[000:00:00;00] uh, certain steps are being taken, consultations are being conducted, ukraine cannot make a decision on its own right now, we want one plane or another, and so on, all this is ongoing , consultations are being conducted with our partners, with our allies, let's say somewhere in nato, we know all of them by name, whose names could be suitable for us the best contender in our conditions, we have already talked about it more than once that it is the f16, after all, because it is banal , there are more of them in the world, quite a lot of them, about more than four thousand cars were produced of this type, it is easier to use of operation it has all types of weapons that can be used to fight both in the sky and on the ground, that is, to hit all types of air targets , ballistic and ground targets , a wide range of weapons of the snast model that can be used by this aircraft , some other nato aircraft, that is, well, this is the solution, and we at least e- in fact, this is our desire. it is clear that in the future

of rearmament, the new ones will replace the entire fleet of soviet aircraft . this is not done for one year, but in order to win, to gain an advantage, we need at least the first aviation units so that they can perform combat tasks precisely at the level of the front and call it, and already from the perspective of ukraine, a model of such an armed force of the air force. it is close to p' ty brigades of e-e tactical aviation with a single multi-purpose aircraft capable of closing the sky itself and carry out the task, we are working now, mr. taras. what do you think, in principle, why the event? this is how all the time with each new type of weaponry begins procrastinate and hold numerous consultations that at first end in nothing and then as a result are still brought to the point of necessity to the need to make

a decision that could have been made tomorrow that could have been made yesterday, this can happen every time we see it all this year, i would not criticize now of our allies for the pace of transfer of western weapons to ukraine, because we understand very well that without those types of weapons that were transferred to the armed forces of ukraine and will be transferred in the near future, it would be extremely difficult for us today to oppose the russian aggression to the new russian offensive, which has already de facto begun in donbas, 300,000 non-groups, this is almost twice as much as russia accumulated at the beginning of the so-called full-scale invasion exactly one year ago, on february 24, 2022, i think that these rates in the first are caused by their internal reasons, by those that are well, if not resistance, then society . there are certain apprehensions connected with that, and i think that over time we will learn about the reasons for these apprehensions. i would absolutely trust

the position of the allies in the alliance today because they possess a sufficient volume, including the intelligence information that they receive without prior notice from their agency on the territory of the reef, also removed with the help of technical means of intelligence and obviously, they have reasons to withhold volumes and transfers of weapons to the ukrainian army, otherwise, i think that we would already be today it would have everything and uh, ballistic missiles and combat aircraft and funderbolts and in 16 and similar means there are some reasons for this, which we will learn about later, mr. yuri, do you also think that oil is already practically start, if he starts, then what is the danger, first of all, from this attack on the back. they always attack here , it's just about this attack, there's already

a lot of talk about this attack. well, we see progress on the front line is insignificant, yes, we already had to, and solidar to leave some other points too, but if it can be called what started next, this is the creeping attack on the big one, they are attacking uh-uh , small groups, somewhere in ours they are succeeding , somewhere they are losing uh-uh, let’s talk about some a full-scale mood, i.e. such as what immediately such as the ukrainian military actually did in the same kharkiv region or kherson region well, it is unlikely to be necessary now, but there are definitely always risks for our defenders and we all need to prepare to prepare for them that 's all, taras, in principle, how are you you have no idea of ​​strategic political goals, muscovites , i would like moscow to have a truce on your line, on which the russian

offensive troops are now, with the aim of capturing new ukrainian regions, destabilizing the situation to nevertheless create opportunities for the regime's puppet on the scale of the whole of ukraine, you reveal to yourself i would say putin's intentions , he voiced them repeatedly in his public statements, the intentions are very simple, to destroy ukraine as such, to destroy the ukrainian nation, to turn ukrainians into a part of the so-called three-unit fraternal people like this likes to call putin who declared himself consists of the russian or his interpretation of the russian ukrainian and belarusian people, so their goal has not changed in fact, that is, they can be tactical steps for this. understand that

the announced plans for this offensive, which allegedly consist in quotation marks, of course, in the liberation of the so-called territory of the so-called lpr and dpr , are only part of this plan. well, we understand very well that if these plans of putin were implemented, they would definitely not stop from this war and did not stop the offensive, they would go further, therefore putin's goal is the capture of the entire territory of ukraine, and here it is not necessary to distinguish that they will stop somewhere along some conventional line, or curzon, i don't know there, or putin medvedev they are interested in everything ukraine, including galicia, including transcarpathia, all of our resources, most importantly, our people, why because putin wanted to continue to want to use ukrainians as a resource for the destruction of the democratic world well, it is already clear that putin's horde that is called russian russia army it is professional in its composition , including that it is absolutely not capable of carrying out those poor plans that putin put before them. putin has already understood that the armed forces

of ukraine and for this he does not even need to read from there his intelligence agencies that the ukrainian armed forces and a ukrainian as a soldier far exceeds a similar soldier of the russian armed forces , this has always been the case and if there was no eye and ukraine at the time after the so-called pereyaslav council, we perfectly understand that the russian empire without a ukrainian soldier would never could have won, or it would have cost and would have been simply more difficult than any war. well , let's see even the so-called glorious pages of russian history in quotation marks. the crimean war of 1853-1856 was completely won in account of the ukrainian component, more than 60 military personnel located on the territory of the crimean peninsula were ethnic ukrainians, including the famous russian soldier petro the cat, in fact petro the cat , what was his real surname, so putin

is interested, i repeat, the territory and resources and people are also interested in yuryu please tell me in principle to what extent can it be assumed that russia's massive missile attacks on ukraine will now be carried out in such an interval as we have seen this week because we see that russia is forced to delay with these attacks, prepare uh, here are all the batches of missiles that will achieve anything , and it can't be like it was before, you know, day after day, every day, every week, and this is that , once every few weeks, there are strikes on the infrastructure. i understand russian correctly logic eh well, we definitely see that before, they used to beat like this at least once a week. we even defined mondays so that they have half a hundred grams of rest there on sundays, and already from monday they start

beating with new forces. remember practically every day according to the clock, it is october november, they used it, it is obvious that they have a shortage. today we saw that it is based on those missiles that were already directly shot down on the territory there in the central part of ukraine , where were the dates for the production of these missiles there, this is both summer and autumn, that is, it works, unfortunately, unfortunately it works because, well, russia knows how to circumvent sanctions. it is also a crime against the state. in principle , it is not a problem for her to buy somewhere in third countries or through smuggling. but still, it still reduces these supplies. the things they need. well, besides that, the sanctions also affect economically. it is clear that europe is actually refusing russian gas, unfortunately, also for all countries , gas, oil, luxury goods, and so on. france olya, that's why it's control, control now, so that the third country also

understands that the subsaction state, if it cooperates with them, then those countries will sooner or later fall under some restrictions , that's exactly why it also affects the military-industrial complex which too dependent on large e infusions, what should we expect, well, it is clear that uh , um, kamikaze missiles, if they will still be delivered , and we are talking about the construction of a plant, well, this is already a more distant prospect on the territory of russia, too 22 we know those deadly missiles are extremely inaccurate, but extremely powerful up to a ton of explosives. well, another missile is, well, the killer of avinosova is called yes, there are quite a lot of them, and the ukrainians can be rocket launchers, they gave them a long range of 600 km for gas, however, to threaten the demands and from the south to the north, the threat remains and

the use of these missiles although the s300 is not accurate for it, and the s300 at the frontline cities are likely to suffer in fact always because such occupiers have such a large stockpile of these missiles and can launch them on a ballistic trajectory even up to 150 km and terrorize both civilians and damage the infrastructure i read the accuracy of these missiles , the farther they shoot, the smaller it is, so it is necessary to destroy them, as i already said, on the ground and with all available means, well, as for high-precision missiles, we see that every time, every time these intervals are increasing well, we can see that the summer is closer, that the objects of our critical infrastructure and that it will be possible to restore the load on our energy system will be less. shift we are connected and now we will talk about

the international aspect of ukrainian politics. this week we will talk with oleksandr kayev , an expert researcher of north america and the british isles in the council of foreign affairs politician oleksiy ukrainian prism and the sokolonka vaccine and the date of political science as a journalist in france, congratulations, mr. oleksandr, yes. congratulations, good evening to you, no . congratulations, mr. maksym . congratulations , ms. vitalya. in addition to these speeches, in addition to the parliaments of the great britain of the european union, as far as it can be said that this speech contributed to some real decisions of european leaders when after the european union, as we know from the polish prime minister moravetskyi even failed to approve a program for the supply of ammunition to ukraine from european countries, so what is more

enthusiasm and warm words or real actions oleksandr yes. in fact, i think we will not see the real results of those until february 14, because it is obvious that this entire visit was so-so in preparation for our next rammstein and in an ideal scenario of course this rammstein should be aviation, unfortunately we do not yet have any data on the reality of negotiations with specific european leaders especially we are talking about scholz. we are talking about the leaders of the southern european states . we still do not have any confirmation that these negotiations have yielded any results. that everyone is still ready to stand with ukraine until the end. for ukraine, there will be any weapon in any quantity, but unfortunately, for now, there are no guarantees that

the countries that are problematic for us will really change their opinion somehow, so without answering your questions, i think only the following rammstein can give an answer to it . meleni generally said that it was an inappropriate meeting, why was it inappropriate and what were the results ? yes, you are right about george mahoney's statement. probably she was offended by the fact that italy was not invited, because we remember that they were there in april. four. and now there are only two left, as in the three musketeers, er, then the drags were invited, and it was er, the tandem of the drags and er, macron forces us, so to speak, to push him in the sholtz to come to er,

kyiv, and here when er, it is necessary er- to show the results of that visit and only scholz and macron are coming and, as they say, they are removing the cream from these symbolic visits, of course baloni was dissatisfied, but i agree that these visits and statements are symbolic and they should put we hope for a new stage in relations between ukraine and the european union and the state of the tandem of germany and france regarding especially the supply of arms supplies and despite the fact that now both scholz and macron said that it is not the time, but we remember that the same story was about tanks and everyone said that no, not on time can never be, but we saw that in fact all this can happen behind the scenes, and , as president zelensky said, he does not want

to give open information to the russians, who can use it, and therefore, it is possible that there may have been some agreements behind the scenes i do not include and tell me, mr. oleksandr, about european integration, the ukraine european union summit is taking place in kyiv, which is unprecedented with the participation of european commissioners who will come to kyiv for a joint meeting with the government of ukraine, and now president zelensky’s speech at the european union summit, his talks with all the leaders of the eu countries, too absolutely unprecedented things with no specifics at all . when will ukraine confirm its candidate status at all, when will the negotiations begin? i am not talking about the conversation then when ukraine will become a member of the eu because these optimistic terms even exclusively from ukrainian officials no western politician confirms them you know i am here i will probably refer to my colleagues from the human rights sector all these conversations all these

statements we can take seriously we will have an adequate constitutional court. that is, for now we are once again leaning against closed doors without working with judicial reform. that is, even if we look at the official intermediate assessment given to us by our european colleagues, they clearly indicate that on democracy on freedom of speech, ukraine has made progress, of course there are certain restrictions, there are certain elements of wartime, of course there are its own specifications, but in general, ukraine is moving according to the correlation of legislation on cooperation within the framework of the consolidation of legislation, there are also its own movements, and the same applies to the open market, of course the land market has stalled, the question of course is openness and the absence of corruption, the fight against corruption is still a big question, but then everyone mentions judicial reform because everyone previous reforms, their adequate work, their accountability, their future, let's say that only independence is determined by fair and

free courts, and we still have questions about them, therefore, answering the question, when we can talk about the success of our candidacy and , accordingly, when we can talk about the beginning of accession negotiations only after initial successes in the judicial reform , so far, unfortunately, this is the part of our reform process that we cannot report very positively. so we opened a parasitic council justice. yes, we have to get rid of corrupt judges there, but systematically the issue remains in the same place . unfortunately, what do you think was the maximum when it will be possible to talk about european integration as a concrete goal and not as a declaration? i agree with mr. oleksandr regarding the problem, primarily of ukrainian internal regarding the corruption of the judicial reform, but i will add a little optimism , at least now the europeans no longer

question the fact that ukraine should be accepted into the eu, and it was the war that became the impetus that ukraine will be accepted into the eu because it the guarantee is not only of economic benefits but also of the security of the european continent, so i think that the question of when, well, first of all, i think it is necessary to resolve the issue of stopping aggression, er, we will carry out a reform, then we can indicate that er, the europeans will begin a real process accession of ukraine to the european union please tell me, mr. oleksandr, how correct is the behavior of the hungarian prime minister, viktor orbana, at this meeting of zelenska with the leaders of the countries

of the european union, they testify that budapest without he is very enthusiastic about the very idea of ​​european integration of ukraine, in contrast to all european leaders, the nightingale sings that hungary supports peace, but simply support peace without any conditions, without determining who is to blame, indeterminacy of who should take the first steps of the student for peace, everything, everything that does not apply and here we include military aid to ukraine, here we include any support for ukraine, all this does not bypass hungary - it does not fit further despite the fact that even in the general picture at orban's press conference, european leaders literally hugged him and put him physically even in an uncomfortable position, not with all the leaders who have a negative attitude to what i'm pulling. these moments were difficult for him. despite this, we did not hear from him any change in his own rhetoric, that is, apart from the fact that his ministry of foreign affairs and the official position of his administration

remained, as i said, his own statements did not change the logic at all. that is, this very, very general phrases, literally, well, to paraphrase in the framework of what is needed so that the european union does not take away all the funding from him for 23 to 24 years ago, unfortunately , orbán did not change his position, although he was inclined to do so by very soft european diplomatic means, but he remained in his previous narrative, he did not take a single step to the side, and in fact we still have hungary, which is close to that. or, what do you think, mr. maksym, in principle , will the european integration of ukraine itself collide with the fact that such countries you can simply block kohorchyna by demanding such changes to the ukrainian legislation , which kyiv will not want to go to, and that's all. and it slows down, as it was , say, with the european integration of north macedonia, which stood still for 10 years . so i do not reject this, of course,

hungary will also be this not to do it because it is currently under pressure from the kremlin and the financing of brussels, so urban will do everything to ease this pressure on himself from the financial side of brussels and not to look inconvenient in front of the kremlin. of course he will do it in any way, trying to put a stick in a finger in the wheel. oleksandr, if we talk in principle about what ukraine's understanding of the west's very essence of the conflict looks like today , by the way. in kyiv they talked about the flyover just like on the romanian territory and what they said in bucharest and what they then said to washington, this is also an interesting moment, the demonstration event is clearly trying

to do everything that even valuable escalations of the direct it was not with russia, but ukraine is proving measures that no, this is already your escalation , it is not only ours, in fact, this situation really reminds us that it was often popular to compare politics with poker. in russia's hands, we do not know how much she is playing with the understanding of whether she will be able to withstand a rate increase in response. but europe is faced with a choice of whether she is ready to bet as much as russia just to see what cards she has, respectively. europe and nato in general and the united states, they understand that for now they are in that state of relations with russia, they are in that state of this war when they can just throw their hand away , they can not react, they can just put the brakes on what is happening and so far he manages to do it however, in fact, they give russia the understanding and the possibility that in the future

such a game of escalation, that is, a sharp trans-persian raising of stakes, a sharp escalation of this conflict towards nato, will be allowed to it, accordingly, this puts it under attack the entire eastern flank of nato, despite the fact that nato is increasing the number of its contingents there, and therefore in the end there will come a moment when, relatively speaking, the west will no longer have the opportunity not to increase and the west will have to check the hand of russia, and i only hope that at that moment the west will mentally ready for the fact that such a rate increase will not be the last, because we know that very gambling and not very strategically thinking players , among whom we can include russia, they will raise rates as long as they have what do you think? what do you think about the position of france? what can we say about the war and relations with russia ? actually, the strengthening of russian positions

in africa affects us. we see that this happens literally every week. of the private military company vargna was so influential, absolutely influential, because macron every time france is given a kick in africa by the russians, macron transfers some new weapons to ukraine, french experts have already noticed this journalists eh first it was caesars then there were eh rattles eh these air defense systems and the third time when they got such a slap in france it was wheeled tanks eh or combat combat reconnaissance vehicles on wheels and the french you know how much i see eh from the press, they are completely dissatisfied with this state of affairs, but somehow they react sluggishly inside the country to how they are treated by

russia in africa. they simply withdraw troops from there and, you know, absolutely do not want to fight in africa for influence on their former the colonies simply give the initiative to the russians in the same burkina faso, in the center of the african republic, and this surprises me . by the way, i do not understand why the french do not want to pursue the aggressive foreign policy that they pursued there in previous decades under the previous presidents, when they implemented the er, military er operations were conducted and this is surprising. do you understand what, alexander, because in fact russia organizes military coups in african countries, it brings the situation to a continence before this station, which did not exist two decades, you can say, after the end of the cold war, when it seemed that african states were simply coming

to a real uh, uh, uh, democratization of society, changes in power, all this happened and in those countries that mr. maksym spoke about, this also happened on a large scale, even the military rulers passed power by the civilian government and now there are extremists , in fact, part of the territory is under the control of the central government, military coups one after another, demonstrations with sub-russian flags , none of this happened in these countries that we are talking about now we remember that there would never have been a demonstration with sub-russian or even soviet flags in history any in burkina faso any in sudan i actually have two options why this is the case this is the situation with the french in africa the first option is that the full-scale aggression of the russian federation literally frontal operations , what losses the russian federation bears and at the same time it continues its merciless offensive. they showed the french that the russians

will go to the end, the french are not ready to go to at the end of the way they give weapons, i agree with my colleague here, they really do give them, but let's remember the situation with the leclerc tanks when they were promised and then the topic, yes , very gently and calmly withered away, let's remember that the french in the first months in the first during the weeks of the war, they were one of those who still offered at least some appeasement options in ukraine, so in fact the french are not ready for such an escalation, especially they are not ready to do this in the territory where they are, well , literally alone, because we see that the usa has left africa with the main forces still for a few years before the full-scale offensive of the russians, the french, simply realizing that russia has nothing to lose, will russia seize any opportunity to present a victory and show this victory, the french simply do not risk this first option. the second option seems to me that in recent years , china's infiltration into africa is economic political in recent times and security and intelligence infiltration, it still

shows the french that this is no longer their territory for geopolitical games, that they can no longer do the same as before and it is possible that the risk a clash with china against the background of a clash with the russians is one and the same restraining factor that can stop the french, it’s really difficult for me to say which of these two options is more valid, but at the same time they do not contradict each other at all and that’s why and such and such strategizing can be present at the decisions made by the french, maxime, in principle, what do you think, is it really possible to hope that this berlin-paris axis can play a decisive role in european sentiments regarding aid to ukraine? yes, it can it is er to do it, but all the same, the mood is one thing, and the supply

of weapons is completely different , therefore, the leadership will remain anyway. colleague, and paris and berlin are still cautious about excavation, so to speak, as they describe this situation and do not take the lead when it comes to the supply of absolutely, well, specifically, new types of weapons , either tanks or now fighters. thank you oleksandr kraevy and maksym sokolov were with us in this part of the conversation oleksandr, expert of the council of foreign policy, ukrainian prizma maksym , candidate of political science, journalism , i was in contact with france, we talked about the foreign policy aspects