[000:00:00;00] to the maximum e-e maximum such conciliatory e conciliatory rhetoric, but it should be remembered that china and india and other countries from this region and in most cases consider ukraine as a kind of imperial project of imperialism to destroy the great russia, and from these positions it is also necessary to understand all these all their considerations, even the situation when they are grazing, it is possible that they secretly support the mask. began to treat all these russian actions in central europe more harshly, fearing that they threaten chinese

economic interests. well, for now, this will be the decision of one city . we were talking about this story once and brought a report for approval or an introduction about the state of the russian army and he wrote there that all this is not true. and the awareness of the classics - classic ideas about how the world should be built in this part of the hemisphere a-a it will obviously hinder the chinese in steel, such ideas will hinder the chinese from changing and changing and well, in my opinion, everyone in this sense is quite a conservative politician, that is , he is not ready to change and his entire policy is becoming more and more conservative and china is becoming more conservative, that is, it is hardly possible expect some serious

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negotiate weapons and ask for support. strengthened. does it still have some deeper meaning? i think that the main meaning of the president's activity in general during this year, and this is an important part of his work, is to maintain the world's interest in helping ukraine. what else can the president do in a situation when, in fact, the survival of the state depends on the armed forces and the armed forces depend on foreign aid, but we have to realize a simple thing : public interest in ukraine is related to the president's virtual speeches in the parliaments and what the russians are doing barbarians on our land, that is why we have seen it many times. i will say that even in 2014, if the russians had not destroyed this plane, a small business . i think that there were no such sanctions that will be introduced against the russian federation. because the russian federation has demonstrated to the world its readiness for any barbaric acts. actions when it comes to her political interests, and here too. we

understand very well that when people learned about the terror in buchi, about the torture in izyum, about the bombing of the maternity hospital in mariupol , all this led to the fact that the western social she usually turned to that idea. help them overcome this danger. russia is a real danger, but over time, when the war usually acquires its routine character , the situation in curiosity about what is happening becomes less. people live with their problems. they cannot live with the russian-ukrainian war all the time. there are no new such big crimes , there are no new flows of refugees, they are going to positional battles somewhere in the donbass and in the south of ukraine in places that

do not mean anything to any ukrainian, no european anything, unknown geographical names their own economic and social problems are beginning to come to the fore, which are getting worse every day and will continue to get worse, and therefore the question naturally arises, can they come to an agreement there if they still cannot overcome each other ? and how many more people will they lose there ? to sacrifice the territories and not to fight further , especially since you understand that when volodymyr zelensky was planning his trip to london, paris and brussels, he certainly could not have imagined that such a huge thing would happen an earthquake in turkey with so many victims and of course on the front pages of the world media the first lines of news what to see if there was a russian-ukrainian war before, if you opened the newspaper in the morning, you saw that without purely russians, if you turned on the informative news channel, what did you see, the patriarchy of the russians, and

what did you you see, now a turk is of course and in this situation it is very convenient in the end to do what many in the civilized world would like to postpone the ukrainian topic somewhere on the second or third plan to do much more urgent problems to think about how to come to an agreement with russia , etc. when the president himself appears, it is not a virtual reality as a reminder that the ukrainian people are ready to fight, it is first of all europe , one must understand that the visit to london is a courtesy visit simply connected with the fact that great britain left from the european union, if the british were in the european union in the first place and our position was much more important in europe and there was no need to fly to london because the prime minister of great britain would most likely be in paris or the president france and the chancellor of germany were in london and it could have been any one place. it was possible not to visit, but

what happened happened, this huge political mistake of the british people happened. now britain is in the biggest political and economic crisis in the post-war decades , we don't know how it is will come out of that crisis or will it come out whole, i hope that it will come out whole, will return to the european union and that this huge mistake of the british populists will be overcome by the people themselves at the very least, even at the cost of the most severe economic of political victims in the history of britain, this is already such a textbook story, when you vote for populists, you get a disaster, but it is clear that the president of ukraine had to appear there . great britain is trying to do everything it can, it can't do much. union speech in the european parliament meetings with european leaders it became clear who is who behavior let's say the same viktor orban and this is such an important moment in

order to increase interest because this the visit is again on the front pages of the western media, and i think that when president biden arrives in europe on the anniversary of the war, it has already been announced, and it is not for nothing that president biden is just as interested in keeping this topic in the center of attention as president zelensky was. he is ready to fly to poland to support this interest because what putin is counting on is that sooner or later this interest will subside and simply means it didn't work out in three days it will work out in 3 months it didn't work out in three months it will work out in three years it didn't work out in three years it will work out for 13 years ago that putin's simple idea is to outlast them all. he has already outlasted many of his enemies, the democracies of the president and the prime ministers change, even the federal cash gala merkel has already gone into political retirement and

putin is and is going to be the president of russia nominally until 2036, but i think that if he lives until 2006, russian legislation will be changed in such a way as to give him the opportunity to die in the chair of the head of the russian federation. why should he then think that he does not have time, he has a large time gap to destroy the civilized world of ukraine well, what is he counting on? yes, but we have to do everything, he was running out of time and what is the secret of this success . the first is the intensive supply of western weapons . the second is the strengthening of western sanctions. that sooner or later ukraine simply cannot stand it , but if ukraine receives western weapons and economic financial aid from the west, the west will also demand the reform of the ukrainian state, then putin can fight and spend as much as he wants

he will also run out of his own resources in the end, some china will not give him money, and the west should also adjust to such a long-term, multi-year session of aid to ukraine, but in order for it to be so , zelensky should talk to the europeans, this is logical but it is interesting about weapons about fighter jets we already mentioned today well, we are interested in long-range long-range missiles first of all . they say it was solved with a weapon. and in an hour i already wrote that it can be solved, that is, i edited my message, so what is this connected with

? vitali, some caution. in ukraine, for the last three years, they worked in such a sector where the importance of words is not enforced in the original genre, in the entertainment genre, you can say anything and it should just be liked by the public , and therefore the attitude towards words is enough. i would say well, i would say this lightly, this is evident from all the statements of everyone, and in politics, every word is important because a careless spoken word can result in the death of tens of thousands, if not millions of people, disasters, wars , crises, lack of responsibility for words this is a lack of responsibility for human life and therefore it is so important that professional politicians know how to use their words professionally , and that is why i always say that only professionalism in politics can protect nations from failures

, crises and disasters, and we have always seen what if anyone made careless statements, then there would be signs that even previously adopted decisions were turned into them. i think that the head of the president's office, as a person who is present at the negotiations and a person who cheers for the fighter jets to be just, well , that or share the prices with his impressions with a large audience, and then it became obvious that we need to be more careful about this topic, what we see . this is what people learn about responsibility, they all learn from the top of the ukrainian government, from the first person to the last, because maybe someday they will learn, maybe they will not learn

, this is the same skill - to a certain extent, the tail of handling the word. they say we can use missiles to attack russian bases in crimea on our territory , which is temporarily occupied by the russian federation , and the british prime minister was just commenting on this topic and, uh, he said that well, uh i will not quote, but i insisted that ukraine can do it and it will be such a precedent from the west that we will start providing such weapons to ukraine and we will not even be against so that they destroy russian objects e p vitaly if we are not talking about a fighter long-range weapons, if britain said it, they probably won’t give it, they can say it: don’t provide it, and someone can provide it and not say it, it ’s such a thing. it seems to me that until this moment , london still fulfilled its promises. and

this is so unexpected about long-range weapons, it there will be a collective decision without the agreement of the united states of great britain will do nothing about it because everyone will perfectly understand that the responsibility will be borne by the united states and the president of the united states must clearly tell the prime minister of great britain that they will be together if russia takes any step the answer we we don't know what step it will take, that's what holds us back from such a decision. i think it's absolutely correct to talk about what we feel is probably schizophrenia, schizophrenia is related to that the west, on the one hand, believes that russia is waging a war on the territory of ukraine, on the other hand, for completely incomprehensible reasons, believes that ukraine cannot be responsible for russia 's supply of western weapons, although the west participates, it supplies weapons, this is what this russian propagandist yakov said at one time

kedmi, who for a long time there disguised himself as an israeli official, that the soviet union supplied weapons to egypt, but no one noticed that the soviet union was participating in the war. and what did egypt, syria, and jordan do with this soviet with weapons they fought with israel, they fired at nothing, and this is also where israel responded to egypt with these weapons, which were supplied to it first there, germany, then france, great britain immediately with germany, then the united states and egypt did not say, you know what a horror they are fighting with the weapons of the united states, we will there is absolutely no logic in fighting with the united states. you gave the weapon, and the army that you gave the weapon has a clear understanding of how to dispose of this weapon if it wants to destroy the enemy's military object, it does not have let me know you know this object here this object here and this object here further if you are really afraid of russia and the russian response

then you have to understand for yourself that if you say that it is possible to strike in the crimea in donetsk luhansk kherson zaporizhzhia regions, from the point of view of russia, it is the same territory of russia as the kursk, belgorod , voronovsk, or moscow regions , there is no difference, there is a constitution of the russian federation or you trust this constitution and then you say to the ukrainians, but god forbid any weapons cannot go where there is the territory of the russian federation from putin's point of view. because putin will answer to us . and if you say, you know there are three types of territories, there is ukrainian territory on it, you can do whatever you want, your territory is occupied, which is russia considers it yours and you can do whatever you want there, and there is a territory that we recognize as the territory of russia, nothing can be done there, but i

apologize. can not to carry out any hostilities on the territory of the donetsk region, it is absolutely obvious that it is not possible to enter the regional center of the russian federation kherson with western tanks or vehicles of western weapons, because in fact western weapons are in the regional center of the russian federation. what is the difference in kherson or in kursk, i do not understand and if you think that it is possible to go to kherson, then why not to belgorod , which i mean, well, well, once again i say this is pure schizophrenia because if we believe that the president of russia can launch a nuclear attack on the territory of ukraine if the ukrainians will act on the territory of the russian federation, then it must be clearly stated that they are already acting so he would have already done it and he would have either already done it or can do it, everything has already been done by the russians - ukrainian troops occupied, from the russian point of view, the regional center of russia

he has many reasons if it is only a matter of wishful thinking, if we believe that a nuclear catastrophe can happen, then it is inevitable, nothing more needs to be done, we can no longer go anywhere if we believe that putin is not going to use nuclear weapons, i want to convince you that because of that, you are destroying russian military facilities on the territory of novaya kakhovka, which is, from the point of view of russia, the regional center of the russian federation , or on the territory of the bryansk or kursk regions, nothing has changed, that is, the west must tell itself that it these red lines have already been crossed, that there are already possibilities of applying the russian nuclear doctrine, that there are possibilities to decide where this doctrine will be implemented in ukraine or against the west itself , because it is a western weapon on russian soil

, damn it already is. you must either calm down or say and give weapons and say that i can say anywhere or do something else or say we are very sorry but let's quickly withdraw all our troops, at least those who have western weapons from the donetsk luhansk kherson zaporizhzhia regions, if you want to fight there, uh, do what you want with your weapons yours, but ours , please don’t do this, defend the territory that the russians consider their own. tomorrow, of course, russia can calmly convene the state duma of the federation council and accept all ukrainian regions and all belarusian regions with a great deal of confidence. from the point of view of how you do it, they do it, they can accept the primorsky voivodeship of poland tomorrow, organize a virtual referendum in the kaliningrad region and say, you know, in gdańsk, 80% of citizens want to join the kaliningrad region, and what are we going to do about it , the same do you understand the same nonsense, but they

do that all the time, that's what they do in the constitution of russia prohibits the annexation of the territory of other states ; the constitution of russia prohibits the international obligations of russia. it is possible to change higher than the national legislation of the russian federation, who is interested in moscow , well less so, unfortunately, before this new offensive that everyone is talking about, and the russian army will not have time for us. i understand that to provide weapons even if they have a great desire because even leopards especially the first series we are promised as early as the summer in germany, and because there are more of them there than the leopards of the second modification were offered, but we are waiting, we need it now, the president also went for this, but there is another topic that is actively

the president discussed with the representatives of the european union this topic of our membership in the eu, and the president, you and i recently discussed the statement of prime minister denisaj magel that in two years ukraine will be in the eu, then shmagal explained that he meant inferior membership that in two years we will already prepare, fully implement the legislation and complete the reforms, but our president volodymyr zelenskyi also repeated this thesis and said that in two years we will be in the eu even after the victory over the russian federation we will be in nato, it is still wishful thinking. i think that the president just wanted this. we must clearly understand how the european integration of ukraine will take place. first of all, we need to reach a situation when we will be told that our candidate status is accepted. we fulfilled all the conditions according to the results of the last summit of ukraine and the european union, this did not happen. i hope that this will not happen in 2023. yes

, in 2024, then there should be an audit of ukrainian legislation for compliance with european legislation before the start of victory. i hope that it usually takes 1-2 years for this to be audited in europe. i hope that in our situation the european commission can move faster, this is a political issue. the will to this legislation will hopefully be there by the 25-26th year. there should be negotiations, the negotiations are related to the fact that ukraine should close all certain sections of the legislation on each of these sections, which are related to the compliance of certain laws and reforms of ours with the legislative norms of the european union, i have to tell you that we we cannot do it ourselves i am interested in the fact that this happened in two years. i can explain why . because, let's say, poland wavered in these negotiations, she demanded

that she be given subsidies for the development of her own agriculture, because she said that if she enters the european union, she will accept all the norms there about the production of agricultural products . which exist in the european union and farming farms will simply die because it will turn out to be completely uncompetitive able to go to meetings in poland and farmers were allocated subsidies postponed certain implementation of certain decisions there for years, and so poland kept its legislation, it is its agriculture, if we go the other way, we can absolutely lose it immediately after joining the european union , prices will rise, competitiveness will be destroyed. that is , we need to grow economically to the european union in order to to be there or not to develop some of our facts, we need money to give us money , let's say to the farmers and the farming industry

for the first period, and we have to say it we will comply with these norms, they will live according to these laws, but you, let's give money so that they do not go bankrupt, that is, create a background for this and this is a serious issue and it will not be easy, but i remember this famous story when poland joined the european union and journalists with laughter, it wasn't funny, in fact, they ran with the counter, staring blankly - there is an increase in raw milk in poland, why is germany there, there is a price for raw milk, vadim, a beautiful day , the economic border between germany and poland is disappearing, and german milk producers can to buy milk at a lower price than in germany, in the border voivodships of poland, they usually flee there, the price of milk starts

to rise in these border bicycles because these polish producers say, oh, well, there is a great demand. that is, we paid, relatively speaking, 50 cents for i don't know how much 10 liters is there. maybe even though i don't know these prices, i'm saying it in a conditional way. well, now i can sell for 50 euros in germany - that's 2 euros, well, we'll make 50 euros in two months, the price in these border voivodships already two euros and the german manufacturer says well, well, i will move my refrigerator to the next polish voivodship and so on to the east of lublin, but tell me, please. and what is happening in this situation with polish enterprises ?

they are used to buying it for 50 cents, but suddenly they are forced to buy it for two euros, and in this way, all their products suddenly increase in price several times, and the polish consumer is used to such prices, and the german factory nearby can afford deping because it is more companies that can invest more, they have opportunities and they can buy for two euros , and at the same time continue to act exactly as they acted in the previous situation, the truth is that selling products at a lower price and of course the polish manufacturer says well, we need to close everything like this but in order for this not to happen, a subsidy needs to be made, and this is what i have done , one tiny tiny example, but there are so many of these examples when it comes to the economy, so in principle, it is necessary to understand that

the negotiated process can take from 5 to 10 years, another important moment for the negotiations to begin, i will keep track, it is important, we recently talked about this with the former prime minister of lithuania, the backstage address , it is necessary that all the member states of the european union give their consent to them, the republic of macedonia was a candidate for the doctrine of the european union in 2014, the negotiations began a transgressive european until the european union 2022 not through its own fault, but because, in principle , greece would have been tortured at first because they wanted the republic in the northern border to change its name constitutionally, then when it changed the name bulgaria suddenly started to pop up, that's why they said we like the way you interpret your history, which is absolutely wild, but that's how it is . i think that when we see the handshake of viktor orban and volodymyr zelenskyi, we

should realize that viktor is elected, that he will remain the prime minister - as a minister in hungary, he will definitely say, you know, we are ready to help the european integration of ukraine, but first let ukraine change the law on education . we are ready to create a commission, we will talk together , and when will you see the law on education approved by the ukrainian parliament, we will be able to give the go-ahead, and this is not a joke, because the eyes. well, no matter how long i wait, i do not allow the ukraine nato commission to be held at the ministerial level. it is possible there, but in the negotiations you cannot avoid it, i think that we should go. compromises will have to be made or the west will have to hold some kind of negotiations with hungary or there will be bulgaria and north macedonia to compromises and

france has developed a mechanism which with great scandal managed to be pushed through the bulgarian macedonian parliaments and it no one liked it, but since it was the will of the great powers of the european union, and bulgaria also receives huge money from it, then they, well, this mechanism, we will create a commission of historians for this, it was necessary to make changes to the constitution of north macedonia that negotiations began to recognize the bulgarians as a national minority in macedonia for what did you understand that the main idea of ​​the republic of macedonia from the moment and in the northern calendar from the moment it appeared as part of yugoslavia in the 45th year was that no bulgarians live there there are none there, but in bulgaria, instead, there is a macedonian national minority, which the bulgarians do not recognize, this is the official concept of the nation in pirian macedonia, there are macedonians in bulgaria, and in our part of north