point of view regarding the korean model. by the way, your american and german colleagues have recently also asked about this. so the topic is really being discussed and it must be recognized. in fact, the korean model. since we very often use these words without remembering the history, the turkish model is the result of the war on the korean peninsula, when on the one hand, a coalition of western countries helped , by the way, do you remember, maybe you saw that the monument to the crimean war in washington where the representatives of each nation who

were on the guardians of values ​​and actually good, they just walk knee-deep in water with weapons and tools and it was a very difficult war because on the other side was the chinese army and the soviet army because the soviets and the air force and others also very actively helped the chinese, ukrainian or socialist, by the way, i was there on the line of democracy, and the whole point of the korean model is that on the one hand , the chinese were present as initially security guarantors until the crimean regime was actually developing, on the other side were the americans. as again, the leader of the western world who united the western world in the 1950s

. and in general, the korean model. with a temporary separation. absolutely of our formal accession to nato, but there is absolutely no free stability of the kyiv model, er, i absolutely do not believe that it will be possible to stabilize any, even theoretically possible summer, i understand this, he perfectly understands that ukraine is a success story as a stable a country that can not just defend itself er understand what our option er of our statehood is as a country as part of the west

, it simply cannot accept the second option, it is also completely clear, you see recently that the west is going very consistently in putting pressure on russia and it is not only arms deliveries, which you and i have been talking about for a long time, this is not an example from the fifth introduction of restrictions and prices in them , you can feel the expenses from the state budget exactly twice, and this indicates the burden on the russian economy, which creates our war so, in fact, the budget was reduced twice, and it was precisely because of oil, or it went out, or from oil products, or from income from imports, if you look at it, it also

means that the deficit of the state budget and that it continues. what is it? will we still have a jump in oil war, for example, in the gulf, and i think that in the kremlin they are already working on this , on some provocations that will allow the price of oil to increase, but the common interests of india and india in this direction. let's see how all this pressure will take the russian regime for granted. i believe that today the line of approach is a controlled reset american official factors, they claim that they do not have

the goal of rebooting russia, but in fact it is realistic to put russia in a situation when the regime has to give up one's goals and occupy the absolute geopolitical status quo of others - this is the purpose of the action of the collective measure, because today the russian regime is a danger for everyone, for us, for europe , for the states, for anyone, and it is necessary tame differently how we will live on this planet, i.e. our task is global and our war will have a transformative train for everything on geopolitics for the future security architecture but russia will definitely not play a leading violin in it, it will not play it , this is also understandable because it is too dangerous in general to let it play some role because the combination of the military factor and the combination of the economic factor

will definitely turn their heads for us of course i would like it to happen today was yesterday but it will happen to the in the future, i just see it and i, for example, do not even rule out the collapse of the russian economic system at some point if this continues in our country, the editor tells me there is a video where orban did not want to applaud zelenskyi, zelensky stood next to him right now, let's watch a small video well, that's it, that's it such a story happened, i, uh, you talked about responsibility, about russia, and what should be the architecture of the future

of the world, uh, there is one more piece of news that needs commenting, and that is that putin himself made the decision to transfer the anti-aircraft missile the book complex with which flight mh17 was shot down in donbas is a statement of the joint investigative commission, one of the sources claims that russian officials discussed on the phone and the decision to grant the book complex was left to the president of the russian federation, but the prosecutor digna vam e budziler says at the same time that putin as the head of state has legal immunity and cannot be prosecuted, this will be possible only after he leaves his post, that is the question of responsibility and this immunity, and in general, can he to appear before the international tribunal even before he leaves

his life and office well, let's here, uh, distinguish whether he , uh, as the president of the russian federation, can find himself in the gas well, most likely, no, can he find himself in such a situation for the rest of his life we all hope with all our hearts that it was so, and there were a lot of conversations that there were all abba leaders . do you remember, in particular, miloševy? is there any way to avoid all this? but nevertheless , justice. she can be late, but usually she gets it. - it worries, but it worries the russian elites even more. i know that among at least many of them there is such hysteria about what we will do

next. and who is responsible ? and how will they get us? in general, we will see this event someday, but we will either be somewhere around moscow, and it is still unknown with what degree of security it will exist , and this is all sitting deep enough in the heads and it is getting more and more, and i am absolutely sure that the release of this film about putin's conversation and just let it be absolutely not accidental. is this a normal part of the investigation , but it is also an element of additional pressure on putin, when they point fingers at him, they say putin, in fact, we know who you are, we know what you are guilty of, but we do not just declare it political, well,

you too we are already showing part of the evidence, and if you continue to do what you are doing, we will find evidence for everything else , and this is actually a story that will absolutely get you. from the side of the west and when you and i say that at first the west was covered by these fears in relation to putin's regime, but now he lives as he says , and here are tanks in ukraine, and here are long-range weapons , and here is the film, where is putin in fact, because of the evidence of his conversation, he is a criminal, but we are cutting off russia from the oil markets

. that is, it is already a completely understandable complex story that says that the west has crossed a certain internal line. this is not a red line in the sense of some kind of maneuver, but some kind of psychological line. when the west stopped caring about putin, even what will happen after putin, somewhere at the level of the subconscious, this is already such a deliberately careful line. but nevertheless, the west is already starting to try to develop a strategy of what to do with putin and what to do after putin , why am i asking about this because i i remember how osama bin laden ended and, in principle, always during this year of such a restless and terrible question arises why why can't the west put an end to it as it put

an end to bin laden itself? i think that this question is not only a political decision, it is the question of precedent is also a question of what justice should be, whether it should be carried out by a public court or , as in relation to bilang, it is also a question in general whether the event can afford it from the point of view of what can be done here, in fact there are not dozens but hundreds of questions and it is possible through whom but i think that language is the only thing about putin in the west , unfortunately for sergey, there are people who say well, this is putin's war, well, in the end, we will somehow push the power in russia to someone else

deprived of putin's power and we will somehow communicate and cooperate with this version again and when they say what and how alive how are the russians who support this war for the most part how is putinization more likely to hold and since without a hairstyle this regime will always have endless outbursts and relapses and this is a very dangerous story. and i tell everyone that putin is directly responsible, so his role is absolutely clear, but we must defeat not only putin personally, we must defeat this regime, and this is precisely our joint strategy as a measure actually, as a democratic society, it is precisely to defeat this one who is criminal and dangerous for everyone, it is not only a matter of

putin . thank you , mr. pavlo, for the conversation. good health, mr. pavla, friends, please. if you are watching us now on social networks, like this video, read our news on the espresso tv website . well, you can become a sponsor of our youtube channel, now we will show youtube details channel and actually how can you do it, that is, under this video there is a description of how to become a sponsor of the youtube channel and there are qr-codes you can see on your screens now, join our sponsors and your help will help us donate for tautology to develop our youtube channel, join the help we will be grateful to you for this, my friends . i put a full stop. this was a program, the verdict was also conducted by serhiy rudenko . i say goodbye to you until monday. i wish everyone

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