[000:00:00;00] at the price, they are the same people as they are athletes of the americans' favorite game, who without thinking for a second went to defend their home from the russian aggressor. this is important, it helps to understand the average american. who are these ukrainians, and during the final of the super ball, the organizers announced a moment of silence in memory of the fallen ukrainian soldiers . i would like to have the opportunity to honor the memory of the boys who died not only in american football , seven people have already been killed in american football. in general, more than 200 sportsmen have already died. in general, all those who put their lives in these are heroes, and of course, it is my great wish and dream that we have 30 seconds and a minute of silence in memory of all the heroes who

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of russian missiles through the airspace of moldova and romania, in romania they declare that the russian missile did not violate nato space who is telling lies, for what purpose in moldova, meanwhile, the government headed by prime minister nataliya havrylitsa resigned and declared that moldova is entering a new phase the basis of which is security, how to understand it and whether it is connected with the kremlin's appetites for moldova well, the next luhansk region, the ukrainian authorities confirm that attacks on the region have intensified, the head of the luhansk region noted that russian troops planned to leave luhansk region towards the city of liman in donetsk region, let's talk about it live svoboda life this morning an air alert was announced throughout ukraine, later explosions were heard in kyiv , kharkiv, kryvyi rih, khmelnytskyi, as well as in lviv , odesa, dnipropetrovsk, zaporizhzhia, and poltava regions, there were hits on objects energy infrastructure - this

was confirmed by ukrenergo, according to the data of the air force, russia fired 71 missiles over ukraine today and 61 of them shot down the air defense forces, as reported by the commander-in-chief valery zaluzhny of the armed forces of ukraine air and missile attacks were carried out from strategic aircraft tu 95 from the waters of the caspian sea and volgo-don and from the waters of the black sea s-300 missiles were struck from the areas of the belgorod region and from the occupied territory of the zaporizhia region valery zaluzhny also stated that two russian cruise missiles of the caliber launched from the black sea area crossed the border of ukraine and moldova and then entered the airspace of romania and then again into the airspace of ukraine at the ministry of defense moldova confirmed the information about the passage of two russian missiles through its territory, and romania, which is a member of nato , as a matter of fact, the ministry of defense of romania said that the russian

missile flew 35 km from the border of ukraine , the air surveillance system of the air force of romania detected an air target launched by a ship on friday, february 10 of the russian federation, which floated in the black sea near the crimean peninsula, the target is most likely a cruise missile that flew over the airspace of ukraine and the republic of moldova and re-entered the airspace of ukraine without once violating the airspace of romania, the closest point of the trajectory of the air target and the airspace of romania was recorded by radar systems almost 35 km to the northeast of the border with the missile. well, is romania ready for such an incident to happen again and have some

consequences to our broadcast, a historian from romania joins kosmin, papa, my greetings to you hello, i can hear you, i can't hear you, we have some problems with communication but i think it's a second second and we'll now involve a historian from romania. and we'll talk about how they reacted to this, how they reacted to the information from valery zaluzhnyi that a russian missile could violate the airspace of romania, how did they react to this news in romania itself, and who are currently ruling there in general public sentiment are they afraid of a russian escalation attack, which the west constantly emphasizes ? and is romania, which borders ukraine, ready at all for a possible war with nato, which

is constantly being talked about by the ukrainian side sides ukrainian side to the floor volodymyr zelenskyi today called the possible crossing of romanian airspace by a russian missile a challenge for nato and the entire collective security, let's listen to what he said is another proof that the defense of ukraine from all over europe and the world of every country that just wants to live today's missiles this is nato's challenge to collective security - this is terror that can and must be stopped, let's continue to talk about what is happening, what is being written and what is being said in romania and against the background of this news today, valeriy zaluz, a historian from bucharest, kasmin popa, is joining our broadcast, hey, kosmin

, you can hear me, one, two, three. they say that this is not true, the rocket did not enter the airspace. tell me that this is why the local press is writing about it and in what tone people are commenting on it, people may be commenting on politicians evening, well, first of all, you know the channel, calm about the fact that there is no dispute here, and in two statements, there is a statement from the ministry of defense of ukraine and a statement from the ministry of defense of romania. it was air space if it was so in fact no one explains . until now, what uh, i want to say right away that this did not turn into a political sport. of course

, there are discussions on social uh in social networks about how ukrainians declare that in rings, of course, that uh, the rocket flew in romanian in space, but there is no political sport yet, but i, too , tell you that uh, we have it, uh, how to tell the political behavior of the russian president. we still have to wait, we don't need to draw any conclusions . so far

. russia will continue to attack ukraine, and a missile may fly into the space of romania . debris may fall on the territory of your country. how it was in poland how it was in moldova . the country is a member of nato. and if nato will defend and answer, you know this is a very , very good question . missiles. we all know that ukraine uses its missiles only to repel russian aggression. of course, everyone knows. you know that every nato country is protected by its base, and of course it is the union, but the protected base is national defense

. we all know that it is very well. we understand that we are on the border with a country that happens to be with russia, uh , the question is not put that way, there are , for example, a large number of ukrainian refugees , i know all this very well, uh, you know that we are at the official level, we are not at the official level, we are at the official level, romania is at the official level , nothing , it is not a charge. and they don't talk about it openly. well, the league is preparing their best

scenario , eh , we are interested in moldova, you know , not in any way. romanian citizens, we know what we are we know romania officially as a citizen, we know that russia is taking decisive steps in order to change the political situation sharply, the cliche situation is moldon, and we all understand what russia will believe or how russia perceives. that it cannot defeat ukraine, it will certainly try to expand and expand this conflict by affecting

the interests of some nato country . -e m-m will join in er, in the glorious battle with russia, but er, we, no less than other countries, are aware of the danger that europe is in, and i assure you, we are aware of the er, excellent, wonderful role of ukraine in europe, well, did i understand you correctly, er yesterday, by

the way , vladimir zelenskyi spoke in more detail about it. ukraine or now in parallel, that is, it is unknown, but did i remember correctly that if the kremlin tries to do something about moldova, then romania can intervene somehow , i can, only i would, i would, of course, it ’s not mine, i don’t have it, i don’t have it role, but i would look at it. well, according to the official statement made in bucharest, i can quote the president's statement that we provide all external assistance to moldova in case of aggression . i certainly don't need to sideline to underline all the time, including military aid, but all the parties

mean, uh, all the help, we all need help, so russian missiles may have crossed the airspace over romania, and when the ministry of defense of romania said that this is not true. in romania, there are two opposite statements, and one of them is telling the truth . the parameters of the radar are that the missile flew over the territory of romania or 35 km from the territory of romania, of course, from the political point of view of the pigs, it is of great importance, but it is not necessary to turn this episode into

a political conflict, so to speak. the ministry of defense but they perfectly understand the position of ukraine in this matter. thank you very much for your comments . kosmin, a romanian historian, was on radio svoboda. we talked about the mood in romania and after today's statement from the ukrainian side. about the fact that a russian missile could cross the space of this country well, as we already quoted volodymyr zelensky at the beginning of today, he said that today's incident with missiles that could have crossed the airspace of moldova and romania , according to him, is a direct challenge to nato and collective security from this , is nato in particular ready to stop russia preemptively , even if we assume that the russian missile really did not violate the airspace of romania ? well, it flew at a distance of 35 km, as he claims the romanian side agrees 35 km this is absolutely nothing for the missile

, who can guarantee that nato will apply its fifth article if russia accidentally or not accidentally violates the airspace of one of the nato countries , no matter what country it is, romania, poland or the baltic countries, but now we are talking about that's it, let's talk taras zoftenko, an expert on international security, a military expert joins our broadcast taras my greetings greetings, let's start by leaving moldova behind because it is not a nato country, we will talk about it separately but romania is a nato country and that's another matter and the whistleblower says that a russian missile crossed romania's airspace and romania says it didn't and one of them says he's not telling the truth, here's our previous expert. somehow it connects more like these political statements no less, what do you say, who is telling the lie, or is it possible that both are telling the truth here, but actually, you see, there really is such a delicate political moment here. the fact is that it is destroying as a nato member country, and moreover, such a small

nato member country, which is maximally dependent on ensuring its own security from the collective security system of the alliance must be very careful with its political statements, especially at the official level, because we must understand that of course we expect from romania that the romanian military and political leadership we should, well, immediately recognize the fact that a russian cruise missile crossed the border of this state and flew over its territory, respectively. in this way, it created a threat to the security of this country, but we must understand that romania in in this case, as a member country of the north atlantic alliance at the official level, voicing this er version so er systematically with its statement, it puts the alliance as a whole in a situation where nato must react, that is, if this is the official position

of the political or military leadership nato member countries. accordingly, even just this statement, yes, it already obliges us to the fact that there are formal grounds for launching certain mechanisms within nato , whether it is consultations on the fourth article of the shotov treaty or something. well, if there the consequences are of course serious and unequivocally negative for the safety of the allyars as a whole , then we can talk about the discussion and about the fifth article of the volume in principle well, if these political statements are at this level of recognition or non-recognition of some of incidents if we are talking about nato member countries we must remember that these statements they should always be these alliance member countries weighed with the leadership of nato as a whole that is, we are talking about nato as a single security mechanism and accordingly if we are -is well, we have in mind some political comments, especially those that concern

the security system of nato as a whole, even individual countries . they still have to consider this point in their speeches and statements in their comments, so in principle no it's strange that romania is very careful now, it's playing in this situation and it's not in a hurry, well, how can i say very clearly that categorically no, and if no missiles had arrived there, well, or categorically, so, well, how about tya the church has arrived, that is , they eventually reduce everything to what is needed examine the data from own radars well, and accordingly, starting from this, have an official own position, but once again, this is the official own position of romania. it must necessarily be weighed with the position of nato in general on this situation and on similar incidents in particular, well, listen. it turns out that when ukraine made its statement this morning that this position was either not agreed with nato or will continue or

whatever it was and i want to note here that there was no reaction from nato today either because in principle well we we will know the official position then when there will be a reaction from nato when, well, if the headquarters in brussels would comment on it, well, if it was an incident, it is clear that it will most likely be put in a row with all the others , because the fact is that everyone can do miracles in the countries that directly border ukraine, in nato member countries and in the political military headquarters of the quartile in general. these are the actions of russia, it is not so much a provocation . it is clear that well, in a year, we saw a lot of such... the formal bureaucratic aloof position of the alliance in relation to russian aggression against ukraine, because if the position is too clear here, while there is no

immediate threat to the nato member countries and the collective security territory of nato , respectively, the alliance will not do any actions that could drag him into this war, so to speak, and on the other hand, the alliance is trying to avoid with all its might , starting with its practical actions and ending even with political statements, so what we are talking about is trying to avoid the situation when the statement or the session as a whole or the member countries could be interpreted in such a way that, well, this is already an application for the fact that if one of the member countries of the alliance could be involved in this war, then actually well, what are the provocations of russia now? well, in this situation with romania , we also remember the previous incidents . categorically advocated for

treating this incident as a direct threat and accordingly, to demand some specific actions from the alliance, it is clear that at the same time there will be a significant part , in principle we can imagine what kind of country this is, a large part of the nato member countries who will speak out against and who will say that the alliance should not be involved in this war and through here are such incidents, as they say, not everything is so clear-cut, it was not a direct attack on nato territory, therefore, in principle, we must first of all take care of the security of our own territory, and this situation of an internal conflict in nato, a split in nato, is exactly that what is russia trying to achieve with such provocations ? in principle, yes, yes. i want to clarify 35 km, if we really take into account the reactions of romania, who say that the missile flew at a distance of 35 km. is this already a danger or not yet?

well, you know, looking here, how to interpret it. well, we understand that uh, this incident can be presented , so to speak, in the public space, either from a purely military point of view, yes, or from a political point of view, if we are talking about purely from a military point of view, it is obvious that the course of the missile was such that it the principle of romania was not threatened, that is, the missile simply flew over its airspace, and the threat was indirect, that is, in two possible situations, this threat would become real or a technical malfunction of the missile, and then it well, as a result, it falls on the territory of romania or well, this is the work of the ukrainian air defense forces, which shoot down this missile on the territory of romania. well, as it were, the result is basically the same, and therefore purely from a military point of view, and here it is some kind of deliberate action, it is not deliberately directed , especially from the position of the alliance, because, well, the alliance too looks specifically at how

he interprets military threats to himself a-a from the point of view of guilt, it is difficult to see any threat here, but politically of course it can be interpreted as uh-uh well if provocation as an intention to involve the alliance in this war uh-uh as uh- is the intention to provoke and discredit the nato collective security system and so on, that is, from a political point of view , you can really gather arguments that say what these actions of russia really are, they have such a hybrid provocative nature, that is, it is not direct a military threat to nato, because the russians are also uh, you understand very well that if they provoke the alliance in the end, they will play too hard , then the response of nato uh, of course, will be as destructive as possible for the russian federation , so they what if on this hybrid uh, on uh, on the hybrid border balance and do not turn their actions into a direct military threat, but from a political point of view - this is an unconditional situation that challenges the nato security system, tell taras such a thing, and does the ukrainian side have sufficient technical

capabilities to clearly see where it came from well every time when missile attacks take place, we are told where exactly the missile was launched from, so does ukraine have the ability to see where it was flying from and where it was flying to, what its trajectory was in order to claim that it really flew over romania in principle. and if well , if we talk about the fact that we this missile our air defense batteries and our radar sensors located in the southern direction could detect its arrival on the territory of romania, because it is obvious that if the course of these missiles was exactly from there, we we can talk about the part of the trajectory that our air defense systems see, and about the part of the trajectory that our early warning system sees , in general, it is clear that we, to a large extent , are in this information with which we operate there, when we know where it comes from with which employees is the empty rocket launch carried

out or from the territory of the russian federation ? do we get part of this information from our allies? it is satellite intelligence information, so it is obvious that our western allies are primarily the united states of america, in principle, they should choose information, especially since they monitor the sector as much as possible. well, recently, about a month ago , it seems, nato announced that right here in the south-eastern flank of nato, they will be transferred here in principle, they have already been transferred, and the planes of the alliance from the long-range radar detection of air objects are nato missiles, and they were transferred there for the purpose of precisely patrolling the airspace of this sector, and they are capable of detecting air targets. minimum on 400 km, that is, in principle, nato has its own opportunities

to receive much more information about e-e air targets than ukraine actually has so far. that is, we can supplement this general picture with our information on airspace monitoring that nato has. well, accordingly, too we must understand that based on the results of the analysis of this information, the official comments that will be made will be primarily political and not purely of a military strategic nature, that is, what we see, we see two uh, radically different statements from ukraine and nato, we don’t know how it actually was, uh, and we see that more precisely from nato , there are no comments at all , there are no comments from romania to recognize them, and you see how as far as i understood all these stories, some part of the political subtext is obvious ukraine will be kicked out if it hints that nato needs to somehow be more active and aggressive in defending its space if a russian missile approaches their border. even a little differently, we

are trying to show the alliance that its response mechanism to such incidents and such provocations is actually imperfect because, well, nato as an international organization was created under different conditions and it was created to counter slightly different military and political threats than the hybrid ones that exist now and even though -he continues to actively transform its security system for more than a year, but it is obvious that the alliance is far from ready for all possible incidents and far from all possible surprises, and therefore, even if our statements are a little out of line the positions of individual nato member countries or from the position of the alliance as a whole. this does not mean that we should not make these statements on the contrary. we should, in principle, emphasize that there is such a problem in the current euro-atlantic security system and ukraine, well, if it