[000:00:00;00] special forces and bloody wars. that's all i have to say about this and it's quite an important moment when we all have to realize it, so the recipe is very simple , first - restore the territorial integrity of ukraine, third, protect the ukrainian sky from further russian missile strikes, and third , achieve ukraine's entry into the north atlantic treaty organization union because the nato countries will interfere with this with all their might , realizing that this is the way to a nuclear war , likely from the russian federation, and to the disappearance of civilization on vast areas europe and north america, when millions of people become victims of this nightmare, you obviously don't want it and they don't want it, but we need to convince them that, on the contrary, ukraine in nato is the way to a nuclear-free world and not

to a nuclear war, so thank you very much, friends and until the next meetings on this air, good luck and victory . i congratulate you, dear viewers, on the air of the espresso tv channel, the studio program, the event , we will analyze the most important events or what concerns both international security and our ukrainian security, and we will attract the usual informed experts, our guests are the ambassador plenipotentiary of the republic of poland in ukraine, mr. bartok chekhovsky and the political scientist who is in washington andriy

piankovskyi . there is information about the possible visit of president joseph biden to poland already this month . a couple of days ago, we heard his extremely important and fundamental speech in the united states congress, where he outlined the american paradigm, america will not back down in the face of any threat and , accordingly , i would like to ask you, mr. motors, about the prospects of president biden's visit to poland. symbolically

, the anniversary of the russian criminal aggression is approaching, the presence of the president of the united states next to ukraine would provide an additional chance to talk about the details of support for ukraine, support and armaments support for infrastructural, civil, humanitarian and also about the sanctions on russia, they did not even hear the peace formula from president volodymyr zelenskyi in november. i think such a visit would also be a good reason to hear from the united states how they feel about this as well process of the 10th package of sanctions, mr. ambassadors, we understand that there are ongoing debates and discussions about the urgency of this next package, well, on the other hand, in my opinion , if we already have the 10th package of sanctions, it means that something is possible in the previous packages was incomplete and all the more so we see that the main

fall or destruction of the russian economy did not happen, so no one, i don't think that anyone expected that we would collapse the russian economy with the first or second or sixth package of sanctions, but above all we demonstrated our unity that one of the ee honey of russia a year ago was to isolate ukraine , to prevent consultations with the western community around ukraine, it did not work, and the male is a demonstration. we are also putting psychological pressure on russian society , it is important that we are constantly moving forward. but again , it is like once again. we are leaving some space for

the russian elites for russian society to think. direction and also this process is sanctioned and not one-time. it should provoke some kind of dynamic in russia . let's see. we don't see it yet. it's not vladimir putin 's war. have a different view on some of the people on whom we have imposed sanctions in the past and are trying to somehow liberalize the approach to them. there are different approaches to, for example, the export of goods from belarus. well, let’s convince you, it’s

not working like that. what about the sanctions on poland and the baltic countries? central europe and the west are opposite there, there are differences based on other criteria, but i am sure that we will agree quickly and accept this 10th package , let 's agree that this 10th package is now an important important topic. seized assets of russian oligarchs to help those countries that feel the consequences of our decisions on the oil market, as well as to help rebuild ukraine.

from a legal point of view, it is necessary to take this next step and provide this money, this property, for the reconstruction of ukraine . we hope that we will make progress in this direction. yes, i agree. this is an extremely important legal point and legal a precedent on the other hand, if we have already touched on the topic of large discussions, large and complex discussions. we remember how difficult the discussion was regarding the allocation of heavy equipment in ukraine, in particular the same leopard tanks, and if i am not mistaken , the president was the first to bring this good news to ukraine poland, england duda during his visit and meeting within the framework of the so-called lublin triangle, the meeting took place a few weeks ago, the president of poland, the president of ukraine , the president of lithuania spoke leopards about the fact that

this aid should be provided to ukraine. shortly before the summit , the prime minister stated that the political system in poland is a little different than in ukraine, and the government of the president is different . i agree. well, it contributed to speeding up the decisions of other states . now we are also working in brussels, on the outskirts of brussels, another rammstein will take place. of defense network of yours was in and on friday there was a video conference from the premises of your ministry of defense with minister oleksiy reznikov, of course, many

countries have already provided information there, how many tanks will be transferred to poland , the training of tankers from ukraine on leopards has already started this week, the process is complicated i don't know if it 's a political component, it's uh, it's of the first, not the second importance, it's all a matter of providing ammunition with ammunition, logistics of the repair rear, it's a very good machine, but they are vulnerable to some there are accidents and well, it doesn’t make sense to me to simply provide the tanks themselves, in the training process it is important not only to understand how a tank works, but how all tank units cooperate with each other , this is the most difficult thing. that is, well, we need a little more time, but i think the first group of leopards

will be to get to ukraine by the summer, by the summer, is it even possible that we are talking about spring , because there were also such assumptions about march-april, the question of timing is also an extremely important thing. yes, i think you understand it. yes, we understand it all. was in kyiv, the ministers of the office of the prime minister of moravetskyi, mr. michal dvorchakiv, once again talked about this with our ukrainian friends, we understand all this very well, and the polish government is doing everything, and prime minister meteo shmarovets personally, and that his vice-prem. it's your way to speed it up. but again, it's important to do it together. it's not only poland that depends on the composition of this coalition

. someone uses the leopard and the first ones. intelligently, comprehensively, but quickly. later on , we will understand the lublin triangle. this is not a story about symbolic diplomacy. on the one hand, it concerns poland - it concerns lithuania in general, the so-called eastern flank of nato, but there are states that really provoke the anger of the russian federation, i would not like to ask now if there is any strategy strategy cooperation between those states that have entered into a direct conflict, even if it is not a military conflict with the kremlin because

of their support, you know, uh, you would have heard a long time ago from some experts or even politicians that there would not be this crisis if poland, sweden did not put pressure on the eastern partnership, if lithuania latvia, estonia did not advocate the expansion of nato and so on , even the pope once said something like that . i am sure that, from the point of view of russia , every western democracy is an enemy. there is no need to create such a comfortable situation for yourself from the point of view of let's say our portugal is hungary and there is poland yes, but this must be understood, it must be understood that the threat from the policy implemented by russia is for everyone and will not be there what i do not know is hungary and it will be better than poland, this is naive to think and we are preparing ourselves to sign

billions of dollars contracts for the purchase of weapons from the usa from south korea, recently it was emphasized about the contract for several dozen himrs systems and abrams tanks, a huge amount of heavy equipment is already arriving to us from korea, but we also insist that the union was preparing and as a system so that we are ready to help each other is more vulnerable geographically allies like elite latvia estonia is a huge extension finland's border with russia which russia is not yet a member of nato the process of extending nato to sweden finland is a very important little secret for us i will say that in lviv, when the president of poland, ukraine and lithuania

talked, a lot of time was devoted to the nato summit in vilnius in july of this year , so how, under these conditions, can we once again deliver a powerful message to the society of ukraine in the first place but also to russia that in this way or through aggression by means of mass destruction it is not possible to influence internal decisions and i sometimes talk with diplomats here who represent states that are more distant and they see that they are focusing on problems with the supply of grain that arise in it the crisis of all landlord industries i am trying to explain to them yes, it is important, only the country pays the price of blood for its freedom

, what can be done with simply stop defending ukraine, the grain, one way or another, it will not be necessary to force russia to abandon such a path which she chose for herself a year ago, or in the 14th year, or even in 2008 , how do we remember georgia, if we are talking about our european partners , the eu-ukraine summit was recently held in kyiv, yes. that is, we heard representatives of probably all the structural divisions of the european commission. we heard ursula von der lein layer for michel and so on extremely positive positive atmosphere but if we talk about what was said behind the public positive frame, we understand that well in

ukraine we are waiting for certain specific decisions regarding european integration, obtaining additional statuses from the second party in the european union are also waiting for certain specific decisions from the side of ukraine. so, if we talk about internal ukrainian european cooperation, we are talking about its real dimension, not declarative in your opinion, what is the promotion after that ukraine is the eu and what things we should decide as soon as possible, you gentlemen said everything , a compromise must be found between the pace of ukraine's approach to the european union and the quality of the reforms. it was very well said that the ukrainian delegation that already this year, by the end of the 23rd year, the european commission will analyze the possibility of... hmm, at the beginning of the inauguration at

the association about the action on the other hand ... of the region in the fight against corruption, it was mentioned about national minorities, that is, there is good communication between me and the head of the european delegation , masika, we are all working, and above all, the ambassadors of the states and the ukrainian side understand very well exactly what we are talking about, for example, with regard to the professional court, we are talking about these of international experts in such a council that evaluates candidates for the constitutional court regarding anti -corruption, it is about the fight against corruption, ambassadors, and the fight against i apologize, it is about

making it work in the end, it is about appointing the head of the nabu, and so on, that is, there is the specifics are communication and everyone understands very well what needs to be done and who needs to do it. i am sure that this very man, he was historic, he will be, as i am not mistaken 24, but i do not think that we , who are the greatest experts on the eu, can say something about the 20th, 18th or 15th. and they will talk about the 24th. a lot of time was devoted to the war in macro-financial assistance , or in the field of energy? i will be able to provide you with weapons, is this a huge

amount of money, or was it when it was not, that is, it will take an unprecedented step towards you and ukraine is taking an unprecedented step towards the european union, but the process is not over and you need to understand that now when the eu heads the swedes, it could be. well, for some time. the best moment to make a leap forward. the russian federation, in the person of one or another of its representatives, began to issue so-called possibly false signals , perhaps this is some kind of diplomatic smokescreen regarding one or another possible negotiation formats, and so on. sometimes they give out similar signals, i rate them as lies because we understand the key story , the fundamental story for the conversation to be possible, this is the withdrawal of the russian

occupation troops from our territory. further down the list is the plan of president zelenskyi, the russians came to ukraine for the donetsk and luhansk or kherson regions and to think that how are we going to propose now let's go where peredova is, let's make some kind of new line of contact, what will the russians do, it is clear that it is not the ukrainians will go, but the russians too - they won't go because they didn't come and they didn't suffer such unprecedented losses to stay. somewhere there, eh , under the bahmut eh. that is, someone has ambitions , someone may not understand our region a little bit but we need to pay attention to how the initiative with the peace formula will continue to develop. poland supported this formula in all its

points, but some choose something from these points, leave something else behind, and there will already be such a center of work regarding this initiative. in new york at the level of john this will be a very important process, especially if this russian offensive begins . fertilizers and what not there will be a completely new earthquake factor in turkey, turkey, which was very important all this year and now, well, it is not clear , the earthquake touched an area that can

be compared to 1/3 of poland, three 13 million people lived there, the most likely disaster. from the expressions, all feelings and that is, there are things that we cannot buy, which will have an impact, but there are also positions of some states a year ago, uh, in march , there was the first revolution, the general assembly there spoke for, as i am headed, 141 countries let's see what happened this year. it seems to me that the position of both china and india is a little different for the better and how far the russians can go in their crimes in their crimes of aggression from their crimes of an attack of an unprovoked attack on certain countries , in particular, we are talking about a possible escalation in particular, with the same poland and lithuania

, the so-called belarusian bridgehead can be used for this, because we see how regularly the kremlin tries to sway lukashenka to something and we understand what he is trying to sway him to, so the risks are great in some form, such provocations or operations have been going on for a long time, do you remember the case of the violinist eh earlier litfinenko and the murder and hmm of russian opposition figures in germany ? the investigation was not completed until the end. but we all remember very well what happened then. well, smolensk, yes . although, unfortunately, the fact that we cannot finish this investigation due to the refusal of cooperation on the part of russia

shows that it is opaque at least that is, we remember almost at the last moment the revolution in montenegro was made possible when they joined nato, that is , we are already used to these things, and this hybrid war is a war in the already detailed world of virtual russia , russian aggression in russia even without an attempt to change the post-soviet conditions of cooperation by military means, it will go so far. how far will we agree to this? if you do not delay them, then they will go further , maybe not right away, maybe in five, 10

years, because, unfortunately, we all agree now well, in fact, they did not respond to the address of nagruziv in 2008, and that is why it happened in 2014 and the annexation of crimea, some states continued to build powerful projects like us, again we made conclusions and that is why 2022 happened , now is the last chance to make the right conclusions and they are doing it you are provided with unprecedented assistance, you are not a member of nato and not a member of the eu. well, in many areas , in practice, if a soft nato state did not receive such assistance as ukraine is currently receiving, but this is not enough and it's for it's coming again, it's this again, it's necessary to say it honestly a year ago ago i wouldn't have believed that we would delay nord stream six months or three

months ago i wouldn't have believed that we would be able to agree on the provision of lapards after some time it is possible that the planes were handed over uh, here the situation will develop it seems to me that everyone has already understood that some second minsk agreement. it makes sense that it will only give russia time to prepare for reorganization and the next offensive . ukraine should be given the opportunity to return to its internationally recognized borders. impossible through sanctions, for example, the impossible structure of such a material state in russia. thank you very much, mr. ambassador, for this frank conversation on the air of the espresso tv channel, and i want to remind our tv viewers that mr. bartok czyhotski, the ordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of the republic of poland, is currently working for them

. it is very strange that he is now on the air of the espresso tv channel andriy piontkovskyi, a famous political scientist who is in washington, will work. glory to ukraine andriy andriyovich to the heroes of glory . good evening there. well, what a historic speech of president joseph biden i say this without undue compliments because we understand that in his address to the congress of the united states, president biden outlined the new bipolar world and ukraine is already a nominal part of the security policy of the united states. in my opinion, this is an extremely important speech that most likely starts a new cold war of surnames i want to say that the merits in such a new rethinking of the world situation of the president come first of all, the life of the armed forces of ukraine, the name will ring

the public cookie fifth or sixth already in youth plot or how when the speed is completely 100 years about where it is possible to admit mistakes, i will publicly say that for 30 years i fought for the expansion of nato for the neutral status of ukraine for the finalization. i see that this was a mistake . i hear that impunity is my advice to putin, and he will lead you to the most important, most major geopolitical event of 2020. armies armies in europe, this is the understanding that allowed biden's call for the unity of the western world to go into the knife. of the american president, the king, the leader of the free world, we know clearly that i am not the bamans, trump is not in any degree. it was not that olive was embarrassed, they even refused such a characteristic, if they named both of them

, he alone advocated the isolation of america. the collective baidus managed this fund now, we saw the new year and as zelensky said , er, i am addressing the council after returning in december from the meeting with the baidus of moscow, what is the correct word , we woke up the west, we forced him to return to their origins, but they taught him to stop being afraid of the russians and the russian miner, and here is the eighth of february. i think this is an important day in the history of the world. but we measure this construction, of course, by the determination and readiness of our allies, friends or partners , in particular, the united states of great britain, and so on down the list provide us with heavy armored vehicles, modern western armored vehicles and

long-range rockets, the corresponding signals were sent even from london. so, we see that the first line has already appeared on the territory of ukraine, already that there were talks in the usa, and especially not residents of ukraine were observing that somewhere in six months, in 9 months , there is a flow of weapons , well, we will finally get the final point in the historical ninth emshtaene, which will be on tuesday next february 14. it has already been called salty. as always, our british friends, they are going to the corps ahead, the smell is coming during the arrival of zelensky in london , 340 readiness was heard from the ukrainian country, from the english country