[000:00:00;00] where will it help legally for those soldiers who are now forced to prove that they, for example, lost limbs in the war or that they lost their health in the war to such an extent that they need to form a group and not only these issues will help them to advocate, in addition, we will also talk about that what is the evidence of what happened in buchi? they called on journalist evgeny spirin to give us evidence. he is waiting for us. i hope that everything will be fine with us, and that the power outage of the internet and other cataclysms will not prevent us from doing so. well, we we continue our marathon, please stay with us very soon we will continue it for people

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confident we'll be back soon and we're back we continue to inform you about what's happening in ukraine er we continue to talk about important topics that concern us in connection with the full-scale invasion and now a little let's talk about the ukrainian crimea and what is happening there, we are waiting for arafat chubarov of the mejlis of the crimean tatar people and a people's deputy when he will appear on our airwaves. there is an interesting story, you know what, uh, the minister for these issues. territory, and i 'm just a little too behind all those ministers, you won't be able to see them, especially since their independence, as a rule, ends as soon as some high-ranking official from the president's office appears. it turns out that he

it means the size and they are some kind of ministers, so she expressed such an interesting opinion that in the future of crimea , such a system should be established where it will be managed by veterans, that is, if there is not some kind of local , so to speak, elected administration, but there will still be such a stricter management this direction, accordingly, will be in order to stabilize the situation. well, in principle, something should be done with those muscovites from muscovites who have already climbed there, and for almost 10 years, almost a million have invaded . imagine what they were building that bridge for now we understand, i don't know, maybe don't blow up that bridge right away, let them get out after the last one, like, close the door with you, or let them swim anyway. i think let them swim. no, they ask , they swim . cruiser moscow, everything is fine. he will drive all the way to the barents sea there, and if they come out, he will take them to hell. chubarova's essay, the match of the forest of the kryzko-tatar people

, the people's deputy is already with us. mrs. vereshchuk's statements are such plans, to what extent are they, well, to what extent can they be implemented? look, i was at that meeting, which was held by vice prime minister iryna vereshchuk. and i want to say that at that meeting, we discussed several issues the first is the question of the collaborators, the question of the colonists , that is, those about whom you just spoke, almost a million people who illegally joined the wing, the question of informatics, the state of the information policy of the state regarding the occupied crimea, and the question

of personnel. well, what happened to your colleagues the issue of personnel is more interesting, and they covered it as they covered it, there is nothing against it, but i want to say that if we are already talking about the issue of personnel for the occupied crimea, we talked about the fact that we should define a category in society, there will be, uh, within which we need to look for high professionals, well, at least i i can say what i said about what i said that there are a lot of people in crimea, hundreds of thousands of people who remain loyal to the ukrainian state, and they have not broken during the nine years of occupation, and you must see those people there. which can be very appropriate in certain areas of management, we have such a category of people as political prisoners and these people who have not only preserved their dignity, but who

demonstrate behind bars on a daily basis without having 13-17 19 years of age we really have our own devotion to the ukrainian state and indomitability . now we are returning from the occupied crimea to the mainland of ukraine. which perform the functions of protecting the ukrainian state and it is clear that this is one of reliable and highly respected categories of the population, we have young people whom we urged all the years of occupation to come here to the mainland and study at other universities in kyiv, lviv, they graduated from these universities or are currently graduating, that is, we

have many categories of people among whom i am sure that we will be looking for personnel to manage the crimea. the main thing is that they should be ukrainian patriots, and the most important thing for me is that they should be young people. well, at least relatively young people who are not characterized by many stereotypes or such habits that they use the older population, well, during the occupation, for example, of the western regions of ukraine after the year 1945, 1900, the soviet regime, the russian regime, they brought their own. that is, all managers from state enterprises and other enterprises did not exist in the year 45, starting with the heads of district administrations and beyond were not supposed to be local. well, the teachers also started at school, this even applied to teachers and professors at universities and so on and so on and so on

. well, it is clear what this policy was for . in your opinion, ukraine should implement something similar to this in crimea for a while, just to understand that it is controlling the humanitarian situation, since it is a peninsula, it will be necessary to carry out some kind of rehabilitation, then look, i know very well, you well, the practice you talked about, i am a historian, i lived for some time in latvia, and what happened in western ukraine , the same thing happened in the baltic countries, in particular in latvia, but still, i would not draw such a parallel here, at least because of what then on the territory, let's say yes, but in one case, if we are talking about the baltic countries

on the territory of independent states that were freed from the fascist er-er occupiers , another er-er ideology came, communist and another state, it was necessary to reformat everything there in its own way and also precisely on western ukraine, as well as where he lived, where he lived, and people who were the soul of ukrainian independence. they only fell under the soviet regime for a few years in 1900, from the year 39, of these people, it was necessary to simply break, reformat the whole thing and then and most importantly, moscow then tried in this way to stop the resistance to the ukrainian armed resistance of the upa and other patriotic formations and that is why there was such a practice then, now we are restoring

the sovereignty of ukraine over the ukrainian territory that is temporarily occupied i understood that some part of people, especially in those areas where it is necessary to move people , well, let's say military special services, some part are specialists. liberation, but it will not be thousands or well, what the bolsheviks did, we are simply restoring sovereignty on our own territory and will i think rely on our own citizens who did not make ukraine happy despite the fact that they were in a very long time and i will add here not for

his own fault in the territory occupied by russia, on his own land, in relation to those people who ended up in the occupation, moreover, then they were behind bars as political prisoners in the pretrial detention center, crimean died, what about other political prisoners? does this mean that their fate itself can befall them. when they need medical help, they will simply be refused and thus they will simply be doomed to die. unfortunately, it turns out that there are many people, especially the elderly, who have chronic diseases . now in a very difficult

situation and this russian system of er punishment er they have such a sleazy service of execution of punishments finn or something similar, they are now er implementing the conditions for the detention of ukrainian citizens of crimean political prisoners, they have become tougher well, they just found out the day before dzhimil gabbarov died, and we consider it a murder. the day before that, he again and again appealed to that area of ​​the administration with complaints that he was very sick. before that, the lawyer wrote letters demanding that he was treated. and on the day of his death, we say the murder of bumblebee gabarov, the lawyer received a response from the prison administration that everything is fine with bumblebee agaparov and he is under permanent

medication, we do not forget that a week before the murder of bumblebee gabarov another one of our citizens was killed. kostyantyn shiringa is a ukrainian . he is accused of being a saboteur. we have a list. meetings with tatyana moskalkova, this is an official of the aggressor country who is allegedly an ombudsman. well, she is a general of the police, that's why i say there

is an ombudsman. the fate of amet suleymanov, he too with a very extensive heart disease and is now awaiting sentencing eh oleksandr sizyfovich this is a completely blind eh a blind man, a young man who is accused of eh terrorism , mr. fata, now the status of temporarily occupied crimea is this autonomous republic and i think we can agree with the fact that since 1991-1992 it was rather a pro-russian autonomy, if informally, then in essence and in spirit , is it necessary to reform this history already and what kind of autonomy should it be, what should be the status of the crimean tatar people in crimea look at the opinion, we have to proceed from several such points, first , de-occupation and reintegration, that is, reintegration

is the return of life in accordance with all ukrainian laws, the restoration of sovereignty and, most importantly, the creation of conditions for this territory after de-occupation to be very strengthened, restored, developed, and the most important thing is that we have an absolute guarantee of non-repetition of what happened in 2014 and we were defeated by any of our neighbors so that the inseparability of crimea as a ukrainian territory is not only was questioned, but it was impossible to take some practical steps without encroaching on this land of ours and it is clear that for this we are absolutely sure of this, we are talking about it, and we need to think again and again

about the transformation of the status of crimea, we absolutely we do not agree with those people who say that it was the autonomous status of crimea that led to such an easy occupation. it did not lead to this. exactly the factors that you said about. i thank you very much for this. in fact, it was the autonomy of ethnic russian of the majority in crimea and they did everything they wanted in order to simply prove it, i will give only one example from the field of education 500,000 ethnic ukrainians lived in crimea on the eve of the occupation and we only had a few schools with the ukrainian language of instruction because all the authorities performed only the vision of the wishes and decisions of those who voted and always voted ethnic majority i am not talking about the situation with the development of the crimean tatar people of the indigenous

people of the peninsula, it is clear that we have to change the essence of this autonomy and have to say very clearly and honestly in what form the crimean tatar people will exercise their right to self-determination as an indigenous people in ukraine on their land and as part of the ukrainian state, and then i think that we will not only find the answer to what crimean autonomy should be, but we will establish those legal norms which, on the one hand, will give the crimean tatars the opportunity to believe that their rights have all been restored, they have decided exactly, on the other hand, they will really provide equal, objectively equal and realistically equal rights to all who live in crimea, but with the exception of these colonists who they have to leave there, and thirdly, they will strengthen the position of the ukrainian state as much as possible in such

a very specific and strategically important corner of the ukrainian land. thank you, mr. referee, for the conversation. yevhen spirin, a journalist and editor-in-chief of the babel publication, is in touch with us actually. evgeny received an invitation to testify in court in gaza regarding the genocide that was staged. russians in buch, congratulations and mr. yevgeny in our etar, and congratulations on this invitation itself, when you have to go there somehow, you have to give those testimonies online and what kind of testimony they want to hear in the gas, here it is important to understand what is happening now, well, in parallel, there are a lot of processes, because there are , hmm, a very large number of different instances, for example, there is an international criminal court , there is an independent international commission created

by the un, there is a gas court and a special court for isolation, which also needs to be created , so it is a little unclear to me now although i have a signed mdi. that is, i cannot disclose what is in it, but i do not understand what exactly they are collecting there, because these processes are ongoing . as far as i understand, commissioners or investigators record violations that were there, for example, encroachment on life , violations of humanitarian law, and so on. in addition, it is necessary to understand that, for example, the commission that i spoke about at the un also records possible crimes from our parties

well, that is, if a civilian could say that, for example, his car was taken away from him or something, then they should also record it , only in such cases, i don’t know , i can’t say what exactly will be in the gas, i still don’t know about leaving, maybe i wo n’t i won't go, i will testify online because it's all very difficult because of a bunch of ministries. requests for everything else and there's almost no time . evgeni. can we already name some number of people who have suffered from war crimes of the russians during the occupation in buch uh everyone's numbers are different. but if we take the total number, then it is more than 500 people and we can multiply the numbers, that is, by their families by their families. and here, too, such a story is important in that there may be nothing wrong, well, if nothing is done normally, because

for example, if you remember the investigation after russia's invasion of georgia lasted 14 years and convicted only three people who have nothing to do with the leadership of russia. therefore, they have great fears that this will happen to us, but as far as i understand now, the process continues very quickly therefore, we hope that everything will be ok can you expect, for example, the families of the dead, executed, shot, and so on , residents of buche, in particular, to be paid at least some reparations , some compensation from the same frozen funds of the assets of the russian federation, and one more direction - this is the international court human affairs, european, he deals with exactly this and as far as we know, our journalist oksana kovalenko is currently in the hague and she deals with all these processes because we document crimes together with

as far as i understand, the international community will deal with human rights here, but the european court. but russia does not recognize this court. how do you know that they are going to send everyone and if it is not a fact that as long as russia exists, someone will pay something. whether europe will pay out of the frozen funds, we cannot yet say. i think that oksana will return and tell what happened there and how it will happen, uh, in buchi, something like hell that the russians arranged there, you uh, were engaged in identifying and helping to get to know people, to keep some e-e record of what with they were and so on, have they all been identified, have all the remains been found by relatives, have they found their lost relatives there, have they all been buried, or are there still those who

are unknown, and so far there are none of the relatives who have remained silent, and it was possible i would like to take some dna material to understand that this is really a relative of this person. no, not everyone is aware. i will tell you the actual numbers now, because i'm sorry, it's necessary to open up, just not everyone is aware , because there were cases when it was impossible to identify the bodies. and there are now a few examples are very similar very sad, let's say so, because at some stages the surnames of people were mixed up, the numbers of the moguls were mixed up. therefore, some processes are still ongoing, for example, there was an exhumation three weeks ago, 4 weeks ago, that is , those who were already buried were dug up, and there relatives did

research there and then reburied them. it seems if i'm not mistaken, eh, i can't name the number exactly, there were 17 people who were not identified, they all buried eh, if we talk about exhumation, then it is a separate process, the city council is dealing with it now, and i think they know more about it did any of those ukrainian residents of buch who managed to escape and found themselves abroad, then recovered, turn to you? well, they began to ask what happened to their relatives, well , i don't know about abroad, there were those who, for example, this is such a large community, we remember that buch irpin there and all other nearby cities, they were once different there, why , for example, buchansk, irpinsky well, the irpinsky hospital is located in bucha, because it is there enter after unification and reform, that's why there were relatives who,

for example, stayed behind the circle of this hell and then they could not find out what happened to their relatives. relatives who, for example, left there even before the 24th, some went to lviv, some went to uzhgorod. well, because they probably either read the news or felt something, that's why they also didn't know about abroad, i can't say anything like that we didn't have one. well, we talked about it even earlier. i know that you also took care of this interesting topic from the very beginning. after the release , there was such a spiritual movement , let's say, to somehow mobilize and immortalize the memory of those who died as everyone now business. what does the city government think about this? are these things that can be taken care of and it will be done in a calmer time, er, it was somehow done with a cold mind

. yes, i will give you a specific number now. er, of them, 116 were those in two trenches near the territory of the temple, well , on the territory of the temple, er, regarding the memorial, we have a very complicated history with him with the electronic memorial . because i deal with them, if you know, i think you know uh, there were several interactive services which we all used, it is not secret for whom until the 24th, it was tilda and tilda's resume is a russian development, the resume was also russian, but it was bought out now, if it were already them, well, let's say it, i don't like these words, but there's no other way to say it. to be used in contrast to that in our country. almost in the final layout, on friday we agree on all the inaccuracies. today i need to clarify the text by numbers. i think that in a week or two we will come up with

it. and what about the memorial physical well, for now i don't know, because that's what he does. i think that the council, that is, under the patronage, there is a hand everywhere, or who is doing it, that is , the heads of the projects. these are some donor funds to do this, but so far i don't know anything about this work and we hope that the testimony you will later give to the court in gas will play an important role and in the end those who committed those atrocities in buchi will be punished not only those who committed it's all with your own hands, but also those who these criminal orders were given by yevhen spirin, a journalist and editor-in-chief of the babel publication, who was invited to give evidence in gaza

. he was in touch with us there. he has to testify about what happened in buche. well, now let's talk a little about the protection of soldiers returning from the war where they lose their limbs and their health and then have to prove that they are not quite capable of either fighting or, in principle, leading a full life because of the fact that they lost their health. center for the military under the name of the principle and there are already thousands of people in the queue for this center. they don't eat a lawyer and a veteran of the russian-ukrainian war . we will contact him now. people turn to him with war stories . julia davis, who works

as an american journalist and a politician who monitors russian propagandists, collected such a very funny selection in one issue, solovyov begins to get angry at everything and endlessly, then the whole episode screams and that's all he doesn't like is that everyone hugs zelenskyi, he 's scary and the bike and who is this zelenskyi, what have i done in my life, then he started to get angry that no one is watching him , that only he is being watched 244 some kind of hollowness, that squeal, so he started to shout, too, from all that, well, solovyov, it’s not so easy, and he probably upset his son , he turned out to be some kind of uncool , squeaky, doesn’t want to fight in his so-called a wants to be a model with painted nails pictures with painted hair well, in fact, i don't think that this is any surprise for solovyov himself, who managed

to rebuild all kinds of hiv in spain and lived very well before the war, in fact , he lost a lot well, but for him, too , there is no way back, there is only one way forward to europe what a joke to him, he understands it himself, he even says about it, "whagu" or "foot forward" lawyers, a veteran of the russian-ukrainian war, let's include him in our conversation, we welcome him on our airwaves , in some panel, e-e, i wish you health. oh, we hear you we see you, mr. messiah, you created an organization such a human rights center for military principles, what actually happened there, i don’t know