[000:01:00;00] of ukraine, now the speech of president zelensky at the european union itself, his talks with all the leaders of the eu countries are also so unprecedented, there are absolutely no specifics, and when ukraine will confirm its candidate status , when the negotiations will begin, i am not talking about the conversation when ukraine will become a member of the eu , because these optimistic terms even exclusively from ukrainian officials , no western politician confirms them, you know, i am here. i will probably refer to my colleagues from the human rights sector, all these conversations, all we can take these statements seriously. just a literal quote when we will have an adequate constitutional court. in other words, for now we are once again leaning against closed doors without working on judicial reform. that is, even if we look at the official interim assessment given to us by our european colleagues, they clearly indicate there, in terms of democracy and freedom of speech, ukraine has progressed, of course there are

certain restrictions, there are certain elements of wartime, of course there are specifications, but in general ukraine is moving in accordance with the legislation on cooperation within the framework of the legislation also has its own movements, and the same applies to the open market, of course, the land market, questions have stalled, of course, openness and the absence of corruption, the fight against corruption is still a big question, but then everyone mentions the judicial reform because all the leading reforms, their adequate work, their accountability, their uh, future let's say that independence is determined only by fair and free courts, and with this we still have questions , so answering the question when we will be able to talk about the success of our candidacy and, accordingly, when we will be able to talk about the start of accession negotiations only after initial successes in the judicial reform so far, unfortunately, this is just the part of our

reform process that we cannot give a very positive report on we are trying to get rid of corrupt courts there, but the systemic issue remains in the same place. unfortunately, what do you think, mr. maxim, and when will it be possible to talk about european integration as a concrete goal and not as a declaration? i agree with mr. oleksandr regarding the problem of ukraine's internal corruption of judicial reform, but i will add a bit of optimism, at least now the europeans are no longer questioning the fact that ukraine should be accepted into the eu, and it was the war that became the impetus that made ukraine such will be accepted in the eu, because it is a guarantee not only of economic benefits, but also of the security of the european continent , so i think that the issue of when, well, first of all, i

think it is necessary to resolve the issue of ending aggression, eh, carried out by carrying out the reform then we can point out that the europeans will begin the real process of joining ukraine to the european union. please tell me, mr. oleksandr, how much the behavior of the hungarian prime minister viktor orbán at this meeting of zelenska with the leaders of the countries of the european union shows that budapest is without great enthusiasm generally accepts the very idea of ​​european integration of ukraine , unlike all european leaders, we from orban well, first of all, we did not hear any change in the narrative, he continues to repeat simply like a nightingale sings about the fact that hungary supports peace is simply that hungary will support peace without any conditions, without determining who is to blame, without determining who should take the first steps of a student for peace, everything, everything that is not related to peace. all this

does not pass hungary by hungary - it does not go further despite the fact that even in the general photo at the press conference , european leaders literally clamped the orb in their arms, putting him, well, physically even in it is an uncomfortable position with all the leaders who have a negative attitude to what he is doing. well, it is just right now on your screen that it is being shown beautifully and on orbán's face you can see how difficult these moments were for him. despite this, we have not heard from him any change in his own rhetoric, i.e. the fact that his foreign ministry and the official position of his administration remained , as i said, his own statements did not change the logic at all. that is, these are very, very general phrases, literally, well, if you paraphrase it in the framework of what is needed or the european union does not took away all the funding from him for 23 to 24 years ago, unfortunately, orbán did not change his position , although he

was inclined to do so by very soft european diplomatic means , but he remained at his previous standard, did not take a single step to the side, and in fact, we still have that with hungary what is more, what do you think, mr. maksym? in principle, the european integration of ukraine itself will face the fact that such countries will be able to simply block the group by demanding such changes to the ukrainian legislation, which kyiv does not wants to go, and everything slows down, as was the case with, say, the european integration of north macedonia, which stood still for 10 years. yes, i do not reject this , of course, and hungary will do this because it is currently under pressure from the kremlin and financing of er brussels, therefore urban will do everything to ease this pressure on himself from the financial side of brussels and er not er look uncomfortable in front of the kremlin of course

he will do it in any way to try to stick sticks in his finger and in the wheel, oleksandr, if we talk in principle about what ukraine 's understanding of the west 's understanding of the very essence of the conflict looks like today. it is also interesting for washington, the demonstration event is clearly trying to do everything that there was not even a valuable direct escalation with russia, and ukraine is proving measures that no, this is already your escalation , it is not only ours, in fact, this situation is really reminds us that it was often popular to compare politics with poker. unfortunately, these parallels emerge again because russia has sharply raised the stake, we don't know what cards russia has in its hands, we don't know how much it is playing with an understanding of whether

it will withstand a retaliatory bid increase. but europe is faced with a choice whether it is ready to put as much as russia just to see what cards it has, respectively europe and nato in general and the united states they understand that for now they are in that state of relations with russia well, not in the state of this war, when they can simply drop their hand, they can not react, they can simply put the brakes on what is happening and so far he manages to do it, but in fact they give russia the understanding and the possibility that such a game will continue in the future increase, i.e., a sharp rise in stakes, a sharp escalation of the conflict in the direction of nato, it will be allowed, accordingly, it puts the entire eastern flank of nato under attack , despite the fact that it is excessively increasing the number of its contingents there, and therefore in the end

eventually the moment will come when, relatively speaking, the west will no longer have the opportunity not to raise the rate, and the west will have to check the hand of russia, and i only hope that at that moment the west will be mentally prepared for the fact that such a rate increase will not be the last, because we know that very risky and not very strategic-thinking players, among whom we can include russia, they will raise the stakes as long as they have mr. maxim's ability to operate . what do you think about france's position, so what to say about the war and relations with russia the actual strengthening of russian positions in africa has an effect, we see that this happens literally every week, every week a country is added in which units of the private military company wagner begin to operate.

arms of ukraine, french experts and journalists have already noticed it. first it was the caesars . then there were the rattlesnakes of these air defense systems and the third time when they received such a slap in the face in france, these were wheeled tanks, uh, or wheeled combat combat reconnaissance vehicles, and the french, you know, as far as i can see from the press , they are completely dissatisfied with this state of affairs, but somehow they react very sluggishly inside the country to how they are treated by russia in africa. they simply withdraw the troops from there, you know, absolutely do not want to fight in africa for influence on their former colonies, they simply give the initiative to the russians in the same burkina faso in the central african republic, and this

surprises me. by the way, i do not understand why the french do not they do not want to carry out the aggressive foreign policy that they carried out in the previous decades there under the previous presidents, when they implemented it for uh, they brought troops there, uh, military uh, operations were carried out , and this is surprising. do you understand what, alexander , because in fact russia organizes military coups in african countries , it brings the situation to continence , which did not exist before this station for two decades, you can say after the end of the cold war, when it seemed that african states were simply coming to a real uh, such uh democratization of society, change of power, all this happened and in those countries that mr. maksym spoke about, this also happened by and large , even military rulers transferred power to the civilian ranks. and now there are extremists , in fact, part of the territory is under the control of the central government, military coups one after

another, demonstrations with sub-russian flags in all this there was no demonstration in these countries that we are now talking about, never in history would there have been a demonstration with sub-russian or even soviet flags ani in burkina faso ani in sudan, i never actually have two options, why this is the case with the french in africa. the first option is that the full-scale aggression of the russian federation , the use of literally frontal operations , what losses the russian federation is incurring, and at the same time it continues its ruthless offensive. they showed the french that well, the russians will go to the end, the french are not ready to go to the end because they give weapons, i agree with my colleague here, they really do give it , but let's remember the situation with tanks lacler when they were promised and then the topic was covered very gently and calmly , let's remember that the french in the first months and weeks of the war were one of those who still offered in ukraine at least some options

for appeasement, so in fact the french are not ready to such an escalation, they are especially not ready to do this in the territory where they are, well, literally themselves, because we see that the usa left africa with the main forces a few years before the full-scale offensive of the russians, so the french simply understand that russia has nothing to lose tomorrow, that russia will grab any opportunity to submit a victory and show this victory, the french simply do not risk this is the first option. the second option seems to me that in recent years china's infiltration into africa, economic , political, and security and intelligence infiltration of recent times, after all , shows the french that it is no longer theirs the territory for geopolitical games that they can no longer influence as before and it is possible that the risk of a collision with china against the background of a collision with the russians is the deterrent factor that can stop the french really it is difficult to say which of these two options is more valid. but

at the same time, they do not contradict each other at all, and this and such. and such strategizing can be present in the decisions made by the french, mr. maxime. in principle, what do you think, can we really hope that this such an axis er berlin-paris can play a decisive role in european sentiments regarding aid . yes, it can er do it, but still, sentiment is one thing, and the supply of weapons is completely different, so er, leadership will remain anyway. i think for london and washington, er, specifically in the military er topic of arms supplies because, as er, a colleague said, both paris and berlin are still cautious about escalation, so to speak, as they describe this situation and do not take the lead when it comes to supplies

uh, absolutely, well, specifically, new types of weapons, either tanks or now fighter jets. thank you oleksandr kraevy. maksym sokolov was with us in this part of the conversation. oleksandr, expert of the council of foreign policy, ukrainian prizma, maksym, candidate of political science, journalism, now we were in touch with france, we talked about the foreign policy aspects of president volodymyr zelenskyi's european trip . now let's talk about the american aspects of politics. yulia rashkin, political activist, blogger, we are in touch. kudos to the heroes of ukraine , let's start with the president's speech in the congress .

valuable part today, let's release what was a big speech devoted mainly to the internal politics of the united states , here the question is again about the accent, it's the accentuation of the problems of the actors. politics, traditional domestic politics plays the biggest role in the annual speech of the president if practically with few exceptions in the past year when things were at the same time several days after the invasion of the big invasion of russia, and i remember the younger president who spoke a lot about iraq and afghanistan when it was necessary for his policy at that time, but as a rule, foreign issues are left to the background and here it is of course important that for the second time in a row the president's guest is one of the guests

who is the ambassador of ukraine to the usa and all stood up and there were two party support but this was a small part of his speech and i absolutely agree with you but this was the second time in general it's simple with such a window for us to see what now how would they measure the temperature in the chamber to see what is happening in the political sense because now until the next elections even for as long as possible practically that's why we just look at who we have, what we have and we see what eh the president has shown himself very well, he has shown himself at the party level very successfully. i think that now it will be impossible to find democrats who will want to be elected against him , despite the fact that he is not young and everything is like would you know and think that it seems that at such an age you may already need to retire, but in any case, if such a speech

is made, by the way, i think it is important to note. that he reads silver to people and seems to be used to vladimir putin that he stands with a paycheck like that and reads on paper a-a or when president zelensky was uh-uh in washington and also spoke unprinted , you do it with a teleprompter and that's it what did he do yesterday, not yesterday, but a couple of days ago ? he knows how to deal with it. the work there apparently stops the speed and slows down. when he just spoke to the audience , it was just cool. when only the coal-burners drove their own trap, which could not be said. he said that you know, there are some republicans . the minority, some who , instead of raising taxes on billionaires, want to cut social programs, what are they called, or what are they? after that, he has not yet performed in an artificial we have here he speaks i have a brochure that was not sent where they say every five years we will block before

voting again on all social programs but what is this and the reshablikans were simply ashamed that they turned out to be called because they know that they always want to vote for social programs, but their republican audience under trump has completely changed, now they can’t touch these social programs, so they vote for republicans these days, that's why they said no, it's not true. we are for a social program. he says it's fine, then we won't discuss if it's necessary to cut them and in order to pay the state debt, they say you're not . it's very important programs for people, so that 's it. it was simple. it seems to me quite an incredible improvisation. and where did the president show that he even controls the situation very much?

afraid to speak. and tell me what the president said the next day in an interview, so he said at the meeting after his speech that he said that vladimir putin expected completely different results from ukraine than what you got. as a result, he has already lost a strategic control situation. that's how you think, he understands himself. i think that you will actually defeat us in a rather important task before he realizes that he has lost. regarding ukraine in his speech, what i think is important to note, he explained it as if it were for the americans, that it was a test for us if we can show ourselves that we have questions for ourselves, can we stand up for democracy, for freedom, and so on and so on an hour ago, we received an answer that yes, we supported ukraine, and we will support good things in this world, and here is the ambassador of the country with us, and we will continue

for as long as necessary, and then we will move to china, and we are here again today that what was transferred what else some object was shot down is necessary alaska, so it will be necessary to monitor what the chinese are doing and what vladimir putin is thinking. i think he is as we would see . instead of this, now he is threatening his waves, the orcs are just some kind of hobbit, and if it weren't for everything, it wouldn't be so scary. it's terrible, and it's just that sometimes we need to look at some kind of fantastic fairy tales to find such madness when people are simply fed in этом мисорбуку это всё очень оно горожает but это вышать в нас you know, impressive when on some conservative but the website says that let's not now drive 500,000 а-а орков это well, it has a certain effect, but again

, the generals say that we don't believe in that он состояние это драйте веленные expert and don't consider that we're sostaionized to dial these numbers how do you think this is what happened to china and canceling the visit of the us secretary of state, this whole story with the balloon and the right that now how is this developing the story of the object at a height in alaska we don't even know what it is yes , but nevertheless the very fact that the united states constantly began to shoot down the airspace over its territory is not these incomprehensible aerial objects, that is, we thought that it was aliens it was just china this is of course too. in general, he is talking about serious security threats, or was it marjandra taylor green, who looked like a white ball during the president's speech, and she was dressed in such an all white, such a fluffy white.

interesting moment, you know. we have something , somehow, everything goes in waves, they began to find secret documents in the print of everyone, then suddenly they began to shoot down flying objects on the territory, they are still recognizable and unclear, you know, this is something new, but on the other hand, there is power a precedent, when something has already happened for the first time, it starts now to look for it, and in some sense, it is also how they began to find more secret documents that were visible everywhere, where people still had papers. all kinds of objects fly by us and follow them, they ask, they collect information, e-er, electronic, and so on, and the like, so that eh, yes, somehow, and i think that in the end, how do things work , how could the next question be, this is a military conflict. it seems to me i just don't know. i would say no, because even though the guest secretary postponed his visit, he only postponed it, he didn't cancel it

, that is, he wanted to communicate. when a rocket arrived from poland, from ukraine, to poland , and the third world war almost started. at some point, well, this moment did not continue because there was no political will, in the end, it will be developed somewhere , so this investigation calmly came to a conclusion and let's go further, so let's see how many more balloons we have volume . now they are talking about a resolution registered in congress in the resolutions of congressmen who are connected with the merger of the former president trump, and this resolution is called the reservation of the obustalost from ukraine. here's how мы програмете документ действители такая резолцион обусталость for the party which is for the people who believe that they

can advance the political future in this way, and this is a small part of the republican party, how should you conveniently call them by name, in this situation, but there are marginals in all situations and in this situation , they are actively promoted by the donor trump , who, without question , is close to putin's world salary, his ego, his language, within us, to tell the back of the neck, therefore a-a well, they will declare such things that even if they are tired, you understand this, and a reminder from one side . committees, she can now speak out, ask questions, participate in work, it's a nightmare, but it's possible, and it's a democracy

, that 's what happens in a democracy. excuse me because the reminder that there will be next elections a-a, our terms are limited and we cannot forget that this is what is breathing in the back of our head a-a and in general, the window of opportunity understands things on a limited basis , look at what happened in turkey, they were going to the united states to receive f16 uh, for support, let's say that sweden joins nato, but now they have completely different needs, therefore, in general, we need to move forward and not wait for the next elections, and it is not clear what is the reason for success. and tell me, in principle, this do you understand why donald trump is in the current situation when he could act as a harsh accuser of the kremlin and it is reminiscent of how he gave weapons to ukraine and so on .

that now a book is being published posthumously by this japanese prime minister who was killed by shinjo-abi , and he says that he met straup and was in awe of how trump was ready to negotiate with north korea. did something wrong and the prime minister wrote that we should not let the world hear about it, and that's why we see, so to speak , the negotiator's reputation, how he behaves with dictators, on the other hand, the problem is that there are disinformers in the media space, for example, trump is sold as a person that he is not, and the republican party as people that they do not recognize, and after this, a false cookie is created, as if he doesn’t even need anything , he can be the same topic, he is, and the public will still tell how much he beautiful i how is this all good for them? what kind of safe option is that? that’s why trump will still be hoping that even if he

wins the primaries, he still won’t be able to win the election, and this is again a plus for joe biden. on the other hand, the question arises as to how much all these discussions do not lead to a change of mood in the ranks of the republican party itself, isn't that the case again? here we are in ukraine. we often talk about two-party support. and how can two-party support be achieved in such conditions? it exists, it needs to be kept because when a person who, like trump, controls er 30%, let’s say 30 to 50% of the republican party, and we have already discussed his agenda, what is left then, or other horizontal republicans, somehow keep it, that’s why the questions of the population show that there, roughly half of the republicans support uh, continuing aid to ukraine. well, these are the people , how hard it would be to point out that their party

is wrong sometimes, ah, but from another country, and decided that the party’s medicine can be proven again and again, how much are they not interested, not in democracy, not in improving the lives of the population, it’s not just that they have a policy of opposition, opposition works well for them in the elections, and trump just hopes that there will be many candidates, and he will lead his own to the election rally point and eh and everything will be good for him until it gets to the general election again, and for this there are elections, you know, to let off steam and because he can be dissatisfied there is now but there will be elections and we will live to see the elections we will announce it until the situation changes daily. tell me, what you saw today is probably an exchange. in essence, views on the russian missile attack and on the missile that flew into the territory of romania, possibly moldova, are russian when president

zelensky said that this was an attack on euro-atlantic solidarity itself. the whole house was told that the rockets did not pose a threat to romania; moldova was becoming a direct military threat; somehow , the statement of the ukrainian president would lower this degree. in a weakened version, i don't know what kind of country in general i would like to be on the battlefield with russia, which fight against terroristic trenches in the russian organization, and that's why especially small countries that, in general, it's the same as i already said, this political decision will enter into a military conflict because the oxidants or er irresponsible behavior from the country of russia is that she always does it er it will happen and here simply at some point a political decision will be made and say yes we will give a refund but i think it is necessary